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Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
You create some interesting topics, Cindy. This is one of the two best Messiah prophecies, as far as I can tell. I actually see now that I wanted to create this same thread. I had a file about it ready to go and everything.
Here is how my thread would have started:
STOP!
This thread is about DANIEL 9:24-27 ONLY!
If it is not connected to this scripture, if it is quibbling about the trinity or evolution or anything other than DANIEL 9:24-27, please post it somewhere else….please.
This thread is ONLY ABOUT what this scripture does say and how it’s understood in connection with other scriptures.
“MESSIAH THE LEADER”
DANIEL 9:24-27I have a question to start us off:
WHY WERE THEY IN EXPECTATION OF THE MESSIAH AT THAT TIME?
LUKE 3:1,15
“In the fifteenth year of the reign of Ti·béri·us Caesar, [29 C.E.] when Pontius Pilate was governor of Ju·déa, and Herod was district ruler of Gaĺi·lee, but Philip his brother was district ruler of the country of It·u·raéa and Trach·o·nítis, and Ly·sáni·as was district ruler of Ab·i·léne, . . . . the people were in expectation and all were reasoning in their hearts about John: “May he perhaps be the Christ?”Do you think they could have used that prophecy in Daniel to point to their time, when the Messiah would arrive?
(Messiah, meaning “anointed one” and he becoming the Messiah at his baptism.)To ?
The question was, does any one know what the 70 weeks foretold, besides the anointing of the Messiah?
Or should I ask, does any one care?Georg
“Or should I ask, does any one care?”–Cindy
The Jews cared. They cared a lot. History and not just the Bible show that many Jews were in expectation of the Messiah around the time that Jesus was annointed.
But, this Messiah was not what they wanted or expected. They wanted liberation from the yoke of Rome. They wanted to be kings, and now.
This Jesus was hated, despised, and killed. While the Jews would have certainly looked to the prophecy in Danial with great anticipation, the result was nothing like they imagined.
Jewish scholar Abba Hillel Silver wrote that according to “the popular chronology” of the day, “the Messiah was expected around the second quarter of the first century C.E.”—-A History of Messianic Speculation in Israel, Rabbi Abba Hillel Silver, 1927, Macmillan Co., pg 5-7
(Jesus of course did not become “messiah” [annointed one] until he was “annointed,” by Jehovah with holy spirit, being baptised in the Jordan, the holy spirit coming down upon him. John’s ministry prepared repentant Jews to accept the coming of the Messiah. Jehovah gave John a sign. He was to look out for one “upon whom [he would] see the spirit coming down and remaining.” (John 1:33) After baptizing Jesus, John saw this unmistakable anointing. Jesus was not anointed with oil, but God “anointed him with holy spirit and power.” (Acts 10:38) Thus, he became the anointed one, or “messiah.”)
Here is the full quote:
“Prior to the first century (C.E.) the Messianic interest was not excessive…The First Century, however, especially the generation before the destruction [of the Second Temple] witnessed a remarkable outburst of Messianic emotionalism. This is to be attributed, as we shall see, not to an intensification of Roman persecution, but to the prevalent belief induced by the popular chronology of that day that the age was on the threshold of the Millennium…when Jesus came into Galilee, 'spreading the gospel of the kingdom of God and saying the 'time is fulfilled' and the Kingdom of God is at hand,' he was voicing the opinion universally held that…the age of the kingdom of God-was at hand…it was this chronological fact which inflamed the Messianic hope rather than the Roman persecutions…Jesus appeared in the procuratorship of Pontius Pilate (26-36 c.e.)…It seems likely, therefore, that in the minds of the people the Millennium was to begin around the year 30 C.E. Be it remembered that it is not the Messiah who brings about the Millennium. It is the inevitable advent of the Millennium which carries along with it the Messiah and his appointed activities. The Messiah was expected around the second quarter of the First Century C.E. because the Millennium was at hand. Prior to that time he was not expected, because according to the chronology of the day the Millennium was still considerably removed.”I'm not sure this millenium belief is why the Jews were in expectation. But, at that time, expectation was high.
Roman historians Tacitus and Suetonius, Jewish historian Josephus, and Jewish philosopher Philo all lived near this time and testified to this state of expectation.And of course, the Bible does as well:
LUKE 3:1,15
“In the fifteenth year of the reign of Ti·béri·us Caesar, [29 C.E.] when Pontius Pilate was governor of Ju·déa, and Herod was district ruler of Gaĺi·lee, but Philip his brother was district ruler of the country of It·u·raéa and Trach·o·nítis, and Ly·sáni·as was district ruler of Ab·i·léne, . . . . the people were in expectation and all were reasoning in their hearts about John: “May he perhaps be the Christ?”I THINK THE ONLY POSSIBLE REASON FOR THIS EXPECTATION WAS THE PROPHECY IN DANIEL. AND THIS MAKES SENSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE PROPHECY SAYS.
So we should look at this question of Cindy's:
Quote The question was, does any one know what the 70 weeks foretold, besides the anointing of the Messiah? Hi david
The 70 weeks was a twofold prophecy. One, the coming, and anointing of the Messiah.
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks:…
This shows that by the end of 69 weeks, Jesus was baptized, and anointed with the Holy Spirit. His ministry began immediately after his baptism, the last week # 70. That is what verse 27 speaks of.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,…
Jesus preached (confirmed) the new covenant all over Judea, after 3 and a 1/2 years he was cut off. His death caused the old covenant sacrifices, and oblations to cease.
However, at the beginning of his ministry, Jesus gave his disciples this command.Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.Not until the end of the seventieth week, was Peter given to understand the reason of Christs command, and what he meant by saying.
Jhn 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Peter was called to Cornelius house, and the vision he had had on the housetop became clear to him.
Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.That is the other prophecy of the 70 weeks, the giving of the Holy Spirit to none Jews.
It is most unfortunate that ministers don't understand that, and claim Dan. 9:27 speaks of the seven year tribulation of Antichrist.Georg
That's very interesting Cindy. What is your interpretation of the Abomination that causes Desolation?
He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' [j] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.
JG
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
This is how my bible reads.
Jesus confirmed (preached) the new covenant to many (all over Judea) for one week, seven years, only he was cut off in the middle of the week, 3 and a 1/2 years; his disciples finished preaching the gospel the rest of the week.
The reason, look at Mat. 10:5,6 above.
Christs sacrifice put an end to all other sacrifices.Hbr. 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
The abomination that caused the desolation, destroyed the true meaning of Christs sacrifice, was the setting up of the Catholic church Mass sacrifice, in the early 3rd Century. The Catholic church teaches that, first you have to confess your sins to a priest, a man, and than you have take communion, which represents the literal body and blood of Christ, it is through this offering of the body of Christ, your sins are forgiven.
As you can see, this abomination is still going on, and it will until the end.Georg
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