Criticism of Muhammad

[TimothyVI]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 28 2010,08:01)

Actually I can answer this in two ways 1. In speaking to a Host of others about something being done it is perfectly normal for someone to say for instance “hey Tim we've Got to get something to eat” does not mean tim will participate in the getting or cooking of the food. 2. The angels could have very well participated in some way just like in the example above, Tim could have ordered up the food by phone and I went to get it. Further it could be said as in win a boxer wins a fight and says “we really trained hard for this” The Bible also says Let us go down and confuse their language so God could have instructed certain angels to do certain things just as the angel stood in front of the tree of life with a flaming sword or the angel that came to Mary to inform her of the event and conception of Jesus

Hi Bod,

while your examples do not accurately address my question about what God said,
I do appreciate your attempt at answering in a patient and civil manner.

If only you and I were present and you said “We've got to get something to eat”
I would assuredly assume that I was going to participate in the getting and the eating.
If you and someone else was standing there when that was said, I would think that possibly you meant you and the other person.

If a boxer said “we really trained hard” he is obviously talking about him and others that trained hard. I would expect him to say I really trained hard though.

The inference in the bible appears as though God was talking about himself and some other gods.

Tim

[Stu]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 28 2010,03:54)

Quote (Stu @ July 27 2010,22:16) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 27 2010,03:29) Quote (Stu @ July 26 2010,22:14) Fortunately English does not suffer that deficiency. You can say “Which of the allahs do you mean?” What have you done with all those other gods believed in by the polytheists BD?  Have you wished them out of existence? Stuart There are no other gods nor were there any other gods, there has only been God So you are just asserting that either or both of Jupiter and Diana just don't exist. That is what I have been telling you about your god all along.  Who is to say your assertion has any more validity than mine? Stuart I'm not saying anything about your assertion but it is simply a matter of definition God is THE SUPREME BEING and there is ONLY ONE. ALLAH simply means “THE GOD” Jupiter and Zeuss and others like them never made the assertion that they were God nor did they have any dealings reported as historical but those who believed in Jupiter or Zeuss wourshiped God according to their own understanding which may have had some basis in reality. There are no “gods” (except the God of Abraham) that have said “I AM GOD and there is no other GOD” if there was a competing claim you would have a point but the other “gods” have never spoke for themselves or have been even reported having done so. So I am not saying that all the “gods” of myth and legend don't exist I am saying that these were attempts at understanding God Almighty

So you are asserting that those other gods can exist, but they just aren't your ONE god?

We have no evidence that your god has claimed to be the only god, the supreme being that is most supremely loving, kind, violent and murderous. All we have is records of humans asserting it, like you have done. What is wrong with my assertion that there is no such thing as any god? All you or I is doing is asserting. Why is my assertion wrong and yours right? Because you can imagine this being and therefore it exists?

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 28 2010,16:11)

Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,15:59) Quote (Stu @ July 27 2010,22:16) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 27 2010,03:29) Quote (Stu @ July 26 2010,22:14) Fortunately English does not suffer that deficiency. You can say “Which of the allahs do you mean?” What have you done with all those other gods believed in by the polytheists BD?  Have you wished them out of existence? Stuart There are no other gods nor were there any other gods, there has only been God So you are just asserting that either or both of Jupiter and Diana just don't exist. That is what I have been telling you about your god all along.  Who is to say your assertion has any more validity than mine? Stuart Hi Stuart, BD's god exists all right, but he's satan! (2cor.4:3-4) That is why he(allah) will be destroyed! (Jer.10:11) Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Your ignorance and lack of knowledge is astounding. Why is it you never have evidence?

We might ask you the same question.

Stuart

[bodhitharta]

Quote (TimothyVI @ July 28 2010,21:00)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 28 2010,08:01) Actually I can answer this in two ways 1. In speaking to a Host of others about something being done it is perfectly normal for someone to say for instance “hey Tim we've Got to get something to eat” does not mean tim will participate in the getting or cooking of the food. 2. The angels could have very well participated in some way just like in the example above, Tim could have ordered up the food by phone and I went to get it. Further it could be said as in win a boxer wins a fight and says “we really trained hard for this” The Bible also says Let us go down and confuse their language so God could have instructed certain angels to do certain things just as the angel stood in front of the tree of life with a flaming sword or the angel that came to Mary to inform her of the event and conception of Jesus Hi Bod, while your examples do not accurately address my question about what God said, I do appreciate your attempt at answering in a patient and civil manner. If only you and I were present and you said “We've got to get something to eat” I would assuredly assume that I was going to participate in the getting and the eating. If you and someone else was standing there when that was said, I would think that possibly you meant you and the other person. If a boxer said “we really trained hard” he is obviously talking about him and others that trained hard. I would expect him to say I really trained hard though. The inference in the bible appears as though God was talking about himself and some other gods. Tim

Thanks tim,

The inference seems to me would simply be that God was talking around or to other beings there being no indication or inference that there were other “gods” present.

The reason why I take this position is because the scripture said “God said, let us” and not “let us gods”

Back to the CEO example if a leader says “Let us” it is not the same as inferring that all he is speaking to are leaders also.

If on a team The Coach says “Let's go out there and win this game” it does not infer that the coach is talking to coaches but he is speaking to those he is a coach over.

In the Quran this episode is recorded as such:

Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: “I will create a vicegerent on earth.” They said: “Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?” He said: “I know what ye know not.”
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #30)

So according to the Quran God was already speaking to the angels

but the term “WE” is still used again when talking to the angels

34 And behold, We said to the angels: “Bow down to Adam” and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: and He was of those who reject Faith.

So once again we have either a “Royal” we or perhaps another order of communication such as Arch angels.

My point is there is no real reason to believe that “gods” were involved when there are so many possibilities and the scriptures themselves say that there being more than ONE GOD is not one of those possibilities.

God Bless

[TimothyVI]

Hi Bod,
I have to agree that many of your points are well taken.

However, God said “let us make man in our image, after our likeness “.
So what you are telling me is that whoever he was talking to was also
the very image of god and the very likeness of god, but was not a god?

I guess that I have always believed that if it looked like a duck and waddled like a duck and quacked like a duck, then it was probably a duck.

Tim

[bodhitharta]

Quote (TimothyVI @ July 29 2010,04:43)

Hi Bod, I have to agree that many of your points are well taken. However, God said “let us make man in our image, after our likeness “. So what you are telling me is that whoever he was talking to was also the very image of god and the very likeness of god, but was not a god? I guess that I have always believed that if it looked like a duck and waddled like a duck and quacked like a duck, then it was probably a duck. Tim

Lol,

Point taken, However if the issue was a matter of degree then it would not equate, 100 children don't equal a single parent, 100 firemen don't equal a fire Marshall and 100 congressmen don't equal a president.

[Ed J]

Hi Everybody,

100 lies from the quran, don't equal one “Bible Truth”=117 either! (Click Here for more on this) <– Last Post on Page!

2Cor.11:3-5 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent(allah) beguiled Eve through his subtilty,
so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he(the serpent) that
cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which
ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye(BD) might well bear with Lucifer
(Gal.1:6-9 / 2Cor.4:3-4). For I suppose I(Shaool) was not a whit behind(Peter) the very chiefest apostles.

BD does not believe “The Bible”=63 is The Word of “YHVH”=63!
The Apostle Paul (according to Asana bodhitharta) is a false Apostle.
This is because Asana bodhitharta has deleted his mind with the teachings
of Lucifer from Lucifer's “Book of fraud'(the quran). Babylon = quran (Rev.18:2)

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ July 29 2010,17:56)

Hi Everybody, 100 lies from the quran, don't equal one “Bible Truth”=117 either! (Click Here for more on this) <– Last Post on Page! 2Cor.11:3-5 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent(allah) beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he(the serpent) that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye(BD) might well bear with Lucifer (Gal.1:6-9 / 2Cor.4:3-4). For I suppose I(Shaool) was not a whit behind(Peter) the very chiefest apostles. BD does not believe “The Bible”=63 is The Word of “YHVH”=63! The Apostle Paul (according to Asana bodhitharta) is a false Apostle. This is because Asana bodhitharta has deleted his mind with the teachings of Lucifer from Lucifer's “Book of fraud'(the quran). Babylon = quran (Rev.18:2) Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)

I keep wondering ed why do you feel so comfortable inserting things in the scripture, do you not feel the scripture is capable of making a point without your help?

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:17-19

[SimplyForgiven]

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[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 21 2010,22:49)

Bod,

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I dodn't mess up the answer but you refuse to see the simplicity of the answer which is Whoever God chooses who am I to be concerned about their Character?

The simpilicity is why would you follow such a character that is not of God, when it depends whether Gods character is demonstrated within the subjects life. and if Gods character is not found in such a person you turn away.

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It's just like Paul if I believe that God sent Paul to the gentiles do you think that would mean he hadn't done things that some or most would not find objectional?

HE DID THINGS BEFORE HE KNEW GOD, NOT AFTER! THATS WHAT IM QUESTIONING!

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So, I am not confused at all but I do believe that you are confused since you would have no better judge of Character than I concerning historical figures that neither one of us has ACTUAL personal knowledge of

than you shouldnt believe at all.

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We don't even have the capacity to judge each others character and what we reflect on a forum is only a facet of who we are, but from what I see of that facet you seem like a wonderful person who is quite interesting, emotional and curious but I can't say with certainty that my estimation would carry over into your daily life.

ITS NOT ABOUT JUDGEING BUT WHETHER FOLLOWING!! ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO FOLLOW THE WRITING OF THIS MAN OR NOT BASED ON HIS CHARACTHER! WHEN WE PREACH WILL PEOPLE CONTINUE FOLLOW IF YOU LIVE A DECEITFUL LIFE?

Your trying to excuse the idea of mohammed being flawed.
and i already caught you.

i know that your not even sure, because if you were sure, you wouldnt have answred in two oppoiste ways.

[Ed J]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 02 2010,20:48)

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Hi SF,

                     Babylon = quran
Blah = 'i am'; BD's god Lucifer and his 'book of fraud'(quran)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

[bodhitharta]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 02 2010,20:53)

bodhitharta,July wrote: [/quote] Bod, Quote I dodn't mess up the answer but you refuse to see the simplicity of the answer which is Whoever God chooses who am I to be concerned about their Character? The simpilicity is why would you follow such a character that is not of God, when it depends whether Gods character is demonstrated within the subjects life.  and if Gods character is not found in such a person you turn away.   Quote It's just like Paul if I believe that God sent Paul to the gentiles do you think that would mean he hadn't done things that some or most would not find objectional? HE DID THINGS BEFORE HE KNEW GOD, NOT AFTER! THATS WHAT IM QUESTIONING! Quote So, I am not confused at all but I do believe that you are confused since you would have no better judge of Character than I concerning historical figures that neither one of us has ACTUAL personal knowledge of than you shouldnt believe at all. Quote We don't even have the capacity to judge each others character and what we reflect on a forum is only a facet of who we are, but from what I see of that facet you seem like a wonderful person who is quite interesting, emotional and curious but I can't say with certainty that my estimation would carry over into your daily life. ITS NOT ABOUT JUDGEING BUT WHETHER FOLLOWING!! ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO FOLLOW THE WRITING OF THIS MAN OR NOT BASED ON HIS CHARACTHER! WHEN WE PREACH WILL PEOPLE CONTINUE FOLLOW IF YOU LIVE A DECEITFUL LIFE? Your trying to excuse the idea of mohammed being flawed. and i already caught you. i know that your not even sure, because if you were sure, you wouldnt have answred in two oppoiste ways.

Paul was murdering Christians and yet you follow his teachings today because he said God sent him to the gentiles he admits he was the chief of the sinners

This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
1 Timothy 1:14-16

Now without considering this you follow the teachings of Paul and yet there is no such statement by Muhammad and you fault him. This seems to be hypocritical.

You still have not even told me what evil Muhammad did.

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and if Gods character is not found in such a person you turn away.

Then why do you follow the teachings of Paul? Also what do you mean the Character of God?

For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Isaiah 55:8-10

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ITS NOT ABOUT JUDGEING BUT WHETHER FOLLOWING!! ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO FOLLOW THE WRITING OF THIS MAN OR NOT BASED ON HIS CHARACTHER! WHEN WE PREACH WILL PEOPLE CONTINUE FOLLOW IF YOU LIVE A DECEITFUL LIFE?

The writing is of God, just as Jesus even said about himself.

Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 7:15-17

But do you believe that? Do you believe when Jesus says:

And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Mark 10:17-19

According to Jesus's statement above everyone is flawed including him, if Jesus had not been flawed he could not OVERCOME the world which is really to overcome ones flaws. This does not mean Jesus was a sinner but it does mean he LEARNED obedience

Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Hebrews 5:7-9

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 02 2010,22:39)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 02 2010,20:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 21 2010,22:49) Bod, Quote I dodn't mess up the answer but you refuse to see the simplicity of the answer which is Whoever God chooses who am I to be concerned about their Character? The simpilicity is why would you follow such a character that is not of God, when it depends whether Gods character is demonstrated within the subjects life.  and if Gods character is not found in such a person you turn away.   Quote It's just like Paul if I believe that God sent Paul to the gentiles do you think that would mean he hadn't done things that some or most would not find objectional? HE DID THINGS BEFORE HE KNEW GOD, NOT AFTER! THATS WHAT IM QUESTIONING! Quote So, I am not confused at all but I do believe that you are confused since you would have no better judge of Character than I concerning historical figures that neither one of us has ACTUAL personal knowledge of than you shouldnt believe at all. Quote We don't even have the capacity to judge each others character and what we reflect on a forum is only a facet of who we are, but from what I see of that facet you seem like a wonderful person who is quite interesting, emotional and curious but I can't say with certainty that my estimation would carry over into your daily life. ITS NOT ABOUT JUDGEING BUT WHETHER FOLLOWING!! ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO FOLLOW THE WRITING OF THIS MAN OR NOT BASED ON HIS CHARACTHER! WHEN WE PREACH WILL PEOPLE CONTINUE FOLLOW IF YOU LIVE A DECEITFUL LIFE? Your trying to excuse the idea of mohammed being flawed. and i already caught you. i know that your not even sure, because if you were sure, you wouldnt have answred in two oppoiste ways. Paul was murdering Christians and yet you follow his teachings today because he said God sent him to the gentiles he admits he was the chief of the sinners This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 1 Timothy 1:14-16 Now without considering this you follow the teachings of Paul and yet there is no such statement by Muhammad and you fault him. This seems to be hypocritical. You still have not even told me what evil Muhammad did. Quote and if Gods character is not found in such a person you turn away. Then why do you follow the teachings of Paul? Also what do you mean the Character of God? For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. Isaiah 55:8-10 Quote ITS NOT ABOUT JUDGEING BUT WHETHER FOLLOWING!! ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO FOLLOW THE WRITING OF THIS MAN OR NOT BASED ON HIS CHARACTHER! WHEN WE PREACH WILL PEOPLE CONTINUE FOLLOW IF YOU LIVE A DECEITFUL LIFE? The writing is of God, just as Jesus even said about himself. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. John 7:15-17 But do you believe that? Do you believe when Jesus says: And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. Mark 10:17-19 According to Jesus's statement above everyone is flawed including him, if Jesus had not been flawed he could not OVERCOME the world which is really to overcome ones flaws. This does not mean Jesus was a sinner but it does mean he LEARNED obedience Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; Hebrews 5:7-9

i talking about what mohammed did after,
which i already stated in the beggining of this thread.

I orginally asked you if that mattered to you,

You told me yes,
and than you told me no.

Im stating how can what this man did, not affect what you believe in the quran as he was the writer of it.

and i agree about Flaws, but Jesus asks us to REPENT.

did he really repent?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 05 2010,18:41)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 02 2010,22:39) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 02 2010,20:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 21 2010,22:49) Bod, Quote I dodn't mess up the answer but you refuse to see the simplicity of the answer which is Whoever God chooses who am I to be concerned about their Character? The simpilicity is why would you follow such a character that is not of God, when it depends whether Gods character is demonstrated within the subjects life.  and if Gods character is not found in such a person you turn away.   Quote It's just like Paul if I believe that God sent Paul to the gentiles do you think that would mean he hadn't done things that some or most would not find objectional? HE DID THINGS BEFORE HE KNEW GOD, NOT AFTER! THATS WHAT IM QUESTIONING! Quote So, I am not confused at all but I do believe that you are confused since you would have no better judge of Character than I concerning historical figures that neither one of us has ACTUAL personal knowledge of than you shouldnt believe at all. Quote We don't even have the capacity to judge each others character and what we reflect on a forum is only a facet of who we are, but from what I see of that facet you seem like a wonderful person who is quite interesting, emotional and curious but I can't say with certainty that my estimation would carry over into your daily life. ITS NOT ABOUT JUDGEING BUT WHETHER FOLLOWING!! ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO FOLLOW THE WRITING OF THIS MAN OR NOT BASED ON HIS CHARACTHER! WHEN WE PREACH WILL PEOPLE CONTINUE FOLLOW IF YOU LIVE A DECEITFUL LIFE? Your trying to excuse the idea of mohammed being flawed. and i already caught you. i know that your not even sure, because if you were sure, you wouldnt have answred in two oppoiste ways. Paul was murdering Christians and yet you follow his teachings today because he said God sent him to the gentiles he admits he was the chief of the sinners This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 1 Timothy 1:14-16 Now without considering this you follow the teachings of Paul and yet there is no such statement by Muhammad and you fault him. This seems to be hypocritical. You still have not even told me what evil Muhammad did. Quote and if Gods character is not found in such a person you turn away. Then why do you follow the teachings of Paul? Also what do you mean the Character of God? For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. Isaiah 55:8-10 Quote ITS NOT ABOUT JUDGEING BUT WHETHER FOLLOWING!! ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO FOLLOW THE WRITING OF THIS MAN OR NOT BASED ON HIS CHARACTHER! WHEN WE PREACH WILL PEOPLE CONTINUE FOLLOW IF YOU LIVE A DECEITFUL LIFE? The writing is of God, just as Jesus even said about himself. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. John 7:15-17 But do you believe that? Do you believe when Jesus says: And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. Mark 10:17-19 According to Jesus's statement above everyone is flawed including him, if Jesus had not been flawed he could not OVERCOME the world which is really to overcome ones flaws. This does not mean Jesus was a sinner but it does mean he LEARNED obedience Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; Hebrews 5:7-9 i talking about what mohammed did after, which i already stated in the beggining of this thread. I orginally asked you if that mattered to you, You told me yes, and than you told me no. Im stating how can what this man did, not affect what you believe in the quran as he was the writer of it. and i agree about Flaws, but Jesus asks us to REPENT. did he really repent?

You still never told me what he did

[SimplyForgiven]

Hi All and of course Bod,

Please tell me what you think?

Who Is That Prophet?
Part 1 – Part 2

Part 1: Eliminating the Fraud
“And this is the witness of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who are you? And he confessed and did not deny, but confessed, I am not the Christ. And they asked him, What then? Are you Elijah? And he says, I am not. Are you that prophet? And he answered, No”
(John 1:19-21 MKJV).
It is claimed by followers of Muhammad that he is the prophet prophesied by Moses:
“I will raise them up a prophet from among their brothers, one like you, and will put My words in his mouth. And he shall speak to them all that I shall command him. And it shall happen, whatever man will not listen to My Words which he shall speak in My Name, I will require it of him” (Deuteronomy 18:18-19).

The inheritance was not passed through Ishmael.
It is clear that Muhammad could not possibly be the prophet of whom Moses spoke, for several reasons.

1) Muhammad was not from among the brethren of Israel.
The inheritance of Abraham went to his son, Isaac, and through Isaac to Jacob (Israel). The inheritance was not passed through Ishmael, who is alleged to be Muhammad’s ancestor. Abraham inquired of God on His decision in the matter of Ishmael, and God told him:
“And as for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall father twelve chiefs, and I will make him a great nation. But I will establish My covenant with Isaac, whom Sarah shall bear to you at this set time in the next year” (Genesis 17:20-21 MKJV).
Here is another important point to be made while comparing Ishmael and Isaac. Ishmael was born as a result of Abraham and Sarah’s effort to have the son God had promised them. Sarah was too old to have children and reasoned in terms possible only for men. Consequently, they tried to help God keep His promise to them by giving Abraham Hagar, Sarah’s handmaid, that they might have a son by her. But God does not need man’s help. Indeed, man’s help is useless because God works in the impossible realm – impossible for men, that is, but not for Him.
In due time, God did give them the promised son by Sarah, though she was well past child-bearing age; it was a miraculous birth, to God’s glory. The fact that it is Sarah’s seed is just as important as that it was Abraham’s seed. God’s promise was not only to Abraham, but also to Sarah. While Isaac’s birth was miraculous, Ishmael’s was normal, as with almost every other man. Isaac alone, therefore, was the “son of promise” to Abraham and Sarah.
Muhammad taught things contrary to the Law of Moses by his own authority.

It is written:
“Nor are all of Abraham’s descendants the children of God. God said to Abraham, ‘It is through Isaac that you will have the descendants I promised you’” (Romans 9:7 GNB).
This was confirmed by Peter, the apostle of God, when he spoke to the Jews in Jerusalem after receiving the Spirit of God:
“You are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your Seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.’ Having raised up His son Jesus, God sent Him to you first, to bless you in turning every one of you away from his iniquities” (Acts 3:25-26 MKJV).
Muhammad was not of the proper lineage, neither by blood nor by faith, the latter because he did not believe in the God of Abraham and Moses, Jesus Christ, and tried to abrogate His covenant with the Jews. Muhammad taught things contrary to the Law of Moses, by his own authority. For example, he annulled the Sabbath day, one of the Ten Commandments, which is impossible to do because God Himself sanctified the seventh day and gave it to men as a blessing.
Muhammad also claimed that his alleged forbearer, Ishmael, was a prophet, which is not true.
[19.54] And mention Ismail in the Book; surely he was truthful in (his) promise, and he was an apostle, a prophet.
Muhammad claimed to be God’s prophet. Here is what God has to say about his changing the Law of God and adding to His words, however:
“But the prophet who shall presume to speak a word in My Name which I have not commanded him to speak or who shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die” (Deuteronomy 18:20 MKJV).
He produced no signs and wonders that proved God was with him.
Did not Muhammad die before his time from sickness? But Moses died in fulness of age without his eyesight or strength deteriorated, and without suffering. Muhammad was a false prophet who tried to change the Law of God and died as a sinner, whereas the prophet like unto Moses will magnify the Law and will not die from disease or an ignominious death.

2)  Muhammad did no signs and miracles, while Moses did many.
This criterion for the prophet to come is emphasized in the last statement in the five books of Moses:
“And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face, in all the signs and the wonders, which the LORD sent him to do in the land of Egypt to Pharaoh, and to all his servants, and to all his land, and in all that mighty hand, and in all the great terror which Moses showed in the sight of all Israel” (Deuteronomy 34:10-12 KJV).
Muhammad produced none of the signs and wonders that proved God was with him, unlike Moses whose words were backed up by God with miraculous happenings. By these signs God demonstrated that He had sent Moses and Aaron to speak to Pharaoh and to lead the children of Israel.
For example, when Korah and other rebels gathered against Moses and Aaron and would not repent of their wicked complaints and rebellion, Moses said:
“If these men die the common death of all men, or if they be visited after the visitation of all men; then the LORD has not sent me. But if the LORD make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then you shall understand that these men have provoked the LORD” (Numbers 16:29-30 KJV).

Muhammad terrorized the people.
This happened in accordance with the words of Moses’ prophecy of that prophet to come:
“And it shall happen, whatever man will not listen to My Words which he shall speak in My name, I will require it of him” (Deuteronomy 18:19).
If anyone did not listen to Muhammad’s words, he, and not God, required it of that person by the force of his band of thugs and thieves if necessary. Muhammad, and not God, terrorized the people, just as other tyrants and murderers have done throughout history, though none so brazen in claiming to be the last prophet of God.

3)  Muhammad allegedly heard from the angel Gabriel, and by his own admission, did not claim to speak face to face with God as Moses had (“whom the LORD knew face to face”).
Not only did Muhammad not know God face to face, but the angel he thought he heard from was actually a devil. You can know and be certain this is true because angels of God do not attack people as Muhammad described he was attacked by the entity he encountered. This is all assuming Muhammad experienced anything, as he claimed. For all we know, he simply came up with a tall tale. There is no second witness, as God requires by Law and principle for our safety, to establish Muhammad’s story of having been visited. We are asked to take Muham
mad’s word for it over God’s. And we all know, by the Koran’s record, how much his word was worth when it was to his advantage to break it. There are also those who know how good is God’s Word, and we are among them.
The messengers of God do not torment those to whom they are sent. If we assume that Muhammad did indeed experience something, the violence of his encounter with “Gabriel” made him consider it to be an indication or confirmation that he was demon-possessed. True prophets, however, never come away from an encounter with an angel of God thinking they are possessed. Not once will you find this in Scripture because the messengers of God do not torment those to whom they are sent, and God’s angels are not sent to commune with the demon-possessed.
No one needs to convince a prophet of God that they met an angel, as Muhammad’s wife’s cousin had to convince and reassure Muhammad. There is clarity, not confusion and dependence on human rationale or imagination. This is another sure indication that what happened to Muhammad was not of God.

4) Surer yet are the fruits of Muhammad’s “prophetic” office. His campaign of subjugation, as recorded in his “inspired” Koranic testimony, is nothing less than tyranny through Law-breaking murders and thefts. It is not only a matter that Muhammad was not the prophet of whom Moses spoke, but by his actions it was demonstrated that he had nothing to do with God whatsoever and was an agent of Satan. He was a lustful son of destruction. Muhammad took many wives and enriched himself by his plunders, according to the records of his own followers. Moses did not take wives or plunder. How very different!
There are solid reasons why Muhammad could not be that prophet.
As some Muslims will point out, the Jews had the expectation that the prophet spoken of by Moses was someone different than the Christ:
“And this is the witness of John when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to him with the question, Who are you? He said quite openly and straightforwardly, I am not the Christ. And they said to him, What then? Are you Elijah? And he said, I am not. Are you the prophet? And his answer was, I am not” (John 1:19-21 BBE).
This does not mean, of course, that because Jesus was not that prophet, Muhammad must have been. Besides the fact that this is irrational, there are solid reasons why Muhammad could not be that prophet over and above what I have already listed.

5)  Muhammad did not come pronouncing the only Name given to men whereby they must be saved, which is Jesus Christ and not Allah.
Jesus Christ proved that He was God by overcoming death, which Muhammad denies ever happened. It is written in the Koran that Jesus did not die and was not resurrected. But when Peter tried to spare Christ the death of the cross, by which Jesus would overcome death for all men, the Lord said this to him:
“Go behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you do not think of the things of God, but the things of men” (Matthew 16:23 LITV).
Muhammad, by declaring that Christ was not crucified and raised from the dead, proclaimed the message of Satan, which denies mankind the forgiveness of sins by the blood of Christ and the union with God through His resurrection power. Amen.
Muhammad demoted Christ to the status of a prophet below himself.

6) When the prophet like Moses comes, it will be at the return of Christ to restore all things, as prophesied by Peter on the day the disciples received the Spirit of Christ (Pentecost):  
“Therefore repent and convert so that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. And He shall send Jesus Christ, Who before was proclaimed to you, Whom Heaven truly needs to receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of His holy prophets since the world began. For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God shall raise up a prophet to you from your brothers, one like me. You shall hear him in all things, whatever he may say to you. And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that prophet shall be destroyed from among the people” (Acts 3:19-23 MKJV).
According to these words, the prophet like unto Moses comes when Christ returns to rule on earth and completes the restoration of all things. This obviously did not happen in Muhammad’s day. As pointed out, Muhammad did not preach Christ, and neither did peace or reconciliation follow, the Kingdom of Heaven on earth. Muhammad brought strife and confusion because he demoted Christ, if such were possible, from Lord of all to the status of a prophet below himself. In other words, Muhammad made himself greater than God; he was antiChrist.
Muhammad also did not reconcile the children of Israel with their God, as Moses did, but persecuted and killed them when they rejected him. On more than one occasion when God said He would destroy Israel for their idolatry and unbelief, Moses sought clemency and prayed for them. How different from the egomaniac Muhammad, who persecuted those who were more righteous than he, and slaughtered those who differed with him!
Islam has been raised up for the judgment of wicked doing.
This is the legacy Muhammad left his followers, who to this very day hate and seek to destroy the newly raised nation of Israel, which offers more rights and privileges to Muslim citizens than their own Muslim nations do! How can anyone seriously consider Muhammad to be the prophet like unto Moses? How could anyone be more unlike Moses?
Muhammad did not cause men to turn their swords into plowshares, but the other way around, which is according to the Word of the Lord through Joel:
“Get your plough-blades hammered into swords, and your vine-knives into spears: let the feeble say, I am strong. Come quickly, all you nations round about, and get yourselves together there: make your strong ones come down, O Lord. Let the nations be awake, and come to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there I will be seated as Judge of all the nations round about. Put in the blade, for the grain is ready: come, get you down, for the wine-crusher is full, the vessels are overflowing; for great is their evil-doing” (Joel 3:10-13 BBE).
Has not Islam raised a ruckus among the nations, seeking conquest by war from its beginning? Islam has been raised up for the judgment of wicked doing, an unrighteous instrument that will perish from the earth when God is finished His righteous work. This is according to His Word, which Muhammad and a billion Muslims cannot change:
“Egypt shall be a ruin, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, from violence done to the sons of Judah, whose innocent blood they poured out in their land. But Judah will dwell forever, and Jerusalem to generation and generation” (Joel 3:19-20 MKJV).
Let us make this perfectly clear: We are not saying that Jesus was “that prophet”; He was not. There were three mentioned by John: the Christ, Elijah, and that prophet (like unto Moses). All are different. If Jesus was the Christ, then, plainly, He was not the prophet; neither was He Elijah, whom He said came by John the Baptist. Neither would Elijah be that prophet. We have proven that Muhammad was not that prophet. Therefore it remains that the true identity of that prophet has been hidden until his appearing in the day of the Lord and His coming to reconcile all things. That day is now here.

Paul Cohen

Jesus was something Much More than a prophet, which Muslims deny.

A note from Victor:
Is it not remarkable that, on the one hand, when the Bible is preached or cited to Muslims, they declare It untrustworthy because allegedly tampered with and corrupted, while, on the other hand, they quote the Bible as a credible and authoritative source wherever it pleases t
hem? This is classical hypocrisy and a contemptible disregard for Truth, of which they are invariably guilty.

Taking the Koran’s word over the Bible’s, Muslims say that Jesus is a mere prophet, but if that were so, they lose strength in their argument for Muhammad as that prophet spoken of by Moses because Jesus would then be the credible candidate. His credentials completely outweigh those of Muhammad in comparison to Moses. One, both Jesus and Moses were from among their brethren, the Israelites; two, both performed miracles; three, both were sent of God; four, what they spoke was required of those to whom they were sent; five, both honored the other; and six, both were in full agreement in every way.

Muhammad met none of these qualifications, not in the least, as Paul has ably pointed out with the facts and truth.

Muslims argue that Jesus could not have been that prophet prophesied by Moses because the Scriptures (which they say are unreliable) show that the Christ and that prophet are two different persons. They use common sense and plain language to argue against those who believe that Jesus was that prophet. But if Jesus was not that prophet because He was the Christ, then plainly He was not only a prophet but something Much More, which Muslims deny.

In their darkness and delusion, Muslims argue not to bring forth and establish truth but to uphold and to defend the ungodly, untenable positions of their religion, which is in full contradiction to the Bible and Its Author.

Victor Hafichuk

“Who Is That Prophet?” by Victor Hafichuk and Paul Cohen http://www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/thatprophet1.htm

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Is Jesus God? Yes or No?

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Is Jesus God? Yes or No?

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no, Jesus is not God

Jesus came with love and understanding

Muhammad came with a sword and violent brutality.

witch one came from God,or witch one reflects more the qualities of God.?

witch one recieved from God the approval and declared his son?

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Is Jesus God? Yes or No?

thats your only response? i expected more

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 07 2010,12:29) Is Jesus God? Yes or No? Bd no, Jesus is not God Jesus came with love and understanding Muhammad  came with a sword and violent brutality. witch one came from God,or witch one reflects more the qualities of God.? witch  one recieved from God the approval and declared his son? Pierre

Do you just think this stuff up?

Yet there are men who take (for worship) others besides Allah, as equal (with Allah.: They love them as they should love Allah. But those of Faith are overflowing in their love for Allah. If only the unrighteous could see, behold, they would see the penalty: that to Allah belongs all power, and Allah will strongly enforce the penalty.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #165)

Jesus said the same thing about God but you don't believe.

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1) Muhammad was not from among the brethren of Israel.

‘And he (Ishmael) shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.’ (Genesis 16:12)

‘And he (Ishmael) died in the presence of all his brethren.’ (Genesis 25:18)

The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. Likewise, Muhammad is from among the brethren of the Israelites, because he was a descendant of Ishmael the son of Abraham.

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2) Muhammad did no signs and miracles, while Moses did many.

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matthew 24:23-25

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3) Muhammad allegedly heard from the angel Gabriel, and by his own admission, did not claim to speak face to face with God as Moses had (“whom the LORD knew face to face”).

This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush.
Acts 7:34-36

And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush.
Acts 7:29-31

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4) Surer yet are the fruits of Muhammad’s “prophetic” office

Eliminated Idol worship and Instilled the Monotheistic belief in ONE GOD

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5) Muhammad did not come pronouncing the only Name given to men whereby they must be saved, which is Jesus Christ and not Allah.

Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to allah.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45)

O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of allah aught but the truth. christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for allah is one allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is allah as a Disposer of affairs.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)

In blasphemy indeed are those that say that allah is christ the son of Mary. Say: “Who then hath the least power against allah, if His will were to destroy christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every – one that is on the earth? For to allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For allah hath power over all things.”
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #17)

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6) When the prophet like Moses comes, it will be at the return of Christ to restore all things, as prophesied by Peter on the day the disciples received the Spirit of Christ (Pentecost):

“And this is the witness of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who are you? And he confessed and did not deny, but confessed, I am not the Christ. And they asked him, What then? Are you Elijah? And he says, I am not. Are you that prophet? And he answered, No”
(John 1:19-21 MKJV).

Who is that Prophet?

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