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Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,05:17) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 06 2010,20:35) I still dont get you on that Ed. If the answer was – yes 'i am' is my God, you would say..?
He would say that “Satan” is your God but he would be wrong because “I am” is a statement that can be applied with anyone including God.He is just really trying to say that in the Bible when Moses asks who shall I say has sent me the verse says:
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Exodus 3:13-15ED is simply saying that this is a mistranslation and should read:
I will be what I will be (or something in that order) and he is right but he is still lacking the point of him being right
This should explian thoroughly
———–
Commentary on the passage in Exodus 3:13-15.
vs. 13] And Moses said unto G-d: “Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel and shall say unto them, 'The G-d of your fathers hath sent me unto you,' and they shall say to me, 'What is his name?' what shall I say unto them?”
[Comm.] Here marks the beginning of all instruction on what is in a name. A name reveals a person's essence. It is the same with G-d. His name reveals to man His essence. If we were to look carefully at what transpired here, in these verses, the scripture begins by Moses asking to know G-d's name. But how does G-d answer Moses in return?
vs. 14] And G-d said unto Moses, “I shall be that which I shall be” (Heb. אהיה אשר אהיה). And he said, “Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel , 'I shall be (Heb. אהיה) hath sent me unto you.' “
[Comm.] According to the Zohar (Section “Acharei Mos”), the first words, “I shall be,” or what is written in Hebrew as אהיה, is a generalization, which words are immediately followed by the specification, “that which I shall be.” Meaning, whatever name G-d is called by (whatever that might be, since it is now only an unknown identity and presumed name), that name will become his essence. Hence: “that which I shall be” (albeit, everything at this point is still ambiguous). This is what was implied by the second set of words, “that which I shall be,” or what is written in Hebrew as אשר אהיה, and, as noted, is a specified statement to what began as a general statement.
The Greek LXX has translated אהיה אשר אהיה in Exo. 3:14 as meaning, “I am the one being” (Gr. εγώ είμι ό ών), or “I am the (one) who (is).” Bear in mind here that the Greek text is subjected to the Hebrew text, and not vice-versa, for since the Greek LXX comes to describe what was written in the Hebrew original, it cannot be better than the Hebrew original. As we all know, sometimes, when words are translated from one language into another, the sheer force and beauty of the original language is lost in the translation. In our Greek translation, unfortunately, nowhere can it be understood by the words “I am the one being” that in the original Hebrew language there was written there a generalization followed by a specification, only to disclose afterwards what that specification really is, viz. the Tetragammaton (that ineffable name which we are not permitted to utter, neither copy down in writing). Nor can it be known by the English (KJV: I am that I am) that the original Hebrew was written first with a generalization followed by a specification, only then to disclose once and for all what was implied by that specification!
vs. 15] And G-d said moreover unto Moses, “Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, 'The LO-RD G-d of your fathers, the G-d of Abraham, the G-d of Isaac, and the G-d of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.' “
[Comm.] G-d gradually led up to his name, but in the meantime, disclosed unto Moses that a name is a reflection of a thing's essence, saying “I shall be” (erroneously translated as “I am”). The long awaited answer finally arrives. G-d's name is the LO-RD (i.e., the Tetragrammaton), which is also his essence: viz., “He that was, who is, and who is to be,” or in other words, “he who is eternal;” or, in the words of the Targum Yerushlami (ibid.): “He that said to the world “to be,” and the world “was.” (Meaning, the words “to be” and “was,” even though said here in relation to the creation, are still the essence of his name).
Note: Hebrew is called the Holy Tongue because of its being the language given to the first man, as also the language with which G-d conversed with the fathers. It was not in vain that, in Hebrew, a horse is called “sus” (סוס) because it is inclined to be of a joyous and gay disposition (Heb. שָׂשׂ); a dog is called “caleb” (כלב) because it is inclined to be “all heart” (Heb. כולו לב); a vulture is called “nesher” because of its appearance, which seems to have “shed its feathers” (Heb. נֹשֶׁר); man is called “adam” because he was made from the red earth (Heb. אדמה), etc. etc.
http://www.globalyeshiva.com/forum….-3-1315
———————————-I will also like to add that God always expresses his Nature because no one named God like we are named for instance:
Exodus 34:5-7 (King James Version)
5And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.
6And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
7Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
Now you can see from that long proclamation, God is expressing HIS nature.
Now as far as ED goes him saying that “I am” is Satan he may just mean false interpretation is Satanic or something like that.
Now the statement “I am” has misled many because in the NT Jesus makes the statement before Abraham was “I am” and many trinitarians and oneness believers will point to that and say that Jesus is saying he is God when in fact Jesus statement has nothing to do with Exodus 3:14-15
From this view I would agree with ED but I have already stated that the scriptures are corrupted and hence clarity comes with The Quran which ED still stubbornly rejects
THANKYOU for that, im getting it now.Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 07 2010,13:20) I must admit, I admire the amount of diligence it takes to display so many different font colors.
Hi Kejonn,The enormity of the concentric Posts looks pretty psychedelic as well; huh?
Ed J
Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 07 2010,14:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,05:17) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 06 2010,20:35) I still dont get you on that Ed. If the answer was – yes 'i am' is my God, you would say..?
He would say that “Satan” is your God but he would be wrong because “I am” is a statement that can be applied with anyone including God.He is just really trying to say that in the Bible when Moses asks who shall I say has sent me the verse says:
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Exodus 3:13-15ED is simply saying that this is a mistranslation and should read:
I will be what I will be (or something in that order) and he is right but he is still lacking the point of him being right
This should explian thoroughly
———–
Commentary on the passage in Exodus 3:13-15.
vs. 13] And Moses said unto G-d: “Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel and shall say unto them, 'The G-d of your fathers hath sent me unto you,' and they shall say to me, 'What is his name?' what shall I say unto them?”
[Comm.] Here marks the beginning of all instruction on what is in a name. A name reveals a person's essence. It is the same with G-d. His name reveals to man His essence. If we were to look carefully at what transpired here, in these verses, the scripture begins by Moses asking to know G-d's name. But how does G-d answer Moses in return?
vs. 14] And G-d said unto Moses, “I shall be that which I shall be” (Heb. אהיה אשר אהיה). And he said, “Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel , 'I shall be (Heb. אהיה) hath sent me unto you.' “
[Comm.] According to the Zohar (Section “Acharei Mos”), the first words, “I shall be,” or what is written in Hebrew as אהיה, is a generalization, which words are immediately followed by the specification, “that which I shall be.” Meaning, whatever name G-d is called by (whatever that might be, since it is now only an unknown identity and presumed name), that name will become his essence. Hence: “that which I shall be” (albeit, everything at this point is still ambiguous). This is what was implied by the second set of words, “that which I shall be,” or what is written in Hebrew as אשר אהיה, and, as noted, is a specified statement to what began as a general statement.
The Greek LXX has translated אהיה אשר אהיה in Exo. 3:14 as meaning, “I am the one being” (Gr. εγώ είμι ό ών), or “I am the (one) who (is).” Bear in mind here that the Greek text is subjected to the Hebrew text, and not vice-versa, for since the Greek LXX comes to describe what was written in the Hebrew original, it cannot be better than the Hebrew original. As we all know, sometimes, when words are translated from one language into another, the sheer force and beauty of the original language is lost in the translation. In our Greek translation, unfortunately, nowhere can it be understood by the words “I am the one being” that in the original Hebrew language there was written there a generalization followed by a specification, only to disclose afterwards what that specification really is, viz. the Tetragammaton (that ineffable name which we are not permitted to utter, neither copy down in writing). Nor can it be known by the English (KJV: I am that I am) that the original Hebrew was written first with a generalization followed by a specification, only then to disclose once and for all what was implied by that specification!
vs. 15] And G-d said moreover unto Moses, “Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, 'The LO-RD G-d of your fathers, the G-d of Abraham, the G-d of Isaac, and the G-d of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.' “
[Comm.] G-d gradually led up to his name, but in the meantime, disclosed unto Moses that a name is a reflection of a thing's essence, saying “I shall be” (erroneously translated as “I am”). The long awaited answer finally arrives. G-d's name is the LO-RD (i.e., the Tetragrammaton), which is also his essence: viz., “He that was, who is, and who is to be,” or in other words, “he who is eternal;” or, in the words of the Targum Yerushlami (ibid.): “He that said to the world “to be,” and the world “was.” (Meaning, the words “to be” and “was,” even though said here in relation to the creation, are still the essence of his name).
Note: Hebrew is called the Holy Tongue because of its being the language given to the first man, as also the language with which G-d conversed with the fathers. It was not in vain that, in Hebrew, a horse is called “sus” (סוס) because it is inclined to be of a joyous and gay disposition (Heb. שָׂשׂ); a dog is called “caleb” (כלב) because it is inclined to be “all heart” (Heb. כולו לב); a vulture is called “nesher” because of its appearance, which seems to have “shed its feathers” (Heb. נֹשֶׁר); man is called “adam” because he was made from the red earth (Heb. אדמה), etc. etc.
http://www.globalyeshiva.com/forum….-3-1315
———————————-I will also like to add that God always expresses his Nature because no one named God like we are named for instance:
Exodus 34:5-7 (King James Version)
5And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.
6And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
7Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
Now you can see from that long proclamation, God is expressing HIS nature.
Now as far as ED goes him saying that “I am” is Satan he may just mean false interpretation is Satanic or something like that.
Now the statement “I am” has misled many because in the NT Jesus makes the statement before Abraham was “I am” and many trinitarians and oneness believers will point to that and say that Jesus is saying he is God when in fact Jesus statement has nothing to do with Exodus 3:14-15
From this view I would agree with ED but I have already stated that the scriptures are corrupted and hence clarity comes with The Quran which ED still stubbornly rejects
THANKYOU for that, im getting it now.
Hi Karmarie,I love it when others like yourself help me to expose “The Truth” for all to see!
The N.W.T version has both of these bible verses translated correctly, while the AKJV bible doesn’t.N.W.T.
Jehovah witness’s version: Matthew 3:17 “Look! Also, there was a voice
from the heavens that said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.””
(Who does Jehovah God’s testimony tell us Jesus is?)The standardized translation of ‘I am that I am’ can be proven to be wrong;
and that the N.W.T. version of the Bible has this phrase (אהיה אשר אהיה) translated correctly.N.W.T. Jehovah witness’s version Exodus 3:14: …“I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE”…
The AKJV linguists successfully translated the phrase אהיה into “I WILL” hundreds of times
in the “Old Testament”. The AKJV translators also added words (which they italicized)
to aid in translational differences; they did this practice throughout the bible so as to NOT corrupt it!The AKJV linguists should have translated אהיה אשר אהיה into “I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE”;
this can be proven! The phrase ‘I am’ cannot be translated back into Hebrew.The Hebrew language does not have a word for coincidence;
because of this they do not believe there is such a thing!
As a matter of fact they believe if the Hebrew language does NOT have a word for it, then it doesn’t exist.
Theomatics provides a second witness as “WILL BE”=63 matches God's Name “YHVH”=63!
Now 'i am' has become the FALSE god of religion!The false god('i am') of religion(‘a god’) shall Exalt Himself Above ALL.
In the English AKJV Bible, translated directly from the Aramaic text, it says in Daniel…AKJV Daniel 11:36-38: “And the king will do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself,
and magnify himself above every god, AND SHALL SPEAK AGAINST THE GOD OF GODS
(יהוה האלהים YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL- ō-Hêêm JEHOVAH GOD), and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished:
for that is determined shall be done. Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god:
for HE SHALL MAGNIFY HIMSELF ABOVE ALL.” BUT IN HIS ESTATE SHALL HE HONOR THE ‘GOD OF FORCES’ (SATAN)
AND ‘a god’ (WHICH IS THE VERY SUBJECT HERE!) Whom His Fathers Knew Not
Shall He Honor With Gold, And Silver, And With Precious Stones And Pleasant Things.This wording sounds remarkably like what it says in Ezekiel 28:2, 28:13-15.
N.W.T. Jehovah witness’s version: Ezekiel 28:2: “…For the reason that your heart has become haughty,
and you keep saying [[[‘I am a god. In the seat of god (יהוה האלהים YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL- ō-Hêêm) I(Your Name here) have seated myself]]]…N.W.T. Jehovah witness’s version: Ezekiel 28:2: In Eden, the garden of God, you proved to be.
EVERY PRECIOUS STONE was your covering (emphasis mine), ruby, topaz, and jasper…
14: You are the anointed cherub that is covering, and I have set you. On the holy mountain of God you proved to be…N.W.T. Jehovah witness’s version: Ezekiel 28:2: “…For the reason that your heart has become haughty,
AND YOU KEEP SAYING [‘I am a god’ (THE FALSE GOD OF RELIGION!). In the seat of god I(Your Name here) have seated myself]…Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
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What is Satan's title again?
Job 40:4: Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.
vile means evil, 'satan is vile'!1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.you don't even like division
your god likes divisionLuke12:51: Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
.
Jesus is the one talking in that verse.
Is not 'i am' your god?
You dodged my question: is 'i am' your god?
What does that mean?
Why do you continue to dodge my question?
I really don't wnow what you mean. How can two words be God?“I am” What or Who?
Then quit labeling “GOD” with that 'title'=66…IN ANY SENTENCE STRUCTURE!
You just labeled God with the word “God” …or use YHVH with no pronunciationHebrew is not a pure tongue
YHVH is God's Name(יהוה) transliterated into English; transliterated means sounds(phonics).
Prob.3:33: The 'curse'=66 of the LORD(YHVH) is in the house of the wicked: but he blesseth the habitation of the just.
Last Post on Page<–Click Hereallah=66 is a 'title'=66 NOT A NAME!
2Cor.4:4 In whom the god(Guess who?) of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not
lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.“YHVH is GOD“=117 YHVH is the Light=117
יהוה is pronounced with its exact preciseness as “YÄ-hä-vā”; where ä sounds like that of the word “ah” and the other ā sounds
like that of the vowel in the word “hay”. So when you see the tetragrammation YHVH, the proper pronunciation is YÄ-hä-vā.
(Psalm 45:17) This point is made because the correct pronunciation was thought to be lost, which led only to translators’ interpretations.PSALM 117 “is” [The Bible's Center], AND the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]!
Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Allah =34 according to the same method you used to add up curse as =66 so why be dishonest using different methods for different words to make your “Magic” appear to be real?Still you speculate but there is no reason to anyway when did Jesus use the Word YHVH in the NT?
If Jesus didn't use it why do you think you should? ALLAH is a title alright because HE is THE ONLY ONE ENTITLED to be called THE GOD.
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What is Satan's title again?
Job 40:4: Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.
vile means evil, 'satan is vile'!1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.you don't even like division
your god likes divisionLuke12:51: Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
.
Jesus is the one talking in that verse.
Is not 'i am' your god?
You dodged my question: is 'i am' your god?
What does that mean?
Why do you continue to dodge my question?
I really don't wnow what you mean. How can two words be God?“I am” What or Who?
Then quit labeling “GOD” with that 'title'=66…IN ANY SENTENCE STRUCTURE!
You just labeled God with the word “God” …or use YHVH with no pronunciationHebrew is not a pure tongue
YHVH is God's Name(יהוה) transliterated into English; transliterated means sounds(phonics).
Prob.3:33: The 'curse'=66 of the LORD(YHVH) is in the house of the wicked: but he blesseth the habitation of the just.
Last Post on Page<–Click Hereallah=66 is a 'title'=66 NOT A NAME!
2Cor.4:4 In whom the god(Guess who?) of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not
lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.“YHVH is GOD“=117 YHVH is the Light=117
יהוה is pronounced with its exact preciseness as “YÄ-hä-vā”; where ä sounds like that of the word “ah” and the other ā sounds
like that of the vowel in the word “hay”. So when you see the tetragrammation YHVH, the proper pronunciation is YÄ-hä-vā.
(Psalm 45:17) This point is made because the correct pronunciation was thought to be lost, which led only to translators’ interpretations.PSALM 117 “is” [The Bible's Center], AND the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]!
Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Allah =34 …to make your “Magic” appear to be real?
'a magic'=34 trickQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 07 2010,14:44) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 07 2010,14:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,05:17) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 06 2010,20:35) I still dont get you on that Ed. If the answer was – yes 'i am' is my God, you would say..?
He would say that “Satan” is your God but he would be wrong because “I am” is a statement that can be applied with anyone including God.He is just really trying to say that in the Bible when Moses asks who shall I say has sent me the verse says:
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Exodus 3:13-15ED is simply saying that this is a mistranslation and should read:
I will be what I will be (or something in that order) and he is right but he is still lacking the point of him being right
This should explian thoroughly
———–
Commentary on the passage in Exodus 3:13-15.
vs. 13] And Moses said unto G-d: “Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel and shall say unto them, 'The G-d of your fathers hath sent me unto you,' and they shall say to me, 'What is his name?' what shall I say unto them?”
[Comm.] Here marks the beginning of all instruction on what is in a name. A name reveals a person's essence. It is the same with G-d. His name reveals to man His essence. If we were to look carefully at what transpired here, in these verses, the scripture begins by Moses asking to know G-d's name. But how does G-d answer Moses in return?
vs. 14] And G-d said unto Moses, “I shall be that which I shall be” (Heb. אהיה אשר אהיה). And he said, “Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel , 'I shall be (Heb. אהיה) hath sent me unto you.' “
[Comm.] According to the Zohar (Section “Acharei Mos”), the first words, “I shall be,” or what is written in Hebrew as אהיה, is a generalization, which words are immediately followed by the specification, “that which I shall be.” Meaning, whatever name G-d is called by (whatever that might be, since it is now only an unknown identity and presumed name), that name will become his essence. Hence: “that which I shall be” (albeit, everything at this point is still ambiguous). This is what was implied by the second set of words, “that which I shall be,” or what is written in Hebrew as אשר אהיה, and, as noted, is a specified statement to what began as a general statement.
The Greek LXX has translated אהיה אשר אהיה in Exo. 3:14 as meaning, “I am the one being” (Gr. εγώ είμι ό ών), or “I am the (one) who (is).” Bear in mind here that the Greek text is subjected to the Hebrew text, and not vice-versa, for since the Greek LXX comes to describe what was written in the Hebrew original, it cannot be better than the Hebrew original. As we all know, sometimes, when words are translated from one language into another, the sheer force and beauty of the original language is lost in the translation. In our Greek translation, unfortunately, nowhere can it be understood by the words “I am the one being” that in the original Hebrew language there was written there a generalization followed by a specification, only to disclose afterwards what that specification really is, viz. the Tetragammaton (that ineffable name which we are not permitted to utter, neither copy down in writing). Nor can it be known by the English (KJV: I am that I am) that the original Hebrew was written first with a generalization followed by a specification, only then to disclose once and for all what was implied by that specification!
vs. 15] And G-d said moreover unto Moses, “Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, 'The LO-RD G-d of your fathers, the G-d of Abraham, the G-d of Isaac, and the G-d of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.' “
[Comm.] G-d gradually led up to his name, but in the meantime, disclosed unto Moses that a name is a reflection of a thing's essence, saying “I shall be” (erroneously translated as “I am”). The long awaited answer finally arrives. G-d's name is the LO-RD (i.e., the Tetragrammaton), which is also his essence: viz., “He that was, who is, and who is to be,” or in other words, “he who is eternal;” or, in the words of the Targum Yerushlami (ibid.): “He that said to the world “to be,” and the world “was.” (Meaning, the words “to be” and “was,” even though said here in relation to the creation, are still the essence of his name).
Note: Hebrew is called the Holy Tongue because of its being the language given to the first man, as also the language with which G-d conversed with the fathers. It was not in vain that, in Hebrew, a horse is called “sus” (סוס) because it is inclined to be of a joyous and gay disposition (Heb. שָׂשׂ); a dog is called “caleb” (כלב) because it is inclined to be “all heart” (Heb. כולו לב); a vulture is called “nesher” because of its appearance, which seems to have “shed its feathers” (Heb. נֹשֶׁר); man is called “adam” because he was made from the red earth (Heb. אדמה), etc. etc.
http://www.globalyeshiva.com/forum….-3-1315
———————————-I will also like to add that God always expresses his Nature because no one named God like we are named for instance:
Exodus 34:5-7 (King James Version)
5And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.
6And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
7Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
Now you can see from that long proclamation, God is expressing HIS nature.
Now as far as ED goes him saying that “I am” is Satan he may just mean false interpretation is Satanic or something like that.
Now the statement “I am” has misled many because in the NT Jesus makes the statement before Abraham was “I am” and many trinitarians and oneness believers will point to that and say that Jesus is saying he is God when in fact Jesus statement has nothing to do with Exodus 3:14-15
From this view I would agree with ED but I have already stated that the scriptures are corrupted and hence clarity comes with The Quran which ED still stubbornly rejects
THANKYOU for that, im getting it now.
Hi Karmarie,I
love it when others like yourself help me to expose “The Truth” for all to see!
The N.W.T version has both of these bible verses translated correctly, while the AKJV bible doesn’t.N.W.T. Jehovah witness’s version: Matthew 3:17 “Look! Also, there was a voice
from the heavens that said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.””
(Who does Jehovah God’s testimony tell us Jesus is?)The standardized translation of ‘I am that I am’ can be proven to be wrong;
and that the N.W.T. version of the Bible has this phrase (אהיה אשר אהיה) translated correctly.N.W.T. Jehovah witness’s version Exodus 3:14: …“I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE”…
The AKJV linguists successfully translated the phrase אהיה into “I WILL” hundreds of times
in the “Old Testament”. The AKJV translators also added words (which they italicized)
to aid in translational differences; they did this practice throughout the bible so as to NOT corrupt it!The AKJV linguists should have translated אהיה אשר אהיה into “I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE”;
this can be proven! The phrase ‘I am’ cannot be translated back into Hebrew.The Hebrew language does not have a word for coincidence;
because of this they do not believe there is such a thing!
As a matter of fact they believe if the Hebrew language does NOT have a word for it, then it doesn’t exist.
Theomatics provides a second witness as “WILL BE”=63 matches God's Name “YHVH”=63!
Now 'i am' has become the FALSE god of religion!The false god('i am') of religion(‘a god’) shall Exalt Himself Above ALL.
In the English AKJV Bible, translated directly from the Aramaic text, it says in Daniel…AKJV Daniel 11:36-38: “And the king will do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself,
and magnify himself above every god, AND SHALL SPEAK AGAINST THE GOD OF GODS
(יהוה האלהים YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL- ō-Hêêm JEHOVAH GOD), and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished:
for that is determined shall be done. Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god:
for HE SHALL MAGNIFY HIMSELF ABOVE ALL.” BUT IN HIS ESTATE SHALL HE HONOR THE ‘GOD OF FORCES’ (SATAN)
AND ‘a god’ (WHICH IS THE VERY SUBJECT HERE!) Whom His Fathers Knew Not
Shall He Honor With Gold, And Silver, And With Precious Stones And Pleasant Things.This wording sounds remarkably like what it says in Ezekiel 28:2, 28:13-15.
N.W.T. Jehovah witness’s version: Ezekiel 28:2: “…For the reason that your heart has become haughty,
and you keep saying [[[‘I am a god. In the seat of god (יהוה האלהים YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL- ō-Hêêm) I(Your Name here) have seated myself]]]…N.W.T. Jehovah witness’s version: Ezekiel 28:2: In Eden, the garden of God, you proved to be.
EVERY PRECIOUS STONE was your covering (emphasis mine), ruby, topaz, and jasper…
14: You are the anointed cherub that is covering, and I have set you. On the holy mountain of God you proved to be…N.W.T. Jehovah witness’s version: Ezekiel 28:2: “…For the reason that your heart has become haughty,
AND YOU KEEP SAYING [‘I am a god’ (THE FALSE GOD OF RELIGION!). In the seat of god I(Your Name here) have seated myself]…Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
ED, glad to see you are reading the Jehovah witnesses Bible it will help you greatly.You are going to have to get pass your excessive symbology to keep moving forward as right now you are not actually saying much that is spiritual.
If you say call God “Jehovah” and we say okay then what?
You said ALLAH is a title, then wouldn't it be the Title of Jehovah? You say Jehovah God as if there are other “gods”
However given the proper title it would be “JEHOVAH ALLAH”
Complete rendering “I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE”; “THE GOD“
Once you understand this combination you cross the bridge of understanding.
Then you can learn even more if you are willing.
Thanks Ed
I read through your post about 'i am' being the false God of religeon, and can see that the translations are different and that it should be 'i will be' or something similar, I can also see the connection with how people use the 'i am' phrases in the NT to say Jesus is God-
so thats all i can figure out for now.I still cant understand anything else about it.
Maybe I should try reading your book a second time?
You will have to post it to me again – I had to recover my system and didnt backup so it sort of got lost?
sorry?Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 07 2010,15:18) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,15:05) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 07 2010,13:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,12:11) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 07 2010,11:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,11:06) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 07 2010,09:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,05:20) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 06 2010,18:16) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 06 2010,13:43) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2010,15:05) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 05 2010,14:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 06 2010,13:16) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 06 2010,13:09) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 06 2010,09:27)
What is Satan's title again?
Job 40:4: Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.
vile means evil, 'satan is vile'!1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.you don't even like division
your god likes divisionLuke12:51: Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
.
Jesus is the one talking in that verse.
Is not 'i am' your god?
You dodged my question: is 'i am' your god?
What does that mean?
Why do you continue to dodge my question?
I really don't wnow what you mean. How can two words be God?“I am” What or Who?
Then quit labeling “GOD” with that 'title'=66…IN ANY SENTENCE STRUCTURE!
You just labeled God with the word “God” …or use YHVH with no pronunciationHebrew is not a pure tongue
YHVH is God's Name(יהוה) transliterated into English; transliterated means sounds(phonics).
Prob.3:33: The 'curse'=66 of the LORD(YHVH) is in the house of the wicked: but he blesseth the habitation of the just.
Last Post on Page<–Click Hereallah=66 is a 'title'=66 NOT A NAME!
2Cor.4:4 In whom the god(Guess who?) of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not
lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.“YHVH is GOD“=117 YHVH is the Light=117
יהוה is pronounced with its exact preciseness as “YÄ-hä-vā”; where ä sounds like that of the word “ah” and the other ā sounds
like that of the vowel in the word “hay”. So when you see the tetragrammation YHVH, the proper pronunciation is YÄ-hä-vā.
(Psalm 45:17) This point is made because the correct pronunciation was thought to be lost, which led only to translators’ interpretations.PSALM 117 “is” [The Bible's Center], AND the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]!
Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Allah =34 …to make your “Magic” appear to be real?
'a magic'=34 trick
What is “a Magic”?Why be dishonest trying to beguile others these are the works of Satan whom you speak so highly of all the time.
Everything you h
ave been doing is for attention and not truth you just keep doing things that scream outI am ED
I am ED
I am ED
I am ED
I am EDCritisize Muhammad all you want but show me the verses in the Quran to corroborate what you say. Believe me you are being misled about Islam, it would be much easier to read the Quran and speak with knowledge
So Shechem spoke to his father Hamor, saying, “Get me this young girl for a wife.”
Genesis 34:3-5Numbers 31:17-19 (New King James Version)
17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man intimately. 18 But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately. 19 And as for you, remain outside the camp seven days; whoever has killed any person, and whoever has touched any slain, purify yourselves and your captives on the third day and on the seventh day.I want you to really understand that we worship the same God but the fact is you do not know what is in your own Bible so think carefully before you post it would be best for you
Bod,
lol its amusing to me when i see you refute by posting bible verses.To succefully refute a claim, you need to defend it, not attack and leave your stronghold defenceless.
by the way bod, wiki gives those quran verses.
look it up yourself. is it not true or not? if its not true show me how its not true?Defense:
1)
Quote So Shechem spoke to his father Hamor, saying, “Get me this young girl for a wife.”
Genesis 34:3-5
bod so amusing. your didnt even use this in context. this has nothing to do with God. heres it he context for all to consider.
Genesis 34
1And Dinah the daughter of Leah, which she bare unto Jacob, went out to see the daughters of the land.
2And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, prince of the country, saw her, he took her, and lay with her, and defiled her.
3And his soul clave unto Dinah the daughter of Jacob, and he loved the damsel, and spake kindly unto the damsel.
4And Shechem spake unto his father Hamor, saying, Get me this damsel to wife.
5And Jacob heard that he had defiled Dinah his daughter: now his sons were with his cattle in the field: and Jacob held his peace until they were come.he is not of Gods people, what he did was wrong. note: defiled. so your point is now dropped.
2)
Numbers 31
14And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
15And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
16Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
19And do ye abide without the camp seven days: whosoever hath killed any person, and whosoever hath touched any slain, purify both yourselves and your captives on the third day, and on the seventh day.
20And purify all your raiment, and all that is made of skins, and all work of goats' hair, and all things made of wood.First of all it was TRESPASS AGAINST THE LORD. God saw this has wrong. it was MOSES who said to kill all the woman who were not virgens. and to PURIFY THEM. that means they didnt have sex with them to find out they were virgens.
your second point is now also dropped.So your attack fails.
in conclusion:
your attacks fails because your trying to state that these men asking to have a woman have something to do with God when it doesnt. so i have the right not to believe you, according to this false accusation and misinterpretation of bible. to continue, it is clear that you agree with the critics because you dont even defend it so is it true?i myself is not saying anything, this is a response from those of wiki and personal individual statements. im asking to give me fact.
Is it True according to these sources that:
1) That he married a widow for money?
2) that he married a 6 yearold girl
3) is it true he married a slave who was asked to be divorced?
4) is it true he had people murdered in other words assinated.
5) how about his treatement of slaves?
6) how about the “seizures”im asking for you to clarify now.
here are personal questions
1) is it true that Mohammed was not surprised to hear from Gaberiel
2) how long did it take him to write the Quran
3) was he rejected by others who knew about the kaabaBod,
do you take me for an idioit?
Do you think that i would automaticly take this to be true, just because so and so said so?
Do you think so little of me?
did i not state this?Quote Here is what wiki says. than again we cant always believe wiki. did i not qoute, and made it clear that i did not write this.
to me psychology wise, that you reacted out of either fear or pain.
or a mix of both.If i did not write this, think about it, whats the point of attacking me?
and than i even leave room for someone to add
espeacily truthQuote Any more info to add?
True info.your falling apart Bod,
dont be shaken by emotion,
try to see it the way i do,take it for what it is.
think about it,
Why do you HAVE to be right?
Is it for God, or for you?Is it True according to these sources that:
1) That he married a widow for money? Not in the Quran
2) that he married a 6 yearold girl? Not in the Quran
3) is it true he married a slave who was asked to be divorced? Not in the Quran
4) is it true he had people murdered in other words assinated. Not in the Quran although in the Quran it mentions battles that they had
5) how about his treatement of slaves? Always the best treatment and often bought freedom for slaves
6) how about the “seizures” explainim asking for you to clarify now.
here are personal questions
1) is it true that Mohammed was not surprised to hear from Gaberiel False he was shaken and shocked
2) how long did it take him to write the Quran revealed over 23 years and then written down
3) was he rejected by others who knew about the kaaba YesQuote (bodhitharta @ June 27 2010,19:43) Is it True according to these sources that:
1) That he married a widow for money? Not in the Quran
2) that he married a 6 yearold girl? Not in the Quran
3) is it true he married a slave who was asked to be divorced? Not in the Quran
4) is it true he had people murdered in other words assinated. Not in the Quran although in the Quran it mentions battles that they had
5) how about his treatement of slaves? Always the best treatment and often bought freedom for slaves
6) how about the “seizures” explainim asking for you to clarify now.
here are personal questions
1) is it true that Mohammed was not surprised to hear from Gaberiel False he was shaken and shocked
2) how long did it take him to write the Quran revealed over 23 years and then written down
3) was he rejected by others who knew about the kaaba Yes
Show me in the Quran to support your anwers that you just given me regarding Mohuammed visit with gabriel and the rejection of the kaaba, plus slaves treatment.now i know you didnt read the sources i posted. under psychology it states that mohammed would have seizures everytime he “saw” gabriel. is that true?
what is Sahih al-Bukhari?
It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West; but it is righteousness- to believe in Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of Slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the Allah-fearing.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #177)Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allah gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your Slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),
( سورة النور , An-Noor, Chapter #24, Verse #33)Kaaba
And when We made the House (at Makka) a resort for mankind and sanctuary, (saying): Take as your place of worship the place where Abraham stood (to pray). And We imposed a duty upon Abraham and Ishmael, (saying): Purify My house for those who go around and those who meditate therein and those who bow down and prostrate themselves (in worship).
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #125)The Quran describes many conflicts or battles with those who rejected the revelation, do you want those verses?
No seizures are recorded in the Quran
also note I accept THE QURAN ALONE not antedotes and memoirs, studying hadiths may be entertaining but these were not sent down by God
and a person would also have to really understand that time and culture to even appreciate them for instance reading Jewish literature
of the days of Jesus would seem foreign to someone today who has read the BibleSo THE QURAN alone teaches Islam and the Quran does not speak that much about Muhammad because it is not about Muhammad it is about God and mankind.
Criticism of Muhammad based on the Quran would be thus hard to do but even if critism was plausible It would be no reason to
discount him as a prophet.David the beloved of God was a Prophet and he commited Adultery and Murder
Moses was the beloved of God and commited Murder and disobedience
Solomon was a prophet of God and was deceived by strange wives and built alter to their false godsRemember what Jesus said: “Judge not lest ye be judged” Jesus also said “Ye Judge after the flesh, I judge no man”
Bod,
Quote David the beloved of God was a Prophet and he commited Adultery and Murder
Moses was the beloved of God and commited Murder and disobedience
Solomon was a prophet of God and was deceived by strange wives and built alter to their false godsRemember what Jesus said: “Judge not lest ye be judged” Jesus also said “Ye Judge after the flesh, I judge no man
The bible states that these men did WRONG, trespassed against God.
So if your comparing mohammed to these men,
are you now stating that mohammed has trespassed/ sinned against God?
whats intresting is that the bible records these peoples lives,
yet the quran doesnt record the life of mohammed?
than how do you know anything about him?Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 28 2010,05:20) Bod, Quote David the beloved of God was a Prophet and he commited Adultery and Murder
Moses was the beloved of God and commited Murder and disobedience
Solomon was a prophet of God and was deceived by strange wives and built alter to their false godsRemember what Jesus said: “Judge not lest ye be judged” Jesus also said “Ye Judge after the flesh, I judge no man
The bible states that these men did WRONG, trespassed against God.
So if your comparing mohammed to these men,
are you now stating that mohammed has trespassed/ sinned against God?
whats intresting is that the bible records these peoples lives,
yet the quran doesnt record the life of mohammed?
than how do you know anything about him?
When someone is doing the telling of what was revealed to them it would be quite vain for them to speak much of themselves. How much does Luke tell you about Luke or Matthew tell you about Matthew?The doesn't need to record the life of Muhammad as it would most likely have caused him to be worshiped just as Jesus Christ is today.
The revelation given to Muhammad is clear and directly given to mankind from Gabriel so the Quran is not something Muhammad came up with but something God sent down
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 28 2010,00:20) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 28 2010,05:20) Bod, Quote David the beloved of God was a Prophet and he commited Adultery and Murder
Moses was the beloved of God and commited Murder and disobedience
Solomon was a prophet of God and was deceived by strange wives and built alter to their false godsRemember what Jesus said: “Judge not lest ye be judged” Jesus also said “Ye Judge after the flesh, I judge no man
The bible states that these men did WRONG, trespassed against God.
So if your comparing mohammed to these men,
are you now stating that mohammed has trespassed/ sinned against God?
whats intresting is that the bible records these peoples lives,
yet the quran doesnt record the life of mohammed?
than how do you know anything about him?
When someone is doing the telling of what was revealed to them it would be quite vain for them to speak much of themselves. How much does Luke tell you about Luke or Matthew tell you about Matthew?The doesn't need to record the life of Muhammad as it would most likely have caused him to be worshiped just as Jesus Christ is today.
The revelation given to Muhammad is clear and directly given to mankind from Gabriel so the Quran is not something Muhammad came up with but something God sent down
There is alot of info about luke within scripture.anyways besides the point.
you ignored what i said.
Im asking you, if these men of God did wrong,
Do you agree that mohammed did wrong in his life?
also, how do YOU find out more about Mohammed?
tell me,
You keep insisting to know about Muhammad as if the Quran is written to celebrate or praise Muhammad and in that I can not comply
Muhammad was a Man just like you and I there is no need to focus on him other than to know what was revealed to him which was
a doctrine not of his own making but the Doctrine of God.Whether Muhammad did wrong in his life or not concerns me little because life is not based upon who never sinned it is based upon
understanding the greatness of God which includes Mercy towards those who do sin and teaching others to have Mercy and Compassion to each other.It's the strangest phenomenon in Christianity, Christians are forever attempting to boast who is the best but if you love your neighbor as you love yourself there is no best except those who are best in belief.
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