Criticism of Muhammad

[PaulCohen]

Victor wrote to Bod:

Those are things you aren’t aware of, Bod, because you have never met and spoken with Him. You have never been born again. We have, and we know whereof we speak, being at the throne, at the Source, which all His sons are.

Bod replied:

Now, you can even know my relationship with God? Lol…Lol
Let God judge that one and be a witness between me and you

Victor’s reply:

Amen, Bod. You said it there. Let’s get it on. All this other talk isn't going anywhere; you aren't listening. But now we will let God decide. He is the One in charge and will make known who is His, who isn’t, who speaks the truth, and who doesn’t, leaving no doubt for all onlookers. He will answer this request of yours, because He wholeheartedly concurs with it, as do we.

[Ed J]

Hi Paul,

So glad you and Victor (our Christian Brothers) joined with us at h-net!

Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
PS. Did you read the free e-book I e-mailed you guys yet?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 01 2010,04:13)

Hi Paul, So glad you and Victor (our Christian Brothers) joined with us at h-net! Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH! יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16) PS. Did you read the free e-book I e-mailed you guys yet?

ED,

Since you keep claiming that Jesus had to be killed on a cross because of blood atonement then can you please explain to me what did John baptize for and who gave John the authority to Baptize?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 01 2010,04:13)

Hi Paul, So glad you and Victor (our Christian Brothers) joined with us at h-net! Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH! יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16) PS. Did you read the free e-book I e-mailed you guys yet?

ED,

Since you keep claiming that Jesus had to be killed on a cross because of blood atonement then can you please explain to me what did John baptize for and who gave John the authority to Baptize?

[terraricca]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 01 2010,18:17)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 01 2010,04:13) Hi Paul, So glad you and Victor (our Christian Brothers) joined with us at h-net! Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH! יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16) PS. Did you read the free e-book I e-mailed you guys yet? ED, Since you keep claiming that Jesus had to be killed on a cross because of blood atonement then can you please explain to me what did John baptize for and who gave John the authority to Baptize?

bod

all your answers on your questions are written in the gospels
only one problem;you have to read it.

Pierre

[bodhitharta]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 03 2010,11:20)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 01 2010,18:17) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 01 2010,04:13) Hi Paul, So glad you and Victor (our Christian Brothers) joined with us at h-net! Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH! יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16) PS. Did you read the free e-book I e-mailed you guys yet? ED, Since you keep claiming that Jesus had to be killed on a cross because of blood atonement then can you please explain to me what did John baptize for and who gave John the authority to Baptize? bod all your answers on your questions are written in the gospels only one problem;you have to read it. Pierre

I have read them but you haven't so you don't dare answer my question

[terraricca]

bod

you can go and visit the believer side and see if i know something of the bible,

but what i know is not yours,you refuse to learn you have gone to the false prophet to get your doctrines,and understanding,so we are separated by the abyss you have created.

Pierre

[bodhitharta]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 03 2010,15:00)

bod you can go and visit the believer side and see if i know something of the bible, but what i know is not yours,you refuse to learn you have gone to the false prophet to get your doctrines,and understanding,so we are separated by the abyss you have created. Pierre

who gave John the authority to Baptize?

[PaulCohen]

Bod wrote to us at our website (ThePathofTruth.com):

What happened? You accepted the invitation to discuss your faulty positions and then simply vanished, you have spent so much time exposing others it is now your turn to be challenged.

If you wish not to engage please remove your false information about Islam

We reply:

Bodhitharta,

We accepted the invitation not to “discuss our faulty positions,” but to speak the truth, which we did. We soon confirmed the complaints of others on that forum that you cannot be reasoned with. Your truth is your truth and anything anyone else says means nothing to you. There is no arguing or discussing with you. You believe you are right, yet you are without reason. You are evasive, contradictory, and trust not in truth, but in tactics of debate and power to persuade.

Furthermore, it was fully evident that you did not read the links we gave you that you might truly hear us out in what we have to say. Had you done so, you wouldn’t have asked the unlearned and repeated questions you did, which, in those links, are answered. That will never do for God, for us or for any reasonable person. However, if still willing, read this entire section:

http://www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/jesusisgod/index.htm

Not that we expect you to understand, because it is written:

1 Corinthians 2:12-16 MKJV
(12)  But we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit from God, so that we might know the things that are freely given to us by God.
(13)  These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
(14)  But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
(15)  But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged by no one.
(16)  For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.

At one point, we wrote to you: “Those are things [truths] you aren’t aware of, Bod, because you have never met and spoken with Him [Jesus Christ]. You have never been born again. We have, and we know whereof we speak, being at the throne, at the Source, which all His sons are.”

You replied:

“Now, you can even know my relationship with God? Lol…Lol
Let God judge that one and be a witness between me and you”

To which we replied:

“Amen, Bod. You said it there. Let’s get it on. All this other talk isn't going anywhere; you aren't listening. But now we will let God decide. He is the One in charge and will make known who is His, who isn’t, who speaks the truth, and who doesn’t, leaving no doubt for all onlookers. He will answer this request of yours, because He wholeheartedly concurs with it, as do we.”

We accepted your declaration to let God judge and be a witness between you and us. Like we said, all else was vain with you. Our words repeated: “All this other talk isn't going anywhere; you aren't listening.”

So why are we responding to you now? We respond to make the record very public and our stand crystal clear for all to witness: According to the words out of your own mouth, to which we agree, God will manifest His judgment as to whose God is the True God, yours, or ours.

So we have absolute confidence by the gift of faith the Lord Jesus Christ has given us to let Him judge between you and us, even as you suggested, if not declared. Shall we not leave it at that and watch? Our God does not need our help. He is quite Sufficient for any task. What think you of yours?

If your Allah is God Almighty, then may you prevail over us and may we be rebuked for our error, but if Jesus Christ is Almighty God and Lord of all, then may you be exposed in your darkness we say you are steeped in.

As for your request of our removing the “false information about Islam,” you don’t specify what precisely we said that was false. However, we reply that Islam IS falsehood, entirely. If there is falsehood about falsehood it would be to say that Islam is truth, which it is not, and we didn’t say it. If we did say it, we would be liars like unto you, who prefer to believe and to speak lies. We give you our Lord’s reply He gave to the unbelieving Jews in His day, to people such as yourself:

“Jesus answered, If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say that He is your God. Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I should say I do not know Him, I would be a liar like you. But I know Him and I keep His Word” (John 8:54-55 MKJV).

Which now brings us to suggest to you that which you request of us, Bod: How about you removing your false information about God and Jesus Christ and true faith? God indeed gave His only begotten Son, the Son you, Muhammad, and all Muslims deny, for the salvation of the world, including yours:

“For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life” (John 3:16 MKJV).

We have that eternal life even now, with assurance we are His sons because we are born again, forgiven of all our sins, and seated with Him in the Heavens as, and from where, we speak. Islam, Muhammad and Allah can never do this for you or for anyone. Jesus Christ has done it for us. While we commune with Him daily, your Muhammad has not peeped a word. That is simply because Jesus Christ, being God, lives, while Muhammad, but a man, is dead.

That you remove your falsehoods is a suggestion and not a request. We aren’t worried about your public lies. Our God can take care of Himself and soon you will see it, we assure you. But Muslims have this unfortunate, insecure, fear-born belief and disposition that drives them to think they must defend their god, a warring god, a ruthless god, a god that teaches only might to be right, and that only what is good for a Muslim is right.

(Have you red Wafa Sultan’s book, A God Who Hates? She is remarkably incisive and accurate for one who doesn’t believe as we do – at least not that we are aware as yet. Good reading…an eye opener you may wish to pick up.)

We see Muslims throughout the world, rioting in frenzied rage and madness, destroying and being destroyed. Our God is not this monster you have in your minds and hearts. Our God is much greater than that, believe me, and He will show you so, as I have said.

Have we “simply vanished,” as though stumped or defeated? No, you are mistaken, Bod. We are here, neither hiding nor running, and we plan to post all our correspondence with you in its entirety on our site, Lord willing, even though you mistakenly, foolishly presume to have gotten the better of us.  We know otherwise and Jesus Christ our Lord, not we, will prove it to those whom He chooses to grace with truth, peace, and everlasting life. We have exposed others and we have exposed, and will expose, you, as well.

So we have not wished to not engage, except that we have gladly determined to take you up on the words spoken out of your own mouth and have God judge between you and us. You haven’t too long to wait.

Do you have faith in your god that you can leave the matter in his hands, according to your word, “Let God judge that one and be a witness between me and you,” as we do with our God, or will you see the necessity to take matters into your own hands, as multitudes of Islamists like you have murde
rously done countless times in your history to this very hour? Should you do so, here is a Word for you from Almighty God, Jesus Christ:

“And if anyone will hurt them, fire proceeds out of their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone will hurt them, so it is right for him to be killed”
(Revelation 11:5 MKJV).

Better you should repent of breaking His Law and trusting in your own righteousness, which, to God, is as filthy menstrual rags. Better to repent, believe, and enjoy eternal life, His love.

Express, though highly unworthy, servants of Jesus Christ, in His perfect, faithful care,

Victor and Paul
http://www.ThePathofTruth.com

[Stu]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 03 2010,11:20)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 01 2010,18:17) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 01 2010,04:13) Hi Paul, So glad you and Victor (our Christian Brothers) joined with us at h-net! Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH! יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16) PS. Did you read the free e-book I e-mailed you guys yet? ED, Since you keep claiming that Jesus had to be killed on a cross because of blood atonement then can you please explain to me what did John baptize for and who gave John the authority to Baptize? bod all your answers on your questions are written in the gospels only one problem;you have to read it. Pierre

Do you find it a problem reading the gospels too? They are dull, repetitive examples of fiction, aren't they.

Stuart

[bodhitharta]

Quote (PaulCohen @ Nov. 07 2010,02:13)

Bod wrote to us at our website (ThePathofTruth.com): What happened? You accepted the invitation to discuss your faulty positions and then simply vanished, you have spent so much time exposing others it is now your turn to be challenged. If you wish not to engage please remove your false information about Islam We reply: Bodhitharta, We accepted the invitation not to “discuss our faulty positions,” but to speak the truth, which we did. We soon confirmed the complaints of others on that forum that you cannot be reasoned with. Your truth is your truth and anything anyone else says means nothing to you. There is no arguing or discussing with you. You believe you are right, yet you are without reason. You are evasive, contradictory, and trust not in truth, but in tactics of debate and power to persuade. Furthermore, it was fully evident that you did not read the links we gave you that you might truly hear us out in what we have to say. Had you done so, you wouldn’t have asked the unlearned and repeated questions you did, which, in those links, are answered. That will never do for God, for us or for any reasonable person. However, if still willing, read this entire section: http://www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/jesusisgod/index.htm Not that we expect you to understand, because it is written: 1 Corinthians 2:12-16 MKJV (12)  But we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit from God, so that we might know the things that are freely given to us by God. (13)  These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. (14)  But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (15)  But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged by no one. (16)  For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ. At one point, we wrote to you: “Those are things [truths] you aren’t aware of, Bod, because you have never met and spoken with Him [Jesus Christ]. You have never been born again. We have, and we know whereof we speak, being at the throne, at the Source, which all His sons are.” You replied: “Now, you can even know my relationship with God? Lol…Lol Let God judge that one and be a witness between me and you” To which we replied: “Amen, Bod. You said it there. Let’s get it on. All this other talk isn't going anywhere; you aren't listening. But now we will let God decide. He is the One in charge and will make known who is His, who isn’t, who speaks the truth, and who doesn’t, leaving no doubt for all onlookers. He will answer this request of yours, because He wholeheartedly concurs with it, as do we.” We accepted your declaration to let God judge and be a witness between you and us. Like we said, all else was vain with you. Our words repeated: “All this other talk isn't going anywhere; you aren't listening.” So why are we responding to you now? We respond to make the record very public and our stand crystal clear for all to witness: According to the words out of your own mouth, to which we agree, God will manifest His judgment as to whose God is the True God, yours, or ours. So we have absolute confidence by the gift of faith the Lord Jesus Christ has given us to let Him judge between you and us, even as you suggested, if not declared. Shall we not leave it at that and watch? Our God does not need our help. He is quite Sufficient for any task. What think you of yours? If your Allah is God Almighty, then may you prevail over us and may we be rebuked for our error, but if Jesus Christ is Almighty God and Lord of all, then may you be exposed in your darkness we say you are steeped in. As for your request of our removing the “false information about Islam,” you don’t specify what precisely we said that was false. However, we reply that Islam IS falsehood, entirely. If there is falsehood about falsehood it would be to say that Islam is truth, which it is not, and we didn’t say it. If we did say it, we would be liars like unto you, who prefer to believe and to speak lies. We give you our Lord’s reply He gave to the unbelieving Jews in His day, to people such as yourself: “Jesus answered, If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say that He is your God. Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I should say I do not know Him, I would be a liar like you. But I know Him and I keep His Word” (John 8:54-55 MKJV). Which now brings us to suggest to you that which you request of us, Bod: How about you removing your false information about God and Jesus Christ and true faith? God indeed gave His only begotten Son, the Son you, Muhammad, and all Muslims deny, for the salvation of the world, including yours: “For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life” (John 3:16 MKJV). We have that eternal life even now, with assurance we are His sons because we are born again, forgiven of all our sins, and seated with Him in the Heavens as, and from where, we speak. Islam, Muhammad and Allah can never do this for you or for anyone. Jesus Christ has done it for us. While we commune with Him daily, your Muhammad has not peeped a word. That is simply because Jesus Christ, being God, lives, while Muhammad, but a man, is dead. That you remove your falsehoods is a suggestion and not a request. We aren’t worried about your public lies. Our God can take care of Himself and soon you will see it, we assure you. But Muslims have this unfortunate, insecure, fear-born belief and disposition that drives them to think they must defend their god, a warring god, a ruthless god, a god that teaches only might to be right, and that only what is good for a Muslim is right. (Have you red Wafa Sultan’s book, A God Who Hates? She is remarkably incisive and accurate for one who doesn’t believe as we do – at least not that we are aware as yet. Good reading…an eye opener you may wish to pick up.) We see Muslims throughout the world, rioting in frenzied rage and madness, destroying and being destroyed. Our God is not this monster you have in your minds and hearts. Our God is much greater than that, believe me, and He will show you so, as I have said. Have we “simply vanished,” as though stumped or defeated? No, you are mistaken, Bod. We are here, neither hiding nor running, and we plan to post all our correspondence with you in its entirety on our site, Lord willing, even though you mistakenly, foolishly presume to have gotten the better of us.  We know otherwise and Jesus Christ our Lord, not we, will prove it to those whom He chooses to grace with truth, peace, and everlasting life. We have exposed others and we have exposed, and will expose, you, as well. So we have not wished to not engage, except that we have gladly determined to take you up on the words spoken out of your own mouth and have God judge between you and us. You haven’t too long to wait. Do you have faith in your god that you can leave the matter in his hands, according to your word, “Let God judge that one and be a witness between me and you,” as we do with our God, or will you see the necessity to take matters into your own hands, as multitudes of Islamists like you have murderously done countless times in your history to this very hour? Should you do so, here is a Word for you from Almighty God, Jesus Christ: “And if anyone will hurt them, fire proceeds out of their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone will hurt them, so it is right for him to be killed” (Revelation 11:5 MKJV). Better you should repent of breaking His Law and trusting in your own righteousness, which, to God, is as filthy menstrual rags. Better to repent, believe, and enjoy eternal life, His love. Express, though highly unworthy, servants of Jesus Christ, in His perfect, faithful care, Victor and Paul http://www.ThePathofTruth.com

Responded to in the food for thought thread

[terraricca]

Quote (Stu @ Nov. 07 2010,13:57)

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 03 2010,11:20) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 01 2010,18:17) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 01 2010,04:13) Hi Paul, So glad you and Victor (our Christian Brothers) joined with us at h-net! Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH! יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16) PS. Did you read the free e-book I e-mailed you guys yet? ED, Since you keep claiming that Jesus had to be killed on a cross because of blood atonement then can you please explain to me what did John baptize for and who gave John the authority to Baptize? bod all your answers on your questions are written in the gospels only one problem;you have to read it. Pierre Do you find it a problem reading the gospels too?  They are dull, repetitive examples of fiction, aren't they. Stuart

stu

no,not really ,i just don't answer bod. because he would not understand anything any way.

he does not know the Koran or the bible,is remarks told me that.

but i love the gospels i have read them a the least 50 times.

Pierre

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