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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2010,15:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 23 2010,14:18)
What is a moon God?. Go to Link at bottom left of this Post!
Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 01 2010,14:10)
Sura #6 77 When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.”
6 + 77 = 83
moongod (83) = lord allah (83) (Rev.13:1) (Click Here)
1John 2:22 …He (allah) is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 09 2010,13:51)
Allah Mind=74
Satan's(74) name is Lucifer(74)
74 + 74 + 74 = 222And I saw them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image,
and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass,
having the harps of God. And they sing the song of Moses The Servant of GOD.Click Here <– Last Post on Page
ED,Why would you post a partial statement?
Surah 6
77 When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.” But when the moon set, He said: “unless my Lord guide me, I shall surely be among those who go astray.”
78 When he saw the sun rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord; this is the greatest (of all).” But when the sun set, he said: “O my people! I am indeed free from your (guilt) of giving partners to Allah.
79 “For me, I have set my face, firmly and truly, towards Him Who created the heavens and the earth, and never shall I give partners to Allah.”Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2010,15:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 23 2010,14:18)
What is a moon God?. Go to Link at bottom left of this Post!
Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 01 2010,14:10)
Sura #6 77 When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.”
6 + 77 = 83
moongod (83) = lord allah (83) (Rev.13:1) (Click Here)
1John 2:22 …He (allah) is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 09 2010,13:51)
Allah Mind=74
Satan's(74) name is Lucifer(74)
74 + 74 + 74 = 222And I saw them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image,
and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass,
having the harps of God. And they sing the song of Moses The Servant of GOD.Click Here <– Last Post on Page
You also said Jesus and Lucifer=74 The key=74 and cross =7474+74+74=222
Quote Quote (PaulCohen @ Oct. 21 2010,10:58)
Hi Bod, Paul here, the one who wrote the paper Dennison quoted from to start off this thread. I have replied to your comments, below:This is an extremely long an unclear objection to what I stated but for the sake of not allowing you some sort of ego boost I will dredge through it.
Ok, let’s see what you dredged up. Your replies are in red. My replies to you are in black.
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Quote from our paper, “Who Is That Prophet? Part 1”: “1) Muhammad was not from among the brethren of Israel.”Bod: “‘And he (Ishmael) shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.’ (Genesis 16:12)
“‘And he (Ishmael) died in the presence of all his brethren.’ (Genesis 25:18)
“The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. Likewise, Muhammad is from among the brethren of the Israelites, because he was a descendant of Ishmael the son of Abraham.”
Me: That’s not what the Scripture I quoted says (Romans 9:7). Muhammad was not a Jew, according to God’s definition, either in the flesh or the spirit.
Faulty point because Abraham was not a Jew either
Wrong: Jesus said to the Jews:
“Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and He saw and was glad”
(John 8:56 MKJV).Jesus’ brother in the flesh, James, said this:
“Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?” (James 2:21 MKJV).
Paul said this:
“For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that outwardly in flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is of the heart; in spirit and not in letter; whose praise is not from men, but from God” (Romans 2:28-29 MKJV).
That makes Abraham a Jew too, and establishes his credential as the father of the Jews.
Paul also said this:
“Because if you confess the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved” (Romans 10:9 MKJV).
Muhammad did not confess Christ risen from the dead. He was neither saved nor circumcised in the heart. He was not a Jew like his earthly father Abraham.
Quote As for Ishmael dwelling in the presence of his brethren, those with whom he dwelt weren’t the brothers of Isaac and his son, Israel. Neither did Ishmael live in their presence. He was sent away and became another people, as God said to Abraham: “And as for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall father twelve chiefs, and I will make him a great nation. But I will establish My covenant with Isaac, whom Sarah shall bear to you at this set time in the next year” (Genesis 17:20-21 MKJV).
False! Isaac and Ishmael buried Abraham together
His sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah near Mamre, in the field of Ephron son of Zohar the Hittite,
Genesis 25:8-10I understand that you may not know some of these things but be patient
Half brothers that have nothing to do with one another will often come together for a common parent’s funeral, as is the case here. This tidbit offers no support for your point. The Scriptures make clear that Ishmael was not part of God’s covenant with Abraham through his son Isaac:
“And they are not all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, In Isaac will Your seed be named” (Romans 9:7 BBE).
I am patient, but can you be reasonable? We have found that impossible for Muhammad’s spiritual children, because he was not a man who cared for the truth, so how will his children escape this legacy, unless they turn from him and come to the truth, Jesus Christ?
“Jesus said to him, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but by Me” (John 14:6 MKJV).
Quote Quote from our paper: “2) Muhammad did no signs and miracles, while Moses did many.” Bod: “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matthew 24:23-25”
Me: So what? Just because there are the false that do great signs, doesn’t mean there aren’t the true who do great miracles, which you seem to be implying.
God established Moses in the sight of Israel through many miraculous works, whereas Muhammad had none. And this is just one of many fundamental and crucial differences between Moses and Muhammad, as listed in the article.
Moses and Muhammad both had Human parents both were at one time orphans, both were warriors and brought law, neither of them were called the son of God or the Messiah. Jesus is Unique and was a Spirit that procceded from God and HIS word. Moses was much more like Muhammad than Jesus
To debate properly, you first need to know what you are answering. Otherwise, you are prone to assuming and making things up that we haven’t said, leading the discussion astray, as you do here. We never said Jesus is “that prophet,” and we don’t believe it. In fact, we publicly say and teach otherwise, based on the testimony of the Scriptures and revelation from God.
As for your suggestions of similarities that would qualify Muhammad as the prophet like Moses, I will answer each of those:
1) “Both had human parents.” Agreed. That eliminates the one and only Son of Man, God in the flesh, and leaves us with the rest of humanity as possible candidates.
2) “Both were at one time orphans” – What relevance would this have to qualifying God’s chosen servant like Moses, besides which, Moses was never an orphan. He was “put up for adoption” under unusual circumstances, in an unusual way, but was never without parents. And the fact is that he was nursed by his mother, as recruited by Pharaoh’s daughter.
3) “Both were warriors.” So were David and Goliath. Not only is this also irrelevant, but there is a world of difference in the kind of warfare Moses and Muhammad engaged in or commanded. Read http://thepathoftruth.com/teachings/godandviolence.htm
4) Both “brought law.” The Law, having been established by God through Moses, was no longer necessary “to bring,” only to fulfill. No man was able to do that until Jesus Christ, Who fulfilled the Law perfectly, without sin, for the sake of all. Now those born of God through Christ can keep the Law by His resurrection power that overcame sin and death.
Furthermore, Muhammad, by adding to the Word of God, added plagues to those who follow him:
“You shall not add to the Word which I command you, neither shall you take away from it, so that you may keep the commands of the LORD your God which I command you” (Deuteronomy 4:2 MKJV).
“For I testify together to everyone who hears the Words of the prophecy of this Book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add on him the plagues that h
ave been written in this Book” (Revelation 22:18 MKJV).One example: Muhammad, like the Catholic Church and its popes, tried to change the Sabbath to another day (one can only try, but can’t change anything God has sanctified).
Quote Quote from our paper: “3) Muhammad allegedly heard from the angel Gabriel, and by his own admission, did not claim to speak face to face with God as Moses had ('whom the LORD knew face to face').” Bod: “This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush.
Acts 7:34-36“And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush.
Acts 7:29-31″Me: What is your point? By Whose hand do you think Moses delivered the children of Israel? It was by God’s hand:
Angels are the messengers of God and if you believe thet Bible No man has seen God at anytime but then again the Bible does claim that some have seen God so did they or didn't they? The bible is not clear on the issue.
I have proved to you that the Angel of the Lord Who appeared to Moses in the bush was YHWH. You have not replied to that proof, so there is nothing more for me to say about it, except that you still lack a positive proof of Muhammad as “that prophet,” because Muhammad didn’t speak with God face to face, as Moses did.
Quote Our point is that not only did Muhammad not hear from God or speak with Him face to face, he also never heard from the angel Gabriel. The angel Gabriel told Mary the following: “He shall be great and shall be called the Son of the Highest” (Luke 1:32 MKJV).
“And the angel answered and said to her, The Holy Spirit shall come on you, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you. Therefore also that Holy One which will be born of you shall be called Son of God” (Luke 1:35 MKJV).
Jesus is “called” the son of God, notice the Angel did not say that Jesus IS the son of God that's because being called the son of God has nothing to do with procreation and everything to do with being Pious, you simply don't understand the usage of language in the day all of Israel is called the Son of God:
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
Exodus 4:21-23Now if Jesus is the only begotten son and Israel is the firstborn then you have some explaining to do unless Jesus is All of Israel. I will explain these things to you if you will listen.
The point here is that Muhammad denies God came in the flesh, which coming in the flesh is what Gabriel was announcing to Mary. Muhammad claims that Gabriel gave him his revelations, but his revelations are in direct conflict with the truth, so we know that Muhammad and his spiritual messenger are liars.
There is a difference between the children of God, which started with Adam, and the only begotten Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ, which also answers your quandary:
“No one has seen God at any time; the Only-begotten Son, Who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him” (John 1:18 MKJV).
Quote But the entity that Muhammad heard from told him that God has no Son. From the Koran: This should not even be a problem for you because you don't believe that God has a son either you believe that God took up flesh, you believe that the Father is the Son and therefor if they are the same individul in your eyes you deny both the Father and the Son and that is actually what you do believe.
You say that Christ is God and that is Anti-Christ
Yes, the Father is the Son and the Son is the Father. Haven’t you heard?
“For to us a Child is born, to us a Son is given; and the government shall be on His shoulder; and His Name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6 MKJV).
How is worshipping someone as God “Anti-Christ”? You make no sense, Bod – quite illogical. Saying “Jesus Christ is God” is not antiChrist if Christ is God, which He is. For more Scriptural proof, see:
http://thepathoftruth.com/teachin….god.htmQuote The LORD (not “Allah”) is only one God. There are not three. And the LORD came in the flesh, as a human being, known as the Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ, Who was crucified and raised His Own body from the dead, proving He was God. See, I just told you that you believe that. You say that God came as a Human being and the scriptures say you are in complete error.
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.
Hosea 11:8-10Jesus says ALL power was GIVEN to him, who gives power to God? You are in complete error.
If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof.
Psalm 50:11-13But regarding Jesus it says:
Mark 11:12-14 (King James Version)
12And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry:
13And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet.
14And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it.Why did Jesus if he was/is God did not know that the figs were not in season and why did he curse the tree? If he was God the tree was already being obedient to the laws he set up. But, if he was not God it would make sense. Jesus is not God you are in complete error.
“The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is His Name” (Exodus 15:3 KJV).
Of Christ it is written:
“For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him: And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist” (Colossians 1:16-17 KJV).
God, in the form of Jesus Christ, overcame the sin nature that presently holds you captive, making the way by His overcoming for your eventual repentance, redemption, and submission to God. The risen Lord did indeed speak truly when He said all power was given to Him, and we are witnesses that this is so, being turned by Him to love and to worship God.
All of your objections are answered Bod, in the writing I just gave you, along with all the writings in the section Jesus Christ Is God (link above). But it is impossible for the carnal man to comprehend the truth, especially one who has no interest whatsoever in understanding.
Quote Therefore, if Muhammad heard from anything at all, then he heard from a devil, and not the angel Gabriel, who wouldn’t contradict his own words, lying against the truth and the One he serves. The devil has never denied that Jesus was called the son of God so you are alreay incorrect and Gabriel did not say that Jesus WAS the son of God but that HE WILL BE CALLED THE SON OF GOD. To say someone loves you like a son does not mean they had sex with your mother. If Jesus is the Son of God then Mary is the Mother of God, but you don't like that but that is the way it would be if it were true. Jesus is the son of Mary whom God blessed with a Miracle. God spoke Jesus into existence HE simply said “BE” and he was and he was the only person ever created with the Word of God for Adam was created from the earth and God breathed the breath of Life into him But Jesus was created by the Word of God. God said “BE” and Jesus was BE-Gotten and that WORD of GOD became flesh.
You are wrong in everything you say here, Bod. The reason you are wrong isn’t because you can’t think or reason, but because you are trying to explain God with your human mind. This is impossible, as God spoke through Isaiah:
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts” (Isaiah 55:8-9 KJV).
Satan did deny Jesus Christ as the Son of God. In fact, he tried to get Christ to worship him:
“Again, the Devil took Him up into a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. And he said to Him, All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me” (Matthew 4:8-9 MKJV).
Isn’t that like Muhammad, though he was more subtle about it, making himself a greater authority than Christ as “the last prophet”?
Gabriel did call Jesus the Son of God, even acknowledging Him as God Almighty:
“And he shall turn many of the sons of Israel to the Lord their God. And he shall go before Him [Jesus Christ, the Lord their God] in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord” (Luke 1:16-17 MKJV)
And finally, Jesus wasn’t created by the Word of God. He IS the Word of God, the Creator of all:
John 1:1-3 MKJV
(1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(2) He was in the beginning with God.
(3) All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.Quote Quote from our paper: “4) Surer yet are the fruits of Muhammad’s 'prophetic' office” Bod: “Eliminated Idol worship and Instilled the Monotheistic belief in ONE GOD”
Me: “You believe that there is one God, you do well; even the demons believe and tremble” (James 2:19 MKJV).
Belief in the one true God is not enough, but you have not even begun to do well, because you believe in an imposter, Allah, following his false prophet.
what you are saying is silly because there is NO god but GOD if you think ALLAH is a different God it is simply because you lack knowledge, which is okay you don't have to know everything at once. Christians and Pagans will call anything God and that's because they have a polytheistic Consciousness if you had a monotheistic consciousness you would find all this as amusing as I do, you will even call Satan “god of this world” How SILLY
John 10:34-38 MKJV
(34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your Law, “I said, You are gods?”
(35) If He called those gods with whom the Word of God was, and the Scripture cannot be broken,
(36) do you say of Him whom the Father has sanctified and sent into the world, You blaspheme, because I said, I am the Son of God?
(37) If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me.
(38) But if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works so that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.Quote Worshipping a false god, the Muslims have many idols. Like all unregenerate men without Christ, they worship anything but God. For starters, they worship a man who is not God. False it is forbidden to worship anything but ALLAH in Islam and no one worshipd Muhammad:
muhammad is no more than an apostle: many Were the apostle that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then Turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah. but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #144)So you were completely misguided there
I am not misguided, but you are misguiding. The specifics of the “blasphemy law” in Pakistan were recently brought to our attention. Does this law proscribe punishment for blasphemy against God? No, it sentences people to death for blaspheming against Mohammad. How hypocritical of Muslims to say that Christians are idolaters, worshipping a man, when they put people to death for speaking a word against their alleged prophet!
In vivid contrast, here is what Jesus Christ said about Himself and how God viewed blasphemy:
“And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him. But to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven” (Luke 12:10 MKJV).
And Pakistan isn’t the only example of this egregious idolatry. There are many others. Here is what has been happening in Nigeria, for example:
On 19 June 2009, a Muslim mob in the town of Sara in Jigawa state burned a police outpost and injured about twelve persons over an alleged blasphemy against Prophet Mohammed. The mob complained that someone was distributing blasphemous pamphlets, and it demanded that the police give up a man who had sought safety at the police outpost.
On 9 August 2008, a Muslim mob in Kano state beat to death a fifty-year-old Muslim man who blasphemed Prophet Mohammed.
On 20 April 2008, Muslim rioters in the city of Kano burned the shops and vehicles of Christian merchants after one allegedly disparaged Prophet Mohammed.
On 9 February 2008, a Muslim mob rioted in the town of Sumaila in Kano state. The mob acted upon the alleged distribution of a leaflet that allegedly slandered Prophet Mohammed. The mob killed a Christian police inspector and two civilians, and wounded twenty others. The mob set fire to vehicles and destroyed the police station.
In October 2007, a sharia court convicted Sani Kabili, a Christian and a father of six, of the town of Kano, of blasphemy against Prophet Mohammed. The court sentenced Kabili to three years in prison. In February 2009, an appeal court overturned the conviction.
On 28 September 2007, a Muslim mob rioted at Tudun Wada in Kano state. The mob killed nine Christians, burned several churches, and destroyed the homes and businesses of some non-Muslims. The Muslims complained that Christian students had drawn a picture of Prophet Mohammed. The Christians reported that the violence erupted after they had prevented one of their number from converting
to Islam.On 14 July 1999, in the village of Randali in Kebbi state, a Muslim mob beheaded Abdullahi Umaru. The mob accused Umaru of blasphemy against Prophet Mohammed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_Nigeria
And what of the riots and murders committed by thousands of Muslims on account of the Muhammad cartoons? What of the murder of those in Europe for speaking against Muhammad? You speak falsely and deny reality, Bod.
In a city near us, a man lost his magazine business by Muslim lawsuit when he published a picture of Muhammad wearing bombs in his turban, which, in all reality is truth. But a mullah was “insulted” and complained.
They use Jesus Christ’s Name in vain all the time, everywhere, “Christians” included, but true Christians do not slaughter, slander, slice, spit, or sue, because they are children of God, while Muhammad and his followers are children of Allah, and do slaughter, slander, slice, spit, and sue. It is their way, the way of death. It is their way of idolatry, worshipping their hero prophet, the murderous pedophile and rapist, Muhammad. Are you a pedophile, Bod? Not a problem for you, right? After all, Muhammad, your prophet did it, so it must be right!
Quote They worship “Allah,” a devil or devilish invention of that man. They worship a stone in Mecca. They worship Mecca. They worship their religion and a form of worship. They worship hatred and victimhood. They worship the carnal appetites as their reward in heaven. They worship death, the vehicle to their supposed reward. Above all, they worship all these things because they worship themselves, which is at the heart of all idolatry. For this reason, you are a great idolater and antiChrist, because you have replaced Christ as your lord and savior. WOW! You really are without knowledge, so I won't say that you are lying because that would mean you are aware of the truth and not speaking it but the fact is you are completely unaware of the truth, to Worship anything other than God including Christ would be a sin.
You worship Christ which is the image of a MAN
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Romans 1:22-24For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Romans 8:2-4Are you saying that God can take on SIN, that God can BEAR sin? You are FAR from the truth. Do you realize you are calling God CURSED or A CURSE
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Galatians 3:12-14Now learn:
And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.
Leviticus 24:14-16Have you know sense?
I have known sense, Bod, which God has graciously granted me through Jesus Christ, in order that I might be able to tell you the truth about Him and yourself.
You are wrong again, dead wrong because dead in your sins. We don’t know Christ after the flesh:
2 Corinthians 5:14-16 EMTV
(14) For the love of Christ compels us, having concluded this: that if One died for all, then all died;
(15) and He died for all, so that they who live should live no longer for themselves, but for the One who died for them and rose again.
(16) Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.We know Christ as God, the eternal Spirit and Creator of all.
Are we saying God can take on sin, bearing it for us? You bet we are! And that’s the only way for your salvation, because you surely can’t reconcile yourself to God by your own works. And we aren’t the only ones saying these things; it’s the testimony of His saints from the beginning:
“Who His Own self bare our sins in His Own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by Whose stripes you were healed. For you were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls” (1 Peter 2:24-25 KJV).
As for your charge or implication that Christ was cursing God by being made a curse for us, you completely miss the point. Christ wasn’t cursing God at all. He was cursed, taking on our punishment though He was guiltless, having never sinned.
You lack a sense of right and wrong because Muhammad teaches you not to distinguish between doing wrong and being wronged – big difference.
Quote Quote from our paper: “5) Muhammad did not come pronouncing the only Name given to men whereby they must be saved, which is Jesus Christ and not Allah.” Bod: “Behold! the angels said: O Mary! allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to allah.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45)“O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of allah aught but the truth. christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for allah is one allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is allah as a Disposer of affairs.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)“In blasphemy indeed are those that say that allah is christ the son of Mary. Say: Who then hath the least power against allah, if His will were to destroy christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every – one that is on the earth? For to allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For allah hath power over all things.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #17)”Me: These Koranic verses only prove our point. The Koran denies Jesus Christ is God, by which it proves that “Allah” is not God, but a devil impersonating God.
Yes Jesus Christ is not God and I will repent today if you show me a single verse where Jesus himself says(not implies) “I am God, Worship Me”
This is in print and has no expiration so scour the entire contents of the bible and use every translation but you will never find it EVER because it is not true. But what the scriptures do say is:
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 17:3-5Now I ask you, who is Jesus talking about glorifying and who gave Jesus work to do?
Have you no sense!? receive admonishment
God took on human form, living as a human being should, Bod. He was made just like us, to accomplish for us what we are unable to do because of our sin. We are made to glorify God on earth, and Jesus Christ is the Way that happens. There is no other way. Islam is a false way, promising p
aradise, but delivering men into hell, here on earth. Who can deny that?As for your offer to repent, it is worthless. Only the revelation of Jesus Christ and His repentance is worthy. Your problem is that you are completely in your own works and righteousness, taught by the “prophet” Muhammad, but which the prophet Isaiah said is like used menstrual pads in the sight of God:
“But we are all as the unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as a menstruation cloth. And we all fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away” (Isaiah 64:6 MKJV).
Nevertheless, I will answer your challenge. Jesus did indeed testify of Who He was, and all those who heard Him understood what He was saying. They demonstrated this understanding by killing Him for saying it, just as you do:
Mark 14:61-64 EMTV
(61) But He kept silent and answered nothing. Again the high priest was questioning Him, saying to Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?”
(62) And Jesus said, “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”
(63) Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, “What further need do we have of witnesses?
(64) You have heard the blasphemy! How does it appear to you?” And they all condemned Him to be deserving of death.Neither did Jesus correct their understanding, but submitted Himself to death for the truth’s sake. There is the difference between Christ and Muhammad. Christ dies for those who hate the truth, while Muhammad kills those who speak the truth. Big difference, Bod. We bring life, while you promote death.
Quote Quote from our paper: “6) When the prophet like Moses comes, it will be at the return of Christ to restore all things, as prophesied by Peter on the day the disciples received the Spirit of Christ (Pentecost):” Bod: “'And this is the witness of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who are you? And he confessed and did not deny, but confessed, I am not the Christ. And they asked him, What then? Are you Elijah? And he says, I am not. Are you that prophet? And he answered, No'
(John 1:19-21 MKJV).“Who is that Prophet?”
Me: Right. John wasn’t that prophet. But he was a prophet of God, whereas Muhammad was not. Read “Who is that Prophet? Part 2” http://thepathoftruth.com/teachings/thatprophet2.htm
Bod: “————–
“Peace and blessings upon Jesus The Christ forever, He puts no partners with God and worships Our Father as The Only True God.”Me: Jesus Christ is the Creator, the Father, the One Who was with Israel in the wilderness:
“And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ” (1 Corinthians 10:4 KJV)
Who is from before Abraham:
“Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham came into being, I AM!” (John 8:58 MKJV)
This was in the foreknowledge of God:
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Jeremiah 1:4-6No difference.
The difference, as pointed out several times now, is that Christ is the Creator, and Jeremiah a creature, along with the rest of us whom He foreknew:
Ephesians 1:3-6 EMTV
(3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenlies in Christ,
(4) just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him in love,
(5) having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
(6) to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He bestowed favor upon us in the Beloved.Quote And Whom all men will worship: Philippians 2:5-11 MKJV
(5) For let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
(6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God,
(7) but made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Himself the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men.
(8) And being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
(9) Therefore God has highly exalted Him, and has given Him a Name which is above every name,
(10) that at the Name of Jesus every knee should bow, of heavenly ones, and of earthly ones, and of ones under the earth;
(11) and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.Paul can something that is equal to something else be that same thing? OF COURSE NOT for something to EQUAL there must be two things and not one. Christ is not God just like man being made in the image of God did not make man God.
Also why do you seem to not notice that it says “TO THE GLORY OF THE FATHER” and not to the Glory of Christ. Receive Admonishment you and Victor
If you want to expose false teaching expose yourself first and then expose others
We can safely say this, Bod: Anybody equal to God is going to have to be nothing less than God Himself! You limit God according to your limited mind. He can manifest Himself anyway He chooses, just as He appeared in human form to Abraham, Jacob, and Joshua, for three examples.
No, my friend, it is you who is being exposed here, by the Light Who exposed us in our time, bringing us needed repentance and correction, and true enlightenment and liberation thereafter, enabling us to speak the Truth to you, as we do today.
The glory of the Father is the glory of Christ:
“And now Father, glorify Me with Yourself with the glory which I had with You before the world was” (John 17:5 MKJV).
“For it is God Who said, ‘Out of darkness Light shall shine;’ Who shone in our hearts to give the brightness of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ” (2 Corinthians 4:6 MKJV).
“…looking for the blessed hope, and the appearance of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ” (Titus 2:13 MKJV).
“But grow in grace and in knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen” (2 Peter 3:18 MKJV).
We speak truth to you that the vast majority of those professing faith in Christ do not have. That is because we know Jesus Christ, while they do not. We are hated in nominal Christendom for the truth of the One God, which comes against the heathen trinity abomination. Unlike devils, however, who also believe in one God, we love and obey Him and are at one with Him, by His unmerited favor.
You have no idea how fortunate you could be, if you were given to know these things spoken to you now.
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Hi Bod, Paul here, the one who wrote the paper Dennison quoted from to start off this thread. I have replied to your comments, below:This is an extremely long an unclear objection to what I stated but for the sake of not allowing you some sort of ego boost I will dredge through it.
Ok, let’s see what you dredged up. Your replies are in red. My replies to you are in black.
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Quote from our paper, “Who Is That Prophet? Part 1”: “1) Muhammad was not from among the brethren of Israel.”Bod: “‘And he (Ishmael) shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.’ (Genesis 16:12)
“‘And he (Ishmael) died in the presence of all his brethren.’ (Genesis 25:18)
“The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. Likewise, Muhammad is from among the brethren of the Israelites, because he was a descendant of Ishmael the son of Abraham.”
Me: That’s not what the Scripture I quoted says (Romans 9:7). Muhammad was not a Jew, according to God’s definition, either in the flesh or the spirit.
Faulty point because Abraham was not a Jew either
Wrong: Jesus said to the Jews:
“Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and He saw and was glad”
(John 8:56 MKJV).Jesus’ brother in the flesh, James, said this:
“Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?” (James 2:21 MKJV).
Paul said this:
“For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that outwardly in flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is of the heart; in spirit and not in letter; whose praise is not from men, but from God” (Romans 2:28-29 MKJV).
That makes Abraham a Jew too, and establishes his credential as the father of the Jews.
Paul also said this:
“Because if you confess the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved” (Romans 10:9 MKJV).
Muhammad did not confess Christ risen from the dead. He was neither saved nor circumcised in the heart. He was not a Jew like his earthly father Abraham.
Quote As for Ishmael dwelling in the presence of his brethren, those with whom he dwelt weren’t the brothers of Isaac and his son, Israel. Neither did Ishmael live in their presence. He was sent away and became another people, as God said to Abraham: “And as for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall father twelve chiefs, and I will make him a great nation. But I will establish My covenant with Isaac, whom Sarah shall bear to you at this set time in the next year” (Genesis 17:20-21 MKJV).
False! Isaac and Ishmael buried Abraham together
His sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah near Mamre, in the field of Ephron son of Zohar the Hittite,
Genesis 25:8-10I understand that you may not know some of these things but be patient
Half brothers that have nothing to do with one another will often come together for a common parent’s funeral, as is the case here. This tidbit offers no support for your point. The Scriptures make clear that Ishmael was not part of God’s covenant with Abraham through his son Isaac:
“And they are not all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, In Isaac will Your seed be named” (Romans 9:7 BBE).
I am patient, but can you be reasonable? We have found that impossible for Muhammad’s spiritual children, because he was not a man who cared for the truth, so how will his children escape this legacy, unless they turn from him and come to the truth, Jesus Christ?
“Jesus said to him, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but by Me” (John 14:6 MKJV).
Quote Quote from our paper: “2) Muhammad did no signs and miracles, while Moses did many.” Bod: “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matthew 24:23-25”
Me: So what? Just because there are the false that do great signs, doesn’t mean there aren’t the true who do great miracles, which you seem to be implying.
God established Moses in the sight of Israel through many miraculous works, whereas Muhammad had none. And this is just one of many fundamental and crucial differences between Moses and Muhammad, as listed in the article.
Moses and Muhammad both had Human parents both were at one time orphans, both were warriors and brought law, neither of them were called the son of God or the Messiah. Jesus is Unique and was a Spirit that procceded from God and HIS word. Moses was much more like Muhammad than Jesus
To debate properly, you first need to know what you are answering. Otherwise, you are prone to assuming and making things up that we haven’t said, leading the discussion astray, as you do here. We never said Jesus is “that prophet,” and we don’t believe it. In fact, we publicly say and teach otherwise, based on the testimony of the Scriptures and revelation from God.
As for your suggestions of similarities that would qualify Muhammad as the prophet like Moses, I will answer each of those:
1) “Both had human parents.” Agreed. That eliminates the one and only Son of Man, God in the flesh, and leaves us with the rest of humanity as possible candidates.
2) “Both were at one time orphans” – What relevance would this have to qualifying God’s chosen servant like Moses, besides which, Moses was never an orphan. He was “put up for adoption” under unusual circumstances, in an unusual way, but was never without parents. And the fact is that he was nursed by his mother, as recruited by Pharaoh’s daughter.
3) “Both were warriors.” So were David and Goliath. Not only is this also irrelevant, but there is a world of difference in the kind of warfare Moses and Muhammad engaged in or commanded. Read http://thepathoftruth.com/teachings/godandviolence.htm
4) Both “brought law.” The Law, having been established by God through Moses, was no longer necessary “to bring,” only to fulfill. No man was able to do that until Jesus Christ, Who fulfilled the Law perfectly, without sin, for the sake of all. Now those born of God through Christ can keep the Law by His resurrection power that overcame sin and death.
Furthermore, Muhammad, by adding to the Word of God, added plagues to those who follow him:
“You shall not add to the Word which I command you, neither shall you take away from it, so that you may keep the commands of the LO
RD your God which I command you” (Deuteronomy 4:2 MKJV).“For I testify together to everyone who hears the Words of the prophecy of this Book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add on him the plagues that have been written in this Book” (Revelation 22:18 MKJV).
One example: Muhammad, like the Catholic Church and its popes, tried to change the Sabbath to another day (one can only try, but can’t change anything God has sanctified).
Quote Quote from our paper: “3) Muhammad allegedly heard from the angel Gabriel, and by his own admission, did not claim to speak face to face with God as Moses had ('whom the LORD knew face to face').” Bod: “This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush.
Acts 7:34-36“And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush.
Acts 7:29-31″Me: What is your point? By Whose hand do you think Moses delivered the children of Israel? It was by God’s hand:
Angels are the messengers of God and if you believe thet Bible No man has seen God at anytime but then again the Bible does claim that some have seen God so did they or didn't they? The bible is not clear on the issue.
I have proved to you that the Angel of the Lord Who appeared to Moses in the bush was YHWH. You have not replied to that proof, so there is nothing more for me to say about it, except that you still lack a positive proof of Muhammad as “that prophet,” because Muhammad didn’t speak with God face to face, as Moses did.
Quote Our point is that not only did Muhammad not hear from God or speak with Him face to face, he also never heard from the angel Gabriel. The angel Gabriel told Mary the following: “He shall be great and shall be called the Son of the Highest” (Luke 1:32 MKJV).
“And the angel answered and said to her, The Holy Spirit shall come on you, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you. Therefore also that Holy One which will be born of you shall be called Son of God” (Luke 1:35 MKJV).
Jesus is “called” the son of God, notice the Angel did not say that Jesus IS the son of God that's because being called the son of God has nothing to do with procreation and everything to do with being Pious, you simply don't understand the usage of language in the day all of Israel is called the Son of God:
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
Exodus 4:21-23Now if Jesus is the only begotten son and Israel is the firstborn then you have some explaining to do unless Jesus is All of Israel. I will explain these things to you if you will listen.
The point here is that Muhammad denies God came in the flesh, which coming in the flesh is what Gabriel was announcing to Mary. Muhammad claims that Gabriel gave him his revelations, but his revelations are in direct conflict with the truth, so we know that Muhammad and his spiritual messenger are liars.
There is a difference between the children of God, which started with Adam, and the only begotten Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ, which also answers your quandary:
“No one has seen God at any time; the Only-begotten Son, Who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him” (John 1:18 MKJV).
Quote But the entity that Muhammad heard from told him that God has no Son. From the Koran: This should not even be a problem for you because you don't believe that God has a son either you believe that God took up flesh, you believe that the Father is the Son and therefor if they are the same individul in your eyes you deny both the Father and the Son and that is actually what you do believe.
You say that Christ is God and that is Anti-Christ
Yes, the Father is the Son and the Son is the Father. Haven’t you heard?
“For to us a Child is born, to us a Son is given; and the government shall be on His shoulder; and His Name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6 MKJV).
How is worshipping someone as God “Anti-Christ”? You make no sense, Bod – quite illogical. Saying “Jesus Christ is God” is not antiChrist if Christ is God, which He is. For more Scriptural proof, see:
http://thepathoftruth.com/teachin….god.htmQuote The LORD (not “Allah”) is only one God. There are not three. And the LORD came in the flesh, as a human being, known as the Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ, Who was crucified and raised His Own body from the dead, proving He was God. See, I just told you that you believe that. You say that God came as a Human being and the scriptures say you are in complete error.
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.
Hosea 11:8-10Jesus says ALL power was GIVEN to him, who gives power to God? You are in complete error.
If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof.
Psalm 50:11-13But regarding Jesus it says:
Mark 11:12-14 (King James Version)
12And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry:
13And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet.
14And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it.Why did Jesus if he was/is God did not know that the figs were not in season and why did he curse the tree? If he was God the tree was already being obedient to the laws he set up. But, if he was not God it would make sense. Jesus is not God you are in complete error.
“The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is His Name” (Exodus 15:3 KJV).
Of Christ it is written:
“For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him: And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist” (Colossians 1:16-17 KJV).
God, in the form of Jesus Christ, overcame the sin nature that presently holds you captive, making the way by His overcoming for your eventual repentance, redemption, and submission to God. The risen Lord did indeed speak truly when He said all power was given to Him, and we are witnesses that this is so, being turned by Him to love and to worship God.
All of your objections are answered Bod, in the writing I just gave you, along with all the writings in the section Jesus Christ Is God (link above). But it is impossible for the carnal man to comprehend the t
ruth, especially one who has no interest whatsoever in understanding.Quote Therefore, if Muhammad heard from anything at all, then he heard from a devil, and not the angel Gabriel, who wouldn’t contradict his own words, lying against the truth and the One he serves. The devil has never denied that Jesus was called the son of God so you are alreay incorrect and Gabriel did not say that Jesus WAS the son of God but that HE WILL BE CALLED THE SON OF GOD. To say someone loves you like a son does not mean they had sex with your mother. If Jesus is the Son of God then Mary is the Mother of God, but you don't like that but that is the way it would be if it were true. Jesus is the son of Mary whom God blessed with a Miracle. God spoke Jesus into existence HE simply said “BE” and he was and he was the only person ever created with the Word of God for Adam was created from the earth and God breathed the breath of Life into him But Jesus was created by the Word of God. God said “BE” and Jesus was BE-Gotten and that WORD of GOD became flesh.
You are wrong in everything you say here, Bod. The reason you are wrong isn’t because you can’t think or reason, but because you are trying to explain God with your human mind. This is impossible, as God spoke through Isaiah:
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts” (Isaiah 55:8-9 KJV).
Satan did deny Jesus Christ as the Son of God. In fact, he tried to get Christ to worship him:
“Again, the Devil took Him up into a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. And he said to Him, All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me” (Matthew 4:8-9 MKJV).
Isn’t that like Muhammad, though he was more subtle about it, making himself a greater authority than Christ as “the last prophet”?
Gabriel did call Jesus the Son of God, even acknowledging Him as God Almighty:
“And he shall turn many of the sons of Israel to the Lord their God. And he shall go before Him [Jesus Christ, the Lord their God] in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord” (Luke 1:16-17 MKJV)
And finally, Jesus wasn’t created by the Word of God. He IS the Word of God, the Creator of all:
John 1:1-3 MKJV
(1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(2) He was in the beginning with God.
(3) All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.Quote Quote from our paper: “4) Surer yet are the fruits of Muhammad’s 'prophetic' office” Bod: “Eliminated Idol worship and Instilled the Monotheistic belief in ONE GOD”
Me: “You believe that there is one God, you do well; even the demons believe and tremble” (James 2:19 MKJV).
Belief in the one true God is not enough, but you have not even begun to do well, because you believe in an imposter, Allah, following his false prophet.
what you are saying is silly because there is NO god but GOD if you think ALLAH is a different God it is simply because you lack knowledge, which is okay you don't have to know everything at once. Christians and Pagans will call anything God and that's because they have a polytheistic Consciousness if you had a monotheistic consciousness you would find all this as amusing as I do, you will even call Satan “god of this world” How SILLY
John 10:34-38 MKJV
(34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your Law, “I said, You are gods?”
(35) If He called those gods with whom the Word of God was, and the Scripture cannot be broken,
(36) do you say of Him whom the Father has sanctified and sent into the world, You blaspheme, because I said, I am the Son of God?
(37) If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me.
(38) But if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works so that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.Quote Worshipping a false god, the Muslims have many idols. Like all unregenerate men without Christ, they worship anything but God. For starters, they worship a man who is not God. False it is forbidden to worship anything but ALLAH in Islam and no one worshipd Muhammad:
muhammad is no more than an apostle: many Were the apostle that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then Turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah. but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #144)So you were completely misguided there
I am not misguided, but you are misguiding. The specifics of the “blasphemy law” in Pakistan were recently brought to our attention. Does this law proscribe punishment for blasphemy against God? No, it sentences people to death for blaspheming against Mohammad. How hypocritical of Muslims to say that Christians are idolaters, worshipping a man, when they put people to death for speaking a word against their alleged prophet!
In vivid contrast, here is what Jesus Christ said about Himself and how God viewed blasphemy:
“And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him. But to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven” (Luke 12:10 MKJV).
And Pakistan isn’t the only example of this egregious idolatry. There are many others. Here is what has been happening in Nigeria, for example:
On 19 June 2009, a Muslim mob in the town of Sara in Jigawa state burned a police outpost and injured about twelve persons over an alleged blasphemy against Prophet Mohammed. The mob complained that someone was distributing blasphemous pamphlets, and it demanded that the police give up a man who had sought safety at the police outpost.
On 9 August 2008, a Muslim mob in Kano state beat to death a fifty-year-old Muslim man who blasphemed Prophet Mohammed.
On 20 April 2008, Muslim rioters in the city of Kano burned the shops and vehicles of Christian merchants after one allegedly disparaged Prophet Mohammed.
On 9 February 2008, a Muslim mob rioted in the town of Sumaila in Kano state. The mob acted upon the alleged distribution of a leaflet that allegedly slandered Prophet Mohammed. The mob killed a Christian police inspector and two civilians, and wounded twenty others. The mob set fire to vehicles and destroyed the police station.
In October 2007, a sharia court convicted Sani Kabili, a Christian and a father of six, of the town of Kano, of blasphemy against Prophet Mohammed. The court sentenced Kabili to three years in prison. In February 2009, an appeal court overturned the conviction.
On 28 September 2007, a Muslim mob rioted at Tudun Wada in Kano state. The mob killed nine Christians, burned several churches, and destroyed the homes and busine
sses of some non-Muslims. The Muslims complained that Christian students had drawn a picture of Prophet Mohammed. The Christians reported that the violence erupted after they had prevented one of their number from converting to Islam.On 14 July 1999, in the village of Randali in Kebbi state, a Muslim mob beheaded Abdullahi Umaru. The mob accused Umaru of blasphemy against Prophet Mohammed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_Nigeria
And what of the riots and murders committed by thousands of Muslims on account of the Muhammad cartoons? What of the murder of those in Europe for speaking against Muhammad? You speak falsely and deny reality, Bod.
In a city near us, a man lost his magazine business by Muslim lawsuit when he published a picture of Muhammad wearing bombs in his turban, which, in all reality is truth. But a mullah was “insulted” and complained.
They use Jesus Christ’s Name in vain all the time, everywhere, “Christians” included, but true Christians do not slaughter, slander, slice, spit, or sue, because they are children of God, while Muhammad and his followers are children of Allah, and do slaughter, slander, slice, spit, and sue. It is their way, the way of death. It is their way of idolatry, worshipping their hero prophet, the murderous pedophile and rapist, Muhammad. Are you a pedophile, Bod? Not a problem for you, right? After all, Muhammad, your prophet did it, so it must be right!
Quote They worship “Allah,” a devil or devilish invention of that man. They worship a stone in Mecca. They worship Mecca. They worship their religion and a form of worship. They worship hatred and victimhood. They worship the carnal appetites as their reward in heaven. They worship death, the vehicle to their supposed reward. Above all, they worship all these things because they worship themselves, which is at the heart of all idolatry. For this reason, you are a great idolater and antiChrist, because you have replaced Christ as your lord and savior. WOW! You really are without knowledge, so I won't say that you are lying because that would mean you are aware of the truth and not speaking it but the fact is you are completely unaware of the truth, to Worship anything other than God including Christ would be a sin.
You worship Christ which is the image of a MAN
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Romans 1:22-24For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Romans 8:2-4Are you saying that God can take on SIN, that God can BEAR sin? You are FAR from the truth. Do you realize you are calling God CURSED or A CURSE
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Galatians 3:12-14Now learn:
And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.
Leviticus 24:14-16Have you know sense?
I have known sense, Bod, which God has graciously granted me through Jesus Christ, in order that I might be able to tell you the truth about Him and yourself.
You are wrong again, dead wrong because dead in your sins. We don’t know Christ after the flesh:
2 Corinthians 5:14-16 EMTV
(14) For the love of Christ compels us, having concluded this: that if One died for all, then all died;
(15) and He died for all, so that they who live should live no longer for themselves, but for the One who died for them and rose again.
(16) Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.We know Christ as God, the eternal Spirit and Creator of all.
Are we saying God can take on sin, bearing it for us? You bet we are! And that’s the only way for your salvation, because you surely can’t reconcile yourself to God by your own works. And we aren’t the only ones saying these things; it’s the testimony of His saints from the beginning:
“Who His Own self bare our sins in His Own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by Whose stripes you were healed. For you were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls” (1 Peter 2:24-25 KJV).
As for your charge or implication that Christ was cursing God by being made a curse for us, you completely miss the point. Christ wasn’t cursing God at all. He was cursed, taking on our punishment though He was guiltless, having never sinned.
You lack a sense of right and wrong because Muhammad teaches you not to distinguish between doing wrong and being wronged – big difference.
Quote Quote from our paper: “5) Muhammad did not come pronouncing the only Name given to men whereby they must be saved, which is Jesus Christ and not Allah.” Bod: “Behold! the angels said: O Mary! allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to allah.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45)“O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of allah aught but the truth. christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for allah is one allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is allah as a Disposer of affairs.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)“In blasphemy indeed are those that say that allah is christ the son of Mary. Say: Who then hath the least power against allah, if His will were to destroy christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every – one that is on the earth? For to allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For allah hath power over all things.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #17)”Me: These Koranic verses only prove our point. The Koran denies Jesus Christ is God, by which it proves that “Allah” is not God, but a devil impersonating God.
Yes Jesus Christ is not God and I will repent today if you show me a single verse where Jesus himself says(not implies) “I am God, Worship Me”
This is in print and has no expiration so scour the entire contents of the bible and use every translation but you will never find it EVER because it is not true. But what the scriptures do say is:
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 17:3-5Now I ask you, who is Jesus talking about glorifying and who gave Jesus work to do?
Have you no sense!? receive admonishment
God took on human form, living as a human being should, Bod. He
was made just like us, to accomplish for us what we are unable to do because of our sin. We are made to glorify God on earth, and Jesus Christ is the Way that happens. There is no other way. Islam is a false way, promising paradise, but delivering men into hell, here on earth. Who can deny that?As for your offer to repent, it is worthless. Only the revelation of Jesus Christ and His repentance is worthy. Your problem is that you are completely in your own works and righteousness, taught by the “prophet” Muhammad, but which the prophet Isaiah said is like used menstrual pads in the sight of God:
“But we are all as the unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as a menstruation cloth. And we all fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away” (Isaiah 64:6 MKJV).
Nevertheless, I will answer your challenge. Jesus did indeed testify of Who He was, and all those who heard Him understood what He was saying. They demonstrated this understanding by killing Him for saying it, just as you do:
Mark 14:61-64 EMTV
(61) But He kept silent and answered nothing. Again the high priest was questioning Him, saying to Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?”
(62) And Jesus said, “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”
(63) Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, “What further need do we have of witnesses?
(64) You have heard the blasphemy! How does it appear to you?” And they all condemned Him to be deserving of death.Neither did Jesus correct their understanding, but submitted Himself to death for the truth’s sake. There is the difference between Christ and Muhammad. Christ dies for those who hate the truth, while Muhammad kills those who speak the truth. Big difference, Bod. We bring life, while you promote death.
Quote Quote from our paper: “6) When the prophet like Moses comes, it will be at the return of Christ to restore all things, as prophesied by Peter on the day the disciples received the Spirit of Christ (Pentecost):” Bod: “'And this is the witness of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who are you? And he confessed and did not deny, but confessed, I am not the Christ. And they asked him, What then? Are you Elijah? And he says, I am not. Are you that prophet? And he answered, No'
(John 1:19-21 MKJV).“Who is that Prophet?”
Me: Right. John wasn’t that prophet. But he was a prophet of God, whereas Muhammad was not. Read “Who is that Prophet? Part 2” http://thepathoftruth.com/teachings/thatprophet2.htm
Bod: “————–
“Peace and blessings upon Jesus The Christ forever, He puts no partners with God and worships Our Father as The Only True God.”Me: Jesus Christ is the Creator, the Father, the One Who was with Israel in the wilderness:
“And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ” (1 Corinthians 10:4 KJV)
Who is from before Abraham:
“Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham came into being, I AM!” (John 8:58 MKJV)
This was in the foreknowledge of God:
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Jeremiah 1:4-6No difference.
The difference, as pointed out several times now, is that Christ is the Creator, and Jeremiah a creature, along with the rest of us whom He foreknew:
Ephesians 1:3-6 EMTV
(3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenlies in Christ,
(4) just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him in love,
(5) having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
(6) to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He bestowed favor upon us in the Beloved.Quote And Whom all men will worship: Philippians 2:5-11 MKJV
(5) For let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
(6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God,
(7) but made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Himself the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men.
(8) And being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
(9) Therefore God has highly exalted Him, and has given Him a Name which is above every name,
(10) that at the Name of Jesus every knee should bow, of heavenly ones, and of earthly ones, and of ones under the earth;
(11) and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.Paul can something that is equal to something else be that same thing? OF COURSE NOT for something to EQUAL there must be two things and not one. Christ is not God just like man being made in the image of God did not make man God.
Also why do you seem to not notice that it says “TO THE GLORY OF THE FATHER” and not to the Glory of Christ. Receive Admonishment you and Victor
If you want to expose false teaching expose yourself first and then expose others
We can safely say this, Bod: Anybody equal to God is going to have to be nothing less than God Himself! You limit God according to your limited mind. He can manifest Himself anyway He chooses, just as He appeared in human form to Abraham, Jacob, and Joshua, for three examples.
No, my friend, it is you who is being exposed here, by the Light Who exposed us in our time, bringing us needed repentance and correction, and true enlightenment and liberation thereafter, enabling us to speak the Truth to you, as we do today.
The glory of the Father is the glory of Christ:
“And now Father, glorify Me with Yourself with the glory which I had with You before the world was” (John 17:5 MKJV).
“For it is God Who said, ‘Out of darkness Light shall shine;’ Who shone in our hearts to give the brightness of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ” (2 Corinthians 4:6 MKJV).
“…looking for the blessed hope, and the appearance of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ” (Titus 2:13 MKJV).
“But grow in grace and in knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen” (2 Peter 3:18 MKJV).
We speak truth to you that the vast majority of those professing faith in Christ do not have. That is because we know Jesus Christ, while they do not. We are hated in nominal Christendom for the truth of the One God, which comes against the heathen trinity abomination. Unlike devils, however, who also believe in one God, we love and obey Him and are at one with Him, by His unmerited favor.
You have no idea how fortunate you could be, if you were given to know these things spoken to you now.
Paul,seriously you guys better hit the books Abraham would have never even heard of the word Jew and he was not a Jew because he was before there were Jews who were what was left of the children of Israel, was Abraham one of the Children of Israel? Receive ad
monishment and correct these foolish statements the next thing you will be saying is that Jesus was a Christian although he would have never heard the word. Jesus was a Jew, Abraham and Isaac were MOST CERTAINLY NOT A JEW nor could they be.Quote That makes Abraham a Jew too, and establishes his credential as the father of the Jews. Therein lies your ultimate confusion: to be Father of the Jews does not make Abraham a Jew nor does being the Father of Jesus make God “Jesus” it is a silly and uninformed statement.
If what you were saying was true that would mean that Adam was all religions it is silly.
Quote “Because if you confess the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved” (Romans 10:9 MKJV). You don't believe this because you believe that Jesus raised himself but can you not clearly see that “God” and “him” are two different beings?
Quote Muhammad did not confess Christ risen from the dead. He was neither saved nor circumcised in the heart. He was not a Jew like his earthly father Abraham. Abraham was not a Jew how come you do not understand this simple thing
Abraham was not a jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah.s (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #67)Quote “Jesus said to him, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but by Me” (John 14:6 MKJV). You don't believe that you believe that Jesus is the Father not the way to the Father
Quote To debate properly, you first need to know what you are answering. Otherwise, you are prone to assuming and making things up that we haven’t said, leading the discussion astray, as you do here. We never said Jesus is “that prophet,” and we don’t believe it. In fact, we publicly say and teach otherwise, based on the testimony of the Scriptures and revelation from God. Sorry, I understand now you are saying Victor is that prophet, why didn't you just say that?
Quote One example: Muhammad, like the Catholic Church and its popes, tried to change the Sabbath to another day (one can only try, but can’t change anything God has sanctified). False the sabbath is from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset
Quote No, my friend, it is you who is being exposed here, by the Light Who exposed us in our time, bringing us needed repentance and correction, and true enlightenment and liberation thereafter, enabling us to speak the Truth to you, as we do today. Light is the best disinfectant your correction has not been complete yet God willing we will take care of that
bod
you say;;Light is the best disinfectant your correction has not been complete yet God willing we will take care of that
what Paul commented in is quote ,BOD. this is only a fraction of a fraction of what Islam has done ,read the 200 first years of Islam ,
and it is a ongoing struggle every were ,it looks like Islam as a dead which.Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,14:20) bod you say;;Light is the best disinfectant your correction has not been complete yet God willing we will take care of that
what Paul commented in is quote ,BOD. this is only a fraction of a fraction of what Islam has done ,read the 200 first years of Islam ,
and it is a ongoing struggle every were ,it looks like Islam as a dead which.Pierre
Why does the Quran say to worship the God of Abraham?Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 28 2010,22:25) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,14:20) bod you say;;Light is the best disinfectant your correction has not been complete yet God willing we will take care of that
what Paul commented in is quote ,BOD. this is only a fraction of a fraction of what Islam has done ,read the 200 first years of Islam ,
and it is a ongoing struggle every were ,it looks like Islam as a dead which.Pierre
Why does the Quran say to worship the God of Abraham?
bodyou never answer the questions,or show that i am wrong ,so i assume that you agree with me of what i say,
you say;Why does the Quran say to worship the God of Abraham?(AND HIS NAME IS ALLAH RIGHT??)
and so it is with the deceivers,always try to represent truth in a deceitful way,
by using the reputation of a righteous man of old,
the Koran is not one sentence but a book of false spirit,show us that it is not that way?
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,15:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 28 2010,22:25) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,14:20) bod you say;;Light is the best disinfectant your correction has not been complete yet God willing we will take care of that
what Paul commented in is quote ,BOD. this is only a fraction of a fraction of what Islam has done ,read the 200 first years of Islam ,
and it is a ongoing struggle every were ,it looks like Islam as a dead which.Pierre
Why does the Quran say to worship the God of Abraham?
bodyou never answer the questions,or show that i am wrong ,so i assume that you agree with me of what i say,
you say;Why does the Quran say to worship the God of Abraham?(AND HIS NAME IS ALLAH RIGHT??)
and so it is with the deceivers,always try to represent truth in a deceitful way,
by using the reputation of a righteous man of old,
the Koran is not one sentence but a book of false spirit,show us that it is not that way?
Pierre
The name is Allah in Arabic but let's say if you did not use any name but I said worship the God of Abraham and you worship the God of Abraham, then what's the problem when I say Worship the same God that Jesus worships then what's the problem, whn I say pray to the same God that Moses and Jesus prayed to what's the Problem?In their day do you think these people even heard of the word “God”? It is a german word Jesus would have never heard of that word “God” but you are use to it so you accept it. Did you know that Jesus was saying he worships “Alaha” which was the language that Jesus was using because he spoke Aramaic. Receive Admonishment and don't be a disbeliever.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 28 2010,23:05) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,15:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 28 2010,22:25) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,14:20) bod you say;;Light is the best disinfectant your correction has not been complete yet God willing we will take care of that
what Paul commented in is quote ,BOD. this is only a fraction of a fraction of what Islam has done ,read the 200 first years of Islam ,
and it is a ongoing struggle every were ,it looks like Islam as a dead which.Pierre
Why does the Quran say to worship the God of Abraham?
bodyou never answer the questions,or show that i am wrong ,so i assume that you agree with me of what i say,
you say;Why does the Quran say to worship the God of Abraham?(AND HIS NAME IS ALLAH RIGHT??)
and so it is with the deceivers,always try to represent truth in a deceitful way,
by using the reputation of a righteous man of old,
the Koran is not one sentence but a book of false spirit,show us that it is not that way?
Pierre
The name is Allah in Arabic but let's say if you did not use any name but I said worship the God of Abraham and you worship the God of Abraham, then what's the problem when I say Worship the same God that Jesus worships then what's the problem, whn I say pray to the same God that Moses and Jesus prayed to what's the Problem?In their day do you think these people even heard of the word “God”? It is a german word Jesus would have never heard of that word “God” but you are use to it so you accept it. Did you know that Jesus was saying he worships “Alaha” which was the language that Jesus was using because he spoke Aramaic. Receive Admonishment and don't be a disbeliever.
bodyou word is not good enough you have to present facts not
your deceitful lips,
you are not Christ so you have to prove the answers
but you will not ,because you can not because there is not one good deed in your prophet of Islam.
if you do not believe what i say show it to us , so we may learn.
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,16:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 28 2010,23:05) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,15:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 28 2010,22:25) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,14:20) bod you say;;Light is the best disinfectant your correction has not been complete yet God willing we will take care of that
what Paul commented in is quote ,BOD. this is only a fraction of a fraction of what Islam has done ,read the 200 first years of Islam ,
and it is a ongoing struggle every were ,it looks like Islam as a dead which.Pierre
Why does the Quran say to worship the God of Abraham?
bodyou never answer the questions,or show that i am wrong ,so i assume that you agree with me of what i say,
you say;Why does the Quran say to worship the God of Abraham?(AND HIS NAME IS ALLAH RIGHT??)
and so it is with the deceivers,always try to represent truth in a deceitful way,
by using the reputation of a righteous man of old,
the Koran is not one sentence but a book of false spirit,show us that it is not that way?
Pierre
The name is Allah in Arabic but let's say if you did not use any name but I said worship the God of Abraham and you worship the God of Abraham, then what's the problem when I say Worship the same God that Jesus worships then what's the problem, whn I say pray to the same God that Moses and Jesus prayed to what's the Problem?In their day do you think these people even heard of the word “God”? It is a german word Jesus would have never heard of that word “God” but you are use to it so you accept it. Did you know that Jesus was saying he worships “Alaha” which was the language that Jesus was using because he spoke Aramaic. Receive Admonishment and don't be a disbeliever.
bodyou word is not good enough you have to present facts not
your deceitful lips,
you are not Christ so you have to prove the answers
but you will not ,because you can not because there is not one good deed in your prophet of Islam.
if you do not believe what i say show it to us , so we may learn.
Pierre
I have shown you much but you do not want to see it, your hate blinds you.Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 29 2010,04:29) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,16:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 28 2010,23:05) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,15:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 28 2010,22:25) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,14:20) bod you say;;Light is the best disinfectant your correction has not been complete yet God willing we will take care of that
what Paul commented in is quote ,BOD. this is only a fraction of a fraction of what Islam has done ,read the 200 first years of Islam ,
and it is a ongoing struggle every were ,it looks like Islam as a dead which.Pierre
Why does the Quran say to worship the God of Abraham?
bodyou never answer the questions,or show that i am wrong ,so i assume that you agree with me of what i say,
you say;Why does the Quran say to worship the God of Abraham?(AND HIS NAME IS ALLAH RIGHT??)
and so it is with the deceivers,always try to represent truth in a deceitful way,
by using the reputation of a righteous man of old,
the Koran is not one sentence but a book of false spirit,show us that it is not that way?
Pierre
The name is Allah in Arabic but let's say if you did not use any name but I said worship the God of Abraham and you worship the God of Abraham, then what's the problem when I say Worship the same God that Jesus worships then what's the problem, whn I say pray to the same God that Moses and Jesus prayed to what's the Problem?In their day do you think these people even heard of the word “God”? It is a german word Jesus would have never heard of that word “God” but you are use to it so you accept it. Did you know that Jesus was saying he worships “Alaha” which was the language that Jesus was using because he spoke Aramaic. Receive Admonishment and don't be a disbeliever.
bodyou word is not good enough you have to present facts not
your deceitful lips,
you are not Christ so you have to prove the answers
but you will not ,because you can not because there is not one good deed in your prophet of Islam.
if you do not believe what i say show it to us , so we may learn.
Pierre
I have shown you much but you do not want to see it, your hate blinds you.
bodNO YOU DID NOT ANSWER ANYTHING,YOUR STATMENT IS FALSE AND YOU ARE TO.
THERE IS NO MORE DISCUSION WITH YOU ,YOU NEVER ANSWER ,
YOU ARE WHAT WE WOULD CALL A UNTRUE PERSON ,WHOS BELIEVES DO NOT SUPPORT THE TRUTH OF THE God OF ABRAHAM,AND JESUS.THAT MAKE YOU TO SUPPORT THE OPPOSITION TO GOD JEHOVAH.
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 29 2010,05:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 29 2010,04:29) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,16:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 28 2010,23:05) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,15:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 28 2010,22:25) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,14:20) bod you say;;Light is the best disinfectant your correction has not been complete yet God willing we will take care of that
what Paul commented in is quote ,BOD. this is only a fraction of a fraction of what Islam has done ,read the 200 first years of Islam ,
and it is a ongoing struggle every were ,it looks like Islam as a dead which.Pierre
Why does the Quran say to worship the God of Abraham?
bodyou never answer the questions,or show that i am wrong ,so i assume that you agree with me of what i say,
you say;Why does the Quran say to worship the God of Abraham?(AND HIS NAME IS ALLAH RIGHT??)
and so it is with the deceivers,always try to represent truth in a deceitful way,
by using the reputation of a righteous man of old,
the Koran is not one sentence but a book of false spirit,show us that it is not that way?
Pierre
The name is Allah in Arabic but let's say if you did not use any name but I said worship the God of Abraham and you worship the God of Abraham, then what's the problem when I say Worship the same God that Jesus worships then what's the problem, whn I say pray to the same God that Moses and Jesus prayed to what's the Problem?In their day do you think these people even heard of the word “God”? It is a german word Jesus would have never heard of that word “God” but you are use to it so you accept it. Did you know that Jesus was saying he worships “Alaha” which was the language that Jesus was using because he spoke Aramaic. Receive Admonishment and don't be a disbeliever.
bodyou word is not good enough you have to present facts not
your deceitful lips,
you are not Christ so you have to prove the answers
but you will not ,because you can not because there is not one good deed in your prophet of Islam.
if you do not believe what i say show it to us , so we may learn.
Pierre
I have shown you much but you do not want to see it, your hate blinds you.
bodNO YOU DID NOT ANSWER ANYTHING,YOUR STATMENT IS FALSE AND YOU ARE TO.
THERE IS NO MORE DISCUSION WITH YOU ,YOU NEVER ANSWER ,
YOU ARE WHAT WE WOULD CALL A UNTRUE PERSON ,WHOS BELIEVES DO NOT SUPPORT THE TRUTH OF THE God OF ABRAHAM,AND JESUS.THAT MAKE YOU TO SUPPORT THE OPPOSITION TO GOD JEHOVAH.
Pierre
If I am clearly telling you that I love Jehovah, Yahweh, YHVH i.e. The God of Abraham, Elohim, Eloha, EL Shaddai, Alaha, Allah why do you keep saying that I don't?The reason is you think those are all different Gods but they are all the same. Different languages don't create different entities.
Do you believe that Jesus is the Christ? What about Yeshua or Joshua or Isa or Iesous or YAHshua
most people should get their mind out of Babylon and understand that the languages were created to confuse men so that they may learn to respect God Almighty and not make a special name unto themselves
Genesis 11:3-9 (King James Version)
3And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
4And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
5And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
6And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
8So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
9Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 29 2010,12:54) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 29 2010,05:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 29 2010,04:29) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,16:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 28 2010,23:05) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,15:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 28 2010,22:25) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,14:20) bod you say;;Light is the best disinfectant your correction has not been complete yet God willing we will take care of that
what Paul commented in is quote ,BOD. this is only a fraction of a fraction of what Islam has done ,read the 200 first years of Islam ,
and it is a ongoing struggle every were ,it looks like Islam as a dead which.Pierre
Why does the Quran say to worship the God of Abraham?
bodyou never answer the questions,or show that i am wrong ,so i assume that you agree with me of what i say,
you say;Why does the Quran say to worship the God of Abraham?(AND HIS NAME IS ALLAH RIGHT??)
and so it is with the deceivers,always try to represent truth in a deceitful way,
by using the reputation of a righteous man of old,
the Koran is not one sentence but a book of false spirit,show us that it is not that way?
Pierre
The name is Allah in Arabic but let's say if you did not use any name but I said worship the God of Abraham and you worship the God of Abraham, then what's the problem when I say Worship the same God that Jesus worships then what's the problem, whn I say pray to the same God that Moses and Jesus prayed to what's the Problem?In their day do you think these people even heard of the word “God”? It is a german word Jesus would have never heard of that word “God” but you are use to it so you accept it. Did you know that Jesus was saying he worships “Alaha” which was the language that Jesus was using because he spoke Aramaic. Receive Admonishment and don't be a disbeliever.
bodyou word is not good enough you have to present facts not
your deceitful lips,
you are not Christ so you have to prove the answers
but you will not ,because you can not because there is not one good deed in your prophet of Islam.
if you do not believe what i say show it to us , so we may learn.
Pierre
I have shown you much but you do not want to see it, your hate blinds you.
bodNO YOU DID NOT ANSWER ANYTHING,YOUR STATMENT IS FALSE AND YOU ARE TO.
THERE IS NO MORE DISCUSION WITH YOU ,YOU NEVER ANSWER ,
YOU ARE WHAT WE WOULD CALL A UNTRUE PERSON ,WHOS BELIEVES DO NOT SUPPORT THE TRUTH OF THE God OF ABRAHAM,AND JESUS.THAT MAKE YOU TO SUPPORT THE OPPOSITION TO GOD JEHOVAH.
Pierre
If I am clearly telling you that I love Jehovah, Yahweh, YHVH i.e. The God of Abraham, Elohim, Eloha, EL Shaddai, Alaha, Allah why do you keep saying that I don't?The reason is you think those are all different Gods but they are all the same. Different languages don't create different entities.
Do you believe that Jesus is the Christ? What about Yeshua or Joshua or Isa or Iesous or YAHshua
most people should get their mind out of Babylon and understand that the languages were created to confuse men so that they may learn to respect God Almighty and not make a special name unto themselves
Genesis 11:3-9 (King James Version)
3And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
4And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
5And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
6And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
8So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
9Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
bodit is strange that you never mention the GOSPEL of Christ,
Jesus his the true prophet ,not Muhammad he was only a mere man,
but Jesus is the son of God,
so do not try to deceit me by false pretend,
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 29 2010,06:08) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 29 2010,12:54) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 29 2010,05:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 29 2010,04:29) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,16:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 28 2010,23:05) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,15:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 28 2010,22:25) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,14:20) bod you say;;Light is the best disinfectant your correction has not been complete yet God willing we will take care of that
what Paul commented in is quote ,BOD. this is only a fraction of a fraction of what Islam has done ,read the 200 first years of Islam ,
and it is a ongoing struggle every were ,it looks like Islam as a dead which.Pierre
Why does the Quran say to worship the God of Abraham?
bodyou never answer the questions,or show that i am wrong ,so i assume that you agree with me of what i say,
you say;Why does the Quran say to worship the God of Abraham?(AND HIS NAME IS ALLAH RIGHT??)
and so it is with the deceivers,always try to represent truth in a deceitful way,
by using the reputation of a righteous man of old,
the Koran is not one sentence but a book of false spirit,show us that it is not that way?
Pierre
The name is Allah in Arabic but let's say if you did not use any name but I said worship the God of Abraham and you worship the God of Abraham, then what's the problem when I say Worship the same God that Jesus worships then what's the problem, whn I say pray to the same God that Moses and Jesus prayed to what's the Problem?In their day do you think these people even heard of the word “God”? It is a german word Jesus would have never heard of that word “God” but you are use to it so you accept it. Did you know that Jesus was saying he worships “Alaha” which was the language that Jesus was using because he spoke Aramaic. Receive Admonishment and don't be a disbeliever.
bodyou word is not good enough you have to present facts not
your deceitful lips,
you are not Christ so you have to prove the answers
but you will not ,because you can not because there is not one good deed in your prophet of Islam.
if you do not believe what i say show it to us , so we may learn.
Pierre
I have shown you much but you do not want to see it, your hate blinds you.
bodNO YOU DID NOT ANSWER ANYTHING,YOUR STATMENT IS FALSE AND YOU ARE TO.
THERE IS NO MORE DISCUSION WITH YOU ,YOU NEVER ANSWER ,
YOU ARE WHAT WE WOULD CALL A UNTRUE PERSON ,WHOS BELIEVES DO NOT SUPPORT THE TRUTH OF THE God OF ABRAHAM,AND JESUS.THAT MAKE YOU TO SUPPORT THE OPPOSITION TO GOD JEHOVAH.
Pierre
If I am clearly telling you that I love Jehovah, Yahweh, YHVH i.e. The God of Abraham, Elohim, Eloha, EL Shaddai, Alaha, Allah why do you keep saying that I don't?The reason is you think those are all different Gods but they are all the same. Different languages don't create different entities.
Do you believe that Jesus is the Christ? What about Yeshua or Joshua or Isa or Iesous or YAHshua
most people should get their mind out of Babylon and understand that the languages were created to confuse men so that they may learn to respect God Almighty and not make a special name unto themselves
Genesis 11:3-9 (King James Version)
3And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
4And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
5And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
6And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
8So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
9Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
bodit is strange that you never mention the GOSPEL of Christ,
Jesus his the true prophet ,not Muhammad he was only a mere man,
but Jesus is the son of God,
so do not try to deceit me by false pretend,
Pierre
Jesus preached the KINGDOM of GOD, is Christ “God”?bod
you say;;Jesus preached the KINGDOM of GOD, is Christ “God”?
it is worse than i taught at first,you do not even read my quotes,you answer,
Pierre
Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 29 2010,10:06) Jesus preached the KINGDOM of GOD, is Christ “God”?
Hi Everybody,BD speaks of the “Kingdom of God”,
yet BD worships the 'kingdom of the antichrist'! (Click Here).
bod
you seems to not know were the truth lays ,we all have to go to Christ the son of God to be saved from our sins.
Muhammad will not save himself and no body else,
Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”THE TRUTH BEING THE TRUTH OF JEHOVAH GOD AND THE LIGHT BEING THE LIGHT OF CHRIST,
ALL RELIGION WHO DO NOT PERFORM IN THAT DIRECTION ARE IN THE DARK.
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 29 2010,15:23) bod you seems to not know were the truth lays ,we all have to go to Christ the son of God to be saved from our sins.
Muhammad will not save himself and no body else,
Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”THE TRUTH BEING THE TRUTH OF JEHOVAH GOD AND THE LIGHT BEING THE LIGHT OF CHRIST,
ALL RELIGION WHO DO NOT PERFORM IN THAT DIRECTION ARE IN THE DARK.
Pierre
God saves through whomever or whatever means HE chooses are you now giving God guidance as to what HE can and cannot do?Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 30 2010,03:33) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 29 2010,15:23) bod you seems to not know were the truth lays ,we all have to go to Christ the son of God to be saved from our sins.
Muhammad will not save himself and no body else,
Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”THE TRUTH BEING THE TRUTH OF JEHOVAH GOD AND THE LIGHT BEING THE LIGHT OF CHRIST,
ALL RELIGION WHO DO NOT PERFORM IN THAT DIRECTION ARE IN THE DARK.
Pierre
God saves through whomever or whatever means HE chooses are you now giving God guidance as to what HE can and cannot do?
bodyou reject the scriptures .you are Muslim.
scriptures are not for you ,
you are but a sceptic
Pierre
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