Creation in pain

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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 15 2010,16:13)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 15 2010,21:15)

Can anyone show me a scripture that says the present planet earth will remain forever, and only the bad things on it will be destroyed?

mike

Mike

here is my finfings;Job 38:13 that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?

Ps 2:8 Ask of me,
and I will make the nations your inheritance,
the ends of the earth your possession.(Christ )

Ps 21:10 You will destroy their descendants from the earth,
their posterity from mankind.
Ps 22:27 All the ends of the earth
will remember and turn to the LORD,
and all the families of the nations
will bow down before him,

Ps 34:16 the face of the LORD is against those who do evil,
to cut off the memory of them from the earth

Ps 46:8 Come and see the works of the LORD,
the desolations he has brought on the earth.

Ps 50:4 He summons the heavens above,
and the earth, that he may judge his people:
Ps 57:5 Be exalted, O God, above the heavens;
let your glory be over all the earth.

Ps 59:13 consume them in wrath,
consume them till they are no more.
Then it will be known to the ends of the earth
that God rules over Jacob.

Ps 65:5 You answer us with awesome deeds of righteousness,
O God our Savior,
the hope of all the ends of the earth
and of the farthest seas,
Ps 66:1 Shout with joy to God, all the earth!
Ps 66:4 All the earth bows down to you;
they sing praise to you,
they sing praise to your name

Ps 75:8 In the hand of the LORD is a cup
full of foaming wine mixed with spices;
he pours it out, and all the wicked of the earth
drink it down to its very dregs.

Ps 89:11 The heavens are yours, and yours also the earth;
SO GOD WILL NOT DESTROY THE PLANET TO REMOVE THE DUST OF IT .

Ps 98:9 let them sing before the LORD,
for he comes to judge the earth.
He will judge the world in righteousness
and the peoples with equity.

Ps 104:30 When you send your Spirit,
they are created,
and you renew the face of the earth

THERE IS MORE BUT I GUESS THIS SHOULD DO FOR NOW.

Pierre

Hi Terraricca,

Excellent Post my friend!
Will SF turn his back to these verses as well?

Focusing in on only one verse has lead many to stray!
The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

October 15, 2010 at 9:06 am#219976

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 14 2010,22:07)

Shimmer,
Cool I already knew that, i was trying to be humble about it and not bring it up so that the arguements didnt extend into what exactly was going to happen.
Truth is, no one really knows, exactly what is going to happen by the detail, unless we witness this get what im saying.
We know the big picture, but we havent seen it for ourselves and has yet to happen.

Here is the point, New heaven, New earth.
First one gone.

Ed J seems to think that I think the good will perish, i never said that.
I believe whats imperfect will be gone.

Just like how 1 Corinthians 13: describes how when the Perfect come whats partial will be done away.
And all the other stuff will be done away.

SimplyForgiven, I agree with what you say, but 1 Corinthians is talking about love and how all of the other things…..prophecies, they shall become useless; tongues, they shall cease; knowledge, it shall become useless….. there will remain faith, hope, and love — these three; and the greatest of these [is] love…. I dont think this has anything to do with creation ?

October 15, 2010 at 9:26 am#219978

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Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 15 2010,20:06)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 14 2010,22:07)

Here is the point, New heaven, New earth.
First one gone.

Ed J seems to think that I think the good will perish, i never said that.
I believe whats imperfect will be gone.

Just like how 1 Corinthians 13: describes how when the Perfect come whats partial will be done away.
And all the other stuff will be done away.

SimplyForgiven, I agree with what you say, but 1 Corinthians is talking about love and how all of the other things…..prophecies, they shall become useless; tongues, they shall cease; knowledge, it shall become useless….. there will remain faith, hope, and love — these three; and the greatest of these [is] love…. I dont think this has anything to do with creation ?

Hi Shimmer,

Do you agree with SF believing The Earth (according to SF) is going to be completely burned away into nothingness?

October 15, 2010 at 10:51 am#219985

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Hi Ed, I believe fire will burn everything, but that God's people will live through the fire, theres a story in Daniel I think it is where they are in fire but it doesnt harm them,

Peter says everything will go up with a bang and the elements will melt, I suppose fire and heat – in the way I have been shown – would also mix with all of the Nuclear weapons etc, so anything is possible ? I believe Peter.

October 15, 2010 at 10:55 am#219987

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Ed, I hope that makes sense l'm tired,

October 15, 2010 at 10:57 am#219988

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Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 15 2010,21:51)

Hi Ed, I believe fire will burn everything, but that God's people will live through the fire, theres a story in Daniel I think it is where they are in fire but it doesnt harm them,

Hi Shimmer,

Then you don't believe planet Earth will burn completely away as SF believes.
Then why would you say… 'SimplyForgiven, I agree with what you say' ?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

October 15, 2010 at 11:00 am#219989

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Ed, when I say i'm tired, it's past midnight here, but ok, Peter say's everything will go up, will be destroyed, and theres other things I know which I cant get into, but there will be a new heaven and a new Earth, it's what it says.

October 15, 2010 at 11:05 am#219991

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Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 15 2010,22:00)

Hi Shimmer,

I already illustrated the word 'new' should have been translated “Renew”.
you disagree with the word study I outlined on the previous pages?

October 16, 2010 at 6:54 am#220103

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Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 15 2010,14:06)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 14 2010,22:07)

Here is the point, New heaven, New earth.
First one gone.

Ed J seems to think that I think the good will perish, i never said that.
I believe whats imperfect will be gone.

Just like how 1 Corinthians 13: describes how when the Perfect come whats partial will be done away.
And all the other stuff will be done away.

Shimmer,
I know its talking about Love,
Its known worldwide as the chapter of Love,
But What is LOVE? 1 John 4:8 Love is God.

God is Also Perfect.
9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
We prophecy from the little that we know.
But when whats Perfect/Compelete comes everything that is imperfect or not compelete will be done away.

Of course this is in direct context within scripture about love and about prophecy.

But we know that God is perfect, and when he comes everything that is imperfect MUST be gone from his presence.
He is perfect and holy.

October 16, 2010 at 6:55 am#220104

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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 15 2010,14:26)

Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 15 2010,20:06)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 14 2010,22:07)

Here is the point, New heaven, New earth.
First one gone.

Ed J seems to think that I think the good will perish, i never said that.
I believe whats imperfect will be gone.

Just like how 1 Corinthians 13: describes how when the Perfect come whats partial will be done away.
And all the other stuff will be done away.

Hi Shimmer,

Do you agree with SF believing The Earth (according to SF) is going to be completely burned away into nothingness?

False,
I never said it will be burn into nothing.
Thank you, isnt that false witnessing Ed J?

Do what you preach Ed J

October 16, 2010 at 6:57 am#220105

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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 15 2010,15:57)

Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 15 2010,21:51)

Hi Ed, I believe fire will burn everything, but that God's people will live through the fire, theres a story in Daniel I think it is where they are in fire but it doesnt harm them,

Hi Shimmer,

Then you don't believe planet Earth will burn completely away as SF believes.
Then why would you say… 'SimplyForgiven, I agree with what you say' ?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

I never said it will be burned away,
Peter said that.
I didnt.

Your problem is with Peter not I,

You been taking alot of cheap shots at me Ed J,
Careful

October 16, 2010 at 7:18 am#220106

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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 15 2010,10:42)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 15 2010,05:01)

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Hi SF,

I have already explained it for you;
if you choose not to believe, I don't care!

Ed J

Ed, you ignored my point again, you havent even refuted it, so my point is left valid either way.

Hi SF,

You can believe whatever you want, but that don't make what you believe truth! (Isaiah 53:7)

If you don't want me to respond to your every point, that's your choice!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

lol whatever Ed,
No wonder you and Bod make good buddies.
both of you are alike.

You shout “truth” but you havent proven it, you cant just shout truth and expect me to believe.

I have made my points, and you HAVENT answerd it, yet again.
Thats my point you pick and choose what argue against, but the main point i made abotu 2 peter, you didnt refute. so its left valid until you do.

You can respond to my every point but you dont, becauseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
you just pick and chooose and make seperate points,

You flood my threads and its annoying.

I think a moderator should penalize you for that.

October 16, 2010 at 7:28 am#220108

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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 15 2010,10:42)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 15 2010,05:01)

(1)If you say you love God and that you have a relationship with God than for you to answer back with such a avoiding tactics to answer the direct question.

I have figured you out now.
You want to believe only what fits your imaginations.

Hi SF,

1) What direct question are you accusing me of not addressing? (Isaiah 54:17)

2) You're beginning to see your own reflection; don't like what you see? (Rom.2:3)

James 1:23-24 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer,
he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For
he beholdeth himself (Psalm 18:25-27), and goeth his way,
and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

Psalm 18:25-27 With the merciful thou(YHVH) will show thyself merciful;
with an upright man thou(YHVH) will show thyself upright; With the pure
thou(YHVH) will show thyself pure; and with the froward thou(YHVH) will show
thyself froward. For thou will save the afflicted people; but wilt bring down high looks.

Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

1) I already repeated it many times, must i have to again?
I made several post about your behavior and flooding tactics, and about the points you have ignored.
look old man catch up with the program i dont have time for your amnesia.

Im starting to miss mike now.

2) Um what the heck Ed? look the same way i figured out Bod, i have already figure you out the same. You make anything you see and you corrupt it to fit your imaginations.
Ill give you an example

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Romans 1:22-25 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man,
and to birds(1)(false rapture doctrines), and fourfooted beasts(their religious golden calves), and
creeping things(2)(serpent doctrines). Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through
the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: Who changed
the truth of God into a lie(2Thess.2:11), and worshiped and served the creature(Jesus) more than
the Creator(JEHOVAH), who is blessed for ever. Amen. I explain what this image is, CLICK HERE to see!

1)Look how you made up your own doctrine by interpreting that this refers to the “rapture doctrine” Really?
when this verse obviously has nothign to do with that.
but again you see things by you imaginations, and you have a big imagination.
For you its only what makes sense to you, and how it fits for you, but not Truth.
2) again serpent doctrine? really? again what does that have to do with the context of what Paul is talking about?
So paul was talkign abuot the rapture and serpent doctrines?
Really??????

Im just showing you that you interpret scriptures by your imaginatinons.
I have also observed that any animal or spirit mentioned within scripture for you fits a present day term.
the same way you have related the
birds-rapture
serpent- s doctrine
King of kings- holy spirit

Any creature referred in scriptures for you fits some symbolic term for you.
Thats what i have noticed.

October 16, 2010 at 7:31 am#220109

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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 15 2010,10:51)

Hi Terraricca,

Excellent Post my friend!
Will SF turn his back to these verses as well?

Focusing in on only one verse has lead many to stray!
The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Again i will take this comment personally as well Ed J.
So now your challenging me and also insulting me.
Your also implying that i will turn my back.
and also implying that i have been lead to stray.

You see how you imply like a serpent?
If you got something to say to me, say it and be direct.
Be a Man, and be a Man of your word and dont hide behind implications. very cowardly of you.

October 16, 2010 at 7:36 am#220110

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terraricca,Oct. wrote:

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Terrarica,

Im butting in because Ed j is getting on my nerves,
so i will respond.

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here is my finfings;Job 38:13 that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?

You forgot the context
12Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
13 depends on 12. So it means that when dawn comes up the darkness vanishes away.

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Ps 2:8 Ask of me,
and I will make the nations your inheritance,
the ends of the earth your possession.(Christ )

What does that have to do with the Question?

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Ps 21:10 You will destroy their descendants from the earth,

doesnt suggest that the earth will not have a new earth.

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Ps 22:27 All the ends of the earth
will remember and turn to the LORD,
and all the families of the nations
will bow down before him,

Yes and after that a new heaven and new earth.

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Ps 34:16 the face of the LORD is against those who do evil,
to cut off the memory of them from the earth

Thats exactly what happens in revelations.

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Ps 46:8 Come and see the works of the LORD,
the desolations he has brought on the earth.

thats why we have a new earth

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Ps 50:4 He summons the heavens above,
and the earth, that he may judge his people:

and what happens after? new heaven new earth….

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Ps 57:5 Be exalted, O God, above the heavens;
let your glory be over all the earth.

And thats exactly what happens in the new earth and new heaven.

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Ps 59:13 consume them in wrath,
consume them till they are no more.
Then it will be known to the ends of the earth
that God rules over Jacob.

i skipped most of it is talkign about the same thing that doesnt refute that the earth wil not end.

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Ps 89:11 The heavens are yours, and yours also the earth;
SO GOD WILL NOT DESTROY THE PLANET TO REMOVE THE DUST OF IT .

11The heavens are thine, the earth also is thine: as for the world and the fulness thereof, thou hast founded them.
God said everything was good in the beginning, obviously right now thats not the case.
That verse that David is writing does not suggest that the earth will not end, and have a new earth.

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Ps 104:30 When you send your Spirit,
they are created,
and you renew the face of the earth

by making a new earth. I mean its really clear.

In conclusion:
There will always be an Earth, as we will always have a body.
We will have a new Earth, and we will have a new glorious body that is promised in the bible.

Terrarica, you directed this to MIKE, not myself.
So i believe mike should answer for this and not me, because he is the one asking the questions.
I only responded so that Ed J doesnt continue to accuse me falsly

I personally dont see any one of those verses to indicate that the earth will not be made NEW as scriptures has indicated.
In contrary the scriptures you presented how God will be glorfied in the Earth.
Chapter 21 of revelations describes all of those events.

October 16, 2010 at 7:43 am#220112

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 16 2010,17:55)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 15 2010,14:26)

Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 15 2010,20:06)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 14 2010,22:07)

Here is the point, New heaven, New earth.
First one gone.

Ed J seems to think that I think the good will perish, i never said that.
I believe whats imperfect will be gone.

Just like how 1 Corinthians 13: describes how when the Perfect come whats partial will be done away.
And all the other stuff will be done away.

Hi Shimmer,

Do you agree with SF believing The Earth (according to SF) is going to be completely burned away into nothingness?

False,
I never said it will be burn into nothing.
Thank you, isnt that false witnessing Ed J?

Do what you preach Ed J

Hi SF,

Perhaps you were just not being clear, what exactly
do you believe will happen to the Earth then?

October 16, 2010 at 7:56 am#220113

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 16 2010,18:28)

2) again serpent doctrine? really? again what does that have to do with the context of what Paul is talking about?

Hi SF,

Keep asking questions, that's how you learn. (matt.7:7 / 2Tm.2;13)

This is answered in chapter 3…
Romans 3:13: Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues
they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

October 18, 2010 at 3:13 am#220304

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Hi SF,

Perhaps these two verses together will help you to see…

Rev.21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new.
And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
2Cor.5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature:
old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

October 21, 2010 at 12:39 am#220685

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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 18 2010,08:13)

Hi SF,

Perhaps these two verses together will help you to see…

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed J,
I simply believe what scripture states.
Thats it.

It says it will pass away, and thats what will happen.

The scriptures you mention right now, is the point im trying to make.

what did he say? all things new.
and the old whats imperfect shall be done away, pass away.

October 21, 2010 at 12:45 am#220687

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 16 2010,18:18)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 15 2010,10:42)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 15 2010,05:01)

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Hi SF,

I have already explained it for you;
if you choose not to believe, I don't care!

Ed J

Ed, you ignored my point again, you havent even refuted it, so my point is left valid either way.

Hi SF,

You can believe whatever you want, but that don't make what you believe truth! (Isaiah 53:7)

If you don't want me to respond to your every point, that's your choice!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

lol whatever Ed,
No wonder you and Bod make good buddies.
both of you are alike.

You shout “truth” but you havent proven it, you cant just shout truth and expect me to believe.

You can respond to my every point but you dont, becauseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
you just pick and chooose and make seperate points,

You flood my threads and its annoying.

I think a moderator should penalize you for that.

Hi SF,

When you Post to me, I can Post back you know.