Creation in pain

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Hi SF,

Are you trying to discount this verse?

Eccl:1:4: One generation passeth away, and another
generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Are You? because i have already proven my point.
There will be a new earth.
So in a since there will always be a earth.

Im just posting scripture, if you dont want to believe it thats your problem

Hi SF,

If you don't want to understand
what Scripture is saying, it's not my problem!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

What the heck?
Lol Ed J, I made a point,
The first earth and heavens WILL pass away.

If you dont want to believe that than its not my problem.

Im done argueing with you because your not making any sense.

You just want to refute a point, and than say that im trying to disprove another scripture.

Look either believe or dont believe it doenst matter.

Fact is, Earth and heaven will pass away.
Period.

i think edj is right on this one ;;Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

The New Jerusalem

Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea

you see the earth is cleanup and so is the heaven,so no more wicket men,and Satan and compagny are all in the lake of fire,

and only the people who are written in the book of live of the Lamb and God

Ps 69:28 May they be blotted out of the book of life
and not be listed with the righteous.

Phil 4:3 Yes, and I ask you, loyal yokefellow, help these women who have contended at my side in the cause of the gospel, along with Clement and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.
Rev 3:5 He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.
Rev 13:8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.
Rev 17:8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is

Pierre

Terrarica,

The scripture is clear that it will pass away. It doesnt say how or how exactly that will be done.

I just believe what it simply states.

Under the interpretation of 2 Peter and Revelations it clearly says they will pass away.

Its very simple understanding,
The same way we yearn for the redemption of our bodies its the same view on the Earth and Heaven.

When God says NEW, its because its NEW.

Im not going to get into it. ITs very simple.

I find it pointless and a waste of time to discuss this point,
i have alot of posts to respond too.

it is not the planet who past away it is the people and there works and as well the corrupt angels.demons ect

there is nothing wrong with the solar system,
just as in the time of the flood, men was corrupt ,but at that time God did not destroyed the angels,because is plan was not complete.

Pierre

I agree that the peoples work and angels and demons will pass away,
but this INCLUDES the earth.

The very first post talks about creation groaning togethor.

how do you know that there is nothing wrong with the solar system? or with planet earth? is this biblical?

Didnt genesis say the earth was cursed? that plants had thistles?

that we had to work? and what utter destruction did the flood bring to the world?

ANYWAYS this is getting OFF topic,
Point is that The same way their our bodies will be redeemed, so will the heaven and earth as well will have a perfect state.

Why? i have no idea, how? im clueless, ask God why he stated that.

Get back to the topic, is Jesus included within this conditions

Hi SF,

Rev.22:1-3 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as “crystal”=117,
proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it,
and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of
fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing
of the nations. And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb
shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter],
the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

October 13, 2010 at 5:37 am#219738

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Revelation 21
1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Do you know how to Count? what comes first chapter 21 or 22? you tell me?

October 13, 2010 at 5:37 am#219739

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Hi Terraricca,

There's a lot of false doctrines out there!
Terraricca, I knew I could count on you!

For SF's sake, here is how the word “New” is defined in both Rev.12:1 and 2 Peter 3:13
Greek #2537 καινός (kainos) kähē-nôs': new (freshness ith respect to age), youthful, fresh, regenerate:-new, young

[καινός] should have been translated as “renewed” like [ἀνακαινόω] from 303 and 2537
Greek #341 ἀνακαινόω (anakainoó) ăn-äk-ähē-nô'-ō: to rejuvenate:-renew

2Cor.4:16 For which cause we faint not;
but though our outward man perish,
yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

[καινός] is also used in Rom.6:4 and Rom.7:6 as well…
Rom.6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:
that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father,
even so we also should walk in newness(καινός) of life.

Rom.7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held;
that we should serve in newness(καινός) of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed J,
Do you really want to go down this road with me?
sometimes for real you can be so blind and stubborn,
We agreed already, You just dont see it.

What did i say Ed J?

did i not say that the earth will be changed the same way our bodies will be changed into a better glorious state.

the scripture is very clear that the first earth and the first heaven will pass away,
just like the old flesh, the old man, will pass away,

the same way that when the perfect comes everythign that is partial and imperfect will be done away,

My goodness can you stop being so hard headed and stop argueing over POINTLESS things taht we already agree on.

Hi SF,

I do not agree with your faulty view of what the Scripture is saying!
I did the word study for you, what's the matter don't you like this Earth?

October 13, 2010 at 5:41 am#219740

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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2010,10:23)

Hi Terraricca,

There's a lot of false doctrines out there!
Terraricca, I knew I could count on you!

[καινός] should have been translated as “renewed” like [ἀνακαινόω] from 303 and 2537
Greek #341 ἀνακαινόω (anakainoó) ăn-äk-ähē-nô'-ō: to rejuvenate:-renew

2Cor.4:16 For which cause we faint not;
but though our outward man perish,
yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

Rom.7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held;
that we should serve in newness(καινός) of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed J,
Do you really want to go down this road with me?
sometimes for real you can be so blind and stubborn,
We agreed already, You just dont see it.

What did i say Ed J?

did i not say that the earth will be changed the same way our bodies will be changed into a better glorious state.

the scripture is very clear that the first earth and the first heaven will pass away,
just like the old flesh, the old man, will pass away,

the same way that when the perfect comes everythign that is partial and imperfect will be done away,

My goodness can you stop being so hard headed and stop argueing over POINTLESS things taht we already agree on.

Hi SF,

I do not agree with your faulty view of what the Scripture is saying!
I did the word study for you, what's the matter don't you like this Earth?

Lol
Ok Ed J, since you want it that way,

Whether you want it to be called “renewed” or “new” or however you want to call it, the fact is there will be a “earth” that is diferent from the FIRST earth.

I believe what scritpures is saying and thats it.
2 peter also backs me up with this.

As i told you before, it could mean “renewed” just like how our BODIES will be RENEWED in a glorious state.
Such a thing will happen with the earth and heaven.
So you wan to call that faulty, than thats your problem!

As of right now this conversation ENDS becuase this is getting off topic.

This is not a debate about the future of the earth.
Get back to the thread.

October 13, 2010 at 5:49 am#219742

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Hi SF,

Your causing me pain!

Rom.8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now(Because of SF).
And not only they, but ourselves (and Ed J) also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves
groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption(of SF), to wit, the redemption of our (whole)body.

Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

October 13, 2010 at 5:58 am#219743

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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2010,10:49)

Hi SF,

Your causing me pain!

When your done being a brute and making stupid childless comments than hit me up.

That is very christian of you, let me appluad your effort to make Romans 8:22 about Sf and how righteous Ed J is.

Let me applaud, (claps) you have the recoginition you deserve Ed J, here is someone who appreciates your pointless tactics,
Ed J the appluad is for you!

does this make you feel better?

Did your pride increase?

When you started to type “Because of Sf” within the scripture of Romans 8:22, was this a the Holy Spirits doing or yours?
Did the Spirit move you to do such a thing,

Examine yourself

October 13, 2010 at 6:01 am#219744

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 13 2010,16:58)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2010,10:49)

Hi SF,

Your causing me pain!

When your done being a brute and making stupid childless comments than hit me up.

That is very christian of you, let me appluad your effort to make Romans 8:22 about Sf and how righteous Ed J is.

Let me applaud, (claps) you have the recoginition you deserve Ed J, here is someone who appreciates your pointless tactics,
Ed J the appluad is for you!

does this make you feel better?

Did your pride increase?

When you started to type “Because of Sf” within the scripture of Romans 8:22, was this a the Holy Spirits doing or yours?
Did the Spirit move you to do such a thing,

Examine yourself

Hi SF,

I'm on topic now, ain't I?
that's what 'you' wanted, isn't it?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

October 13, 2010 at 6:04 am#219745

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 13 2010,16:58)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2010,10:49)

Hi SF,

Your causing me pain!

When your done being a brute and making stupid childless comments than hit me up.

That is very christian of you, let me appluad your effort to make Romans 8:22 about Sf and how righteous Ed J is.

Let me applaud, (claps) you have the recoginition you deserve Ed J, here is someone who appreciates your pointless tactics,
Ed J the appluad is for you!

does this make you feel better?

Did your pride increase?

When you started to type “Because of Sf” within the scripture of Romans 8:22, was this a the Holy Spirits doing or yours?
Did the Spirit move you to do such a thing,

Examine yourself

Hi SF,

I'm on topic now, ain't I?
that's what 'you' wanted, isn't it?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Does this include Jesus yes or no?

October 13, 2010 at 6:06 am#219746

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 13 2010,17:04)

Does this include Jesus yes or no?

Hi SF,

What do you mean?

October 13, 2010 at 7:56 am#219753

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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 12 2010,20:02)

Hi SF,

Are you trying to discount this verse?

Eccl:1:4: One generation passeth away, and another
generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Are You? because i have already proven my point.
There will be a new earth.
So in a since there will always be a earth.

Im just posting scripture, if you dont want to believe it thats your problem

Hi SF,

If you don't want to understand
what Scripture is saying, it's not my problem!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

What the heck?
Lol Ed J, I made a point,
The first earth and heavens WILL pass away.

If you dont want to believe that than its not my problem.

Im done argueing with you because your not making any sense.

You just want to refute a point, and than say that im trying to disprove another scripture.

Look either believe or dont believe it doenst matter.

Fact is, Earth and heaven will pass away.
Period.

i think edj is right on this one ;;Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

The New Jerusalem

Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea

you see the earth is cleanup and so is the heaven,so no more wicket men,and Satan and compagny are all in the lake of fire,

and only the people who are written in the book of live of the Lamb and God

Ps 69:28 May they be blotted out of the book of life
and not be listed with the righteous.

Pierre

Terrarica,

The scripture is clear that it will pass away. It doesnt say how or how exactly that will be done.

I just believe what it simply states.

Under the interpretation of 2 Peter and Revelations it clearly says they will pass away.

Its very simple understanding,
The same way we yearn for the redemption of our bodies its the same view on the Earth and Heaven.

When God says NEW, its because its NEW.

Im not going to get into it. ITs very simple.

I find it pointless and a waste of time to discuss this point,
i have alot of posts to respond too.

it is not the planet who past away it is the people and there works and as well the corrupt angels.demons ect

there is nothing wrong with the solar system,
just as in the time of the flood, men was corrupt ,but at that time God did not destroyed the angels,because is plan was not complete.

Pierre

I agree that the peoples work and angels and demons will pass away,
but this INCLUDES the earth.

The very first post talks about creation groaning togethor.

how do you know that there is nothing wrong with the solar system? or with planet earth? is this biblical?

Didnt genesis say the earth was cursed? that plants had thistles?

that we had to work? and what utter destruction did the flood bring to the world?

ANYWAYS this is getting OFF topic,
Point is that The same way their our bodies will be redeemed, so will the heaven and earth as well will have a perfect state.

Why? i have no idea, how? im clueless, ask God why he stated that.

Get back to the topic, is Jesus included within this conditions

do you feel the pain ,because i do.

Did you read the scriptures or just fly trough , so that you are only getting a broad view of them.

first after Adam was trown out of Eden because of is sin the earth was cursed;

Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked with God.
Ge 6:10 Noah had three sons: Shem, Ham and Japheth.
Ge 6:11 Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence.
Ge 6:12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways

Ge 6:13 So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth(not the planet but there works)

.Ge 6:17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that
has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish.

can you read it NOT THE PLANET.

Ge 8:15 Then God said to Noah,
Ge 8:16 “Come out of the ark, you and your wife and your sons and their wives.
Ge 8:17 Bring out every kind of living creature that is with you—the birds, the animals, and all the creatures that move along the ground—so they can multiply on the earth and be fruitful and increase in number upon it.”
Ge 8:18 So Noah came out, together with his sons and his wife and his sons’ wives.
Ge 8:19 All the animals and all the creatures that move along the ground and all the birds—everything that moves on the earth—came out of the ark, one kind after another.
Ge 8:20 Then Noah built an altar to the LORD and, taking some of all the clean animals and clean birds, he sacrificed burnt offerings on it.
Ge 8:21 The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though every inclination of his heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done.
Ge 8:22 “As long as the earth endures,
seedtime and harvest,
cold and heat,
summer and winter,
day and night
will never cease.”

AND NOW WERE IS THAT CURSE??

Ge 9:1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth.
Ge 9:2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands.
Ge 9:3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.
Ge 9:4 “But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.
Ge 9:5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of his fellow man.
Ge 9:6 “Whoever sheds the blood of man,
by man shall his blood be shed;

THIS IS CHRIST TALKING;;Mt 24:37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
Mt 24:38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;
Mt 24:39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH

Pierre

October 13, 2010 at 8:43 am#219756

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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 13 2010,12:56)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 13 2010,23:28)

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 13 2010,04:57)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 12 2010,20:02)

Hi SF,

Are you trying to discount this verse?

Eccl:1:4: One generation passeth away, and another
generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Are You? because i have already proven my point.
There will be a new earth.
So in a since there will always be a earth.

Im just posting scripture, if you dont want to believe it thats your problem

Hi SF,

If you don't want to understand
what Scripture is saying, it's not my problem!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

What the heck?
Lol Ed J, I made a point,
The first earth and heavens WILL pass away.

If you dont want to believe that than its not my problem.

Im done argueing with you because your not making any sense.

You just want to refute a point, and than say that im trying to disprove another scripture.

Look either believe or dont believe it doenst matter.

Fact is, Earth and heaven will pass away.
Period.

i think edj is right on this one ;;Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

The New Jerusalem

Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea

you see the earth is cleanup and so is the heaven,so no more wicket men,and Satan and compagny are all in the lake of fire,

and only the people who are written in the book of live of the Lamb and God

Ps 69:28 May they be blotted out of the book of life
and not be listed with the righteous.

Pierre

Terrarica,

The scripture is clear that it will pass away. It doesnt say how or how exactly that will be done.

I just believe what it simply states.

Under the interpretation of 2 Peter and Revelations it clearly says they will pass away.

Its very simple understanding,
The same way we yearn for the redemption of our bodies its the same view on the Earth and Heaven.

When God says NEW, its because its NEW.

Im not going to get into it. ITs very simple.

I find it pointless and a waste of time to discuss this point,
i have alot of posts to respond too.

it is not the planet who past away it is the people and there works and as well the corrupt angels.demons ect

there is nothing wrong with the solar system,
just as in the time of the flood, men was corrupt ,but at that time God did not destroyed the angels,because is plan was not complete.

Pierre

I agree that the peoples work and angels and demons will pass away,
but this INCLUDES the earth.

The very first post talks about creation groaning togethor.

how do you know that there is nothing wrong with the solar system? or with planet earth? is this biblical?

Didnt genesis say the earth was cursed? that plants had thistles?

that we had to work? and what utter destruction did the flood bring to the world?

ANYWAYS this is getting OFF topic,
Point is that The same way their our bodies will be redeemed, so will the heaven and earth as well will have a perfect state.

Why? i have no idea, how? im clueless, ask God why he stated that.

Get back to the topic, is Jesus included within this conditions

do you feel the pain ,because i do.

Did you read the scriptures or just fly trough , so that you are only getting a broad view of them.

first after Adam was trown out of Eden because of is sin the earth was cursed;

Ge 6:13 So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am su
rely going to destroy both them and the earth(not the planet but there works)

.Ge 6:17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish.

can you read it NOT THE PLANET.

AND NOW WERE IS THAT CURSE??

UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH

Pierre

Terrarica,
You are getting annoying,
what are you babbeling about
Im not attacking you, but you LOVE to attack me,

This has nothign to do with the thread.

1st of all you didnt understand what i said, and you went off in another tangent again!!!!

as always I think your english sucks or something, becuase you always misunderstand what i say.

did you not read Genesis?
what do you think the Flood did Terrarica?
Do thistles not grow on plants still? does man stil have to till the groudn still? doesnt man still have to work?

Fear from all creation was given to the animals. did you see that too?

what did the flood do pierre? Do you know how powerful a flood is? do you know how MASSIVE it was?
Do you know what a worldwide flood would do to the earth?

what did i say? did I say that The PLANET was destroyed by the flood? do you know how stupid that would be to say that.

Obviosly we are still in the FIRST earth, so noahs flood could not destroy the FIRST earth competelty, but everything inside was destroyed OBVIOUSLY.

CASE and POINT.
will night and day cease pierre?
will summer and winter cease?

What does revelation say about that?

MY GOSH, Pierre wake up and smell the mc.nuggets we are talking about the same thing, yet you just want to argue with me for the sake of argueing.

Either get back on topic, or stop posting arguements that is getting us NO where.

Why do you love to debate about things we agree about

de verdad que menso eres,

October 13, 2010 at 8:45 am#219757

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Topic
A Question for those who believe that Christ was created

Romans 8
19For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Regardless of what is known about what I believe,
This is a honest Question
Do you believe Jesus is included in this passage in verse 22,

Tell me your reasons:

October 13, 2010 at 9:23 am#219761

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SF
CASE and POINT.
will night and day cease pierre? NO
will summer and winter cease? NO

What does revelation say about that?that you have no understanding of Gods will only of mens views.

MY GOSH, Pierre wake up and smell the mc.nuggets we are talking about the same thing, yet you just want to argue with me for the sake of argueing.

Either get back on topic, or stop posting arguements that is getting us NO where.

Why do you love to debate about things we agree about;it seems you can not say it the way i can understand it

de verdad que menso eres, si je te comprendrais je te repondrais,

PIERRE

October 13, 2010 at 7:08 pm#219785

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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 13 2010,14:23)

SF
CASE and POINT.
will night and day cease pierre? NO
will summer and winter cease? NO

What does revelation say about that?that you have no understanding of Gods will only of mens views.

MY GOSH, Pierre wake up and smell the mc.nuggets we are talking about the same thing, yet you just want to argue with me for the sake of argueing.

Either get back on topic, or stop posting arguements that is getting us NO where.

Why do you love to debate about things we agree about;it seems you can not say it the way i can understand it

de verdad que menso eres, si je te comprendrais je te repondrais,

PIERRE

je suis comprendo solo que tu no comprendes que estamos hablando del mismo cosa, Nosotros estamos acuerdo de algo que tiene nada que ver con el topico de esta analysis del lectura,

no crees es mejor hablar del topico!

Mira no quiero hablar del cosas que ya estamos acuerdo,

Si me quieres ATTACAR ya no te voy a responder,
porque de verdad no tengo el voluntad ni el deseo para perder mi tiempo

Capeesh?

October 13, 2010 at 7:15 pm#219787

Participant

this is your point less quote;

What the heck?
Lol Ed J, I made a point,
The first earth and heavens WILL pass away.

If you dont want to believe that than its not my problem.

Im done argueing with you because your not making any sense.

You just want to refute a point, and than say that im trying to disprove another scripture.

Look either believe or dont believe it doenst matter.

Fact is, Earth and heaven will pass away.
Period.

next time pay attention some here may believe that you do not know anything

Pierre

October 13, 2010 at 7:29 pm#219789

Participant

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 14 2010,00:15)

this is your point less quote;

What the heck?
Lol Ed J, I made a point,
The first earth and heavens WILL pass away.

If you dont want to believe that than its not my problem.

Im done argueing with you because your not making any sense.

You just want to refute a point, and than say that im trying to disprove another scripture.

Look either believe or dont believe it doenst matter.

Fact is, Earth and heaven will pass away.
Period.

next time pay attention some here may believe that you do not know anything

Pierre

Im going to break it down for you Pierre.
I said to Mike

Quote

Sorry,

And if you think the world/animals/Sea/rocks/stars are not included than why does it have to be destroyed in Revelations and when God made a new heaven and a new earth?

Than Ed J BUTTED in, and said this

Quote

The only thing that gets destroyed is the rudiments(also called elements)!
2Peter 3:10 But “the day of the Lord” will come as a thief in the night;
in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise,
and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth
also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

I Responded:

Quote

Revelation 21:1
2 Peter 3:10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also (*1) and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
*1- At that point, Peter Included that the earth will pass away and ends with the word AND ALSO the works that happen in the Earth.
1. heaven and elements
2. Earth and Works

Here is when Ed J ACCUSED ME,

Quote

Hi SF,

Are you trying to discount this verse?

Eccl:1:4: One generation passeth away, and another
generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

Again That was never my intention, It was a Point that i made to Mike and mike alone. This is how i responded

Quote

Are You? because i have already proven my point.
There will be a new earth.
So in a since there will always be a earth.

Im just posting scripture, if you dont want to believe it thats your problem

Than Ed J Responds

Quote

Hi SF,

If you don't want to understand
what Scripture is saying, it's not my problem!

Really? like after all of that? really?

Rememeber Pierrre Im a Debator and i dont like to waste time with nonsense.

I have just showed you what happened.
I made Claim, a Point, and i proved it with Scripture.

Ed J also made a point, and said that “rudiments” are works, and i AGREED but i ADDED that this INCLUDES the earth.

Get it?

after this he just accused me of things

1) That im trying to disprove Ecc
2) that Im refusing to understand scripture when infact he is ignoring scripture
3) That i have Faulty logic
4) that i dont want to believe the Truth
5) about False doctrines
6) that i dont like the earth

Note his fallacies:
1) he doesnt refute my cliams,
2) he doesnt refute my evidence
3) he doesnt realize we agree

a good example is that i said to Ed J
that what comes first ch 21 or 22.???
—–he ignored this, and didnt answer it.

You see Pierre? do you see the nonesense and how much time i wasted for a misunderstanding?
4) he is just accusing me of things i did not say.

October 13, 2010 at 7:35 pm#219790

Participant

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 13 2010,05:54)

Hey there D-linquent,

Let's forget the rocks and stars for a moment. Do YOU think this scripture refers to the angels and the 4 creatures who worship before Jehovah night and day?

mike

Hey Old Man,
I didnt see your post since it was intermixed with the Nonesense within this thread.

Honest Truth i have no Idea,
Would that include them?
I mean what are the boundries of what is called Creation.

October 13, 2010 at 9:04 pm#219793

Participant

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 14 2010,13:29)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 14 2010,00:15)

this is your point less quote;

What the heck?
Lol Ed J, I made a point,
The first earth and heavens WILL pass away.

If you dont want to believe that than its not my problem.

Im done argueing with you because your not making any sense.

You just want to refute a point, and than say that im trying to disprove another scripture.

Look either believe or dont believe it doenst matter.

Fact is, Earth and heaven will pass away.
Period.

next time pay attention some here may believe that you do not know anything

Pierre

Im going to break it down for you Pierre.
I said to Mike

Quote

Sorry,

And if you think the world/animals/Sea/rocks/stars are not included than why does it have to be destroyed in Revelations and when God made a new heaven and a new earth?

Than Ed J BUTTED in, and said this

Quote

I Responded:

Quote

Here is when Ed J ACCUSED ME,

Quote

Hi SF,

Are you trying to discount this verse?

Eccl:1:4: One generation passeth away, and another
generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

Again That was never my intention, It was a Point that i made to Mike and mike alone. This is how i responded

Quote

Are You? because i have already proven my point.
There will be a new earth.
So in a since there will always be a earth.

Im just posting scripture, if you dont want to believe it thats your problem

Than Ed J Responds

Quote

Hi SF,

If you don't want to understand
what Scripture is saying, it's not my problem!

Really? like after all of that? really?

Rememeber Pierrre Im a Debator and i dont like to waste time with nonsense.

I have just showed you what happened.
I made Claim, a Point, and i proved it with Scripture.

Ed J also made a point, and said that “rudiments” are works, and i AGREED but i ADDED that this INCLUDES the earth.

Get it?

after this he just accused me of things

Note his fallacies:
1) he doesnt refute my cliams,
2) he doesnt refute my evidence
3) he doesnt realize we agree

a good example is that i said to Ed J
that what comes first ch 21 or 22.???
—–he ignored this, and didnt answer it.

You see Pierre? do you see the nonesense and how much time i wasted for a misunderstanding?
4) he is just accusing me of things i did not say.

ok sorry to have bud in and it is sad that some can so poison others ,but maybe we should refuse to answer them ,??

Pierre

October 13, 2010 at 11:06 pm#219801

Participant

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 14 2010,06:29)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 14 2010,00:15)

this is your point less quote;

What the heck?
Lol Ed J, I made a point,
The first earth and heavens WILL pass away.

If you dont want to believe that than its not my problem.

Im done argueing with you because your not making any sense.

You just want to refute a point, and than say that im trying to disprove another scripture.

Look either believe or dont believe it doenst matter.

Fact is, Earth and heaven will pass away.
Period.

next time pay attention some here may believe that you do not know anything

Pierre

Im going to break it down for you Pierre.
I said to Mike

Quote

Sorry,

And if you think the world/animals/Sea/rocks/stars are not included than why does it have to be destroyed in Revelations and when God made a new heaven and a new earth?

Than Ed J BUTTED in, and said this

Quote

I Responded:

Quote

Here is when Ed J ACCUSED ME,

Quote

Hi SF,

Are you trying to discount this verse?

Eccl:1:4: One generation passeth away, and another
generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

Again That was never my intention, It was a Point that i made to Mike and mike alone. This is how i responded

Quote

Are You? because i have already proven my point.
There will be a new earth.
So in a since there will always be a earth.

Im just posting scripture, if you dont want to believe it thats your problem

Than Ed J Responds

Quote

Hi SF,

If you don't want to understand
what Scripture is saying, it's not my problem!

Really? like after all of that? really?

Rememeber Pierrre Im a Debator and i dont like to waste time with nonsense.

I have just showed you what happened.
I made Claim, a Point, and i proved it with Scripture.

Ed J also made a point, and said that “rudiments” are works, and i AGREED but i ADDED that this INCLUDES the earth.

Get it?

after this he just accused me of things

Note his fallacies:
1) he doesnt refute my cliams,
2) he doesnt refute my evidence
3) he doesnt realize we agree

a good example is that i said to Ed J
that what comes first ch 21 or 22.???
—–he ignored this, and didnt answer it.

You see Pierre? do you see the nonesense and how much time i wasted for a misunderstanding?
4) he is just accusing me of things i did not say.

Hi SF,

Eccl.1:4 says that the Earth abideth for ever.
Since when does a question turn into an accusation?
God is going to “Renew” the Earth; rather than destroy it?
Is it not faulty logic for you to infer God will obliterate and then recreate the Earth?

October 13, 2010 at 11:27 pm#219803