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Quote (Stu @ July 28 2010,20:52) Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,09:30) Quote (Stu @ July 27 2010,22:14) Quote (Ed J @ July 27 2010,16:57) Quote (Ed J @ July 21 2010,02:11) Quote (Stu @ July 20 2010,22:51) t8 Uncertainty is the strength of my position. Because it is open to new evidence that contradicts it…
Stuart
Hi Stuart,That's what you say until it is shown to you;
then you dig in to your Atheist bigotry faith!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Stuart,You ignore “Proof”, you don't embrace it?
Huh?Do you understand what the word “proof” means?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Nothing is proved to 'you',
until you consider “The Proof”!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
So you don't get the idea of proof. Never mind.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Are you familiar with the common saying…
“Proof is in the eye of the beholder”
Do you believe this statement to be true?
It certainly applies to you with regard to God; NO?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgI have heard the common saying” beauty is in the eye of the beholder”
Never heard of “proof is in the eye of the beholder” That would mean that proof is a variable
depending on the whim of the beholder.Tim
Quote (TimothyVI @ July 30 2010,05:48) I have heard the common saying” beauty is in the eye of the beholder”
Never heard of “proof is in the eye of the beholder” That would mean that proof is a variable
depending on the whim of the beholder.Tim
HI Tim,There is no (insisted upon by the 'Atheist') God;
because perceptual truth is indeed a variable in time.
But absolute truth (Like God) does not change over time.Mal. 3:6 For I (YHVH) the LORD, I change not;
therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 30 2010,04:36) Quote (Stu @ July 28 2010,20:52) Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,09:30) Quote (Stu @ July 27 2010,22:14) Quote (Ed J @ July 27 2010,16:57) Quote (Ed J @ July 21 2010,02:11) Quote (Stu @ July 20 2010,22:51) t8 Uncertainty is the strength of my position. Because it is open to new evidence that contradicts it…
Stuart
Hi Stuart,That's what you say until it is shown to you;
then you dig in to your Atheist bigotry faith!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Stuart,You ignore “Proof”, you don't embrace it?
Huh?Do you understand what the word “proof” means?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Nothing is proved to 'you',
until you consider “The Proof”!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
So you don't get the idea of proof. Never mind.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Are you familiar with the common saying…
“Proof is in the eye of the beholder”
Do you believe this statement to be true?
It certainly applies to you with regard to God; NO?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
What god?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ July 30 2010,19:40) Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2010,04:36) Quote (Stu @ July 28 2010,20:52) Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,09:30) Quote (Stu @ July 27 2010,22:14) Quote (Ed J @ July 27 2010,16:57) Quote (Ed J @ July 21 2010,02:11) Quote (Stu @ July 20 2010,22:51) t8 Uncertainty is the strength of my position. Because it is open to new evidence that contradicts it…
Stuart
Hi Stuart,That's what you say until it is shown to you;
then you dig in to your Atheist bigotry faith!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Stuart,You ignore “Proof”, you don't embrace it?
Huh?Do you understand what the word “proof” means?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Nothing is proved to 'you',
until you consider “The Proof”!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
So you don't get the idea of proof. Never mind.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Are you familiar with the common saying…
“Proof is in the eye of the beholder”
Do you believe this statement to be true?
It certainly applies to you with regard to God; NO?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
What God?Stuart
Hi Stuart,YHVH=63 of “The Bible”=63!
Talking to you about God is like
Abbot and Costello's Who's on first!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 30 2010,07:23) Quote (TimothyVI @ July 30 2010,05:48) I have heard the common saying” beauty is in the eye of the beholder”
Never heard of “proof is in the eye of the beholder” That would mean that proof is a variable
depending on the whim of the beholder.Tim
HI Tim,There is no (insisted upon by the 'Atheist') God;
because perceptual truth is indeed a variable in time.
But absolute truth (Like God) does not change over time.Mal. 3:6 For I (YHVH) the LORD, I change not;
therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
We weren't discussing truth. We were discussing proof.Tim
Quote (theodorej @ July 24 2010,23:45) Quote (princess of the king @ July 24 2010,10:33) Quote (Stu @ July 21 2010,21:07) Quote (princess of the king @ July 21 2010,08:44) Quote (Stu @ July 20 2010,22:40) Quote (princess of the king @ July 19 2010,23:50) Actually Stuart, the scientific outlook and methods are derived from Greek Philosophers, the same that are used today. 'That human ability to decipher the physical laws that governed the universe, as well as a willingness to formulate, debate, and test unorthodox theories.'
So do not be too harsh on the philosophers, they were the beginning of your science.
I wonder if Aristotle had possessed measuring devices like clocks or thermometers whether fewer people would have been persecuted by the Inquisition all those years later.Stuart
I would ponder no, even with such knowledge the RRC would still have done the same.Some things never change Stuart.
The RCC's classic of recent times, which went under-reported due to the other issues that have accumulated around them in the past few years, was when they vacillated on the question of whether they were for evolution. The former pope was, and this one clearly is not but was in the awkward position of appearing to go against his mentor and predecessor, the one who really got him the succession to the bishopric of Rome.In the end, this pope had to say he accepted it, and actually the RCC had already thought of it before Darwin did!
Why their noses don't grow I'll never know.
Stuart
I understand the concept, my comparison is when the pope wore a santa hat, it is a wonder he did not have his bishops dress as elves.You know Stuart, I do not believe we have touch on the subject of 'traditions' either cultural, family, religious have we?
Greetings Princess…..Stu is one of the foremost proponants of the the critical analysis of Dogma,and religious tradition…The RCC neither endorsed nor supported the theory of evolution…this position should not surprise anyone because they also maintain the same position on homosexuality…
The RCCs' position on homosexuality is….If a church member is attracted to the same sex they are to be chase and not participate in the lifestyle at the same time seek the sacraments through your confessor…
TJ,How Stuart chooses to address dogma and religion is of his own, if one is not for stoning a homosexual, how can one be for abortion. There is no difference in my eyes.
Truly, the origin for the need of abortion was what? Celibacy cannot be all that bad for this reason in itself. Self control of ones ego, desires that are harmful to oneself and others is another subject in itself.
Regarding the RCC the live by the golden rule, whoever has the gold rules.
Abortion is for ectopic pregnancy that will kill the woman if the pregnancy is allowed to continue. And, actually it is for any situation where a woman makes a decision about what happens inside her body. Forcing a woman to carry on a dangerous pregnancy is similar to stoning homosexuals in its philosophy.
If you don't like abortion don't have one. If one abortion can be justified on the grounds that the woman's life will be saved, then what is wrong with any abortion?
Stuart
Ah, my dear Stuart
At times I should know better then to respond, for the pages of this thread will continue, or they may not.
Quote Abortion is for ectopic pregnancy that will kill the woman if the pregnancy is allowed to continue. I understand and can agree.
Quote And, actually it is for any situation where a woman makes a decision about what happens inside her body Before the 'situation' occurred the women should have decided what was inside her body prior.
Quote
If you don't like abortion don't have one.Most similar to if you don't want to have a blood transfusion, become an organ donor, then don't have one, yes?
Quote If one abortion can be justified on the grounds that the woman's life will be saved, then what is wrong with any abortion? Double talk in it's essence, words minced with arsenic.
Apparently, you do not see a difference, alas, even without any religion, use your critical thinking, frontal cortex, or whatever you need to do and come to the conclusion that abortion was not used to save a women's life in the beginning.
Should have blah blah “before the situation” bollocks! Humans make mistakes. Would you deny cancer treatment to a smoker?
By all means deny yourself a blood transfusion, that is the whole point of medical consent, but don't adopt a nasty superstition on behalf of your family that commits them to dying because of your immoral religious fairy tale.
It does not worry me that abortions are performed that are not a matter of life and death for the woman. Why should it? That is the consequence of having a right to decide what happens to your own body. I think there should be the usual counseling on the usual risks of surgery including the negative side-effects of abortion on the woman, but this is a matter of a human deciding what happens to her own body. Would you like to give up your own right to medical consent?
I shouldn't be replying on this subject either! But I find the maudlin and squeamish moralising of religious people on this subject obscene, and self-resistance is difficult!
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Aug. 01 2010,08:11) Abortion is for ectopic pregnancy that will kill the woman if the pregnancy is allowed to continue. And, actually it is for any situation where a woman makes a decision about what happens inside her body. Forcing a woman to carry on a dangerous pregnancy is similar to stoning homosexuals in its philosophy. Stuart
Hi Stuart,What if the pregnancy was conceived by illegitimate means,
You would kill the innocent(Baby) to save the guilty(Mother)?
It's a Good thing that God is the judge rather than you! (Js.5:9)Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ Aug. 02 2010,21:24)
1) What do you mean by illegitimate?2) Why do you feel the need to judge others?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,1) Exodus 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Deuteronomy 5:18 Neither shalt thou commit adultery.2) Why do you excuse the murder of innocent babies?
Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not [commit premeditated Murder].
Deuteronomy 5:17 Thou shalt not [commit premeditated Murder].Are you unaware Human life begins a conception? (Jer.1:5 / Luke 1:15)
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgWe are not talking about murdering babies, we are talking about aborting foetuses. Much as your god boasted about doing several times in the OT.
What does adultery have to do with it?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Aug. 02 2010,21:53) We are not talking about murdering babies, we are talking about aborting foetuses. Stuart
Hi Stuart,Don't you know Life begins a conception?
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ Aug. 02 2010,18:07) Should have blah blah “before the situation” bollocks! Humans make mistakes. Would you deny cancer treatment to a smoker? By all means deny yourself a blood transfusion, that is the whole point of medical consent, but don't adopt a nasty superstition on behalf of your family that commits them to dying because of your immoral religious fairy tale.
It does not worry me that abortions are performed that are not a matter of life and death for the woman. Why should it? That is the consequence of having a right to decide what happens to your own body. I think there should be the usual counseling on the usual risks of surgery including the negative side-effects of abortion on the woman, but this is a matter of a human deciding what happens to her own body. Would you like to give up your own right to medical consent?
I shouldn't be replying on this subject either! But I find the maudlin and squeamish moralising of religious people on this subject obscene, and self-resistance is difficult!
Stuart
There is no denying mistakes are made everyday Stuart, a clerk giving the wrong change, buying a pair of red shoes thinking they match your red polish to a tee, then to find the shades are different.Has life become so worthless to you that you can find no ground to stand on and say enough.
If one had smoked their life and a child was in need of treatment then yes, the child should receive treatment, for the child's cancer is not from their actions.
You are still double talking, in regards either you believe in natural selection, survival of the fittest or not. A eptopic pregnancy would fall in this category of yours would it not.
Do not preach your universal god code to me, without universally thinking it through.
At least in fairy tales lessons can be taught, unlike science which cannot stand firm on anything, for hey you never know, something new might come along.
Stuart, you have showed me things that I never thought I would even need to know, which I thank you for, this is one subject that has no give to me, no matter where you want to go with it, you can save yourself the time and embarrassment and end the discussion here, or continue with gloves off, we will even set up debate between you and I if you need to so we can be left alone, let me know.
Medical consent? Are you willing to give it up so people with a particular delusion can tell you what you can and cannot have done to your own body?
Life is only worthless if people stop you from living yours.
Stuart
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 02 2010,23:34) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 02 2010,21:53) We are not talking about murdering babies, we are talking about aborting foetuses. Stuart
Hi Stuart,Don't you know Life begins a conception?
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
If you mean life as in living cells, then it is not true, because the sperm and egg cells were already living cells. If you mean every conception results in a fully independent human being, then that is not true, and if you mean every conception results in an embryo then that is not true either, because only one in six zygotes actually implants in the uterus.What do you mean?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Aug. 03 2010,17:31) Are you willing to give it up so people with a particular delusion can tell you what you can and cannot have done to your own body? Life is only worthless if people stop you from living yours.
Stuart
Stuart,You really cannot see universally can you? When one joins the armed forces, it is well known they have no consent with their own lives, they know what is expected or what the outcome can be. The military can become a form of religion in some families, would you criticize them as much as you do another sect for their belief?
Give you a little hint in regards to conception, all mankind carry life inside them, when two opposites join, life is created, now, you may look at it as it is just a clump of cells, some know that they are carrying a life, which by the way if some would take life as a gift and not a curse, life may be just a bit better.
When an abortion is performed, life it stopped and with your own words: 'Life is only worthless if people stop you from living yours.' So apparently, an aborted fetus is worthless.
You take care of yourself Stuart, for as much knowledge you have attained through life, you still have much more to learn.
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