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Why is it Christians at once says the blood of Jesus has cleansed them and yet they still seem to keep getting dirty only to say that the blood of Jesus continues to cleanse them. How much blood is there to keep cleansing?
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Romans 6:1-3If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Hebrews 6:5-7What do you mean? I really think you think your perfect…the most perfect of all, you dont need anything, you dont need redemption, your just…perfect!
Should we worship you?
How much longer will you continue to speak out against Gods Son?
Matthew 10:33 “..but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven”.
Luke 9:26 For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words, of him will the Son of Man be ashamed when he comes in his glory and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.
2 Timothy 2:12 “If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us;”
Luke 12:8..but the one who denies me before men will be denied before the angels of God.
But thats ok Bod you can accept the Quran and not the bible, do you remember that time when you were trying to tell me that the crucifixion never happened? and I went and prayed for the truth, then the last supper came to mind as did the command to go and read it so I got the Bible and as I opened the bible it opened right on the last supper…was it just coincidence? I knew it was also in other books, Matthew Mark so went back a bit and once again it opened right on the page of the last supper- that was enough evidence for me, I was being led. Do you ask to be led? Do you ask for the truth? or do you lean upon your own understanding?
Proverbs 3:5..Trust in Jehovah with all thy heart, And lean not upon thine own understanding
Quote (karmarie @ May 03 2010,13:30) What do you mean? I really think you think your perfect…the most perfect of all, you dont need anything, you dont need redemption, your just…perfect! Should we worship you?
How much longer will you continue to speak out against Gods Son?
Matthew 10:33 “..but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven”.
Luke 9:26 For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words, of him will the Son of Man be ashamed when he comes in his glory and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.
2 Timothy 2:12 “If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us;”
Luke 12:8..but the one who denies me before men will be denied before the angels of God.
But thats ok Bod you can accept the Quran and not the bible, do you remember that time when you were trying to tell me that the crucifixion never happened? and I went and prayed for the truth, then the last supper came to mind as did the command to go and read it so I got the Bible and as I opened the bible it opened right on the last supper…was it just coincidence? I knew it was also in other books, Matthew Mark so went back a bit and once again it opened right on the page of the last supper- that was enough evidence for me, I was being led. Do you ask to be led? Do you ask for the truth? or do you lean upon your own understanding?
Proverbs 3:5..Trust in Jehovah with all thy heart, And lean not upon thine own understanding
That's interesting because that wasn't the last supper at all.Remember when Jesus ate with them broiled fish and honey comb?
He said a Spirit doesn't have flesh and bones like he has.
A spirit inside a body makes that person Alive and a Sacrifice means to go without.
Jesus did not go without life but was raised up and exalted with eternal life. No sacrifice was made for you at all redemption is not sacrifice.
You must really love this world if you did not love it you would see the neccessity of the fighting within it.
You don't mind if Jesus blood was shed and so you glorify it, you accept your salvation through murder and yet you condemn the very thing that you received salvation from.
bodhitharta,
You have no understanding what the blood of Jesus did, it paid the price for all of mankind's sin through-out all ages. It allows us to be renewed onto repentance from selfishness, to a life built on the belief that a selfless life lived in obedience to the Father provides eternal life. If we are caught up in sin (as we all are at times) but we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. But to use this grace as a license to sin, after partaking of all that God provides, you then return back to a self centered life, where you lose the ability to apply this forgiveness as you will spend the rest of your life on selfish pursuits.My opinion – Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ May 03 2010,17:21) bodhitharta,
You have no understanding what the blood of Jesus did, it paid the price for all of mankind's sin through-out all ages. It allows us to be renewed onto repentance from selfishness, to a life built on the belief that a selfless life lived in obedience to the Father provides eternal life. If we are caught up in sin (as we all are at times) but we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. But to use this grace as a license to sin, after partaking of all that God provides, you then return back to a self centered life, where you lose the ability to apply this forgiveness as you will spend the rest of your life on selfish pursuits.My opinion – Wm
So are you saying that a person could not repent without Jesus dying? Are you saying that David or Moses had no knowledge of repentence?David did many things God did not like and yet called David a man after HIS own heart and HIS beloved.
Are you telling me no one could have been obedient without the blood of Christ when you know very well Abraham was obedient and God called him friend.
Quote So are you saying that a person could not repent without Jesus dying? who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ… God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life
Hebrews 10:11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins.
1 John 3:5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins.
Yes you could repent but only the blood of Jesus takes away our sins, not just covers them up.
Quote you know very well Abraham was obedient and God called him friend. Abram was obedient in all things??? what about taking Lot when he was told to leave his family, what about Ishmael, what about calling Sarah his sister, what about going to Egypt out of fear of the famine. there were consequences for his mistakes but he remained a friend of God and the father of our faith. Despite being both of these when he died he went to abraham's bosom where he stayed until Christ lead the captives free at His resurrection.
My opinion – Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ May 04 2010,08:26) Quote So are you saying that a person could not repent without Jesus dying? who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ… God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life
Hebrews 10:11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins.
1 John 3:5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins.
Yes you could repent but only the blood of Jesus takes away our sins, not just covers them up.
Quote you know very well Abraham was obedient and God called him friend. Abram was obedient in all things??? what about taking Lot when he was told to leave his family, what about Ishmael, what about calling Sarah his sister, what about going to Egypt out of fear of the famine. there were consequences for his mistakes but he remained a friend of God and the father of our faith. Despite being both of these when he died he went to abraham's bosom where he stayed until Christ lead the captives free at His resurrection.
My opinion – Wm
Are you saying Abraham went to Abraham's bosom?
Sounds silly when repeated back to you, right?
Wrong, ridiculing it does not change what happened. I know you and many others do not believe that the parable given by Jesus was literal but I do, however you also do not believe hardly any of the new testament while I believe all of it (not necessarily the translation or traditional interpretation).
Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ May 04 2010,13:20) Wrong, ridiculing it does not change what happened. I know you and many others do not believe that the parable given by Jesus was literal but I do, however you also do not believe hardly any of the new testament while I believe all of it (not necessarily the translation or traditional interpretation). Wm
Actually, You meant Lazarus was sent to Abraham's bosom not “Abraham” was sent to “Abram's Bosom”So I guess you didn't catch that for the second time but still Abraham was a friend of God before Jesus was sent.
bodhitharta,
Quote Actually, You meant Lazarus was sent to Abraham's bosom not “Abraham” was sent to “Abram's Bosom” So I guess you didn't catch that for the second time but still Abraham was a friend of God before Jesus was sent.
No I meant Abraham – 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell,[a] where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ May 04 2010,15:10) bodhitharta, Quote Actually, You meant Lazarus was sent to Abraham's bosom not “Abraham” was sent to “Abram's Bosom” So I guess you didn't catch that for the second time but still Abraham was a friend of God before Jesus was sent.
No I meant Abraham – 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell,[a] where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
Wm
Once again it was Lazarus that was in the bosom of Abraham.Did you read my post? It is a quote from scripture Luke 16, during the parable the person Abraham is identified by name 5 times.
Wm
Quote (bodhitharta @ May 03 2010,14:13) Quote (karmarie @ May 03 2010,13:30) What do you mean? I really think you think your perfect…the most perfect of all, you dont need anything, you dont need redemption, your just…perfect! Should we worship you?
How much longer will you continue to speak out against Gods Son?
Matthew 10:33 “..but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven”.
Luke 9:26 For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words, of him will the Son of Man be ashamed when he comes in his glory and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.
2 Timothy 2:12 “If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us;”
Luke 12:8..but the one who denies me before men will be denied before the angels of God.
But thats ok Bod you can accept the Quran and not the bible, do you remember that time when you were trying to tell me that the crucifixion never happened? and I went and prayed for the truth, then the last supper came to mind as did the command to go and read it so I got the Bible and as I opened the bible it opened right on the last supper…was it just coincidence? I knew it was also in other books, Matthew Mark so went back a bit and once again it opened right on the page of the last supper- that was enough evidence for me, I was being led. Do you ask to be led? Do you ask for the truth? or do you lean upon your own understanding?
Proverbs 3:5..Trust in Jehovah with all thy heart, And lean not upon thine own understanding
That's interesting because that wasn't the last supper at all.Remember when Jesus ate with them broiled fish and honey comb?
He said a Spirit doesn't have flesh and bones like he has.
A spirit inside a body makes that person Alive and a Sacrifice means to go without.
Jesus did not go without life but was raised up and exalted with eternal life. No sacrifice was made for you at all redemption is not sacrifice.
Hi bod.Just gotta go back to here….what ARE you talking about? The last supper Bod- you KNOW what im talking about because you'v read the bible for how many years?
Why do I get the feeling your deliberatly twisting everything? Is it just me or maybe I just never saw it before?
The last supper when Jesus said….”..this is my blood of the new covenant, that for many is being poured out to remission of sins…”
What on earth does this have to do with boiled fish honeycomb and spirits??
He believes he is proving that Jesus did not die (which is what he believes) since spirits don't eat. Why he would use one verse out of a book to disprove the rest of the book is beyond me. But it is obvious that he does not understand resurrection.
My opinion – Wm
Hi seeking, thats true.
Bod, the title of this thread….
It seems here like your trying to say that all Christian believers keep on sinning… I know many Christians… have known them since I was a kid…they have been faithfully married all their lives, they help people, they pray, they work for charities, they speak kindly, they dont judge, they have alot of love to give so for Christians like this, they dont keep crucifying Jesus….so what your saying is only applying to those who are Chrsitian in name only, yet are sinners.and contine to do so.
But..
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Theres different stages of faith, example take a teenager who might go to church, gets baptised, then gets lost, and sins… but then they grow up and return to the Lord, and remain in him from that time on, see – there is the lost son. God has mecy.
“… The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; A broken and a contrite heart, O God, Thou wilt not despise”
.”Be gracious to me, O God, according to Thy lovingkindness; According to the greatness of Thy compassion blot out my transgressions. Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity, And cleanse me from my sin. For I know my transgressions, And my sin is ever before me. Against Thee, Thee only, I have sinned, And done what is evil in Thy sight, So that Thou art justified when Thou dost speak, And blameless when Thou dost judge. Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me. Behold, Thou dost desire truth in the innermost being, And in the hidden part Thou wilt make me know wisdom. Purify me with hyssop, and I shall be clean; Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. Make me to hear joy and gladness, Let the bones which Thou hast broken rejoice. Hide Thy face from my sins, And blot out all my iniquities Create in me a clean heart, O God, And renew a steadfast spirit within me. Do not cast me away from Thy presence, And do not take Thy Holy Spirit from me. Restore to me the joy of Thy salvation, And sustain me with a willing spirit. Then I will teach transgressors Thy ways, And sinners will be converted to Thee. Deliver me from bloodguiltness, O God, Thou God of my salvation;”
Quote (bodhitharta @ May 03 2010,10:45) Why is it Christians at once says the blood of Jesus has cleansed them and yet they still seem to keep getting dirty only to say that the blood of Jesus continues to cleanse them. How much blood is there to keep cleansing? What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Romans 6:1-3If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Hebrews 6:5-7
Hi BD:His was a perfect sacrifice which need not be repeated like the sacrifices of animals were under the Old Testament, and that is why the blood will never run out for those who want to be forgiven and cleansed from their sins.
God's promise to Abraham was:
Quote Genesis 26:4 (King James Version) 4And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
Quote Genesis 21:12
And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.Quote Romans 9:4Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Quote Galatians 3:16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Quote Hebrews 9 (King James Version) Hebrews 9
1Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
2For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.
3And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
4Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
5And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.
6Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
7But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
8The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
9Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
11But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
19For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Love in Christ,
MartyOk Bod, im sorry when I said this…
Quote What do you mean? I really think you think your perfect…the most perfect of all, you dont need anything, you dont need redemption, your just…perfect! Should we worship you? I just didnt like how you said this…
Quote Why is it Christians at once says the blood of Jesus has cleansed them and yet they still seem to keep getting dirty You said Christians as in general. As if to make them all look bad. Thats not true.
THE BIBLICAL VIEW OF ATONEMENT
One of the clearest indications that Christianity is off base in its insistence on the centrality of blood sacrifices is that none of the prophets speaks about it. There isn't one instance in the prophetic books where the Jewish people are told that in order to get right with G-d they need to get covered by the blood. If that's the case, what is the fundamental teaching of the Tanach on the issue of atonement? What theme is reiterated time and again by the holy prophets in the Jewish Bible?“That every man will turn from his evil way, then I will forgive their iniquity and their sin.” (Jeremiah 36:3).
“Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts, and let him return to the L-rd, and He will have compassion on him; and to our G-d, for He will abundantly pardon.” (Isaiah 55:7).
“I acknowledged my sin to You, and my iniquity I did not hide; I said, `I will confess my transgressions to the L-rd', and You did forgive the guilt of my sin.” (Psalm 32:5).
“And if My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray, and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.” (II Chronicles 7:14). “But if the wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die. All his transgressions which he has committed will not be remembered against him; because of the righteousness which he has practiced he shall live…When a wicked man turns away from his wickedness which he has committed and practices justice and righteousness, he will save his life…Repent and turn away from all your transgressions, so that iniquity may not become a stumbling block to you (Ezekiel 18:21- 22,27,30).
“By lovingkindness and truth iniquity is atoned for…” (Proverbs 16:6).
“If you return to G-d you will be restored; if you remove unrighteousness far from your tent…then you will delight in G-d…” (Job 22:23-27).
“Depart from evil, and do good, so you will abide forever.” (Psalm 37:27, cf. Ezekiel 33, Zechariah 1:3, Jeremiah 26:13).
The central teaching of the Bible is that only a break with our past and a sincere turning in repentance can restore our relationships with G-d. If I go off the path, I have to put myself back on track, and G-d will forgive me. Even when sacrifices were offered, they in and of themselves didn't effect atonement. The sacrifice was part of the process, it helped bring us to the core of atonement which is achieved by TESHUVAH, returning to G-d by forsaking our evil ways and praying for forgiveness. One of the main teachings of the prophets was to chide Jewish people who thought that sacrifices were the essential element of atonement:
“What are your multiplied sacrifices to Me? says the L-rd. I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed cattle. And I take no pleasure in the blood of bulls, lambs, or goats…Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean; remove the evil of your deeds from My sight. Cease to do evil, Learn to do good; seek justice, reprove the ruthless, defend the orphan, plead for the widow. Come let us reason together says the L-rd, `Though your sins are as scarlet, they will be white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they will be like wool, if you consent and obey…” (Isaiah 1:11-18).
“The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the L-rd.” (Proverbs 15:8).
“To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the L-rd than sacrifice.” (Proverbs 21:3). “For I delight in loyalty rather than sacrifice, and in the knowledge of G-d rather than burnt offerings.” (Hoseah 6:6).
“Has the L-rd as great a delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as in obeying the voice of the L-rd? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken more than the fat of rams.” (I Samuel 15:22).
“With what shall I come to the L-rd, and bow myself before the G-d on high? Shall I come to Him with burnt offerings, with yearling calves? Does the L-rd take delight in thousands of rams, in ten thousand rivers of oil? Shall I present my firstborn for my rebellious acts, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the L-rd require of you but to do justice, to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your G-d.” (Micah 6:6-8,cf. Amos 5:22- 24, Jeremiah 7, Psalm 69:31-32).
Since repentance, and not blood is the Biblical form of atonement, we now understand how in I Kings 8, Solomon explained that even if the Jewish people don't have access to the Temple, they still have access to G-d. This will illuminate a famous story found in the book of Jonah. G-d sends Jonah to the evil city of Ninveh to warn them of their impending destruction. Jonah doesn't come into the city and tell the people that unless they begin offering sacrifices they are doomed. Their response to his warnings is to repent: they fast, pray, and turn from their evil. What is G-d's response?
“When G-d saw their deeds that they turned from their wicked way, then G-d relented concerning the calamity which He had declared He would bring upon them, and He did not do it.” (Jonah 3:10).
In similar fashion, Daniel advised king Nebuchadnezzar on how to atone for his transgressions:
“Therefore, O king, may my advice be pleasing to you: Redeem your sins by doing righteousness, and your iniquities by showing mercy to the poor.” (Daniel 4:27).
This principle will also help explain a passage in the book of Hoseah. Hoseah was a prophet to the 10 northern tribes in the kingdom of Israel during a time when there was a civil war going on between them and the two tribes of the kingdom of Judah in the south. Because of the strife, the tribes up north couldn't get to the Temple in Jerusalem to offer sacrifices. Did this leave them with no way of atoning for their sins? The prophet advises:
“Return, O Israel, to the L-rd your G-d, For you have stumbled because of your iniquity. Take words with you and return to the L-rd. Say to Him, `Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously, for we will render as bullocks the offerings of our lips'.” (Hoseah 14:1-2).
We are able to approach G-d directly with prayer, which is possible at all times; and G-d assures us that sincere prayer can achieve forgiveness for our sins:
“Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O L-rd, the G-d of my salvation. And my tongue shall sing aloud of Your righteousness. O L-rd, open my lips, and my mouth shall show forth Your praise. For You do not delight in burnt offerings. The sacrifices of G-d are a broken spirit, a broken and contrite heart. These, O G-d, You will not despise.” (Psalms 51:14-17, re:II Samuel 12:13).
“I will praise the name of G-d with a song, and will magnify Him with thanksgiving. This shall please the L-rd better than an ox or bullock that has horns and hoofs.” (Psalm 69:30-31).
“For You, L-rd, are good, and ready to forgive, and abundant in lovingkindness to all who call upon You. Give ear, O L-rd to my prayer, and give heed to the voice of my supplications.” (Psalm 86:5-6).
“And listen to the supplications of Your servant and of Your people Israel, when they pray toward this place; hear from heaven Your dwelling place, hear and forgive.” (II Chronicles 6:21).
Are Christians consistent with the Jewish Bible when they claim that atonement is only possible with a blood sacrifice? Did the Rabbis just make up the idea that we can restore our relationship with G-d through prayer and repentance? YOU DECIDE!
Quote (bodhitharta @ May 03 2010,09:45) Why is it Christians at once says the blood of Jesus has cleansed them
Hi BD,Eph.1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood,
the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;Col.1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile
all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.Heb.2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part
of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;Why do you worship Lucifer(satan) and his 'book of fraud'=114(quran)?
Ed J
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