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Hi,
Scripture mentions conscience in many places.
It is universal[2Cor 4.2]
including among christians[2Cor 5.11]
It can be seared[1.Tim 4.2]
It can be oppressive. It say somewhere ? Corinthians “should your conscience accuse you remember God is greater than your conscience”
It can be sound as in Rom 2.14.Can we just leave our salvation then to conscience?
No way. It cannot be trusted.Only God can judge the thoughts and intentions of our hearts.
We do not know our own motivations fully.
We need forgiveness for past follies we may have even forgotten.[1 Cor 4.3-4]
We need to be transformed by the renewing of our hearts.We need the Spirit to lead us in ways of righteousness.
I won’t dispute that.
- Psa 139:23-24 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if [there be any] wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.
- Jer 17:9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
- Psalm 19:12 Who can understand his errors?Cleanse me from secret faults.13 Keep back Your servant also from presumptuous sins;Let them not have dominion over me.Then I shall be blameless,And I shall be innocent of great transgression.
Hmm. Let me see, about this conscience thing. Con and Science. You are a Yanomano, in the South American Jungles, whose conscience dictates, he is holy if he is fierce and they are now headhunters. Your an insurance salesman who sells whole life instead of term. Your a banker with a quota to fill so you give the guy the loan that really can't afford it. We shall be judged by the amount of light that has been shed in us!
Quote (sandra @ April 06 2006,21:31) Hmm. Let me see, about this conscience thing. Con and Science. You are a Yanomano, in the South American Jungles, whose conscience dictates, he is holy if he is fierce and they are now headhunters. Your an insurance salesman who sells whole life instead of term. Your a banker with a quota to fill so you give the guy the loan that really can't afford it. We shall be judged by the amount of light that has been shed in us!
Hi sandra,
or not judged…. if we are in the Son and only appear before his tribunal of blessing ..Perhaps, you shall be judged by the light that has been shed, is for people who are not saved. Like the Yanomano, or others who say grew up in Rwanda or elsewhere where they never had an opportunity to hear the gospel.
Hi sandra,
Judgement is God's alone, but He has given us a way of bypassing that judgement throiugh salvation in Jesus whom He does not judge.Sandra
You raise some very good points.
Where do all the people come from who are in the 1000 years reign of Christ.
It says we shall rule and reign with Christ during this time.
Over who? could this group who we reside over be made up of those who have never heard the gospel?
They would certainly get the chance to hear about it then.
After the 1000 years the rest of the dead are raised and the Devil loosed. He goes about trying to decieve all he can, (as ever) and let's face it those who he decieved previously are likely to stay decieved. There are those who died rather than be decieved (foolish virgin?) and who else is left? Those who never heard the word to start with…
I don't know, just some wild ideas to throw around.
Go ahead shoot me down in flames. I don't mind – really.
After all that's what this forum's for isn't it?
Oh btw that last comment is not just for Sandra but the whole forum.
And I mean what I say, I welcome criticism, it exposes our wrong thoughts, sharpens what we have right and if it is done correctly edifies all.The first thing I would like to say Malcolm is that I truely am spiritually nourished by the light of the word in you!
Quote Where do all the people come from who are in the 1000 years reign of Christ. I cannot explain this but I only see the Lamb of God, and to fall down upon the throne and worship there! But on earth, in the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth,
The Lord has shown me that all are royalty is his kingdom, that every family comes from royal lineage, the remnant are merely the first fruits of His offspring.
But there are others who are not of spiritual Israel. Who are in the Kingdom of Heaven but not royal priesthood!Quote (sandra @ April 07 2006,00:40) The first thing I would like to say Malcolm is that I truely am spiritually nourished by the light of the word in you! Quote Where do all the people come from who are in the 1000 years reign of Christ. I cannot explain this but I only see the Lamb of God, and to fall down upon the throne and worship there! But on earth, in the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth,
The Lord has shown me that all are royalty is his kingdom, that every family comes from royal lineage, the remnant are merely the first fruits of His offspring.
But there are others who are not of spiritual Israel. Who are in the Kingdom of Heaven but not royal priesthood!
Hi sandra,
All are saved then? Sounds like universalism heresy.How do you check whether your inspirations are from God?
I don't think all are saved.
I believe a great many will perish in the great punishment of God to come, sadly.
I certailnly believe those who were told the truth will be made to give an account for it.
But I also see a provision for God to wink at ignorance. i.e. if they never heard the gospel I believe they may get a crack at it, for it would seem a bit unfair if they merely were judged on the merits of their works in ignorance.
So when would they get a chance to hear it and then be tested? …Quote Hi sandra,
All are saved then? Sounds like universalism heresy.How do you check whether your inspirations are from God?
Quote I don't think all are saved.
Malcolm and Nick, I seriously must have worded what I said wrong. I thought our discussion was about the 1000 year reign, what, who, will reign, yes, everyone who is reigning during the 1000 year reign will be saved wouldn't you agree?
You both should be less quick to judge and read your own notes.Quote (sandra @ April 07 2006,04:03) I thought our discussion was about the 1000 year reign, what, who, will reign, yes, everyone who is reigning during the 1000 year reign will be saved wouldn't you agree?
Will be saved? ARE saved already I would say – saved from any further judgement – saved from the second death…
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