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  • #43647
    Phoenix
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    Hi Nick

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    Is Saturday worship a sign of God's Spirit?

    Yes!! Much like the mark 666 is the Sign of the Devil… right?

    The Sabbath was still being worshipped years after Jesus died. So evidently Jesus didnt do away with the Sabbath it was changed many years later by whom?

    Who was it that moved the Saturday worship to a Sunday? Jesus? God? or Satan?

    Who are you worshipping?

    The Sabbath was still being worshipped years after Jesus died. So evidently Jesus didnt do away with the Sabbath it was changed many years later by whom?

    I wish Jesus did change Mary to a Man now… just to show that just because a woman made a move doesnt mean she is false or anything.

    Hugs
    Phoenix

    #43648
    Phoenix
    Participant

    Oops sorry about the double sentence there lol

    #43652
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi P,
    The sons of God do not worship the sabbath but worship God every day in the temple God gave them.

    #43722
    Faith First
    Participant

    THE SABBATH IN EARLY HISTORY

    1st Century A.D.:
    Jesus. “And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read.” Luke 4:16.
    Jesus. “But pray ye that your flight be not in winter, neither on the Sabbath day.” Matthew 24:20.
    Paul. “And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three Sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures.” Acts 17:2.
    Paul and the Gentiles. “And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. And the next Sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the Word of God.” Acts 13:42,44.
    2nd Century: Early Christians. “The primitive Christians had a great veneration for the Sabbath, and spent the day in devotion and sermons. And it is not to be doubted but they derived their practice from the Apostles themselves, as appears by several scriptures to that purpose.” Dialogue on the Lord’s Day, 189. London: 1701. By Dr. T.H. Morer (Church of England).
    3rd and 4th Centuries: Orient and Most of the World. “The ancient Christians were very careful in the observation of Saturday, or the seventh day . . . it is plain that all the Oriental churches, and the greatest part of the world, observed the Sabbath as a festival . . . Athanasius likewise tells us that they held religious assemblies on the Sabbath, not because they were infected with Judaism, but to worship Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath; Epiphanius says the same.” Antiquities of the Christian Church, vol. 2, Book XX, chap. 3, section 166, 1137, 1138.
    Council of Laodicea. “From the apostles’ time until the council of Laodicea, which was about the year 364, the holy observation of the Jews’ Sabbath continued, as may be proved out of man authors; yea, notwithstanding the decree of the council against it.” Sunday a Sabbath, John Ley, 163. London: 1640.
    5th Century: Constantinople. “The people of Constantinople and almost everywhere, assemble together on the Sabbath, as well as on the first day of the week, which custom is never observed in Rome or at Alexandria.” Socrates, Ecclesiastical History, Book 7, chap. 19.
    6th Century: Rome. “About 590, Pope Gregory, in a letter to the Roman people, denounced as the prophets of Antichrist those who maintained that work ought not be done on the seventh day.” James T. Ringgold, The Law of Sunday, 267.
    7th Century: Scotland and Ireland. “It seems to have been customary in the Celtic churches of early times, in Ireland as well as Scotland, to keep Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath, as a day of rest from labour. They obeyed the fourth commandment literally upon the seventh day of the week.” Professor James C. Moffat, D.D., Professor of Church History at Princeton, The Church in Scotland, 140.
    8th Century: India, China and Persia. “Widespread and enduring was the observance of the seventh-day Sabbath among the believers of the Church of the East and the St. Thomas Christians of India, who never were connected with Rome. It also was maintained among those bodies which broke off from Rome after the Council of Chalcedon namely, the Abysinians, the Jacobites, the Maronites, and the Armenians.” Schaff¾ Herzog, The New Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, art. Nestorians; also Realencyclopadie fur Protestantische Theologie und Kirche, art. Nestorianer.
    10th Century: Church of the East, Kurdistan. “The Nestorians eat no pork and keep the Sabbath. They believe in neither auricular confession nor purgatory.” Schaff¾ Herzog, The New Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, art. Nestorians.
    11th Century: Scotland. “They held that Saturday was properly the Sabbath on which they abstained from work.” Celtic Scotland, col. 2, 350.
    12th Century: Wales. “There is much evidence that the Sabbath prevailed in Wales universally until A.D. 1115, when the first Roman bishop was seated at St. David’s. The Old Welsh Sabbath-keeping churches did not even then altogether bow the knee to Rome, but fled to their hiding places.” Lewis, Seventh Day Baptist in Europe and America, vol. 1, 29.
    13th Century: Waldenses of France. “The inquisitors . . . [declare] that the sign of a Vaudois, deemed worthy of death, was that the followed Christ, and sought to obey the commandments of God.” History of the Inquisition of the Middle Ages, H.C. Lea, vol. 1.
    “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ . . . Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.” Revelation 12:17; 14:12.
    15th Century: Norway. “We are informed that some people in different districts of the kingdom, have adopted and observed Saturday-keeping. It is severely forbidden¾ in the holy church canon¾ one and all to observe days excepting those which the holy Pope, archbishop, or the bishops command. Saturday-keeping must under no circumstances be permitted hereafter further than the church canon commands. Therefore, we counsel all the friends of God throughout all Norway who want to be obedient towards the holy church to let this evil of Saturday-keeping alone; and the rest we forbid under penalty of severe church punishment to keep Saturday holy.”” Catholic Provincial Council at Bergen, 1435. Dip. Noverg., 7, 397.
    “He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law.” Daniel 7:25

    THE SABBATH IN LATER HISTORY

    16th Century: Council of Trent. “On the 18th of January, 1563, the Council of Trent ruled that Tradition is greater than Scripture, after a powerful speech by the Archbishop of Reggio, in which he said that the fact that the Church had changed the Fourth Commandment clearly proved that Tradition was greater than the Scripture.” H.J. Holtzman, Kanon und Tradition, 1859 edition, 263.
    Jesus replied, “Why do you also transgress the commandments of God because of your tradition? . . . Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying: ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.” Matthew 15:3, 6-9
    Holland and Germany. “Barbara of Thiers, who was executed in 1529, declared: ‘God has commanded us to rest on the seventh day.’” Martyrology of the Churches of Christ, commonly called Baptists, during the era of the Reformation, from the Dutch of T.J. Van Bright, London 1850, 1, 113, 114.
    Russia. “The accused [Sabbath-keepers] were summoned; they openly acknowledged the new faith, and defended the same. The most eminent of them, the secretary of state, Kuritzyn, Ivan Maximo, Kassian, archimandrite of the jury Monastery of Novgorod, were condemned to death, and burned publicly in cages, at Moscow, December 27, 1503.” (Council, Moscow, 1503). H. Sternberf, Geschichte der Juden (Leipzig, 1873), 1117, 1122.
    Sweden. “This zeal for Saturday-keeping continued for a long time; even little things which might strengthen the practice for keeping Sunday were punished.” Bishop Anjou, Svenska Kirkans Historia efter Motet I Upsala.
    Europe. About the year 1520 many of these Sabbath-keepers found shelter on the estate of Lord Leonhardt of Liechtenstein, “as princes of Lichtenstein held to the observance of the true Sabbath.” History of the Sabbath, J. N. Andrews, 649.
    India. “The famous Jesuit, Francis Xavier, called for the Inquisition, which was set up in Goa, India, in 1560, to check the ‘Jewish wickedness’ (Sabbath-keeping).” Adeney, The Greek and Eastern Churches, 527, 528.
    Abyssinia. “It is not therefore, in imitation of the Jews, but in obedience to Christ and His holy apostles, that we observe that day.” (Abyssinian legate at court of Lisbon, 1534). Geddes’ Church History of Ethiopi
    a, 87, 88.
    17th Century: England. “Here in England are about nine or ten churches that keep the Sabbath, besides many scattered disciples, who have been eminently preserved.” Stennet’s letters, 1668 and 1670. Cox. Sab., 1, 268.
    Dr. Peter Chamberlain. Dr. Peter Chamberlain was physician to King James and Queen Katherine. The inscription on the monument over his grave says Dr. Chamberlain was “a Christian, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, being baptised about the year 1648, and keeping the seventh day for the Sabbath above thirty-two years.”
    America. “Stephen Mumford, the first Sabbath-keeper in America came from London in 1644.” History of the Seventh day Baptist General Conference by Jas. Bailey, 237, 238.
    England. “It will surely be far safer to observe the seventh day, according to the express commandment of God, than on the authority of mere human conjecture to adopt the first.” John Milton, Sab. Lit., 2, 46-54.
    18th Century: Romania. (1760). “Joseph II’s edict of tolerance did not apply to the Sabbatarians, some of whom again lost all their possessions.” Jahrgang 2, 254.
    Bohemia and Moravia. “The condition of the Sabbatarians [from 1635 to 1867] was dreadful. Their books and writings had to be delivered to the Karlsburg Consistory to become the spoil of flames.” Adolf Dux, Aux Ungarn, 289-291, Leipzig, 1880.
    America. Before Zinzendorf and the Moravians at Bethlehem thus began the observance of the Sabbath and prospered, there was a small body of German Sabbath-keepers in Pennsylvania. See Rupp’s History of Religious Denominations in the United States, 109-123.
    19th Century to present: America. The Seventh-day Adventist movement was formed in 1844.
    China. “The Taipings, when asked why they observed the seventh day Sabbath, replied that it was, first, because the Bible taught it, and second, because their ancestors observed it as a day of worship.” A Critical History of the Sabbath and the Sunday.
    Sweden. “We will now endeavor to show that the sanctification of the Sabbath has its foundation and its origin in a law which God at creation itself established for the whole world, and as a consequence thereof is binding on all men in all ages.” May 30, 1863, p. 169. Evangelisten (The Evangelist) Stockholm, May 30 to August 15, 1863, (organ of the Swedish Baptist Church).

    We gratefully acknowledge J. F. Coltheart, who personally consulted old manuscripts and the original sources of many of these quotations in the libraries and museums of Europe, Constantinople and the East.

    #43723
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi FF,
    OT Legal observance as a hope for salvation is a diversion that causes many to be deceived.
    The way is Christ who has fulfilled the Law for us.

    #43724
    Phoenix
    Participant

    Oh Nick

    why do you ignore what we are saying. We do not look for salvation in the OT or the Laws. We know Jesus is our Salvation. But we also know that the Ten Commandments are not obsolete. We didnt say that if you keep the Laws you are saved. We were saying that the Ten Commandments still stand today including the Sabbath day. Salvation is another subject altogether.

    Its about worship.. so I thought. Remembering we still have a GOD.

    Hugs
    Phoenix

    #43754
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi P,
    Gal 4
    Note that this is written to the Jews-see v 4-6
    1Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;

    2But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.

    3Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

    4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

    5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

    6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

    7Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

    8Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

    9But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

    10Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

    11I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

    12Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all.

    13Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.

    14And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

    15Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if it had been possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me.

    16Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

    17They zealously affect you, but not well; yea, they would exclude you, that ye might affect them.

    18But it is good to be zealously affected always in a good thing, and not only when I am present with you.

    19My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

    20I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.

    21Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

    22For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

    23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

    24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

    25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

    26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

    27For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

    28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

    29But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

    30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

    31So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

    #43757
    kenrch
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2007,20:08)
    Hi P,
    Gal 4
    Note that this is written to the Jews-see v 4-6
    1Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;

    2But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.

    3Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

    4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

    5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

    6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

    7Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

    8Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

    9But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

    10Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

    11I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

    12Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all.

    13Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.

    14And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

    15Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if it had been possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me.

    16Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

    17They zealously affect you, but not well; yea, they would exclude you, that ye might affect them.

    18But it is good to be zealously affected always in a good thing, and not only when I am present with you.

    19My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

    20I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.

    21Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

    22For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

    23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

    24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

    25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

    26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

    27For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

    28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

    29But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

    30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

    31So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.


    Yes Nick it's written to Jews Verse10.

    What law was fulfilled at the time of Moses? Were any Gentiles saved. Both sets of law was given at Sinai. One placed IN the ark and the other ON the Side of the ark. Deu. 10:1-5; 31:9, 26.

    You still have nothing you have been trying for what a week and still no scripture.

    #43760
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi kenrch,
    Do you understand the importance of Christ unifying the Jews under Law with the Lawless gentiles under a new Law of freedom-that of the Spirit. It seems you have put on OT glasses.

    #43762
    kenrch
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2007,20:39)
    Hi kenrch,
    Do you understand the importance of Christ unifying the Jews under Law with the Lawless gentiles under a new Law of freedom-that of the Spirit. It seems you have put on OT glasses.


    What new law do the Gentiles have? Scripture Nick :)

    #43764
    kenrch
    Participant

    Hey Nick if your wife asked that you be home on Saturdays would you make sure you weren't home? God ask (I don't have too I have a choice) that I keep the Sabbath day and because I love Him I do.

    I love the truth! :)

    IHL,

    kenrch

    #43765
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi kenrch,
    You want to fulfill the OT Law?
    Then listen to Paul;

    Galatians 5:14
    For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, ” YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.”

    #43814
    Phoenix
    Participant

    Hi Nick

    Galatian 3:10
    10All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[c]

    [c] Galatians 3:10 Deut. 27:26

    This is speaking about the Laws that Moses later wrote in a book. That was placed on the side of the Ark in Deut 31:26. Above is the NIV

    Below is the KJV for your convenience.

    10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

    Hugs
    Phoenix

    #43815
    Phoenix
    Participant

    Moses did not write the Ten Commandments. God did. With his finger

    Hugs
    Phoenix

    #43817
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi P,
    And they were given by angels.
    Galatians 3:19
    Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made.
    Hebrews 2:2
    For if the word spoken through angels proved unalterable, and every transgression and disobedience received a just penalty,

    #43820
    Faith First
    Participant

    What do the scriptures say about Sabbath and Sunday in the Bible?

    Did the Creator bless the Sabbath? Yes! Genesis 2:3. Did He bless Sunday? No!
    Did He hallow the Sabbath? Yes! Exodus 20:11. Did He allow Sunday? No!
    Did He command the keeping of Sabbath? Yes! Exodus 20:8-11. Did He command the keeping of Sunday? No!
    Did He rest on the Sabbath? Yes! Exodus 20:11. Did He rest on Sunday? No!
    Did He call the Sabbath His Holy Day? Yes! Isaiah 58:13. Did He call Sunday His Holy Day? No!
    Does He offer great reward to you for keeping holy the Sabbath? Yes! Isaiah 58:13-14. Does He offer great reward for keeping holy Sunday? No!
    Will the Sabbath be kept in the New Earth? Yes! Isaiah 66:23. Will Sunday be kept in the New Earth? No!
    Should the saints pray about the Sabbath? Yes! Matthew 24:20. Should the saints pray about Sunday? No!
    Did holy women keep the Sabbath according to the commandments? Yes! Luke 23:56. Did holy women keep Sunday according to any commandment? No!
    Was it the Saviour's custom to keep the Sabbath? Yes! Luke 4:16. Was it the Saviour's custom to keep Sunday? No!
    Was it Paul's “manner” to worship on Sabbath? Yes! Acts 17:2. Was it Paul's “manner” to worship on Sunday? No!
    Were people punished by God for Sabbath breaking? Yes! Jeremiah 17:27. Were people punished by God for Sunday breaking? No!
    Will some little horn power think to change Divine time? Yes! Daniel 7:25. Will the Almighty ever change? No! Malachi 3:6.
    Are those who keep the commandments of the Almighty blessed? Yes! Revelation 22:14. Are those who keep the traditions of men blessed? No! Matthew 15:3.
    Do scriptures say that the Law would NOT be abolished or changed by Messiah? Yes! Matthew 5:17-18. Do they say that Messiah would abolish or change His laws? No!
    Are there six working days? Yes! Ezekiel 46:1. Is the Sabbath one of these working days? No! Exodus 20:8-11.
    Did Paul make tents on the six working days? Yes! Acts 18:3. Did Paul make tents on the Sabbath? No! Acts 18:4.
    Is the Sabbath a sign of our sanctification? Yes! Ezekiel 20:12. Is Sunday a sign of our sanctification? No!
    Does scripture say that the Saviour is the Ruler, Master, Owner of the Sabbath? Yes! Mark 2:28. Do they say that the Saviour is the Ruler or Master or Sunday? No!
    Is teaching for doctrines the commandments of men vain worship? Yes! Matthew 15:9. Is teaching for doctrines the commandments of the Almighty vain worship? No! Matthew 19:17.
    Are we not under the Law, but under Grace? Yes! Romans 6:14. Does Grace allow us to transgress the Law? No! Romans 6:15, 3:20.
    Does Faith establish the Law? Yes! Romans 3:31. Does Faith annul the Law? No!
    Did Jesus say that we should teach others to observe the Law? Yes! Matthew 5:19. Did He say that we should teach others to break the Law? No!
    Saturday is still named 'Sabbath' in the Greek language (Sabato) as well as in Spanish, Portuguese, Italian and in over 100 languages of the world. In Italy it is called Sabbato, in Spain Sabado, in Portugal Sabbado, in Russia Subbota and Poland Sobota. All of these names mean “Sabbath” or “rest day” in their various languages. This proves that when these languages originated at Babel in Genesis 11, Saturday was recognized as the Sabbath day and was incorporated into the very name of the day. Except for languages that have adopted the pagan names for the days of the week, the seventh day is still called the Sabbath as the Lord named it at creation.

    #43821
    Faith First
    Participant

    The Bible Sabbath of Jesus Christ

    Ten Reasons Why the Sabbath is not Jewish

    1) Adam and Eve were not Jewish.
    “God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it.” Genesis 2:3. This was “pre-sin.” “Sanctified” means “to be set apart for holy use.” The only ones in Eden to “sanctify” the Sabbath were Adam and Eve, who were not Jewish.

    2) “The Sabbath was made for man.” Mark 2:27.
    Jesus said this. It was “made” in the garden of Eden before it was “written” on Mount Sinai. The Sabbath was “made” for “man,” not “just for the Jews.”

    3) The other Nine are not “Just for the Jews.”
    God wrote “Ten Commandments” on stone, not just nine. Deuteronomy 10:1-5. Does adultery, murder, stealing and lying apply “only to Jews”?

    4) “The seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God.”
    Exodus 20:10. God calls it, “my holy day.” Isaiah 58:13. The Bible never calls it “the Sabbath of the Jews.” It is not their Sabbath. It is God's.

    5) The Sabbath Commandment is for the “Stranger” too.
    The Fourth Commandment itself says the “stranger” is to rest on the Sabbath. Exodus 20:10. Strangers are Gentiles. Read Isaiah 56:6.

    6) Isaiah said Gentiles should keep the Sabbath.
    “Also the sons of the stranger … every one that keepeth the Sabbath … for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.” Isaiah 56:6,7.

    7) “All” mankind will keep the Sabbath in the New Earth.
    In “the new earth … from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.” Isaiah 66:22-23. Why not start now?

    8) Gentiles kept the Sabbath in the Book of Acts.
    “The Gentiles besought that these words be preached to them the next sabbath … Paul and Barnabas … persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.” Acts 13:42-43. Here “grace saved” Gentiles kept the Sabbath.

    9) “The whole law” is for “all the world,” not just Jews.
    James and Paul wrote these words. Read Romans 3:19; James 2:10-11.

    10) Luke was a Gentile who kept the Sabbath.
    Luke was the only Gentile writer in the New Testament. He traveled with Paul and wrote, “On the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side.” Acts 16:13. It was the Creation Sabbath. Both Luke and Paul knew it.

    Can We Know What Day is the Sabbath?

    1) “The seventh day is the Sabbath” Exodus 20:10

    2) Jesus Christ Knew Jesus “went into the synagogue on the sabbath day.” Luke 4:16.

    3) Ask any Jew Jews have been keeping the same Sabbath on Saturday for over 3000 years.

    4) The Calendar The calendar was changed once, in 1582, from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian. Thursday, October 4, was followed by Friday, October 15. No change has ever affected the weekly sequence. Most calendars show Saturday as the seventh day.

    5) 105 Languages In over 100 languages the name for the seventh day, or Saturday, is “the Sabbath.” For example, Saturday in Spanish is “Sabado.” In Italy, “Sabbato.” In Russia, “Subbota.” In Poland, “Sobota.” Etc.

    6) Webster's Dictionary “Saturday: the 7th day of the week.” “Sunday: the first day of the week.”

    7) The World Book Encyclopedia “Sabbath … It comes on Saturday, the seventh day of the week.”

    8) The Biblical Sequence of the Crucifixion Weekend Jesus died on “Good Friday,” the day before the Sabbath. Luke 23:46,54. When the sun went down, the woman rested on “the sabbath day according to the commandment.” Luke 23:56. Jesus rose on what is called “Easter Sunday,” the “first day of the week.” Luke 24:1,6.
    Would God say “Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy” if it was impossible to find out what day to remember?

    The Sabbath Issue in the New Testament
    During the Ministry of Jesus Christ

    The Sabbath was a big issue during the ministry of Jesus. The issue was not what day is the Sabbath, but rather how to keep the Sabbath. The Pharisees invented many burdensome traditions about the Sabbath which did not come from God. Jesus often rebuked them for laying these traditions on men's shoulders.” Matthew 23:4. They were continually “teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” Matthew 15:9. Let's not be like them.

    The Pharisees became very angry with Jesus because He did not keep the Sabbath their way. They made up a rule, “No healing on the Sabbath.” Jesus ignored their “rule.” One day, “the ruler of the synagogue” challenged Christ “because that Jesus healed on the sabbath day.” Luke 13:14. Jesus countered, “Ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?” Luke

    13:16. In His many Sabbath healings (John 5:1-9; Mark 1:21-27; etc.), Jesus Christ revealed His Divinity and His power over Satan For this very reason, the Jews plotted His death. “Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only broke the sabbath, but also said God was his Father, making himself equal with God.” John 5:18. Jesus never “broke the sabbath” (see John 15:10), and He is 'equal with God.”

    The Pharisees accused Jesus and His disciples of doing “that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath day.” Matthew 12:1. But Jesus said they were “guiltless,” having only done that which was “lawful … on the sabbath.” Matthew 12:7,12. Christ declared, “The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath day.” Mark 2:27,28. Here Jesus pointed back to the Creation. Man was made on the sixth day, and “the sabbath was made” on the seventh day to be a blessing to man. Genesis 1:27,31; 2:1-3. Those Pharisees; had changed the order by putting the Sabbath first above the needs of man! (Is it right to change the order again by making the “first day of the week” a new Sabbath?)

    Jesus is “Lord also of the sabbath day.” He made the world. He “made” the Sabbath. It is “the Lord's Day.” Revelation 1:10. He knows how to keep it. It was not wrong for Him to meet needs on His Holy Day.
    In the New Testament Church

    The Sabbath was not an issue at all in the New Testament Church. There was no controversy over it in the book of Acts or in any of the epistles. If the Sabbath had been changed or abolished, there would have been much discussion about this by the New Testament Church. But there was none. The early church kept the Sabbath. Acts 13:12,42-44; 16:13; etc. See “Sabbath Facts in the Book of Acts”.

    How to Keep the Sabbath Holy

    1) The Sabbath is a Special Day to Focus on Jesus Christ.
    John was “in the spirit on the Lord's day.” Revelation 1:10. Jesus is “Lord even of the sabbath day.” Matthew 12:8. “The seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord.” Exodus 20:10. God calls it “my holy day.” Isaiah 58:13. The Sabbath .was made for man” when “God … created all things by Jesus Christ.” Mark 2:27; Ephesians 3:9 (KJV). Jesus made the world in six days and “rested on the seventh day.” See Genesis 1; 2:2; Colossians 1:16. Thus the Sabbath is a special day to focus on the Jesus Christ as the Creator and Sustainer of all life. It is a day to come apart from the normal stresses and cares of everyday living, to be refreshed and blessed by the great Creator who loves and died for us.

    2) “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work.” Exodus 20:8-10.
    This is the Fourth Commandment. We are to work at our normal jobs during the six working days, but from sundown Friday night until sundown Saturday night, we should “not do any work.” Late Friday afternoon, after Jesus died, “the sabbath drew on.” Luke 23:54. Then Christ's followers “rested the
    sabbath day according to the commandment.” Luke 23:56. Secular business should be laid aside. Shopping, laundry, homework, and housecleaning should be done during the six working days. The Bible also calls buying and selling on the Sabbath an “evil thing.” Nehemiah 13:15-22.
    The Lord says, “If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath [from walking on it], from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord honourable; and shalt honor him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: Then shalt thou delight thyself in the Lord … for the mouth of the Lord has spoken it.” Isaiah 58:13-14. The Pharisees made the Sabbath a burden, but Jesus wants us to “call the sabbath a delight,” and to “delight” ourselves in Him. Sabbath-keeping is something we “grow into” as Jesus teaches us how to “keep it holy.”

    3) Friday is “the preparation day.” Luke 23:54.
    The “preparation day” is a good day for dusting, ironing and housecleaning. When the sun sets our minds should be free from care to focus on Jesus. In the wilderness, the Lord instructed Israel to “bake what you bake” on the day before the Sabbath. Exodus 16:23-29. Paul specifically said the history of Israel in the wilderness is “an example” for us “upon whom the ends of the world are come.” 1 Corinthians 10:6,11. If a special meal is planned for the Sabbath, it would be good to do as much of the cooking as possible on Friday.

    4) Jesus was in “the synagogue on the sabbath day.” Luke 4:16.
    Jesus worshiped with the people of God every Sabbath. Luke 4:16,31,32. We should not “forsake the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is.” Hebrews 10:25. In “the new earth … from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.” Isaiah 66:22,23. We all need the blessing of “fellowship” with other believers who love Jesus and want to keep His commandments. Exodus 20:6; John 14:15; 1 John 1:7.

    5) Jesus said, “it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.” Matthew 12:12.
    Jesus healed and helped many people on the Sabbath. See Mark 1:21-27; Matthew 12:10-13; Luke 13:10-17. The Sabbath is a good day to visit the sick, help someone in need, etc. Thus we can follow the example of Jesus.

    6) “For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth … and rested on the seventh day. Wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.” Exodus 20:11.
    The Sabbath is a wonderful day to enjoy the beautiful things of nature. Take the children for a walk in the park. Relax under a tree. Read the Bible by a stream or lake. Enjoy special fellowship with the One would said, “Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them.” Ezekial 20:12. The Sabbath reveals the glorious truth that the One who created our entire world in six days, and rested on the seventh, is also able to re-create our hearts back into His own image. See Genesis 1:26; Psalms 51:10; Ephesians 4:21-24.

    7) What if I have to work on the Sabbath?
    Kindly approach your employer and say, “I can no longer work on the Sabbath. How can we work around this?” Tens of thousands have done this. Most employers will accommodate firm religious convictions. Even if you lose your job, God will help you find another one. Study Daniel 3. God blessed the three Hebrews who refused to break the Second Commandment. At the end of the chapter, they were promoted. If you stand up for Jesus, He will stand up for you. If you are the only member in your family who wants to keep the Sabbath, don't push it on them. Jesus will guide. and help you step by step if you look to Him for direction and strength. See Psalms 29:11.

    “Blessed are those who do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life and may enter in through the gates into the city … the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.” Rev. 22:14,21 (KJV).

    #43823
    Phoenix
    Participant

    Hi Nick

    Quote
    Hi P,
    And they were given by angels.
    Galatians 3:19
    Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made.
    Hebrews 2:2
    For if the word spoken through angels proved unalterable, and every transgression and disobedience received a just penalty,

    Again, the Ten Commandments were written by God on Mt Sinai. Not Angels.

    Exodus 34
    1 The LORD said to Moses, “Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke.

    Moses Law was written by Moses.

    Deut 31:24,26
    24 After Moses finished writing in a book the words of this law from beginning to end, 25 he gave this command to the Levites who carried the ark of the covenant of the LORD : 26 “Take this Book of the Law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God. There it will remain as a witness against you.

    Hugs
    Phoenix

    #43825
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi P,
    Angels are agents of the work of God.

    #43832
    Faith First
    Participant

    No Nick. The Ten Commandments were written by God, not angels.

    Deu 9:10  And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God

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