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Hi e, Paul the zealous Pharisee said in 1Cor 9.20f
” To the Jews I became as aJew, so that I might win Jews;to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law so that I might win those who are under the Law;to those who are without Law[gentiles] as without Law, though not being without the Law of {YHWH}but under the Law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without Law[gentiles]”We are not under the Old Law or Old Covenant but under the New Covenant and the New Law of Christ. What about you eliyah?
Go read my Article Nick.
The Law of Messiah is the same law of YHWH, and the New Covenant is the writing of those SAME LAWS AND COMMANDMENTS in our Hearts and Minds( Jer.31:32-33; Heb.8:10), Paul makes NO mention of a separate Covenant between YHWH and the Gentiles.
Show me where Paul mentioned a Separate Covenant between YHWH and the Gentiles other than ( Jer.31:32-33; Heb.8:10)????
Wrong again Nick, go read my Article very close.
Eliyah C.
I do obey them ALL Nick,but you only want to obey the ONE that you choose that fits your lifestyle.
Show me where Paul mentioned a Separate Covenant between YHWH and the Gentiles other than ( Jer.31:32-33; Heb.8:10)?
Show me?
Hi e,
Lets go through this one more time.
The first covenant was with the Israelites.
The second covenant includes all who want to respond-Jew and gentile.Is that clear enough?
And that ONLY COVENANT is explicitly written and mentioned by Paul in ( Heb.8:10) where he quoted from ( Jer.31:31-32).
I asked you before, to SHOW ME where Paul even mentions ANOTHER “” COVENANT “” AT??
You can't, because you know that it is not there!
Can't you even understand English?
Hi e,
Do you not know the inner teaching of the Spirit of Yahweh?Rom 8.2
” For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death”Why don't you BACK UP AND READ ( Rom.7:23) THAT IS THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH that Paul talked about, NOT the Law of El( Yah).
READ IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stop mimicking modern baalism!
Quote (Eliyah @ Sep. 14 2005,07:40) And that ONLY COVENANT is explicitly written and mentioned by Paul in ( Heb.8:10) where he quoted from ( Jer.31:31-32). I asked you before, to SHOW ME where Paul even mentions ANOTHER “” COVENANT “” AT??
You can't, because you know that it is not there!
Can't you even understand English?
Hi e,
Yeshua
Lk 22.20
“..the new covenant in my blood..”
Mk 14.24,Mt 26.28.
“This is my blood of the covenant”
With Paul
1Cor 11.25
“This cup is the new covanant in my blood”
2Cor 3.6,Heb 7.22,8.6-10,(.15,!2.24,Quote Hi e,
Yeshua
Lk 22.20
“..the new covenant in my blood..”
Mk 14.24,Mt 26.28.
“This is my blood of the covenant”
With Paul
1Cor 11.25
“This cup is the new covanant in my blood”
2Cor 3.6,Heb 7.22,8.6-10,(.15,!2.24,Isn't all these people BOTH HEBREW AND GENTILES mentioned above ( Heb.8:10)???
I hear a tiny voice out there, but I just can't seem to make out what they're saying, I wonder could it be Nick trying to say something??
Sorry, I just can't seem to hear it or make it out.
Yes e,
As I have stated many times in different ways the new covenant makes one body of all, Jew and gentile, who want to be reborn now.Hi Nick
Being a good girl I read all the scriptures you posted
Annnd some. (scriptures around those you suggested)Ok, I see what Paul wrote. I also understand that Peter said that Pauls letters were hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other scriptures
Bless you Peter!! however Im not trying to be ignorant but a little unstable I admit yes however I dont want to distort scripture either. But what puzzles me is why would Paul say this…
Rom 3:31
Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.I also noticed that Hebrews, discusses the differences between the old Law and the new Law. But when it talks about the Old Law it only talks about the sacrificial Law or the status/position of Jesus compared to Moses. NOthing of the 10 commandments. HOWEVER, I found in Hebrews Chapter 4:1-13 I understand that the Sabbath still stands.
So as far as I know, its the sacrificial laws that Jesus took away. Hence his own Sacrifice. And that sacrificial law wasnt even one of the 10 commandments so isnt this separation of Law mainly about the sacrifice?
Help me Nick
Hugs
PhoenixHi P,
Romans and Galatians were written to Jewish converts who had come out of a law based understanding of God's righteousness and Paul had to plead with them to walk in the new Law of the Spirit and not go back to trying to please God by returning to just following that Law, the old and limited master of the Jews, that could no longer save them. But their insecurities preferred a list of regulations and sins to avoid rather than trust and love.The New Covenant
Hebrews 8:7-8 For if that first [covenant] had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:The fault in the old covenant were the people of Israel who were part of the covenant.
The covenant in fact was an everlasting covenant. 1 Chronicles 16:16 [Even of the covenant] which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac;
16:17 And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, [and] to Israel [for] an everlasting covenant,
Though the children of Israel did not keep their part of the covenant God was still prepared to keep His part; renewing and reviving the existing covenant through Jesus. The new covenant was actually a renewed covenant.What was the old covenant and how was it ratified? It was an agreement between God and Israel described in Exodus 19:5-8 whereby the people promised the keep the ten commandments. It was ratified by the blood of animals. Ex 24:7-8. The poor promises of the people failed because they tried to obey in human strength alone.
In comparison, the new covenant was instituted and ratified by the blood of Jesus at His death (Hebrews 12:24; 13:20; Matthew 26:28). It went into effect when He died. “For a testament [covenant] is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.” Hebrews 9:17.Now get this point also about the new covenant: “Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannuleth, or addeth thereto.” Galatians 3:15. This means that after the death of Christ, nothing could be added to or taken away from the new covenant. This is why Jesus introduced the Lord's Supper on Thursday night before He died–so that it would come under the new covenant (Matthew 26:28).
But ponder this question, and don't miss the significance of it. When did SUNdaykeeping begin? All will answer, “After the resurrection of Jesus.” Then it could not be a part of the new covenant. Nothing could be added after the death of Jesus, the Testator.There are some that believe that the new covenant is a licence to sin. They believe that grace does away with the law of God. This is not grace but disgrace!
Said the apostle Paul
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?Romans6:12-16 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in . the lusts thereof
Neither yield ye your members [as] instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members [as] instruments of righteousness unto God.
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to
whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Romans 6:22-23 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto
holiness, and the end everlasting life.
For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.John 14:15 (Jesus Himself said) “If you love Me keep My commandments”
Mathew 5:17-19 (Jesus speaking) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in (by those in) the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in (by those in) the kingdom of heaven.
1John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him
Proverbs 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer [shall be] abomination.
Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.
Mathew 15:3 (Jesus speaking) But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Mathew 15:9 (Jesus speaking) But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.You see my friend we are not saved by good works we are saved for good works. Salvation is a free gift given on condition that we agree to obey God. It is given freely when come to God in faith repenting of our sins. Let us not lose this free gift.
Lucifer was put into heaven, not because he did good works, but he was thrown out because of his sins.
Adam was put into the garden of Eden, not because he did good works, but he was evicted because of his disobedience.
The first words of John the Baptist when he began his ministry were “Repent for the kingdom of Heaven is at hand”. Christ began His ministry with the message to repent for the kingdom of God is at hand.
Repentance is a sorrow for, and a turning away from sin. 1John 3:4 “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.”
I entreat all reading this message to read your Bible with a sincere desire to know truth and to do the will of God from the heart. There is no second chance after this lifetime. No purgurtory.
Today is the day of your salvation. Tonight your soul may be required of thee.
Jesus Christ is the Author and Finisher of our faith.All Ten Commandments Still In Effect In The New Covenant After The Cross
1. 1Corinthians 10:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.
See also 1 Cor 6:9, Acts 17:16&23,
Romans 2:22&23, 1John 5:212. Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought
not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone,
graven by art and man's device. See also 1 Cor 12:23. James 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by
heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath…..
lest ye fall into condemnation.
4. Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and
rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
Hebrews 4 4&9 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh [day] on this
wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
There remaineth therefore a (keeping of a sabbath-see margin) rest
to the people of God.
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three
sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Acts 13:42&44 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the
Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the
next sabbath. And the next sabbath day came almost the
whole city together to hear the word of God.
Isaiha 66:22-23 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will
make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your
seed and your name remain.
And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to
another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to
worship before me, saith the LORD.
See also Acts 16:135. Ephesians 6:1-2 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour
thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;
See also Romans 1:306. James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill.
Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not kill,…
See also Romans1:297. 1 Thessalonians 4:3 For this is the will of God, [even] your sanctification, that ye
should abstain from fornication:
James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill.
See also 1Cor 6:9, Romans 2:22, Romans 1:29, Romans 13:98. Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not steal…
1 Thessalonians 4:6 That no [man] go beyond and defraud his brother in [any] matter:
See also 1Cor 6:109. Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another
Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not bear false witness10. Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not covet;
See also 1 Cor 6:10, Romans 1:29Quote (Faith First @ Mar. 02 2007,11:31) All Ten Commandments Still In Effect In The New Covenant After The Cross 1. 1Corinthians 10:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.
See also 1 Cor 6:9, Acts 17:16&23,
Romans 2:22&23, 1John 5:212. Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought
not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone,
graven by art and man's device. See also 1 Cor 12:23. James 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by
heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath…..
lest ye fall into condemnation.
4. Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and
rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
Hebrews 4 4&9 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh [day] on this
wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
There remaineth therefore a (keeping of a sabbath-see margin) rest
to the people of God.
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three
sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Acts 13:42&44 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the
Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the
next sabbath. And the next sabbath day came almost the
whole city together to hear the word of God.
Isaiha 66:22-23 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will
make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your
seed and your name remain.
And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to
another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to
worship before me, saith the LORD.
See also Acts 16:135. Ephesians 6:1-2 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour
thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;
See also Romans 1:306. James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill.
Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not kill,…
See also Romans1:297. 1 Thessalonians 4:3 For this is the will of God, [even] your sanctification, that ye
should abstain from fornication:
James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill.
See also 1Cor 6:9, Romans 2:22, Romans 1:29, Romans 13:98. Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not steal…
1 Thessalonians 4:6 That no [man] go beyond and defraud his brother in [any] matter:
See also 1Cor 6:109. Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another
Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not bear false witness10. Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not covet;
See also 1 Cor 6:10, Romans 1:29
GEE! EVEN MORE SCRIPTURE!
Who can deny the word of God?BTW FaithFirst I also like your signature.
IHL,
ken
Good posts first faith,
I have been nodding my head in agreement as I read them.
I believe we are to follow the Law through the new way as fulfilled by Christ. Obeying how Christ interpreted and narrowed the Law.
My only difference in understanding is that Jesus affected the sabbath to be an everyday observance an everyday “way of living”.
I believe this is what Paul is meaning by “observing special days”.
I don't think either saturday or sunday is special nor the rest of the days of the week.
We are spiritually continually living on one day the sabbath day of Christ.
I find it very hard to try and interpret Paul any differently than this. In my understanding the evidence is pretty substantial.
Grammaticly, historically, understanding how the early christians understood him, the work of scholars. To me I would have to be fudging a bit to try and make Paul say something different.
Quote (Morning Star @ Mar. 02 2007,14:20) Good posts first faith, I have been nodding my head in agreement as I read them.
I believe we are to follow the Law through the new way as fulfilled by Christ. Obeying how Christ interpreted and narrowed the Law.
My only difference in understanding is that Jesus affected the sabbath to be an everyday observance an everyday “way of living”.
I believe this is what Paul is meaning by “observing special days”.
I don't think either saturday or sunday is special nor the rest of the days of the week.
We are spiritually continually living on one day the sabbath day of Christ.
I find it very hard to try and interpret Paul any differently than this. In my understanding the evidence is pretty substantial.
Grammaticly, historically, understanding how the early christians understood him, the work of scholars. To me I would have to be fudging a bit to try and make Paul say something different.
MS could you please give me scripture? Really teach me I'm opened to the truth. I love the truth. But it has to be just that truth IHL,
ken
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