Commandments in the NT

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keyonn
Abraham was a righteous man and it was accounted to Him that. He was to the point that He would sacrifice His only Son when God ask Him to do so. Well I know you know the rest of the story. The 10 Commandments were added because of transgression. The Jew's would work 7 days a week and forget all about God.
If you read all the ordinances it makes me wonder what kind of dirty people they were. They had to be told every thing. The 10 Commandments was a Covenant that God made with Israel. He made it between Him and Israel as a perpetual Covenant.
After Christ Sacrifice we are no longer under that Covenant. We are under His Blood.
He fulfilled that Law all of it and gave us a new Commandment. And called it
The greatest Commandments of all.
He never stressed the Sabbath, why?
He said I am the Lord of the Sabbath.
The Apostles picked Corn on the Sabbath
Paul said not to judge anybody concerning Sabbaths not only Annual Sabbaths
Romans 14:5
Paul said 'One esteems on Day to the Lord, while another esteems every Day alike.
Most of all, Jesus taught us on the Sermon on the Mount what He expects of us. He magnified the Law and made it spiritual.
The Sabbath is a physical Day of rest. It cannot be made spiritual. Would you not think if it would be a sign for His called out people in the end time, that He would have mentioned the Sabbath? He said He is Lord of the Sabbath. What do you think He meant by that?

Personally I think that keeping every Day Holy to the Lord to me is important. Whatever you do, do it to the Lord. Even when you work. You can be a great witness for our Lord, when you give up your Days to the Lord. You are then setting yourself apart from the rest of the world, and in the process might convince others to do the same.
I have a Grandson that now is married, that when He went to High School, He and some of His friends would say Prayers together on the School grounds before School. Testify of Jesus as much as you can. I wish I would have known, what I know now, I would have done a lot of things differently. God is calling you ( I know there are much younger brethren and sisters on here then I) at a young age and look at the opportunity that you have.
The Greatest Commandments of all are to Love God with all of your Heart and with all of you Soul and Your Neighbor as thyself.
Live by that, and that is what I am trying to do, I am not always successful , but I am trying. To overcome is what Christ wants us to do.

Peace and Love Mrs.

September 20, 2007 at 4:24 pm#66468

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Keyonn Gen. 26:5

First God made a Covenant with Abraham of circumcision. Whatever God asked of Abraham He did.
He left His Home, because God asked Him to.
But the biggest test was to sacrifice His Son.
Abraham was therefore a righteous man.

Wanted to add that yet.
Peace and Love Mrs.:D

September 20, 2007 at 5:17 pm#66473

Not3in1

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KJ,

It's funny that you started this thread – I was thinking we needed one that addresses this specifically. So, thanks for creating this thread.

September 20, 2007 at 7:30 pm#66480

kejonn

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To all who will contribute to this thread,

I ask that you please refrain from bringing specific commandments in the thread. The Sabbath thread has caused great division and I do not wish to further that here. I am just trying to learn what the NT refers to when it speaks of “commandments” without specifying. Because without specifying, there is much left open for interpretation. This is seen in that the “commandments” that were given to Abraham were not the same as those given to the children of Israel after the Exodus. If we consider this, then can we truly enforce that the “commandments” spoken of in the New Covenant are indeed the “commandments” give through Moses, since Gentile Christians are Christians and not Jews?

September 20, 2007 at 7:52 pm#66484

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Hello Keyonn Luke 22:20 “likewise He also took the cup after super, saying, THIS CUP IS THE NEW COVENANT IN MY BLOOD,WHICH IS SHED FOR YOU.”

This Jesus did the night before He died,the next day He sealed His new covenant with HIS BLOOD.
Jesus became our High Priest and Mediator;
Hebrews 7:12 “For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.”

This is what Paul says about what happened to the Old covenant;
Colossians 2:14 “Having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.”

Romans 3:28 ” Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the Law.”

Romans 6:14 ” For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.”

Paul understood that the new covenant would be difficult to understand, He explained in;
Romans 14:1 “Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things.”
verse 2 for one believes He may eat all things, but he who is weak eat only vegetable.”
verse 3 let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him.”
verse 5 “One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.”
verse 6 “He who observes the day,observes it to the Lord; and who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.”

Galatians 2:16 “Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.”
verse 21 ” I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”

Galatians 3:24 “Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.”
verse 26 “For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.”

Galatians 5:18 “But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.”

Ephesians 2:8 “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the Gift of God.”
verse 9 ” Not of works, lest anyone should boast.”
verse 15 “Having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandment contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace.”

Philippians 3:9 “And we found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by Faith.

Is this what you want?

Peace and Love Mrs.

September 20, 2007 at 7:56 pm#66487

kejonn

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One other thing to consider when we try to understand what “commandments” meant in the NT is which commandments were stressed in the NT.

Mat 22:36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?”
Mat 22:37 And He said to him, ” 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'
Mat 22:38 “This is the great and foremost commandment.
Mat 22:39 “The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'
Mat 22:40 “On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”
Joh 13:34 “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another
Rom 13:8 Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law
Rom 13:9 For this, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.”
Rom 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
1Jn 3:23 This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
1Jn 4:20 If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen.
1Jn 4:21 And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also.

No doubt love for God and love for our neighbors are the commandments specifically given to all Christians, but which ones the came before Yeshua walked the earth are Gentiles to obey? One would say the 10 Commandments, but why not those given to Abraham? Did not the children of Israel also carry out circumcision after the Exodus? But what does Paul say of circumcision for Gentiles?

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.

So now we are back to trying to understand what these commandments are. Yet, here Paul is saying that for the Gentile believers that a commandment to Abraham was not necessary. So which commandments are we to obey?

September 20, 2007 at 8:01 pm#66489

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THERE IS NO OTHER COMMANDMENT GREATER THEN THESE.

Jesus said to the Apostles;
John 13:34 “A NEW COMMANDMENT I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
John 15:12 “This is MY COMMANDMENT, that you love one another.”

I wonder why Jesus said that twice?

1 John 4:7 “Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.”
verse 8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is Love.
verse 9 In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has send His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him.
verse 10 In this is love, not that we love God, but that He loves us and send His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
verse 11 Beloved if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another
verse 18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.
verse 20 If someone said I love God, and hates his brother he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother who he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?

Romans 13:10 “Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the Law.”

This is what grace is all about, LOVE.
This is what the new law is, Love.
If we love God, we don't just love and honor Him one day of the week, we love and honor Him every day. God wants children that Love Him, not fear Him. If we do anything because we think we have to, we put ourselves under a law, not God; it is then not of faith but of fear.
The Apostles preached the gospel of love, not of law.
If we love God, we don't need for commandments to tell us how.
If we love our neighbor, we don't need six commandments to tell us how.
If we don't love from the heart, keeping the fourth or any of the other commandments only, wont save us.

Love is what the new covenant law is built on. Jesus not only laid the foundation for the new law, Love
He is the foundation; for us and everyone to built up on it.
John 15:13 “Greater love has no one then this, then to lay down one”s life for his friends

Peace and Love

September 20, 2007 at 8:40 pm#66493

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Keyonn We were posting at the same time. You seem to understand what the New Covenant is all about.

Peace and Love Mrs. Forgot the Mrs. in the last post:D

September 20, 2007 at 10:48 pm#66498

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type this…..

All laws and commandments given, by the ushers, heavenly host on earth, to move us towards peace the repaired… misperception of 'seperation' from God “the Fall of Man” from the beginning.
We have recived! reconciled?

Only begotten Son!… Misperception for the mind (one voice sound)

First begotten Son!.. for as many of us may be overcome the separation shall live and hope for it

For if it were possible even the elect of God can be deceived, evilly entreated with offence, when they shall reveal the worst offence on the Nations, one allowing not the prison doors to be unlocked.

September 20, 2007 at 11:15 pm#66501

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What is the law of God that Paul served?

Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

What are the commandments of God?

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Anyone?

September 20, 2007 at 11:17 pm#66503

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Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

OH wait here are some more.

Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Luk 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
Luk 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1Jo 2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

1Jo 2:8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.

1Jo 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1Jo 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1Jo 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

1Jo 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

2Jo 1:4 I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.

2Jo 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

IN HIS LOVE,

Ken

September 20, 2007 at 11:25 pm#66505

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What is the law of God that Paul served?

Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

What are the commandments of God?

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Anyone?

Paul leaves the perfect manner of the Law of the fathers, for the higher Laws, to live for the greatest 2 commandments, for the earthy Laws oposes the Naure of the heavenly Laws,
And fail us to be free to love thy neighbour

Act 22:3 I am verily a man [which am] a Jew, born in Tarsus, [a city] in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, [and] taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.
And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.

September 20, 2007 at 11:38 pm#66506

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Here are some commandments in the New Testament:

1. 1Corinthians 10:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.
See also 1 Cor 6:9, Acts 17:16&23,
Romans 2:22&23, 1John 5:21

2. Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought
not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone,
graven by art and man's device. See also 1 Cor 12:2

3. James 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by
heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath…
lest ye fall into condemnation.

4. Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and
rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
Hebrews 4 4&9 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh [day] on this
wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
There remaineth therefore a (keeping of a sabbath-see margin) rest
to the people of God.
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three
sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Acts 13:42&44 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the
Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the
next sabbath. And the next sabbath day came almost the
whole city together to hear the word of God.
Isaiha 66:22-23 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will
make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your
seed and your name remain.
And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to
another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to
worship before me, saith the LORD.
See also Acts 16:13

5. Ephesians 6:1-2 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour
thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;
See also Romans 1:30

6. James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill.
Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not kill,.
See also Romans1:29

7. 1 Thessalonians 4:3 For this is the will of God, [even] your sanctification, that ye
should abstain from fornication:
James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill.
See also 1Cor 6:9, Romans 2:22, Romans 1:29, Romans 13:9

8. Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not steal.
1 Thessalonians 4:6 That no [man] go beyond and defraud his brother in [any] matter:
See also 1Cor 6:10

9. Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another
Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not bear false witness

10. Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not covet;
See also 1 Cor 6:10, Romans 1:29

Hope this helps,

Ken

September 20, 2007 at 11:47 pm#66507

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The 10 Commandments was a Covenant that God made with Israel. He made it between Him and Israel as a perpetual Covenant.
After Christ Sacrifice we are no longer under that Covenant. We are under His Blood.

Then what law is Jesus speaking of here?

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

**Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Not one dot or a crossing of a T will change.

What commandments is Jesus speaking of?

Jesus here is speaking of “TWO” commandments?

May be? But I find that very hard to believe.

Just wondering,

Ken

September 21, 2007 at 12:00 am#66509

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People often assume that when they see the word “commandments” in the New Testament, that it means the 10 commandments. But how certain can we be on this?

What about this when God spoke to Isaac:

Gen 26:4 “I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven, and will give your descendants all these lands; and by your descendants all the nations of the earth shall be blessed;
Gen 26:5 because Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.“

What exactly were these things that God spoke of in Gen 26:5? There was no 10 Commandments at this time. So what commandments was God talking about here?

I thought that the Israelites lost the law when in bondage to the Egyptians.

The scripture doesn't say “10” commandmenents but it does say Commandments, and law and statues.

Moses brought the Law back from Abraham to the Israelites.

NO?

September 21, 2007 at 12:02 am#66510

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Heavenly Laws for the man of the heavens?

Be transformed putting on the new Man

Working towards our adoption wit, suffering

If your sister hits you, don't hit her back. They always catch the second person.

Never ask your 3-year old brother to hold a tomato

For they shall despise you for whom you eat with, and what you eat

they Hanging on by a thread, that meat should be made unclean again.

September 21, 2007 at 12:24 am#66513

kejonn

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Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 20 2007,19:00)

Quote (kejonn @ Sep. 21 2007,02:57)

People often assume that when they see the word “commandments” in the New Testament, that it means the 10 commandments. But how certain can we be on this?

What about this when God spoke to Isaac:

Gen 26:4 “I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven, and will give your descendants all these lands; and by your descendants all the nations of the earth shall be blessed;
Gen 26:5 because Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.“

What exactly were these things that God spoke of in Gen 26:5? There was no 10 Commandments at this time. So what commandments was God talking about here?

I thought that the Israelites lost the law when in bondage to the Egyptians.

The scripture doesn't say “10” commandmenents but it does say Commandments, and law and statues.

Moses brought the Law back from Abraham to the Israelites.

NO?

So are you saying that the 10 Commandments in Ex 20 were just a restating of commandments given to Abraham? Where do you get the concept that Moses was bring back the Law?

September 21, 2007 at 12:44 am#66514

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Quote (kejonn @ Sep. 21 2007,12:24)

Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 20 2007,19:00)

Quote (kejonn @ Sep. 21 2007,02:57)

People often assume that when they see the word “commandments” in the New Testament, that it means the 10 commandments. But how certain can we be on this?

What about this when God spoke to Isaac:

Gen 26:4 “I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven, and will give your descendants all these lands; and by your descendants all the nations of the earth shall be blessed;
Gen 26:5 because Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.“

What exactly were these things that God spoke of in Gen 26:5? There was no 10 Commandments at this time. So what commandments was God talking about here?

I thought that the Israelites lost the law when in bondage to the Egyptians.

The scripture doesn't say “10” commandmenents but it does say Commandments, and law and statues.

Moses brought the Law back from Abraham to the Israelites.

NO?

So are you saying that the 10 Commandments in Ex 20 were just a restating of commandments given to Abraham? Where do you get the concept that Moses was bring back the Law?

I really don't know but what other commandments and laws and statues were there? The Israelites lost their law and picked up on the Egyptian gods. Thus the golden calf.

From the time of Adam they were giving offerings for their sins.

Gen 22:13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.

What other commandments are we to think of? Unless God just had “different” laws and commandments and statues for Abraham.

September 21, 2007 at 12:57 am#66515