commandments

[kenrch]

The law is written on our hearts. We know the “shalt nots” steel, lust, worship graven images, etc. But the fourth commandment is not a shalt not. REMEMBER to keep the sabbath. Only nine commandments are written on our heart the forth commandment is not, at least not on my heart. I can work or play on the seventh day with NO condemnation because it's not written on my heart. So why are we to remember it? Does anybody have an idea as to why we should REMEMBER the sabbath day.
The first four show how to love God and the last six how to love our neighbor.
What does remember mean. The other nine are shalt nots so does remember mean “DO” ?
I really would like to know?
If remember means do then it would read “DO” the sabbath. That just doesn't sound right. Given that sin is transgresson of the law, i would think that it would be important.

The only Idea I have is that the seventh day is the day after creation was finished. And how was Adam created on the eighth day. Seems to me Adam was created on the first day.

Please HELP!

[NickHassan]

Hi K,
Some points,
Originally the inner law of Conscience was in effect.
That became useless so the written Law was given to the Jews.
The OT written law applied only to those to who it was given -the Jews.
Some gentiles have the Law of conscience still working effectively.
When asked by the Jews about their Law he did not reinforce the Sabbath Law.
The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath.
The Law of the Spirit is only written on the hearts of those in Christ.

There is more detail on the Sabbath Law than almost any others given by God.
Ex 20.8
” Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do alll your work, but the sevnth in=s a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall do no work, you ar your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day;therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy”
Ex3 10
” You shall sow your land for six years and gather in it's yield, but on the sevnth year you shall let it rest….”etc
The number seven is a sacred number.
God is so determined to not be a slavedriver but for us to enjoy life and to value rest as much as He does that it was written into law perhaps? The more man works the more he thinks he is responsible for his own destiny and forgets the results are from God.

[kenrch]

Hi Nick,
The Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath. Jesus was just speaking about Jews when He said man?
The more man works the more he thinks he is responsible for his own destiny and forgets the results are from God.
I like that, so a gentile should rest and give thanks to God.

Isa 56:6 Also the foreigners that join themselves to Jehovah, to minister unto him, and to love the name of Jehovah, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from profaning it, and holdeth fast my covenant;
Also the foreigners that join themselves to Jehovah. I take it that foreigners are non-Jews or gentiles. So what do you make of this scripture?

That's what puzzels me and REMEMBER the sabbath. That commandment is definitely different. When the seventh day comes around I don't say it's the sabbath so I MUST rest and worship God . Remember to rest, six days you work but on the seventh day you rest and fellowship with Jesus ALL day. Is that right? Should I keep at least one day, the whole day for God.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
The Spiritual Law does not include the sabbath as we worship God every day in our own body temples and the Spirit guides every part of our life including needed rest.
Coll 2.16
” Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ”

[kenrch]

Hi Nick,

Is this scripture speaking of the ten commandment or the ritual and sacrificial law?

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

I don't think that moons, food, drink and holy day has anything to do with the weekly sabbath. But this verse speaks of annual sabbaths.

Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.

Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread

Notice verse 3 the weekly sabbath then verse 4 these are the feast of the Lord. So the weekly sabbath and the feast are separate.

[NickHassan]

Quote (kenrch @ Oct. 29 2005,15:50)

Hi Nick, Is this scripture speaking of the ten commandment or the ritual and sacrificial law? Col 2:14  Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; I don't think that moons, food, drink and holy day has anything to do with the weekly sabbath.  But this verse speaks of annual sabbaths. Lev 23:3  Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings. Lev 23:4  These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. Lev 23:5  In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover. Lev 23:6  And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread Notice verse 3 the weekly sabbath then verse 4 these are the feast of the Lord.  So the weekly sabbath and the feast are separate.

Hi kemrch
Coll 2.13f which speaks only to the saved as do all of Paul's and the other apostolic letters
“…He made you alive together with him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, having cancelled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, he made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through him”

The Law given to the Jews was administered by angelic rulers and authorities who observed and recorded all mans sins. A record was kept and all were found to have sinned. Christ came and fulfilled every demand of the Law perfectly. He did not sin and nothing was recorded against him as a perfect man. We can be forgiven and baptised into him thus too enjoying that prize with no sin recorded against us either.

The feasts are very important but nothing to do with the sabbath. They are prophetic and we should study them to understand the ways of God.

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 29 2005,20:48)

Quote (kenrch @ Oct. 29 2005,15:50) Hi Nick, Is this scripture speaking of the ten commandment or the ritual and sacrificial law? Col 2:14  Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; I don't think that moons, food, drink and holy day has anything to do with the weekly sabbath.  But this verse speaks of annual sabbaths. Lev 23:3  Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings. Lev 23:4  These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. Lev 23:5  In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover. Lev 23:6  And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread Notice verse 3 the weekly sabbath then verse 4 these are the feast of the Lord.  So the weekly sabbath and the feast are separate. Hi kemrch Coll 2.13f which speaks only to the saved as do all of Paul's and the other apostolic letters “…He made you alive together with him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, having cancelled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, he made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through him” The Law given to the Jews was administered by angelic rulers and authorities who observed and recorded all mans sins. A record was kept and all were found to have sinned. Christ came and fulfilled every demand of the Law perfectly. He did not sin and nothing was recorded against him as a perfect man. We can be forgiven and baptised into him thus too enjoying that prize with no sin recorded against us either. The feasts are very important but nothing to do with the sabbath. They are prophetic and we should study them to understand the ways of God.

Which law did Christ fulfill? There is the law of Moses and the ten God wrote with His finger.
There's the law that was placed INside the ark and the Law that was placed on the side of the ark.
There is the Law Christ fulfilled (Luke 24:44) and the law that will NEVER pass away (MATT. 5:17-19)
Because no one could keep the law of God, other laws were given which pointed to Christ.

If you feel like it please read this and tear it apart scriptually.

WHICH LAW ?

13. Are God's law and Moses' law the same?
Answer: No, they are not the same. Study the following notes and comparison carefully.

Note: Moses' law was the temporary, ceremonial law of the Old Testament. It regulated the priesthood, sacrifices, rituals, meat and drink offerings, etc., all of which foreshadowed the cross. This law was added “till the seed should come,” and that seed was Christ (Galatians 3:16, 19). The ritual and ceremony of Moses' law pointed forward to Christ's sacrifice. When He died, this law came to an end, but the Ten Commandments (God's law) “stand fast for ever and ever.” Psalm 111:8. That there are two laws is made crystal clear in Daniel 9:10, 11.

Special Note: Please note that God's law has existed at least as long as sin has existed. The Bible says, “Where no law is, there is no transgression [or sin].” Romans 4:15. So God's Ten Commandment law existed from the beginning. Men broke that law (sinned–1 John 3:4). Because of sin (or breaking God's law), Moses' law was given (or “added”–Galatians 3:16, 19) till Christ should come and die. Two separate laws are involved: God's law and Moses' law.

14. How does the devil feel about the people who pattern their lives after God's Ten Commandments?
And the dragon [the devil] was wroth with the woman [true church], and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God.” Revelation 12:17. “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God.” Revelation 14:12.

Answer: The devil hates the people who uphold God's law because the law is the pattern of right living. And if you decide to follow the pattern outlined in God's law, you will feel the devil's wrath upon you at once and with all fury. It is not surprising that the devil hates and bitterly opposes all who uphold God's law. But it is shocking and astounding to hear religious leaders denying the binding claims of the Ten Commandments while at the same time upholding the traditions of men. No wonder Jesus said, “Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?” “In vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” Matthew 15:3, 9. And David said, “It is time for thee, Lord, to work: for they have made void thy law.” Psalm 119:126. Christians must wake up and restore God's law to its rightful, exalted position. It is folly for this undisciplined generation to presume that it can break the laws of the living God with impunity.
with impunity.

What is God's definition of sin?
Sin is the transgression of the law.” 1 John 3:4.

Answer: Sin is breaking God's Ten Commandment law. And since the law of God is perfect (Psalm 19:7), it covers every conceivable sin. It is impossible to commit a sin that is not condemned by at least one of God's Ten Commandments. The commandments cover “the whole duty of man.” Ecclesiastes 12:13. Nothing is left out.
Why did God give us His commandments?

“He that keepeth the law, happy is he.” Proverbs 29:18. “Keep my commandments: For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.” Proverbs 3:1, 2.
Answer: A. As a guide for happy, abundant living.
God created us to enjoy happiness, peace, long life, contentment, accomplishment, and all the other great blessings for which our hearts long. God's law is the road map that points out the right paths to follow in order to find this true, supreme happiness.

By the law is the knowledge of sin.” Romans 3:20. “I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.” Romans 7:7.

B. To show me the difference between right and wrong.
God's law is like a mirror (James 1:23-25). It points out wrongdoing in my life as a mirror points out dirt on my face. The only possible way for a person to know if he is sinning is for him to carefully check his life by the mirror of God's law. Hope for this mixed-up, sinking generation is found in God's Ten Commandment law. It tells where to draw the line
And the Lord commanded us to do all these statutes [commandments] … for our good always.” Deuteronomy 6:24. “Hold thou me up, and I shall be safe: and I will have respect unto thy statutes continually. Thou hast trodden down all them that err from thy statutes.” Psalm 119:117, 118.

C. To protect me from danger and tragedy.
God's law is like a strong cage at the zoo, which protects us from fierce, destructive animals. It protects us from impurity, falsehood, murder, idolatry, theft, and many other evils that destroy life, peace, and happiness. All good laws protect, and God's law is no exception.

Special Note: The eternal principles of God&#3
9;s law are written deep in every person's nature by the God who created us. The writing may be dim and smudged, but it is still there. This means, of course, that you cannot find true peace unless you are willing to live in harmony with your inner nature, upon which God has written these principles. We were created to live in harmony with them. When we choose to ignore them, the result is always tension, unrest, and tragedy–just as ignoring the rules for safe driving leads to serious trouble.

5. Can God's law (the Ten Commandments) ever be changed or abolished?
It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.” Luke 16:17. “My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.” Psalm 89:34. “All his commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever.” Psalm 111:7, 8.

Answer: Absolutely not! The Bible is very clear on this point. If the law could have been changed, God would have immediately made that change when Adam and Eve sinned instead of sending His Son to die in the sinner's behalf to pay the penalty of the broken law. But this was impossible, because the commandments are not laws in the sense of rules or regulations that have been enacted. They are revealed principles of God's holy character that will always be true as long as God exists.

6. Did Jesus abolish God's law while He was here on earth?
Think not that I am come to destroy the law. … I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. … Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” Matthew 5:17, 18.
Answer: No, indeed! Jesus specifically asserted that He did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill (or keep) it. Instead of doing away with the law, Jesus magnified it (Isaiah 42:21) as the perfect guide for right living. For example, Jesus pointed out that “thou shalt not kill” condemns anger “without a cause” (Matthew 5:21, 22) and hatred (1 John 3:15), and that lust is adultery (Matthew 5:27, 28). He says, “If ye love me, keep my commandments.” John 14:15.
7. Will people who knowingly continue to break even one of God's commandments be saved?The wages of sin is death.” Romans 6:23. “He shall destroy the sinners.” Isaiah 13:9. “Whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.” James 2:10.

Answer: No! They will be lost. The Ten Commandment law is the guide we must use in finding our way to God and holy living. If I ignore even one of the commandments, I am neglecting part of the divine pattern, or blueprint. If only one link of a chain is broken, its entire purpose is undone. The Bible says that when we knowingly break any command of God, we are sinning (James 4:17), because we have refused His will for us. Only those who do His will can enter the kingdom of heaven. Sinners will be lost.
9. Why, then, is the law an absolute essential for perfecting Christian character?
Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.” Ecclesiates 12:13. “By the law is the knowledge of sin.” Romans 3:20.

Answer:
Because the full pattern, or “whole duty,” for Christian living is contained in God's law. Like a 6-year-old boy who made his own ruler, measured himself, and told his mother that he was 12 feet tall, our own standards are never safe. I cannot know whether I am a sinner unless I look carefully into the perfect standard–God's law-mirror. Millions who have cast out devils, prophesied, and done many wonderful works in Jesus' name will be lost (Matthew 7:21-23) because they did not bother to check their lives with His great law-pattern. Hence, they think they are righteous and saved when, instead, they are sinful and lost. “Hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.” 1 John 2:3.

10. What enables a truly converted Christian to follow the pattern of God's law?
I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts.” Hebrews 8:10. “I can do all things through Christ.” Philippians 4:13. “God sending his own Son … That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us.” Romans 8:3, 4.

Answer: Christ not only pardons repentant sinners, but He restores in them the image of God. He brings them into harmony with His law through the power of His indwelling presence. “Thou shalt not” then becomes a promise that the Christian will not steal, lie, murder, etc., because Jesus lives inside and is in control. God could not change His law, but He made a blessed provision through Jesus to change the sinner so he can measure up to that law.
****11. But isn't a Christian who has faith and is living under grace freed from keeping the law? *******
For sin [breaking God's law–1 John 3:4] shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin [break the law], because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.” Romans 6:14, 15. “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.” Romans 3:31.

Answer: No! The Scriptures teach the very opposite. Grace is like the governor's pardon to a prisoner. It forgives him, but it does not give him freedom to break one single law on the statute books. The forgiven person, living under grace, is under double obligation to keep the law. A person who refuses to keep God's law, saying that he is living under grace, is mistaken. He is living under disgrace.

12. Are the Ten Commandments of God reaffirmed in the New Testament?
I have problems proving this wrong. Would you PLEASE DO IT.

YOU WILL HAVE FUN WITH THIS. It will sharpen up your scriptual skills.

Thanks Nick

[NickHassan]

Hi Kenrch,
The only question to be asked is whether or not we can be put right with God by obedience to the Old Testament Law. The answer is NO. Many false teachers have attempted to set up again this useless hope. They lead men to complacency and false security and teach them to ignore the most important commands of Christ.

All other questions pale in comparison.

Jesus said
” Seek ye first the kingdom of God and everything else will be added to you”
He said
” I am the door; if anyone enters through me he will be saved”
He said
” You must be born again to enter the Kingdom”

Then we can look at the relevance of the ten Commandments.

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 30 2005,04:11)

Hi Kenrch, The only question to be asked is whether or not we can be put right with God by obedience to the Old Testament Law. The answer is NO. Many false teachers have attempted to set up again this useless hope. They lead men to complacency and false security and teach them to ignore the most important commands of Christ. All other questions pale in comparison. Jesus said ” Seek ye first the kingdom of God and everything else will be added to you” He said ” I am the door; if anyone enters through me he will be saved” He said ” You must be born again to enter the Kingdom” Then we can look at the relevance of the ten Commandments.

Hi Nick,

You said:The only question to be asked is whether or not we can be put right with God by obedience to the Old Testament Law.

Isn't that the same as can anyone be saved or put right with God by works? No! Yet if we have faith works will follow.

It's not IF we keep the commandments. The commandments follow the believer. Surely If you were saved you would keep the law with the inner man. You don't steel etc.

Rom 8:7 For the mind-set of the flesh is hostile to God because it does not submit itself to God's law, for it is unable to do so.
Rev 12:17 So the dragon was furious with the woman and left to wage war against the rest of her offspring–those who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony about Jesus.
Rev 14:12 Here is the endurance of the saints, who keep the commandments of God and the faith in Jesus.”
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
1Jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law
1Jo 3:9 Everyone who has been born of God does not sin, because His seed remains in him; he is not able to sin, because he has been born of God. IF YOU HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN THE INNER MAN CANNOT SIN WHICH IS TRANGRESSION OF THE LAW
Rom 7:22 For in my inner self I joyfully agree with God's law.
1Jo 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous

1Jo 5:18 We are certain that one who is a child of God will do no sin, but the Son of God keeps him so that he is not touched by the Evil One.

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing; but the keeping of the commandments of God.

The Ten in the New Testament
NT OT
1) Matthew 4:10. 1)Exodus 20:3.
2) Acts 17:29. 2)Exodus 20:4-6
3)1 Timothy 6:1. 3)Exodus 20:7.
4)Hebrews 4:4, 9, 10 4)Exodus 20:8-11.
5)Matthew 19:19 5)Exodus 20:12.
6)Romans 13:9. 6)Exodus 20:13.
7)Matthew19:18. 7)Exodus 20:14
8)Romans 13:9. 8)Exodus 20:15.
9)Romans 13:9. 9)Exodus 20:16.
10)Romans 7:7. 10)Exodus 20:17.

I'm sorry Nick you'll have to do better than that! You shouldn't blow this off so quickly!

We can't keep the commandments with the flesh. But only with your spirit/inner man.

If you are born again spiritually, then the spirit will want to keep the law of God. But your flesh will want to break the law.
Rom 7:17 So I am no longer the one who is doing the things I hate, but sin that lives in me is doing them.

If you don't want to try and prove the law was done away with then Don't but you should 1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Hey I can't prove the above wrong, maybe you can. Are you up to the challenge?

[NickHassan]

Hi kenrch,
If you have to work at obeying the Commandments then you are not being led by the Spirit of God.

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 30 2005,07:33)

Hi kenrch, If you have to work at obeying the Commandments then you are not being led by the Spirit of God.

Nicky,

OOPS! Their goes that pride again!

Doesn't the WORD say Prove all things. I'm just asking you to follow scripture. All things should be backed up with scripture, lest I worry for you.

Theirs only one person that has never broken the law or sinned. I really don't think that's you lol

As long as your wrapped in that sinfull flesh you will fall, we ALL do! If you believe that you never sin then your following your own spirit and not the Lords.

1Co 8:2 If anyone thinks he knows anything, he does not yet know it as he ought to know it.

Mar 7:6 He answered them, “Isaiah prophesied correctly about you hypocrites, as it is written: These people honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
Mar 7:7 They worship Me in vain, teaching as doctrines the commands of men.
Mar 7:8 Disregarding the command of God, you keep the tradition of men.”
Mar 7:9 He also said to them, “You completely invalidate God's command in order to maintain your tradition!
Mar 7:10 For Moses said: Honor your father and your mother; and, Whoever speaks evil of father or mother must be put to death
Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord!' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Mat 7:22 On that day many will say to Me, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?'
Mat 7:23 Then I will announce to them, 'I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!

The problem here is that you know you can't PROVE that those scriptures saying anything else. I was hopeing for someone who could help prove these things wrong, but not with just their lips!

I can get empty words anywhere. But I really didn't expect that from you! You really had me fooled. But sooner or later Satan's personality slowly comes creeping out!
Just can't stop being full of yourself just like dear old dad!
Wow! I thought you were my senior in the Lord, but your still a babe. You won't learn anything if you already think you know it. The seed will fall on shallow ground and not take root. All these things you should know!

[NickHassan]

Hi k,
It is not committing sin that is the issue after salvation. It is not concentrating on not disobeying the commandments. It is the imputation of sin to us[Ps 32.1-2]. We now have the Law of love written on our hearts and the Spirit to guide and warn us[1Jn 3.9f when we stray before we go too far.[Jer 31.33]
Is 30.21
” Your ears will hear a word behind you
'This is the way, walk in it'”
We now also have an advocate with the Father[1Jn2.1] who can work on our behalf obtaining mercy for us as long as we give mercy and forgive others[Mk 11.26]. We now need to wash our feet having been fully bathed[Jn 13.10].
Those that the Son sets free are free indeed.
hope this helps.

[kenrch]

Nick, what do we do with all these scriptures? Tear them out of the bible and replace them with your words of wisdom. Just lip service, empty words. I told you that the law is written on our heart from the get go. That doesn't mean that we ignore them. John is saying this is how we know the children of God! Is there a spirit telling you to forget about the word? Everything MUST agree with the word of God. If it doesn't and you adhere to it, then you may as well be Catholic! This is serious and most elementary. You must have failed a BIG test somewhere alon the line.
2Ti 3:7 ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

2Th 2:10 and with every unrighteous deception among those who are perishing. They perish because they did not accept the love of the truth in order to be saved.
2Th 2:11 For this reason God sends them a strong delusion so that they will believe what is false,
Joh 17:17 Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth.

Rom 8:7 For the mind-set of the flesh is hostile to God because it does not submit itself to God's law, for it is unable to do so.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon waxed wroth with the woman, and went away to make war with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God, and hold the testimony of Jesus:
Rev 14:12 Here is the endurance of the saints, who keep the commandments of God and the faith in Jesus.”
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
1Jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law
1Jo 3:9 Everyone who has been born of God does not sin, because His seed remains in him; he is not able to sin, because he has been born of God. IF YOU HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN THE INNER MAN CANNOT SIN WHICH IS TRANGRESSION OF THE LAW
Rom 7:22 For in my inner self I joyfully agree with God's law.
1Jo 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous

1Jo 5:18 We are certain that one who is a child of God will do no sin, but the Son of God keeps him so that he is not touched by the Evil One.

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing; but the keeping of the commandments of God.

The Ten in the New Testament
NT OT
1) Matthew 4:10. 1)Exodus 20:3.
2) Acts 17:29. 2)Exodus 20:4-6
3)1 Timothy 6:1. 3)Exodus 20:7.
4)Hebrews 4:4, 9, 10 4)Exodus 20:8-11.
5)Matthew 19:19 5)Exodus 20:12.
6)Romans 13:9. 6)Exodus 20:13.
7)Matthew19:18. 7)Exodus 20:14
8)Romans 13:9. 8)Exodus 20:15.
9)Romans 13:9. 9)Exodus 20:16.
10)Romans 7:7. 10)Exodus 20:17.

I'm sorry Nick you'll have to do better than that! You shouldn't blow this off so quickly!

We can't keep the commandments with the flesh. But only with your spirit/inner man.

If you are born again spiritually, then the spirit will want to keep the law of God. But your flesh will want to break the law.
Rom 7:17 So I am no longer the one who is doing the things I hate, but sin that lives in me is doing them.

If you don't want to try and prove the law was done away with then Don't but you should 1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Hey I can't prove the above wrong, maybe you can. Are you up to the challenge?

Rom 8:7 For the mind-set of the flesh is hostile to God because it does not submit itself to God's law, for it is unable to do so.
Rev 12:17 So the dragon was furious with the woman and left to wage war against the rest of her offspring–those who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony about Jesus.
Rev 14:12 Here is the endurance of the saints, who keep the commandments of God and the faith in Jesus.”
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
1Jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law
1Jo 3:9 Everyone who has been born of God does not sin, because His seed remains in him; he is not able to sin, because he has been born of God. IF YOU HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN THE INNER MAN CANNOT SIN WHICH IS TRANGRESSION OF THE LAW
Rom 7:22 For in my inner self I joyfully agree with God's law.
1Jo 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous

1Jo 5:18 We are certain that one who is a child of God will do no sin, but the Son of God keeps him so that he is not touched by the Evil One.

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing; but the keeping of the commandments of God.

The Ten in the New Testament
NT OT
1) Matthew 4:10. 1)Exodus 20:3.
2) Acts 17:29. 2)Exodus 20:4-6
3)1 Timothy 6:1. 3)Exodus 20:7.
4)Hebrews 4:4, 9, 10 4)Exodus 20:8-11.
5)Matthew 19:19 5)Exodus 20:12.
6)Romans 13:9. 6)Exodus 20:13.
7)Matthew19:18. 7)Exodus 20:14
8)Romans 13:9. 8)Exodus 20:15.
9)Romans 13:9. 9)Exodus 20:16.
10)Romans 7:7. 10)Exodus 20:17.

I'm sorry Nick you'll have to do better than that! You shouldn't blow this off so quickly!

We can't keep the commandments with the flesh. But only with your spirit/inner man.

If you are born again spiritually, then the spirit will want to keep the law of God. But your flesh will want to break the law.
Rom 7:17 So I am no longer the one who is doing the things I hate, but sin that lives in me is doing them.

If you don't want to try and prove the law was done away with then Don't but you should 1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Hey I can't prove the above wrong, maybe you can. Are you up to the challenge?

[NickHassan]

Hi kenrch,
The ten commandment are restrictions.
Jesus Christ rewrote them in positive form. Instaed of a series of “thou shalt not”s he compressed tem into two'

Love God.
Love thy neighbour.

That was the original intention of God anyway that we behave in the way he does. He wanted us to know the spirit of the Law and worship Him while loving others as we love ourselves but seared consciences made that impossible and so He introduced the ten commandments. It was a trap for the hypocrites who attempted to fulfill the detail and ignore the spirit.  Nothing of the Law has passed away but the restrictive aspects have gone for those who are reborn.

Imagine if the traffic police went on strike. Everyone could travel as fast as they wanted to and no one would get into trouble. Evil men would use it to cause complete havoc but good men would drive in a similar way to what they did before. They would still be mindful of the old traffic signs that used to rule their behaviour.

What if instead of the traffic law a new law was introduced that said to travel sensibly and carefully at all times and respect the other drivers. What if the new law said a friendly driving instructor would travel with you to remind you of these things and to warn you of danger. You would never be prosecuted but you would be allowed to use commonsense.

Small infringements would be ignored and you need not live in fear of prosecution. You would be regarded as a good driver unless you chose to be stupid. Even then if the folly was not a constant attitude your friendly instructor would speak in your defense.

If you still chose despite all these things to behave constantly like a dangerous lunatic it is likely you would be reported to the authotrities and lose your privileges.

Does this make sense as far as the law and salvation goes? something like that seems right to me.

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 31 2005,04:20)

Hi kenrch, The ten commandmenSGRESSIONt are restrictions. Jesus Christ rewrote them in positive form. Instaed of a series of “thou shalt not”s he compressed tem into two' Love God. Love thy neighbour. That was the original intention of God anyway that we behave in the way he does. He wanted us to know the spirit of the Law and worship Him while loving others as we love ourselves but seared consciences made that impossible and so He introduced the ten commandments. It was a trap for the hypocrites who attempted to fulfill the detail and ignore the spirit.  Nothing of the Law has passed away but the restrictive aspects have gone for those who are reborn. Imagine if the traffic police went on strike. Everyone could travel as fast as they wanted to and no one would get into trouble. Evil men would use it to cause complete havoc but good men would drive in a similar way to what they did before. They would still be mindful of the old traffic signs that used to rule their behaviour. What if instead of the traffic law a new law was introduced that said to travel sensibly and carefully at all times and respect the other drivers. What if the new law said a friendly driving instructor would travel with you to remind you of these things and to warn you of danger. You would never be prosecuted but you would be allowed to use commonsense. Small infringements would be ignored and you need not live in fear of prosecution. You would be regarded as a good driver unless you chose to be stupid. Even then if the folly was not a constant attitude your friendly instructor would speak in your defense. If you still chose despite all these things to behave constantly like a dangerous lunatic it is likely you would be reported to the authotrities and lose your privileges. Does this make sense as far as the law and salvation goes? something like that seems right to me.

Hi Nick,

Are the Ten Commandments restrictive?

1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Jesus rewrote them in a positive form. Instaed of a series of “thou shalt not”s he compressed tem into two'

Love God.
Love thy neighbour.

Yes Nick Love God = the first 4 commandments
Love thy neighbor+ the last six commandments.

Jesus rewrote the commandments.
He sure did he magnified the law and made them spiritual.

Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said to them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 but I say unto you, that every one who is angry with his brother shall be in danger of the judgment; and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council; and whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of the hell of fire.
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 but I say unto you, that every one that looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
If anything Jesus made it harder NOT to sin. In the Old Testament thou shalt not Kill. In the New Testament you can't get angry withput sinning!
Old Testament no physical adultery. New Testament don't even look at a woman with lust. If you say to yourself you want that woman then you have commited adultery.

Less restrictions! Read those scriptures again then tell me that!
Jesus didn't lust, was not angry (want to kill) with his brother.
He expects us to try but everyone sins and falls short of the glory of God

Heb 4:15 For we have not a high priest that cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but one that hath been in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore draw near with boldness unto the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy, and may find grace to help us in time of need

KEEPING THE LAW WILL NOT SAVE YOU NO MORE THAN JUST WORKS WILL. WORKS FOLLOWS FAITH. KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS FOLLOWS BEING SAVED. With out being saved there would be no way, not even a chance that you could keep even one commandment. But once saved the new inner man begins to fight the sinful flesh or old man.

Since Pentecost we don't need the written law. The written law is of the flesh (Old Testament) but the law in the New Testament is written in our heart or made spiritual. So we don't need to memorize the law. The law is made spiritual BY OUR LORD JESUS.
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. When we fall and sin we are forgiven under the Spirit and grace.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death. The law of the Spirit is the Ten Commandments written on our hearts made us free from the PEANALTY of the fleshly written Thou shalt not Old Testament. When we fall it's like Jesus says ok, try again. Before Jesus we didn't stand a chance. The more we listen to the Spirit (law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus) the less we will sin. SIN IS TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: (see above)

Rom 8:4 that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. Those who mind the written law commit unforgiven sin.
They that are after the Spirit have the law written on their heart and the forgivness of sin.

Rom 8:6 For the mind of the flesh is death; but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace: If you break the law and you no doubt will because you mind is on the flesh. But the mind set on the Spirit keep the law which brings life and peace.

Rom 8:7 because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be.
Rom 8:8 and they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Why? Because their mind is not subject to the law of God!

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. But ye are not of the letter of the law, but you have the law written on your heart because the Spirit of God dwells in you.

The Ten Commandments are like the Lord's prayer. The Lord's prayer is not a prayer at all, it's instruction on how and what to pray for.

If i find a wallet, I don't say findsy keepsy I'm not steeling I FOUND the wallet. That would be Old Testament Law or the letter of the law. But the Spirit says see if there is ID in the wallet and return it, the wallet is NOT yours. The law is not done away with it's now made Spiritual.

[/I]

[kenrch]

Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 01 2005,00:21)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 31 2005,04:20) Hi kenrch, The ten commandmenSGRESSIONt are restrictions. Jesus Christ rewrote them in positive form. Instaed of a series of “thou shalt not”s he compressed tem into two' Love God. Love thy neighbour. That was the original intention of God anyway that we behave in the way he does. He wanted us to know the spirit of the Law and worship Him while loving others as we love ourselves but seared consciences made that impossible and so He introduced the ten commandments. It was a trap for the hypocrites who attempted to fulfill the detail and ignore the spirit.  Nothing of the Law has passed away but the restrictive aspects have gone for those who are reborn. Imagine if the traffic police went on strike. Everyone could travel as fast as they wanted to and no one would get into trouble. Evil men would use it to cause complete havoc but good men would drive in a similar way to what they did before. They would still be mindful of the old traffic signs that used to rule their behaviour. What if instead of the traffic law a new law was introduced that said to travel sensibly and carefully at all times and respect the other drivers. What if the new law said a friendly driving instructor would travel with you to remind you of these things and to warn you of danger. You would never be prosecuted but you would be allowed to use commonsense. Small infringements would be ignored and you need not live in fear of prosecution. You would be regarded as a good driver unless you chose to be stupid. Even then if the folly was not a constant attitude your friendly instructor would speak in your defense. If you still chose despite all these things to behave constantly like a dangerous lunatic it is likely you would be reported to the authotrities and lose your privileges. Does this make sense as far as the law and salvation goes? something like that seems right to me. Hi Nick, Are the Ten Commandments restrictive? 1Jo 5:3  For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. Jesus rewrote them in a positive form. Instaed of a series of “thou shalt not”s he compressed tem into two' Love God. Love thy neighbour. Yes Nick Love God = the first 4 commandments Love thy neighbor+ the last six commandments. Jesus rewrote the commandments. He sure did he magnified the law and made them spiritual. Mat 5:21  Ye have heard that it was said to them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: Mat 5:22  but I say unto you, that every one who is angry with his brother shall be in danger of the judgment; and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council; and whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of the hell of fire. Mat 5:27  Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt not commit adultery: Mat 5:28  but I say unto you, that every one that looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. If anything Jesus made it harder NOT to sin.  In the Old Testament thou shalt not Kill.  In the New Testament you can't get angry withput sinning! Old Testament no physical adultery.  New Testament don't even look at a woman with lust.  If you say to yourself you want that woman then you have commited adultery. Less restrictions! Read those scriptures again then tell me that!   Jesus didn't lust, was not angry (want to kill) with his brother. He expects us to try but everyone sins and falls short of the glory of God Heb 4:15  For we have not a high priest that cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but one that hath been in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Heb 4:16  Let us therefore draw near with boldness unto the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy, and may find grace to help us in time of need KEEPING THE LAW WILL NOT SAVE YOU NO MORE THAN JUST WORKS WILL.  WORKS FOLLOWS FAITH.  KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS FOLLOWS BEING SAVED.  With out being saved there would be no way, not even a chance that you could keep even one commandment.  But once saved the new inner man begins to fight the sinful flesh or old man. Since Pentecost we don't need the written law.  The written law is of the flesh (Old Testament) but the law in the New Testament is written in our heart or made spiritual. So we don't need to memorize the law.  The law is made spiritual BY OUR LORD JESUS. Rom 8:1  There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. When we fall and sin we are forgiven under the Spirit and grace. Rom 8:2  For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death. The law of the Spirit is the Ten Commandments written on our hearts made us free from the PEANALTY of the fleshly written Thou shalt not Old Testament.  When we fall it's like Jesus says ok, try again. Before Jesus we didn't stand a chance.  The more we listen to the Spirit (law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus) the less we will sin.  SIN IS TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW. Rom 8:3  For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: (see above) Rom 8:4  that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Rom 8:5  For they that are after the flesh mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  Those who mind the written law commit unforgiven sin. They that are after the Spirit have the law written on their heart and the forgivness of sin. Rom 8:6  For the mind of the flesh is death; but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace: If you break the law and you no doubt will because you mind is on the flesh.  But the mind set on the Spirit keep the law which brings life and peace. Rom 8:7  because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be. Rom 8:8  and they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Why? Because their mind is not subject to the law of God! Rom 8:9  But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.  But ye are not of the letter of the law, but you have the law written on your heart because the Spirit of God dwells in you. The Ten Commandments are like the Lord's prayer.  The Lord's prayer is not a prayer at all, it's instruction on how and what to pray for. If i find a wallet, I don't say findsy keepsy I'm not steeling I FOUND the wallet.  That would be Old Testament Law or the letter of the law.  But the Spirit says see if there is ID in the wallet and return it, the wallet is NOT yours.  The law is not done away with it's now made Spiritual. [/I]

Hi Nick,

My oringinal question was Why are we to remember the sabbath. This is the only commandment that is not written on my heart. Is that why we should remember it?

Does anyone know? It's not a trick question. I want to know!

[davidbfun]

Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 02 2005,17:13)

Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 01 2005,00:21) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 31 2005,04:20) Hi kenrch, The ten commandmenSGRESSIONt are restrictions. Jesus Christ rewrote them in positive form. Instaed of a series of “thou shalt not”s he compressed tem into two' Love God. Love thy neighbour. That was the original intention of God anyway that we behave in the way he does. He wanted us to know the spirit of the Law and worship Him while loving others as we love ourselves but seared consciences made that impossible and so He introduced the ten commandments. It was a trap for the hypocrites who attempted to fulfill the detail and ignore the spirit.  Nothing of the Law has passed away but the restrictive aspects have gone for those who are reborn. Imagine if the traffic police went on strike. Everyone could travel as fast as they wanted to and no one would get into trouble. Evil men would use it to cause complete havoc but good men would drive in a similar way to what they did before. They would still be mindful of the old traffic signs that used to rule their behaviour. What if instead of the traffic law a new law was introduced that said to travel sensibly and carefully at all times and respect the other drivers. What if the new law said a friendly driving instructor would travel with you to remind you of these things and to warn you of danger. You would never be prosecuted but you would be allowed to use commonsense. Small infringements would be ignored and you need not live in fear of prosecution. You would be regarded as a good driver unless you chose to be stupid. Even then if the folly was not a constant attitude your friendly instructor would speak in your defense. If you still chose despite all these things to behave constantly like a dangerous lunatic it is likely you would be reported to the authotrities and lose your privileges. Does this make sense as far as the law and salvation goes? something like that seems right to me. Hi Nick, Are the Ten Commandments restrictive? 1Jo 5:3  For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. Jesus rewrote them in a positive form. Instaed of a series of “thou shalt not”s he compressed tem into two' Love God. Love thy neighbour. Yes Nick Love God = the first 4 commandments Love thy neighbor+ the last six commandments. Jesus rewrote the commandments. He sure did he magnified the law and made them spiritual. Mat 5:21  Ye have heard that it was said to them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: Mat 5:22  but I say unto you, that every one who is angry with his brother shall be in danger of the judgment; and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council; and whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of the hell of fire. Mat 5:27  Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt not commit adultery: Mat 5:28  but I say unto you, that every one that looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. If anything Jesus made it harder NOT to sin.  In the Old Testament thou shalt not Kill.  In the New Testament you can't get angry withput sinning! Old Testament no physical adultery.  New Testament don't even look at a woman with lust.  If you say to yourself you want that woman then you have commited adultery. Less restrictions! Read those scriptures again then tell me that!   Jesus didn't lust, was not angry (want to kill) with his brother. He expects us to try but everyone sins and falls short of the glory of God Heb 4:15  For we have not a high priest that cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but one that hath been in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Heb 4:16  Let us therefore draw near with boldness unto the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy, and may find grace to help us in time of need KEEPING THE LAW WILL NOT SAVE YOU NO MORE THAN JUST WORKS WILL.  WORKS FOLLOWS FAITH.  KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS FOLLOWS BEING SAVED.  With out being saved there would be no way, not even a chance that you could keep even one commandment.  But once saved the new inner man begins to fight the sinful flesh or old man. Since Pentecost we don't need the written law.  The written law is of the flesh (Old Testament) but the law in the New Testament is written in our heart or made spiritual. So we don't need to memorize the law.  The law is made spiritual BY OUR LORD JESUS. Rom 8:1  There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. When we fall and sin we are forgiven under the Spirit and grace. Rom 8:2  For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death. The law of the Spirit is the Ten Commandments written on our hearts made us free from the PEANALTY of the fleshly written Thou shalt not Old Testament.  When we fall it's like Jesus says ok, try again. Before Jesus we didn't stand a chance.  The more we listen to the Spirit (law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus) the less we will sin.  SIN IS TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW. Rom 8:3  For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: (see above) Rom 8:4  that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Rom 8:5  For they that are after the flesh mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  Those who mind the written law commit unforgiven sin. They that are after the Spirit have the law written on their heart and the forgivness of sin. Rom 8:6  For the mind of the flesh is death; but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace: If you break the law and you no doubt will because you mind is on the flesh.  But the mind set on the Spirit keep the law which brings life and peace. Rom 8:7  because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be. Rom 8:8  and they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Why? Because their mind is not subject to the law of God! Rom 8:9  But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.  But ye are not of the letter of the law, but you have the law written on your heart because the Spirit of God dwells in you. The Ten Commandments are like the Lord's prayer.  The Lord's prayer is not a prayer at all, it's instruction on how and what to pray for. If i find a wallet, I don't say findsy keepsy I'm not steeling I FOUND the wallet.  That would be Old Testament Law or the letter of the law.  But the Spirit says see if there is ID in the wallet and return it, the wallet is NOT yours.  The law is not done away with it's now made Spiritual. [/I] Hi Nick, My oringinal question was Why are we to remember the sabbath.  This is the only commandment that is not written on my hea rt.  Is that why we should remember it? Does anyone know?  It's not a trick question.  I want to know!

Hi K,

The Sabbath is for our health:  Mental, physical and spiritual rejuvenation. Just as the land has a sabbath of years.

Also, the Ten Commandments are not God's.

His 5 are in Gen 1:26 & 28.

Jesus' summation of the Ten are in one word “LOVE”.

Jesus' commandment is in Matthew 28:19 Go, make disciples!

The Professor

[Arnold]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 05 2010,07:28)

Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 02 2005,17:13) Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 01 2005,00:21) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 31 2005,04:20) Hi kenrch, The ten commandmenSGRESSIONt are restrictions. Jesus Christ rewrote them in positive form. Instaed of a series of “thou shalt not”s he compressed tem into two' Love God. Love thy neighbour. That was the original intention of God anyway that we behave in the way he does. He wanted us to know the spirit of the Law and worship Him while loving others as we love ourselves but seared consciences made that impossible and so He introduced the ten commandments. It was a trap for the hypocrites who attempted to fulfill the detail and ignore the spirit.  Nothing of the Law has passed away but the restrictive aspects have gone for those who are reborn. Imagine if the traffic police went on strike. Everyone could travel as fast as they wanted to and no one would get into trouble. Evil men would use it to cause complete havoc but good men would drive in a similar way to what they did before. They would still be mindful of the old traffic signs that used to rule their behaviour. What if instead of the traffic law a new law was introduced that said to travel sensibly and carefully at all times and respect the other drivers. What if the new law said a friendly driving instructor would travel with you to remind you of these things and to warn you of danger. You would never be prosecuted but you would be allowed to use commonsense. Small infringements would be ignored and you need not live in fear of prosecution. You would be regarded as a good driver unless you chose to be stupid. Even then if the folly was not a constant attitude your friendly instructor would speak in your defense. If you still chose despite all these things to behave constantly like a dangerous lunatic it is likely you would be reported to the authotrities and lose your privileges. Does this make sense as far as the law and salvation goes? something like that seems right to me. Hi Nick, Are the Ten Commandments restrictive? 1Jo 5:3  For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. Jesus rewrote them in a positive form. Instaed of a series of “thou shalt not”s he compressed tem into two' Love God. Love thy neighbour. Yes Nick Love God = the first 4 commandments Love thy neighbor+ the last six commandments. Jesus rewrote the commandments. He sure did he magnified the law and made them spiritual. Mat 5:21  Ye have heard that it was said to them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: Mat 5:22  but I say unto you, that every one who is angry with his brother shall be in danger of the judgment; and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council; and whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of the hell of fire. Mat 5:27  Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt not commit adultery: Mat 5:28  but I say unto you, that every one that looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. If anything Jesus made it harder NOT to sin.  In the Old Testament thou shalt not Kill.  In the New Testament you can't get angry withput sinning! Old Testament no physical adultery.  New Testament don't even look at a woman with lust.  If you say to yourself you want that woman then you have commited adultery. Less restrictions! Read those scriptures again then tell me that!   Jesus didn't lust, was not angry (want to kill) with his brother. He expects us to try but everyone sins and falls short of the glory of God Heb 4:15  For we have not a high priest that cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but one that hath been in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Heb 4:16  Let us therefore draw near with boldness unto the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy, and may find grace to help us in time of need KEEPING THE LAW WILL NOT SAVE YOU NO MORE THAN JUST WORKS WILL.  WORKS FOLLOWS FAITH.  KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS FOLLOWS BEING SAVED.  With out being saved there would be no way, not even a chance that you could keep even one commandment.  But once saved the new inner man begins to fight the sinful flesh or old man. Since Pentecost we don't need the written law.  The written law is of the flesh (Old Testament) but the law in the New Testament is written in our heart or made spiritual. So we don't need to memorize the law.  The law is made spiritual BY OUR LORD JESUS. Rom 8:1  There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. When we fall and sin we are forgiven under the Spirit and grace. Rom 8:2  For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death. The law of the Spirit is the Ten Commandments written on our hearts made us free from the PEANALTY of the fleshly written Thou shalt not Old Testament.  When we fall it's like Jesus says ok, try again. Before Jesus we didn't stand a chance.  The more we listen to the Spirit (law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus) the less we will sin.  SIN IS TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW. Rom 8:3  For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: (see above) Rom 8:4  that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Rom 8:5  For they that are after the flesh mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  Those who mind the written law commit unforgiven sin. They that are after the Spirit have the law written on their heart and the forgivness of sin. Rom 8:6  For the mind of the flesh is death; but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace: If you break the law and you no doubt will because you mind is on the flesh.  But the mind set on the Spirit keep the law which brings life and peace. Rom 8:7  because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be. Rom 8:8  and they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Why? Because their mind is not subject to the law of God! Rom 8:9  But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.  But ye are not of the letter of the law, but you have the law written on your heart because the Spirit of God dwells in you. The Ten Commandments are like the Lord's prayer.  The Lord's prayer is not a prayer at all, it's instruction on how and what to pray for. If i find a wallet, I don't say findsy keepsy I'm not steeling I FOUND the wallet.  That would be Old Testament Law or the letter of the law.  But the Spirit says see if there is ID in the wallet and return it, the wallet is NOT yours.  The law is not done away with it's now made Spiritual. [/I] Hi Nick, My oringinal question was Why are we to remember the sabbath.  This is the only commandment that is not written on my heart.  Is that why we should remember it? Does anyone know?  It's not a trick question.  I want to know! Hi K, The Sabbath is for our health:  Mental, physical and spiritual rejuvenation.  Just as the land has a sabbath of years. Also, the Ten Commandments are not God's. His 5 are in Gen 1:26 & 28. Jesus' summation of the Ten are in one word “LOVE”. Jesus' commandment is in Matthew 28:19 Go, make disciples! The Professor

The question was, “how many” commandments did God give?

Read the book of Leviticus, there they are all listed, pay especially attention the the very “last” verse of the book.

It should also make you understand, why it took Moses 40 days, and nights, to wright down “TEN” commandments.

Georg

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Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 05 2010,07:28) Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 02 2005,17:13) Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 01 2005,00:21) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 31 2005,04:20) Hi kenrch, The ten commandmenSGRESSIONt are restrictions. Jesus Christ rewrote them in positive form. Instaed of a series of “thou shalt not”s he compressed tem into two' Love God. Love thy neighbour. That was the original intention of God anyway that we behave in the way he does. He wanted us to know the spirit of the Law and worship Him while loving others as we love ourselves but seared consciences made that impossible and so He introduced the ten commandments. It was a trap for the hypocrites who attempted to fulfill the detail and ignore the spirit.  Nothing of the Law has passed away but the restrictive aspects have gone for those who are reborn. Imagine if the traffic police went on strike. Everyone could travel as fast as they wanted to and no one would get into trouble. Evil men would use it to cause complete havoc but good men would drive in a similar way to what they did before. They would still be mindful of the old traffic signs that used to rule their behaviour. What if instead of the traffic law a new law was introduced that said to travel sensibly and carefully at all times and respect the other drivers. What if the new law said a friendly driving instructor would travel with you to remind you of these things and to warn you of danger. You would never be prosecuted but you would be allowed to use commonsense. Small infringements would be ignored and you need not live in fear of prosecution. You would be regarded as a good driver unless you chose to be stupid. Even then if the folly was not a constant attitude your friendly instructor would speak in your defense. If you still chose despite all these things to behave constantly like a dangerous lunatic it is likely you would be reported to the authotrities and lose your privileges. Does this make sense as far as the law and salvation goes? something like that seems right to me. Hi Nick, Are the Ten Commandments restrictive? 1Jo 5:3  For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. Jesus rewrote them in a positive form. Instaed of a series of “thou shalt not”s he compressed tem into two' Love God. Love thy neighbour. Yes Nick Love God = the first 4 commandments Love thy neighbor+ the last six commandments. Jesus rewrote the commandments. He sure did he magnified the law and made them spiritual. Mat 5:21  Ye have heard that it was said to them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: Mat 5:22  but I say unto you, that every one who is angry with his brother shall be in danger of the judgment; and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council; and whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of the hell of fire. Mat 5:27  Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt not commit adultery: Mat 5:28  but I say unto you, that every one that looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. If anything Jesus made it harder NOT to sin.  In the Old Testament thou shalt not Kill.  In the New Testament you can't get angry withput sinning! Old Testament no physical adultery.  New Testament don't even look at a woman with lust.  If you say to yourself you want that woman then you have commited adultery. Less restrictions! Read those scriptures again then tell me that!   Jesus didn't lust, was not angry (want to kill) with his brother. He expects us to try but everyone sins and falls short of the glory of God Heb 4:15  For we have not a high priest that cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but one that hath been in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Heb 4:16  Let us therefore draw near with boldness unto the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy, and may find grace to help us in time of need KEEPING THE LAW WILL NOT SAVE YOU NO MORE THAN JUST WORKS WILL.  WORKS FOLLOWS FAITH.  KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS FOLLOWS BEING SAVED.  With out being saved there would be no way, not even a chance that you could keep even one commandment.  But once saved the new inner man begins to fight the sinful flesh or old man. Since Pentecost we don't need the written law.  The written law is of the flesh (Old Testament) but the law in the New Testament is written in our heart or made spiritual. So we don't need to memorize the law.  The law is made spiritual BY OUR LORD JESUS. Rom 8:1  There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. When we fall and sin we are forgiven under the Spirit and grace. Rom 8:2  For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death. The law of the Spirit is the Ten Commandments written on our hearts made us free from the PEANALTY of the fleshly written Thou shalt not Old Testament.  When we fall it's like Jesus says ok, try again. Before Jesus we didn't stand a chance.  The more we listen to the Spirit (law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus) the less we will sin.  SIN IS TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW. Rom 8:3  For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: (see above) Rom 8:4  that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Rom 8:5  For they that are after the flesh mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  Those who mind the written law commit unforgiven sin. They that are after the Spirit have the law written on their heart and the forgivness of sin. Rom 8:6  For the mind of the flesh is death; but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace: If you break the law and you no doubt will because you mind is on the flesh.  But the mind set on the Spirit keep the law which brings life and peace. Rom 8:7  because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be. Rom 8:8  and they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Why? Because their mind is not subject to the law of God! Rom 8:9  But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.  But ye are not of the letter of the law, but you have the law written on your heart because the Spirit of God dwells in you. The Ten Commandments are like the Lord's prayer.  The Lord's prayer is not a prayer at all, it's instruction on how and what to pray for. If i find a wallet, I don't say findsy keepsy I'm not steeling I FOUND the wallet.   That would be Old Testament Law or the letter of the law.  But the Spirit says see if there is ID in the wallet and return it, the wallet is NOT yours.  The law is not done away with it's now made Spiritual. [/I] Hi Nick, My oringinal question was Why are we to remember the sabbath.  This is the only commandment that is not written on my heart.  Is that why we should remember it? Does anyone know?  It's not a trick question.  I want to know! Hi K, The Sabbath is for our health:  Mental, physical and spiritual rejuvenation.  Just as the land has a sabbath of years. Also, the Ten Commandments are not God's. His 5 are in Gen 1:26 & 28. Jesus' summation of the Ten are in one word “LOVE”. Jesus' commandment is in Matthew 28:19 Go, make disciples! The Professor The question was, “how many” commandments did God give? Read the book of Leviticus, there they are all listed, pay especially attention the the very “last” verse of the book. It should also make you understand, why it took Moses 40 days, and nights, to wright down “TEN” commandments. Georg

Georg,

Great sense of humor. It took God less days to create the universe than write down the 10 Commandments and 613 accomodating laws.

How many days would it take Adam to name all of the animals?

But, if the Bible says that the angels ordained the commandments are they really from God?

The “true” commandments given by God and you can hear His testimony of them are written in Gen 1:26 and Gen 1:28.

The Professor

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