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Quote (Colter @ Mar. 21 2013,01:30) Hummm, maybe I will stick around for a season after all, I'm famillier with these mate's down here. I knew some of these people from a forum that started out as “Finding Believers” but then became “Moving Beyond Faith”. What should we talk about?
What about Bigfoot?Hi Colter, I have a question…
What does the “UB” say was the reason for Jesus' death on a cross?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ Mar. 22 2013,18:59) Here we go… Tell us what the Urantia Book says about the formation of the solar system, and how that was the state of the science in 1905.
Tell us how old your book of plagiarism says the universe is. Would that be 13.7 billion years old, it's actual age, or does it say thousands of billions of years?
Stuart
Stu is not a true scientist but he plays one on the internet in his hobby of picking on religious people on multiple web sites.While I have found stu ignorant of what the UB says, and of spirituality in general, I will answer his question for the benefit of others.
The science of the UB was quite different in certain area's from the science of 1905 or of 2013.
The UB reveals that there is eternal Paradise, which is the pattern and source of the material universes. Paradise is incomprehensibly large and is surrounded by a ring of dark matter, concealing it from view by the 7 super universes of time and space that surround it. These are the material creations of the Son's of God.
The initiation of matter (the whirling nebula) from which our sun was born occurred about 1 trillion years ago
By 1934 the UB had revealed that the universe as we know it actually expands AND contracts on 1 billion year cycles, an idea not conceived of by our so called scientist until recently.
Our sun was a relatively isolated orb 5 billion years ago, that the planets in our solar system came from the sun.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Mar. 21 2013,21:43) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 22 2013,00:27) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 19 2013,19:46) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 20 2013,00:07) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 18 2013,23:17)
Kerwin,I sense that your definition of progressive is the one Rush would use in current sociopolitical usage in America. To me The term progressive was set by Jesus who established the bar at “love one another the way I have loved you”
The term “buzz word” itself has an element of anti-something to it.
My more contemporary terms should be easily translated by a disciple of Jesus without the legalistic quibbling.
“self conscious” would be the antithesis of Jesus' saying “let not the left hand know what the right hand is doing”…….which should flow right into “self forgetfulness.”
“service oriented” please see the sermon on the mount and then the rest of Jesus life of service to ones fellows.
Jesus disproved the erroneous doctrine of original sin or “chained to sin” as well as the Pagan doctrines of divine sacrifice.
Colter
Colter,Quote “self conscious” would be the antithesis of Jesus' saying “let not the left hand know what the right hand is doing”…….which should flow right into “self forgetfulness.” Jesus words about avoiding temptation.
Self awareness = being aware of temptations
Self forgetfulness = ignoring temptation.The rest of what you wrote vague, irrelevant, point of view, or nonsense.
Matthew 6
New International Version (NIV)Giving to the Needy
6 “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them.(A) If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.2 “So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Colter
Colter,Thank you, but how does that continue the conversation.
We may go over your points I find vague or biased later.
Kerwin,We had been discussing the negative impact of institutionalized religion when we got tangled up in the weeds pop terminology, progressivism, Liberalism etc. The quote I provided from Matthew 6 was the actual context of doing good works without the need to tell everyone about it.
Anyhow much more can be gleaned from the UB on the subject.
The Social Problems of Religion
http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-99-social-problems-religion
Colter,The pharisees were giving to the needy. Their motives for doing so were the situation the required mending. It is to avoid being tempted by these evil motivation that Jesus instructed his students not to let one hand know what the other was doing.
False teachings and the desires they appeal to are the bane of this world. The pharisees, in their desire to be first, taught that their actions and so motivation were good. In this they demonstrated an addiction to darkness.
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 22 2013,22:21) Hi Colter, I have a question… What does the “UB” say was the reason for Jesus' death on a cross?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed jI will just clip and post it as not to loose something in my imperfect translation. Quite simply, Jesus lived his entire life on the cross of human experience, death is natural for all who do not “translate” directly to the mansion worlds.
Our creator brother has experienced all that we are asked to experience, even passing through death in his Love for us.
MEANING OF THE DEATH ON THE CROSS
Crown of Thorns by Carl Bloch 188:4.1 Although Jesus did not die this death on the cross to atone for the racial guilt of mortal man nor to provide some sort of effective approach to an otherwise offended and unforgiving God; even though the Son of Man did not offer himself as a sacrifice to appease the wrath of God and to open the way for sinful man to obtain salvation; notwithstanding that these ideas of atonement and propitiation are erroneous, nonetheless, there are significances attached to this death of Jesus on the cross which should not be overlooked. It is a fact that Urantia has become known among other neighboring inhabited planets as the “World of the Cross.”
188:4.2 Jesus desired to live a full mortal life in the flesh on Urantia. Death is, ordinarily, a part of life. Death is the last act in the mortal drama. In your well-meant efforts to escape the superstitious errors of the false interpretation of the meaning of the death on the cross, you should be careful not to make the great mistake of failing to perceive the true significance and the genuine import of the Master’s death.
188:4.3 Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil-doing of his ancestors. Neither was the Master’s death on the cross a sacrifice which consisted in an effort to pay God a debt which the race of mankind had come to owe him. *
188:4.4 Before Jesus lived on earth, you might possibly have been justified in believing in such a God, but not since the Master lived and died among your fellow mortals. Moses taught the dignity and justice of a Creator God; but Jesus portrayed the love and mercy of a heavenly Father.
188:4.5 The animal nature—the tendency toward evil-doing—may be hereditary, but sin is not transmitted from parent to child. Sin is the act of conscious and deliberate rebellion against the Father’s will and the Sons’ laws by an individual will creature. *
188:4.6 Jesus lived and died for a whole universe, not just for the races of this one world. While the mortals of the realms had salvation even before Jesus lived and died on Urantia, it is nevertheless a fact that his bestowal on this world greatly illuminated the way of salvation; his death did much to make forever plain the certainty of mortal survival after death in the flesh.
188:4.7 Though it is hardly proper to speak of Jesus as a sacrificer, a ransomer, or a redeemer, it is wholly correct to refer to him as a savior. He forever made the way of salvation (survival) more clear and certain; he did better and more surely show the way of salvation for all the mortals of all the worlds of the universe of Nebadon.
188:4.8 When once you grasp the idea of God as a true and loving Father, the only concept which Jesus ever taught, you must forthwith, in all consistency, utterly abandon all those primitive notions about God as an offended monarch, a stern and all-powerful ruler whose chief delight is to detect his subjects in wrongdoing and to see that they are adequately punished, unless some being almost equal to himself should volunteer to suffer for them, to die as a substitute and in their stead. The whole idea of ransom and atonement is incompatible with the concept of God as it was taught and exemplified by Jesus of Nazareth. The infinite love of God is not secondary to anything in the divine nature.
188:4.9 All this concept of atonement and sacrificial salvation is rooted and grounded in selfishness. Jesus taught that service to one’s fellows is the highest concept of the brotherhood of spirit believers. Salvation should be taken for granted by those who believe in the fatherhood of God. The believer’s chief concern should not be the selfish desire for personal salvation but rather the unselfish urge to love and, therefore, serve one’s fellows even as Jesus loved and served mortal men.
188:4.10 Neither do genuine believers trouble themselves so much about the future punishment of sin. The real believer is only concerned about present separation from God. True, wise fathers may chasten their sons, but they do all this in love and for corrective purposes. They do not punish in anger, neither do they chastise in retribution.
188:4.11 Even if God were the stern and legal monarch of a universe in which justice ruled supreme, he certainly would not be satisfied with the childish scheme of substituting an innocent sufferer for a guilty offender.
188:4.12 The great thing about the death of Jesus, as it is related to the enrichment of human experience and the enlargement of the way of salvation, is not the fact of his death but rather the superb manner and the matchless spirit in which he met death.
188:4.13 This entire idea of the ransom of the atonement places salvation upon a plane of unreality; such a concept is purely philosophic. Human salvation is real; it is based on two realities which may be grasped by the creature’s faith and thereby become incorporated into individual human experience: the fact of the fatherhood of God and its correlated truth, the brotherhood of man. It is true, after all, that you are to be “forgiven your debts, even as you forgive your debtors.”
Colter
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 22 2013,23:06) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 21 2013,21:43) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 22 2013,00:27) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 19 2013,19:46) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 20 2013,00:07) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 18 2013,23:17)
Kerwin,I sense that your definition of progressive is the one Rush would use in current sociopolitical usage in America. To me The term progressive was set by Jesus who established the bar at “love one another the way I have loved you”
The term “buzz word” itself has an element of anti-something to it.
My more contemporary terms should be easily translated by a disciple of Jesus without the legalistic quibbling.
“self conscious” would be the antithesis of Jesus' saying “let not the left hand know what the right hand is doing”…….which should flow right into “self forgetfulness.”
“service oriented” please see the sermon on the mount and then the rest of Jesus life of service to ones fellows.
Jesus disproved the erroneous doctrine of original sin or “chained to sin” as well as the Pagan doctrines of divine sacrifice.
Colter
Colter,Quote “self conscious” would be the antithesis of Jesus' saying “let not the left hand know what the right hand is doing”…….which should flow right into “self forgetfulness.” Jesus words about avoiding temptation.
Self awareness = being aware of temptations
Self forgetfulness = ignoring temptation.The rest of what you wrote vague, irrelevant, point of view, or nonsense.
Matthew 6
New International Version (NIV)Giving to the Needy
6 “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them.(A) If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.2 “So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Colter
Colter,Thank you, but how does that continue the conversation.
We may go over your points I find vague or biased later.
Kerwin,We had been discussing the negative impact of institutionalized religion when we got tangled up in the weeds pop terminology, progressivism, Liberalism etc. The quote I provided from Matthew 6 was the actual context of doing good works without the need to tell everyone about it.
Anyhow much more can be gleaned from the UB on the subject.
The Social Problems of Religion
http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-99-social-problems-religion
Colter,The pharisees were giving to the needy. Their motives for doing so were the situation the required mending. It is to avoid being tempted by these evil motivation that Jesus instructed his students not to let one hand know what the other was doing.
False teachings and the desires they appeal to are the bane of this world. The pharisees, in their desire to be first, taught that their actions and so motivation were good. In this they demonstrated an addiction to darkness.
Ok thanks Kerwin, I understand your point.Colter
Hi Colter,
I see a lot of 'irrelevant' opinions expressed in your quote.
However there are a couple of points I wish to address.Quote (Colter @ Mar. 23 2013,00:25) this concept of atonement and sacrificial salvation is rooted and grounded in selfishness Quote (Colter @ Mar. 23 2013,00:25) Salvation should be taken for granted by those who believe in the fatherhood of God God said: “The wages of sin is death” -AND- “If you eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, YOU SHALL SURELY DIE”
…so God's word – as in God's credibility (in front of the Angels) in what HE says, was at stake (is God a liar?).
His credibility was at stake, so God set an atonement in the face of Jesus to pay our sin debt.___
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 23 2013,03:55) Hi Colter, I see a lot of 'irrelevant' opinions expressed in your quote.
However there are a couple of points I wish to address.Quote (Colter @ Mar. 23 2013,00:25) this concept of atonement and sacrificial salvation is rooted and grounded in selfishness Quote (Colter @ Mar. 23 2013,00:25) Salvation should be taken for granted by those who believe in the fatherhood of God God said: “The wages of sin is death” -AND- “If you eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, YOU SHALL SURELY DIE”
…so God's word – as in God's credibility (in front of the Angels) in what HE says, was at stake (is God a liar?).
His credibility was at stake, so God set an atonement in the face of Jesus to pay our sin debt.___
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
So no, God is not a liar; the human authors of scripture were in error, they adopted the Persian concepts of original sin. The same people who wrote (or rewrote) the scripture also rejected Jesus and they still do. I don't care what their opinion is.When the Hebrew priest redacted the OT they, added the ancient story of Adam and Eve. The A & E story was so old that people assumed that they were the first on earth, they were not.
Death came to Adam and Eve SPECIFICALLY; they lost the use of the “tree of life”. They were immortal, incarnate celestials but because they went against Gods plan of salvation for a populated, fallen world, they became “like one of us.”
Sacrificial atonement was nowhere in Jesus' gospel; however the concept was well established among the Pagan world who adopted the evolving Christian religion.
Jesus said he had the power to lay down his life and the power to take it up again, he did and he did. He said he would raise himself from the dead; he did and returned to his rightful place in heaven.
God loves us naturally and unconditionally Ed. Blood sacrifice of small animals or human is a barbaric injustice.
Colter
OOps, sorry Ed, I cut off my reply:
Ed,
The Bible was written by various holy men not God. It contradicts itself often. Jesus contradicts you when he taught that Faith saves, not works and certainly not human/divine sacrifice.
Quote (Colter @ Mar. 23 2013,04:59) OOps, sorry Ed, I cut off my reply: Ed,
The Bible was written by various holy men not God. (1)It contradicts itself often.
(2)Jesus contradicts you (3)when he taught that Faith saves, not works and certainly not human/divine sacrifice.
Hi Colter, (1)where?2) Not so! 3) It's our “Faith” in Jesus' atoning sacrifice that saves us.
“we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled,
we shall be saved by his life. And not only so, but we also joy in God through
our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.” (Romans 5:10-11)“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe
in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth
confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever
believeth on him shall not be ashamed.” (Romans 10:9-11)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 23 2013,05:33) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 23 2013,04:59) OOps, sorry Ed, I cut off my reply: Ed,
The Bible was written by various holy men not God. (1)It contradicts itself often.
(2)Jesus contradicts you (3)when he taught that Faith saves, not works and certainly not human/divine sacrifice.
Hi Colter, (1)where?2) Not so! 3) It's our “Faith” in Jesus' atoning sacrifice that saves us.
“we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled,
we shall be saved by his life. And not only so, but we also joy in God through
our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.” (Romans 5:10-11)“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe
in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth
confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever
believeth on him shall not be ashamed.” (Romans 10:9-11)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
You quoted Pagan Paul, not Jesus who taught salvation by faith. That's what I mean, the Pagan world of the Mystery religions merged with Christianity and brought their own ideas into the interpretation of the Jesus story.The “good news” wasn't Jesus dieing as a ransom, it was Gods loving forgiveness for those lost, sonship for those reunited and brotherhood for all the world.
Paul brought his Pagan doctrine of atonement to the new gospel. Paul was not one of the original 12 yet he barges in and dominates the NT.
Jesus raised himself up from the dead as he said he would. It was never his intention to stay on our world, he rules many worlds from on high.
Colter
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 22 2013,21:37) 13.8 billion years old. You are reading an old text book.
OK, 13.798 ± 0.037 billion years old. I appreciate your enthusiasm for it's upcoming 13.8 billionth birthday in 98 million ± 37 million years.Stuart
Quote (Colter @ Mar. 23 2013,06:03) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 23 2013,05:33) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 23 2013,04:59) OOps, sorry Ed, I cut off my reply: Ed,
The Bible was written by various holy men not God. (1)It contradicts itself often.
(2)Jesus contradicts you (3)when he taught that Faith saves, not works and certainly not human/divine sacrifice.
Hi Colter, (1)where?2) Not so! 3) It's our “Faith” in Jesus' atoning sacrifice that saves us.
“we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled,
we shall be saved by his life. And not only so, but we also joy in God through
our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.” (Romans 5:10-11)“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe
in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth
confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever
believeth on him shall not be ashamed.” (Romans 10:9-11)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
You quoted Pagan Paul, not Jesus who taught salvation by faith. That's what I mean, the Pagan world of the Mystery religions merged with Christianity and brought their own ideas into the interpretation of the Jesus story.The “good news” wasn't Jesus dieing as a ransom, it was Gods loving forgiveness for those lost, sonship for those reunited and brotherhood for all the world.
Paul brought his Pagan doctrine of atonement to the new gospel. Paul was not one of the original 12 yet he barges in and dominates the NT.
Jesus raised himself up from the dead as he said he would. It was never his intention to stay on our world, he rules many worlds from on high.
Colter
Colter.John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he **GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON**, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.(THIS IS GODS GIFT TO US).(HE IS SHOWING US; THE WORLD HIS LOVE).
FOR HE LOVED US FIRST.John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; *BUT THAT THE WORLD THROUGH HIM MIGHT BE SAVED*. (THE DOOR TO GOD IS NOW OPENED,AND HE IS THE DOOR TO GOD) THERE IS NO OTHER DOOR TO GOD.
**GOD** HAS CREATED THAT DOOR.**NOT MEN**.Colter; You have FEFUSED and DENIED the gift of GOD.
And have accepted some other gift;WHICH IS FUTILE.Without the crucifixion,there is NO resurrection of the dead.
Jesus is the first resurrected;and his brethren will follow.
His resurrection is *PROOF* that the dead in Christ also will be resurrected.If Christ did not die on the cross,there is also no resurrection,and therefore our faith is for nothing.
Lets just eat and drink;for tomorrow we die.Satan has corrupted EVERY AVENUE during the ages; but the true seekers will find.
wakeup.
Quote (Colter @ Mar. 22 2013,22:51) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 22 2013,18:59) Here we go… Tell us what the Urantia Book says about the formation of the solar system, and how that was the state of the science in 1905.
Tell us how old your book of plagiarism says the universe is. Would that be 13.7 billion years old, it's actual age, or does it say thousands of billions of years?
Stuart
Stu is not a true scientist but he plays one on the internet in his hobby of picking on religious people on multiple web sites.While I have found stu ignorant of what the UB says, and of spirituality in general, I will answer his question for the benefit of others.
Are you replying to me in the third person? How rude. Still, believers in stolen intellectual property probably don’t have much in the way of courtesy.Quote The science of the UB was quite different in certain area's from the science of 1905 or of 2013.
Yes, in PC terms it is differently correct.Quote The UB reveals that there is eternal Paradise, which is the pattern and source of the material universes.
“Reveals”. Hilarious!Quote The initiation of matter (the whirling nebula) from which our sun was born occurred about 1 trillion years ago
…which was about about 986,000,000,000 years before the universe existed.Quote By 1934 the UB had revealed that the universe as we know it actually expands AND contracts on 1 billion year cycles, an idea not conceived of by our so called scientist until recently.
It says 2 billion years, doesn’t it?Please explain to me (apparently not a “true scientist”, although how you could know is a mystery to me, or what relevance it has you haven’t said) exactly the sense in which the universe is “breathing”. Tell us what astronomer has agreed with that even as an analogy.
And please tell us the publication date of your book of crackpot plagiarism. It wasn’t 1934, was it. Let’s add dishonesty to discourtesy.
Quote Our sun was a relatively isolated orb 5 billion years ago, that the planets in our solar system came from the sun.
Which was what they thought in 1905 (as usual the UB doesn’t give the credit to those who did the actual work; it was Thomas Chamberlin and Forest Ray Moulton). And they turned out to be wrong, and so is the UB.But thanks for playing. Science isn’t about setting wrong ideas in concrete, but the UB is.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 23 2013,08:48) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 22 2013,21:37) 13.8 billion years old. You are reading an old text book.
OK, 13.798 ± 0.037 billion years old. I appreciate your enthusiasm for it's upcoming 13.8 billionth birthday in 98 million ± 37 million years.Stuart
Hang on, that's not right.…I appreciate your enthusiasm for it's upcoming 13.8 billionth birthday in 2 million ± 37 million years.
So within uncertainty, we could be celebrating it's 13.8 billionth birthday NOW!
Should we send it a telegram?
Stuart
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 23 2013,10:21) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 23 2013,06:03) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 23 2013,05:33) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 23 2013,04:59) OOps, sorry Ed, I cut off my reply: Ed,
The Bible was written by various holy men not God. (1)It contradicts itself often.
(2)Jesus contradicts you (3)when he taught that Faith saves, not works and certainly not human/divine sacrifice.
Hi Colter, (1)where?2) Not so! 3) It's our “Faith” in Jesus' atoning sacrifice that saves us.
“we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled,
we shall be saved by his life. And not only so, but we also joy in God through
our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.” (Romans 5:10-11)“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe
in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth
confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever
believeth on him shall not be ashamed.” (Romans 10:9-11)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
You quoted Pagan Paul, not Jesus who taught salvation by faith. That's what I mean, the Pagan world of the Mystery religions merged with Christianity and brought their own ideas into the interpretation of the Jesus story.The “good news” wasn't Jesus dieing as a ransom, it was Gods loving forgiveness for those lost, sonship for those reunited and brotherhood for all the world.
Paul brought his Pagan doctrine of atonement to the new gospel. Paul was not one of the original 12 yet he barges in and dominates the NT.
Jesus raised himself up from the dead as he said he would. It was never his intention to stay on our world, he rules many worlds from on high.
Colter
Colter.John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he **GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON**, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.(THIS IS GODS GIFT TO US).(HE IS SHOWING US; THE WORLD HIS LOVE).
FOR HE LOVED US FIRST.John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; *BUT THAT THE WORLD THROUGH HIM MIGHT BE SAVED*. (THE DOOR TO GOD IS NOW OPENED,AND HE IS THE DOOR TO GOD) THERE IS NO OTHER DOOR TO GOD.
**GOD** HAS CREATED THAT DOOR.**NOT MEN**.Colter; You have FEFUSED and DENIED the gift of GOD.
And have accepted some other gift;WHICH IS FUTILE.Without the crucifixion,there is NO resurrection of the dead.
Jesus is the first resurrected;and his brethren will follow.
His resurrection is *PROOF* that the dead in Christ also will be resurrected.If Christ did not die on the cross,there is also no resurrection,and therefore our faith is for nothing.
Lets just eat and drink;for tomorrow we die.Satan has corrupted EVERY AVENUE during the ages; but the true seekers will find.
wakeup.
Neither John 3:16 or John 3:17 say that Jesus was a human sacrifice to satisfy God and pave the way for forgiveness. You just imagine that they do.I surrendered my life to God, I believe in the creator Son, I believe in “the good news”, I have confessed my sins, made amends to those I hurt and live a decided, God centered life.
Matthew 4
Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom, and healing every disease and sickness among the people.
The “good news” of the kingdom BEFORE the cross is different then what Paganized Christians call the good news today.
Spiritually lazy Christians substitute human sacrifice for the ego deflating work of personal transformation and faith trust in God.
By default, since Pagan Christians need a sacrifice substitute they support the murder of Jesus as well as his unjust trial.
Colter
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 23 2013,11:04) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 22 2013,22:51) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 22 2013,18:59) Here we go… Tell us what the Urantia Book says about the formation of the solar system, and how that was the state of the science in 1905.
Tell us how old your book of plagiarism says the universe is. Would that be 13.7 billion years old, it's actual age, or does it say thousands of billions of years?
Stuart
Stu is not a true scientist but he plays one on the internet in his hobby of picking on religious people on multiple web sites.While I have found stu ignorant of what the UB says, and of spirituality in general, I will answer his question for the benefit of others.
Are you replying to me in the third person? How rude. Still, believers in stolen intellectual property probably don’t have much in the way of courtesy.Quote The science of the UB was quite different in certain area's from the science of 1905 or of 2013.
Yes, in PC terms it is differently correct.Quote The UB reveals that there is eternal Paradise, which is the pattern and source of the material universes.
“Reveals”. Hilarious!Quote The initiation of matter (the whirling nebula) from which our sun was born occurred about 1 trillion years ago
…which was about about 986,000,000,000 years before the universe existed.Quote By 1934 the UB had revealed that the universe as we know it actually expands AND contracts on 1 billion year cycles, an idea not conceived of by our so called scientist until recently.
It says 2 billion years, doesn’t it?Please explain to me (apparently not a “true scientist”, although how you could know is a mystery to me, or what relevance it has you haven’t said) exactly the sense in which the universe is “breathing”. Tell us what astronomer has agreed with that even as an analogy.
And please tell us the publication date of your book of crackpot plagiarism. It wasn’t 1934, was it. Let’s add dishonesty to discourtesy.
Quote Our sun was a relatively isolated orb 5 billion years ago, that the planets in our solar system came from the sun.
Which was what they thought in 1905 (as usual the UB doesn’t give the credit to those who did the actual work; it was Thomas Chamberlin and Forest Ray Moulton). And they turned out to be wrong, and so is the UB.But thanks for playing. Science isn’t about setting wrong ideas in concrete, but the UB is.
Stuart
Space Respiration(123.3) 11:6.1 “We do not know the actual mechanism of space respiration; we merely observe that all space alternately contracts and expands. This respiration affects both the horizontal extension of pervaded space and the vertical extensions of unpervaded space which exist in the vast space reservoirs above and below Paradise. In attempting to imagine the volume outlines of these space reservoirs, you might think of an hourglass.
(123.4) 11:6.2 As the universes of the horizontal extension of pervaded space expand, the reservoirs of the vertical extension of unpervaded space contract and vice versa. There is a confluence of pervaded and unpervaded space just underneath nether Paradise. Both types of space there flow through the transmuting regulation channels, where changes are wrought making pervadable space nonpervadable and vice versa in the contraction and expansion cycles of the cosmos.
(123.5) 11:6.3 “Unpervaded” space means: unpervaded by those forces, energies, powers, and presences known to exist in pervaded space. We do not know whether vertical (reservoir) space is destined always to function as the equipoise of horizontal (universe) space; we do not know whether there is a creative intent concerning unpervaded space; we really know very little about the space reservoirs, merely that they exist, and that they seem to counterbalance the space-expansion-contraction cycles of the universe of universes.
(123.6) 11:6.4 The cycles of space respiration extend in each phase for a little more than one billion Urantia years. During one phase the universes expand; during the next they contract. Pervaded space is now approaching the mid-point of the expanding phase, while unpervaded space nears the mid-point of the contracting phase, and we are informed that the outermost limits of both space extensions are, theoretically, now approximately equidistant from Paradise. The unpervaded-space reservoirs now extend vertically above upper Paradise and below nether Paradise just as far as the pervaded space of the universe extends horizontally outward from peripheral Paradise to and even beyond the fourth outer space level.
(124.1) 11:6.5 For a billion years of Urantia time the space reservoirs contract while the master universe and the force activities of all horizontal space expand. It thus requires a little over two billion Urantia years to complete the entire expansion-contraction cycle.” UB 1934
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Mar. 23 2013,13:21) made amends to those I hurt
Does the bible demand christians do this?I've never found it in there. I'd be interested to know if there is such a verse.
Stuart
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