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Hebrews 1:3
3And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature [Gr. hypostasis]…Hypostasis – From a compound of G5259 and G2476; a setting under (support), that is, (figuratively) concretely essence, or abstractly assurance (objectively or subjectively): – confidence, confident, person, substance. (Strong’s Concordance).
“… in Heb. 1:3, of Christ as “the very image” of God's “substance;” here the word has the meaning of the real nature of that to which reference is made in contrast to the outward manifestation (see the preceding clause); it speaks of the Divine essence of God existent and expressed in the revelation of His Son. The AV, “person” is an anachronism; the word was not so rendered till the 4th cent. Most of the earlier Eng. versions have “substance;” (Vine’s Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)
Yahshua is not lesser in His nature, He is not inferior in His being.
Simple and basic enough for anyone to comprehend……
Hi Is 1.18,
The divine essence was shown in the Son.
The Son was filled with the deity of God.
He was a pure vessel who revealed the completeness of the nature of God..
within him.
The vessel was not also the contents.Hi Is 1.18,
You also can have this treasure in your earthen vessel.
2 Corinthians 4:7
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
Eph 3.19
19And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
We are to be changed and grow up in the inner man into Christ
Ephesians 4:15
But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:That is the work of Christ's Spirit reborn into you and fed by the Word and watered by grace.
Christ had the fullnesss of all the graces and gifts but his body share those treasures continuing his work.
Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 26 2007,23:22) How do you understand the “deity” of God? And, are we also filled with it?
Hi NH,
You didn't answer my questions.I need a definition for this one:
Quote How do you understand the “deity” of God?
And a 'yes' or 'no' answer for this one:Quote are we also filled with it?
ThanksHi Is 1.18,
God manifested every aspect of himself in His son Jesus.
His full range of powers and His righteous, loving and blessing nature was revealed in that glorious vessel.
Now Christ in heaven at the Right hand of God is the head of his body on earth and those same graces should be still fully manifest through it.
So the fullness of the deity of God still indwells the Son of God and those in him.Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 27 2007,18:11) Hebrews 1:3
3And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature [Gr. hypostasis]…Hypostasis – From a compound of G5259 and G2476; a setting under (support), that is, (figuratively) concretely essence, or abstractly assurance (objectively or subjectively): – confidence, confident, person, substance. (Strong’s Concordance).
“… in Heb. 1:3, of Christ as “the very image” of God's “substance;” here the word has the meaning of the real nature of that to which reference is made in contrast to the outward manifestation (see the preceding clause); it speaks of the Divine essence of God existent and expressed in the revelation of His Son. The AV, “person” is an anachronism; the word was not so rendered till the 4th cent. Most of the earlier Eng. versions have “substance;” (Vine’s Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)
Yahshua is not lesser in His nature, He is not inferior in His being.
Simple and basic enough for anyone to comprehend……
And we will partake in divine nature. Not a lesser nature, surely?.Yet we will never be God or as great as him.
Simple enough to understand aye!
Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.2 Peter 1:4
Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.Quote (t8 @ Jan. 27 2007,10:25) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 27 2007,18:11) Hebrews 1:3
3And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature [Gr. hypostasis]…Hypostasis – From a compound of G5259 and G2476; a setting under (support), that is, (figuratively) concretely essence, or abstractly assurance (objectively or subjectively): – confidence, confident, person, substance. (Strong’s Concordance).
“… in Heb. 1:3, of Christ as “the very image” of God's “substance;” here the word has the meaning of the real nature of that to which reference is made in contrast to the outward manifestation (see the preceding clause); it speaks of the Divine essence of God existent and expressed in the revelation of His Son. The AV, “person” is an anachronism; the word was not so rendered till the 4th cent. Most of the earlier Eng. versions have “substance;” (Vine’s Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)
Yahshua is not lesser in His nature, He is not inferior in His being.
Simple and basic enough for anyone to comprehend……
And we will partake in divine nature. Not a lesser nature, surely?.Yet we will never be God or as great as him.
Simple enough to understand aye!
Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.2 Peter 1:4
Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
Amen! God all in all!Quote (t8 @ Jan. 27 2007,10:25) And we will partake in divine nature. Not a lesser nature, surely?. Yet we will never be God or as great as him.
Simple enough to understand aye!
Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.2 Peter 1:4
Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
Hello t8,
The phrase “participate in the divine nature” does not necessarily reference the fact that we will become divine beings. It could just mean that we will one day be in the presence of divinity – experience YHWH.You do know that, right?
Hi Is 1.18,
You understand we are in Christ.
You tell us Christ is God.
Then you balk.The problem is that Christ is not our God and is our Lord.
He was indwelled with the divine nature.
So should we be.That does not make us God any more that it makes him God.
Hi Is 1.18,
What is plain is that your claim to reliance on scripture is questionable. You grasp certain scriptures but then other matters are substantiated only by logic and reason.If scripture calls Christ God you lay that as a plank, but if men and angels are called gods in scripture you turn to logic and reason and want to have their nature analysed. Why two hats?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 27 2007,20:22) Hi Is 1.18,
You understand we are in Christ.
You tell us Christ is God.
Then you balk.
Huh? What a confusing statement.Quote The problem is that Christ is not our God and is our Lord.
Tell it to Thomas. Who was his “Lord and God“?Quote He was indwelled with the divine nature.
So should we be.
If you believe that we are, or will, be indwelled with “theotes” then you have formed this opinion from outside of scripture. The word is never applied to men in the Bible.Quote That does not make us God any more that it makes him God.
Being indwelt by “theos” doesn't, but being indwelt by the fullness of deity (theotes) most certainly does.If you disagree that Yahshus is “God”, then your argument is with the Bible, not me.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 27 2007,20:34) Hi Is 1.18,
What is plain is that your claim to reliance on scripture is questionable. You grasp certain scriptures but then other matters are substantiated only by logic and reason.
I think we should follow Yahshua's and Paul's example (in particular) and apply logic and reason to scripture. It would be foolish to do otherwise.Quote If scripture calls Christ God you lay that as a plank, but if men and angels are called gods in scripture you turn to logic and reason and want to have their nature analysed. Why two hats?
I've explained this misunderstanding of my position in a post to David.Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 27 2007,21:07) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 27 2007,20:22) Hi Is 1.18,
You understand we are in Christ.
You tell us Christ is God.
Then you balk.
Huh? What a confusing statement.Quote The problem is that Christ is not our God and is our Lord.
Tell it to Thomas. Who was his “Lord and God“?Quote He was indwelled with the divine nature.
So should we be.
If you believe that we are, or will, be indwelled with “theotes” then you have formed this opinion from outside of scripture. The word is never applied to men in the Bible.Quote That does not make us God any more that it makes him God.
Being indwelt by “theos” doesn't, but being indwelt by the fullness of deity (theotes) most certainly does.If you disagree that Yahshus is “God”, then your argument is with the Bible, not me.
Hi Is 1.18,
Are you not in Christ?
Have you not been reborn into the Son of God?
Romans 6:3
Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?
Galatians 3:27
For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
Galatians 2:4
But it was because of the false brethren secretly brought in, who had sneaked in to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, in order to bring us into bondage.
1 Corinthians 1:9
God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 28 2007,05:27) Are you not in Christ?
Have you not been reborn into the Son of God?
Romans 6:3
Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?
Galatians 3:27
For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
Galatians 2:4
But it was because of the false brethren secretly brought in, who had sneaked in to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, in order to bring us into bondage.
1 Corinthians 1:9
God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.
Hmmm….what does it mean to be “in Christ”? Can you give me a concise explanation of what this expression means please?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 28 2007,05:27) Hi Is 1.18,
Are you not in Christ?
You mentioned it. I would like you to tell me what your understanding is of what you wrote.What does it mean to be “in Christ”?
Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 28 2007,10:45) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 28 2007,05:27) Hi Is 1.18,
Are you not in Christ?
You mentioned it. I would like you to tell me what your understanding is of what you wrote.What does it mean to be “in Christ”?
To be in Christ means to take on the nature of Christ through the Holy Spirit.Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God sent forth the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, Abba, Father.1Co 13:4 Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not its own, is not provoked, taketh not account of evil;
1Co 13:6 rejoiceth not in unrighteousness, but rejoiceth with the truth;
1Co 13:7 beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1Co 13:8 Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall be done away; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall be done away.If you have not love you don't have Jesus and therefore are not IN Christ
Peace and love Brother.
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