Chuck the 10 commandments!!!

[davidbfun]

There have been threads regarding the 10 Commandments:

They are NOT God's Commandments, sorry to say; they were ordained by the angels.

Jesus said that God wanted LOVE to be understood thru these guidelines of which the point was apparently missed; but the lawyer agreed with the intent of God.

Jesus taught many things for us to do and the purpose of this thread is to find the “positive” do's in the Scripture and highlight them.

I'll begin with the most obvious; Jesus' command before ascending into Heaven.

Matthew 28:19-20  Go therefore and make “disciples” of all the nations, “baptizing” them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, (20) “teaching” them to observe all that I “commanded” you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

Here is the beginning list:

1-Make Disciples
2-Baptize
3-Teach; Others to do what Jesus “commanded”

The task:  What did Jesus “command”?

Grace, Peace and Joy in this endeavor.

The Professor

[kerwin]

David B.

The Ten Commandments and all other righteous requirements of the Twelve Tribes of Israel are summed up in the command to love your neighbor as yourself. Therefore if you walk according to the spirit of righteousness that you only receive under the new covenant then you do all that God requires by the nature of the spirit.

[davidbfun]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 07 2010,23:55)

David B. The Ten Commandments and all other righteous requirements of the Twelve Tribes of Israel are summed up in the command to love your neighbor as yourself.  Therefore if you walk according to the spirit of righteousness that you only receive under the new covenant then you do all that God requires by the nature of the spirit.

Hello Kerwin,

Thanks, that is true, however, what I was hoping for in the post was to find out specifically the things Jesus taught, AND commanded while he was alive for his followers to do.  There had to be specific things that he wanted.

I remember many friends in America said that they were “doing” what was commanded by “loving” and actually did nothing other than go to work (work not, eat not) and seek pleasure (love).

Possibly constitutialist will have a list hidden away??  

“LOVE” is an all inclusive “cop out” to live for self, and not know or follow Christ's teachings.  Or did he have any? And actually LOVE wasn't Christ's idea, he was copying what was written in:

Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

The Professor

[kerwin]

David The Professor,

It is true that the ignorant and corrupt choose to misinterpret the term “love” but compassion for your fellow man and obedience to God are important components of godly love.  If your love does not have those components then it is empty in the eyes of God.  

If you really love then you will by your loving nature obey all of the Ten Commandments as well as the rest of the righteous commands of the law.  Those laws cover how you should be compassionate to a slave, the beasts of the field, your fellow man and yourself.  You do this from God's point of view and not man’s.  To God doing right is more important than even life for by it eternal life can be gained.

You will not only obey these and more but you will do it voluntarily and not out of a sense of compulsion.

It is a tall order and only those who have received the spirit of righteousness can accomplish it for all things are possible through God.  The spirit can only be gained and lived according to by following all of Jesus’ teachings.

Some may ask which commands in the law are righteous requirements and which are solely righteous laws which served other purposes related to the Twelve Tribes and/or the lands they occupied?  I believe that answer is best given to each by the Spirit of God.

[davidbfun]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 10 2010,23:28)

David The Professor, It is true that the ignorant and corrupt choose to misinterpret the term “love” but compassion for your fellow man and obedience to God are important components of godly love.  If your love does not have those components then it is empty in the eyes of God.   If you really love then you will by your loving nature obey all of the Ten Commandments as well as the rest of the righteous commands of the law.  Those laws cover how you should be compassionate to a slave, the beasts of the field, your fellow man and yourself.  You do this from God's point of view and not man’s.  To God doing right is more important than even life for by it eternal life can be gained. You will not only obey these and more but you will do it voluntarily and not out of a sense of compulsion. It is a tall order and only those who have received the spirit of righteousness can accomplish it for all things are possible through God.  The spirit can only be gained and lived according to by following all of Jesus’ teachings. Some may ask which commands in the law are righteous requirements and which are solely righteous laws which served other purposes related to the Twelve Tribes and/or the lands they occupied?  I believe that answer is best given to each by the Spirit of God.

Hi Kerwin,

The task: What did Jesus “command”?

What commandments did Jesus leave us with?

Thanks,

[Ed J]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 07 2010,04:25)

There have been threads regarding the 10 Commandments: They are NOT God's Commandments, sorry to say; they were ordained by the angels. Jesus said that God wanted LOVE to be understood thru these guidelines of which the point was apparently missed; but the lawyer agreed with the intent of God. Jesus taught many things for us to do and the purpose of this thread is to find the “positive” do's in the Scripture and highlight them. I'll begin with the most obvious; Jesus' command before ascending into Heaven. Matthew 28:19-20  Go therefore and make “disciples” of all the nations, “baptizing” them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, (20) “teaching” them to observe all that I “commanded” you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Here is the beginning list: 1-Make Disciples 2-Baptize 3-Teach; Others to do what Jesus “commanded” The task:  What did Jesus “command”? Grace, Peace and Joy in this endeavor. The Professor

Hi David,

Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai,
two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. (Exodus 20:1-26)

Luke 18:18-20 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not
steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor thy father and thy mother.

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

David The Professor,

I actually prefer to state “teachings” instead of “commandments” though both are correct. I prefer “teaching” because it stresses Jesus in his role of Teacher as opposed to “commandment” which stresses his roll of King. That is my preference because it serves my purpose in what I am about to explain.

Jesus teaches us how to obtain and live by the spirit of holiness. He thus commands us to believe in God and to believe that he, Jesus is the one God appointed King over everything in heaven and earth.

If you believe those two things then you will believe or come to believe all of the promises and prophesies that Jesus made. You will also believe everything Jesus teaches is true. I cannot go into details on these in this short post which is just a quick summery.

Peter demonstrated belief when he lowered the nets to fish once more even after a grueling and fruitless day because Jesus told him to do so. His faith was compensated for with a catch of fish so large that he and his fellow fishermen had trouble hauling it in.

Jesus taught us what to believe and like Peter we must believe it all and that belief will bear fruit in our actions. Among those teachings is that our righteousness must exceed that of the Pharisees, who were righteous on the outside, and that our righteousness must be from the inside out.

I believe everything I tried to cover is summarized with these few words from the Gospel of Matthew

Matthew 28:18-20(NIV) reads:

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Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

[942767]

Hi Professor:

Perhaps the following will help:

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MATTHEW 5 1And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: 2And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying, 3Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 4Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. 5Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. 6Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. 7Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. 8Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. 9Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. 10Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. 13Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. 14Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. 15Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. 17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. 21Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 23Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. 25Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. 26Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing. 27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. 29And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 31It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: 32But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. 33Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: 34But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: 35Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil. 38Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also. 41And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 42Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. 43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. 46For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. MATTHEW 6 1Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. 2Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 3But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: 4That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. 5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. 7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. 9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11Give us this day our daily bread. 12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. 14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15But if y e forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. 16Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 17But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face; 18That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly. 19Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: 20But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: 21For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. 22The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. 23But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness! 24No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. 25Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? 26Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? 27Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? 28And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 29And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? 31Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. 34Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof. MATTHEW 7 1Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. 6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. 7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 9Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? 10Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? 12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. 13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. 28And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine MATTHEW 25 31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

And of course, we as a church are to share the gospel with whomever will hear.

Love in Christ,
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