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Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 14 2010,15:45) Lizards, chickens ,Ants, Spiders, Frogs all eat roaches They eat other bugs as well. Of what benefit are roaches if these creatures have plenty of other fodder to choose from?
Quote Do you see how ignorant you are about some of the most basic things yet you try to discredit the Greatest of all i.e. GOD By the way, ants and beetles eat fleas.
Again, these creatures have other food to choose from that are no so much of a pest. Fleas can spread disease, as they did with the bubonic plague.
Can you give a good use for fleas then? It has to be a niche that only a flea can fill.
Quote So much for your vast knowledge of the animal kingdom. By the way Kejonn God is real too.
As I have shown, creatures that eat fleas and roaches have an abundance of other food to choose from, so you need to show how fleas and roaches are useful.Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 14 2010,15:53) The appendix has been shown to be part of the lymph system. Sorry you lose the prize again. Sorry, you lose. To say it is part of some system does not mean it has a use. The appendix has no known modern use, and lack of one is not harmful. However, it can burst and kill a person. My brother's burst and he almost died, my went bad and had to be removed. It is of no use to the body.
Try again.
Quote The coccygeus muscle helps to support the posterior organs of the pelvic floor, especially during blocked forced expiration, as in elimination. Sorry you lose another prize. I said nothing of any muscle. I said “tailbone”. It is a left over remnant of a prior species that humans were a part of. It has no use in modern humans, and can be broken.
Try again.
Quote Without the coccyx and its attached muscle system, humans would need a radically different support system for their internal organs which would require numerous design changes in the human posterior Concerning the coccyx and its importance, Allford concluded that: “The posterior surfaces [of the coccyx] serve as attachments for the gluteus maximus muscle and the sphincter and externus muscles. The gluteus maximus muscle is essential for defecation and labor during childbirth. The sphincter ani externus muscle is needed to keep the anal canal and orifice closed. These are obviously very important functions. The interior surfaces of the coccygeal vertebrae also serve as important attachments for muscles that aid in the containment of feces within the rectum . . . [as well as control of] defecation, and the expulsion of the fetus during labor. For these important reasons, the coccyx can never be classified as a rudimentary or vestigial rudiment of our ancestors. Aliford (1978:42)
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/tailbone.htmlOf course I know your mind went blank while reading this because of the Atheists Disease
The muscles do not attach to the tip of the tailbone that can be broken easily as it extends out. That part is not necessary in humans, it is leftover from the species we cam from.What about male nipples, wisdom teeth, the ability to raise our fur?
Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 14 2010,16:36) Even though we see a cockroach and just want to kill it, examined under a microscope – its actually quite amazing- could we create something like that? Just because something boggles the human mind does not mean it was designed. You are getting close to employing circular reasoning.
Quote All we have come up with is kids toys/robots with batteries which serve no purpose and eventually break. In other words a whole lot of junk. Ants see us, smell us and bite us maybe true but can they understand us or are we just to them a big dangerous happening which they have no understanding of- and only instictivly know to run or bite. If you shake the jam jar they will run, we run from an earthquake.
much like we see the heavens and have really no idea – though we think we do- but when does heaven end and what is out there. Beyond what we can see.
We are just a dot in the galaxy. Yet we think were big. Just like the ant does.
But again, just because we do not understand something does not mean some god is out there. The ant does not understand us, but he can see us. Can you see your god? And I don't mean special pleading about the universe, I mean the actual god.Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 15 2010,09:14) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 14 2010,21:46) karmarie Quote What makes you think that design every step of the way ends with manmade things?
I don’t think that. There are other species that design things too. The point is that we knew already that your object of choice was a designed one. It is wrong to claim that the universe is designed because a washing machine is.Stuart
Hi Stuart,If you see a bird's nest, with no bird around, how can Science prove or dis-prove it was designed?
What test can you do to the nest to prove the bird made it?How can Science PROVE the Creation of the “Universe”; except by it's order!
Your belief in order without a maker is Weak indeed!A little more interesting for you; Stuart?
Ed J
Quote If you see a bird's nest, with no bird around, how can Science prove or dis-prove it was designed?
What test can you do to the nest to prove the bird made it?Excellent!!!
Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 15 2010,09:36) Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 15 2010,08:04) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 14 2010,14:56) Wow! Love the ant in the house thing. 
I love these inaccurate analogies. An ant can see us, smell us, and bite us. We cannot see, hear, smell, or otherwise sense any gods outside of the imagination.
Even though we see a cockroach and just want to kill it, examined under a microscope – its actually quite amazing- could we create something like that?
All we have come up with is kids toys/robots with batteries which serve no purpose and eventually break. In other words a whole lot of junk.Ants see us, smell us and bite us maybe true but can they understand us or are we just to them a big dangerous happening which they have no understanding of- and only instictivly know to run or bite. If you shake the jam jar they will run, we run from an earthquake.
much like we see the heavens and have really no idea – though we think we do- but when does heaven end and what is out there. Beyond what we can see.
We are just a dot in the galaxy. Yet we think were big. Just like the ant does.
Whew!!! how true!Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 15 2010,13:35) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 14 2010,16:36) Even though we see a cockroach and just want to kill it, examined under a microscope – its actually quite amazing- could we create something like that? Just because something boggles the human mind does not mean it was designed. You are getting close to employing circular reasoning.
Quote All we have come up with is kids toys/robots with batteries which serve no purpose and eventually break. In other words a whole lot of junk. Ants see us, smell us and bite us maybe true but can they understand us or are we just to them a big dangerous happening which they have no understanding of- and only instictivly know to run or bite. If you shake the jam jar they will run, we run from an earthquake.
much like we see the heavens and have really no idea – though we think we do- but when does heaven end and what is out there. Beyond what we can see.
We are just a dot in the galaxy. Yet we think were big. Just like the ant does.
But again, just because we do not understand something does not mean some god is out there. The ant does not understand us, but he can see us. Can you see your god? And I don't mean special pleading about the universe, I mean the actual god.
When you say the ant can see us, what do you mean?How can an ant determine the difference between Human and tree or something else? Your ignorance is showing and quite clear.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 14 2010,20:44) When you say the ant can see us, what do you mean? How can an ant determine the difference between Human and tree or something else? Your ignorance is showing and quite clear.
*sigh*You are certainly grasping at this point.
An ant sees a tree. An ant sees a human. Both can be sensed by the ant. The same cannot be said for any gods!
Really, you call me ignorant and yet he simply fail to see the difference.
Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 15 2010,13:14) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 14 2010,15:45) Lizards, chickens ,Ants, Spiders, Frogs all eat roaches They eat other bugs as well. Of what benefit are roaches if these creatures have plenty of other fodder to choose from?
Quote Do you see how ignorant you are about some of the most basic things yet you try to discredit the Greatest of all i.e. GOD By the way, ants and beetles eat fleas.
Again, these creatures have other food to choose from that are no so much of a pest. Fleas can spread disease, as they did with the bubonic plague.
Can you give a good use for fleas then? It has to be a niche that only a flea can fill.
Quote So much for your vast knowledge of the animal kingdom. By the way Kejonn God is real too.
As I have shown, creatures that eat fleas and roaches have an abundance of other food to choose from, so you need to show how fleas and roaches are useful.
They're not allowed variety like we are?Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 15 2010,13:38) Quote If you see a bird's nest, with no bird around, how can Science prove or dis-prove it was designed?
What test can you do to the nest to prove the bird made it?Excellent!!!
Why 'excellent'?Stuart
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 15 2010,13:44) When you say the ant can see us, what do you mean? How can an ant determine the difference between Human and tree or something else? Your ignorance is showing and quite clear.
You are an expert on ant perception, yes?At RD.net they might have asked you:
Do you understand anything at all of what we are saying?
Stuart
Ed
Quote If you see a bird's nest, with no bird around, how can Science prove or dis-prove it was designed?
What test can you do to the nest to prove the bird made it?
You cannot prove anything in science. You can make a testable hypothesis, which in this case would be “I think some kind of bird built this nest”. The only experiment you could do then would be to keep observing until you eventually saw a bird building such a nest, which you would of course, eventually.Quote How can Science PROVE the Creation of the “Universe”; except by it's order!
Huh?Quote Your belief in order without a maker is Weak indeed!
You have not defined the word ‘order’.No creator is required to explain the efficacy of modern antibiotics. No creator is required to explain the evolution of the universe. You know that antibiotics almost always work. They are far from weak. Why do you reject as weak the explanations for the universe which are developed by the same methods as our knowledge of antibiotics?
Now tell me the scientific theory of the divine creation, complete with supporting evidence, falsification criteria and predictions. I don’t think we will find the standard scientific model to be weak when set aside your description and explanation.
Quote A little more interesting for you; Stuart?
Not really. You cannot tell me the criterion for ‘designed’. I’ll lay money you can’t give me a proper scientific theory of divine creation, either.Stuart
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 15 2010,08:53) The appendix has been shown to be part of the lymph system. Sorry you lose the prize again. The coccygeus muscle helps to support the posterior organs of the pelvic floor, especially during blocked forced expiration, as in elimination. Sorry you lose another prize.
As they would have told you over there at RD.net:Is that what this is all about for you? Is this all a game? This approach smashes out any chance of learning anything from others. The best way any of us can learn from each other, is to be willing to learn from each other. Free exchange of ideas cultivates the global landscape. Why some people approach this as a game, a fight, or a battle, is beyond me.
(Ignore the answers that have just proved you wrong) “here is a new question” “I win, you are getting desperate”
In regards to your mention of the coccygeus muscle, really this applies:
Bodhi, you truly are … the most dishonest poster I have ever had the misfortune to encounter.
Stuart
Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 15 2010,02:01) They're not allowed variety like we are?
Sure why not? But couldn't these gods create foods that were less of a pest for these critters? As I've said, fleas can spread disease. They also cause itching when they feed off of their host. I realize that the fleas need to eat as well to survive and be part of the food chain, but your god could have removed the nastier parts if he was such a good god.Or was he simply a poor designer?
Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 15 2010,13:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 14 2010,15:53) The appendix has been shown to be part of the lymph system. Sorry you lose the prize again. Sorry, you lose. To say it is part of some system does not mean it has a use. The appendix has no known modern use, and lack of one is not harmful. However, it can burst and kill a person. My brother's burst and he almost died, my went bad and had to be removed. It is of no use to the body.
Try again.
Quote The coccygeus muscle helps to support the posterior organs of the pelvic floor, especially during blocked forced expiration, as in elimination. Sorry you lose another prize. I said nothing of any muscle. I said “tailbone”. It is a left over remnant of a prior species that humans were a part of. It has no use in modern humans, and can be broken.
Try again.
Quote Without the coccyx and its attached muscle system, humans would need a radically different support system for their internal organs which would require numerous design changes in the human posterior Concerning the coccyx and its importance, Allford concluded that: “The posterior surfaces [of the coccyx] serve as attachments for the gluteus maximus muscle and the sphincter and externus muscles. The gluteus maximus muscle is essential for defecation and labor during childbirth. The sphincter ani externus muscle is needed to keep the anal canal and orifice closed. These are obviously very important functions. The interior surfaces of the coccygeal vertebrae also serve as important attachments for muscles that aid in the containment of feces within the rectum . . . [as well as control of] defecation, and the expulsion of the fetus during labor. For these important reasons, the coccyx can never be classified as a rudimentary or vestigial rudiment of our ancestors. Aliford (1978:42)
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/tailbone.htmlOf course I know your mind went blank while reading this because of the Atheists Disease
The muscles do not attach to the tip of the tailbone that can be broken easily as it extends out. That part is not necessary in humans, it is leftover from the species we cam from.What about male nipples, wisdom teeth, the ability to raise our fur?
http://health.ezineseeker.com/the-secret-of-the-appendix-revealed-13e4ca99a3.htmlThe Secret of the Appendix revealed
All throughout history, most medical professionals have believed that the appendix had little to no purpose. Recent studies have found that there is actually a purpose to this part of the body!
Conclusive evidence indicates that this part of the body protects us from potential germs that can have a negative impact on the body. In addition to this, it has been discovered that the appendix works to protect germs that are actually considered to be positive and productive for our health. The evidence that surrounds the studies that conclude that the appendix is very beneficial to the body states that the bacteria that is in the appendix is considered to be “good” and actually works to supplement and benefit the natural digestion process.
The appendix is an organ in the body that has never really been related to any type of function in the body. It is actually located in the area where the large intestines work to connect and meet with the small intestines. It sort of resembles a pouch that can be as small as a little less than two inches, or just as long as a little over four inches. While doctors and other types of medical professionals have found small traces of tissue in the appendix that are directly related to immune health, it is only recently that the discovery that this organ may prove to be more of a necessity to the body than once believed.
When food travels in the digestive system, there are small substances that are referred to as “microbes” that assist in actually breaking the food down and distributing nutrients as appropriate in other areas of the body. It is now believed that these microbes are able to function according to the bacterium that resides in the appendix. This bacterium allows the microbes to be healthy and function appropriately. If these turn “bad”, there will often be complications when it comes to properly breaking down food that is consumed and distributing nutrients throughout the rest of the body. Furthermore, it will result in toxins accumulating in the body and this can cause many health problems.
To read the entire article and further get rid of your ignorance click here http://health.ezineseeker.com/the-sec….a3.html
Quote (Stu @ Feb. 15 2010,20:00) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 15 2010,08:53) The appendix has been shown to be part of the lymph system. Sorry you lose the prize again. The coccygeus muscle helps to support the posterior organs of the pelvic floor, especially during blocked forced expiration, as in elimination. Sorry you lose another prize.
As they would have told you over there at RD.net:Is that what this is all about for you? Is this all a game? This approach smashes out any chance of learning anything from others. The best way any of us can learn from each other, is to be willing to learn from each other. Free exchange of ideas cultivates the global landscape. Why some people approach this as a game, a fight, or a battle, is beyond me.
(Ignore the answers that have just proved you wrong) “here is a new question” “I win, you are getting desperate”
In regards to your mention of the coccygeus muscle, really this applies:
Bodhi, you truly are … the most dishonest poster I have ever had the misfortune to encounter.
Stuart
To the coccyx, very important muscles are attached. Muscles that protect the entire back when a person falls on his behind, for instance (because they work as absorbers to the pressure/waves from falling). So really, coccyx does have a purpos. It'd be different if no muscle or nerve was attached to it, then one could talk about uselessness.You lose again.
BTW, realize that when some one says “You lose again” it may be for the purpose of playfulness in the argument and not anger.
Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 16 2010,00:32) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 15 2010,02:01) They're not allowed variety like we are?
Sure why not? But couldn't these gods create foods that were less of a pest for these critters? As I've said, fleas can spread disease. They also cause itching when they feed off of their host. I realize that the fleas need to eat as well to survive and be part of the food chain, but your god could have removed the nastier parts if he was such a good god.Or was he simply a poor designer?
And we're not a pest to all the animals insects and fish?
Look what the Japanese do to the Whales, look at all the polution we humans have caused and the damage to the planet which we share with them. Etc. Flies and fleas are nothing in comparison! If anything is going to completly destroy the planet its us. Not them.Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 15 2010,12:29) http://health.ezineseeker.com/the-secret-of-the-appendix-revealed-13e4ca99a3.html The Secret of the Appendix revealed
All throughout history, most medical professionals have believed that the appendix had little to no purpose. Recent studies have found that there is actually a purpose to this part of the body!
Conclusive evidence indicates that this part of the body protects us from potential germs that can have a negative impact on the body. In addition to this, it has been discovered that the appendix works to protect germs that are actually considered to be positive and productive for our health. The evidence that surrounds the studies that conclude that the appendix is very beneficial to the body states that the bacteria that is in the appendix is considered to be “good” and actually works to supplement and benefit the natural digestion process.
The appendix is an organ in the body that has never really been related to any type of function in the body. It is actually located in the area where the large intestines work to connect and meet with the small intestines. It sort of resembles a pouch that can be as small as a little less than two inches, or just as long as a little over four inches. While doctors and other types of medical professionals have found small traces of tissue in the appendix that are directly related to immune health, it is only recently that the discovery that this organ may prove to be more of a necessity to the body than once believed.
When food travels in the digestive system, there are small substances that are referred to as “microbes” that assist in actually breaking the food down and distributing nutrients as appropriate in other areas of the body. It is now believed that these microbes are able to function according to the bacterium that resides in the appendix. This bacterium allows the microbes to be healthy and function appropriately. If these turn “bad”, there will often be complications when it comes to properly breaking down food that is consumed and distributing nutrients throughout the rest of the body. Furthermore, it will result in toxins accumulating in the body and this can cause many health problems.
To read the entire article and further get rid of your ignorance click here http://health.ezineseeker.com/the-sec….a3.html
So if the appendix has a beneficial use, its now part of the “design” of your god? But let's weight the benefits vs. the detriments.* Might help in protecting the body from germs, but the body can function fine without it
* Its presence in the body can be detrimental if it fails, causing sickness or death.IOW, the danger of having it outweighs the supposed benefits. As I already stated, my brother almost lost his life when his appendix burst. I endured a full day of extreme nausea and pain until mine was removed at the age of 17. I am now 42 and have not noted a decline in my health for it not being present.
It seems your god put a minimally useful organ in our bodies that can kill us when it fails.
Way to go God!
Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 15 2010,14:45) Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 16 2010,00:32) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 15 2010,02:01) They're not allowed variety like we are?
Sure why not? But couldn't these gods create foods that were less of a pest for these critters? As I've said, fleas can spread disease. They also cause itching when they feed off of their host. I realize that the fleas need to eat as well to survive and be part of the food chain, but your god could have removed the nastier parts if he was such a good god.Or was he simply a poor designer?
And we're not a pest to all the animals insects and fish?
Look what the Japanese do to the Whales, look at all the polution we humans have caused and the damage to the planet which we share with them. Etc. Flies and fleas are nothing in comparison! If anything is going to completly destroy the planet its us. Not them.
These are actions that humans have taken not out of necessity, but choice. Why bother comparing them?Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 16 2010,08:22) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 15 2010,14:45) Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 16 2010,00:32) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 15 2010,02:01) They're not allowed variety like we are?
Sure why not? But couldn't these gods create foods that were less of a pest for these critters? As I've said, fleas can spread disease. They also cause itching when they feed off of their host. I realize that the fleas need to eat as well to survive and be part of the food chain, but your god could have removed the nastier parts if he was such a good god.Or was he simply a poor designer?
And we're not a pest to all the animals insects and fish?
Look what the Japanese do to the Whales, look at all the polution we humans have caused and the damage to the planet which we share with them. Etc. Flies and fleas are nothing in comparison! If anything is going to completly destroy the planet its us. Not them.
These are actions that humans have taken not out of necessity, but choice. Why bother comparing them?
Yeah so- animals (and insects) do things out of nessesity- we do things out of choiceThis is why we are different, we have choice, we are more intellegent.
Just like I now have a choice to go have a coffee- and a smoke, which are both bad for me. But thats my choice.
Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 16 2010,08:20) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 15 2010,12:29) http://health.ezineseeker.com/the-secret-of-the-appendix-revealed-13e4ca99a3.html The Secret of the Appendix revealed
All throughout history, most medical professionals have believed that the appendix had little to no purpose. Recent studies have found that there is actually a purpose to this part of the body!
Conclusive evidence indicates that this part of the body protects us from potential germs that can have a negative impact on the body. In addition to this, it has been discovered that the appendix works to protect germs that are actually considered to be positive and productive for our health. The evidence that surrounds the studies that conclude that the appendix is very beneficial to the body states that the bacteria that is in the appendix is considered to be “good” and actually works to supplement and benefit the natural digestion process.
The appendix is an organ in the body that has never really been related to any type of function in the body. It is actually located in the area where the large intestines work to connect and meet with the small intestines. It sort of resembles a pouch that can be as small as a little less than two inches, or just as long as a little over four inches. While doctors and other types of medical professionals have found small traces of tissue in the appendix that are directly related to immune health, it is only recently that the discovery that this organ may prove to be more of a necessity to the body than once believed.
When food travels in the digestive system, there are small substances that are referred to as “microbes” that assist in actually breaking the food down and distributing nutrients as appropriate in other areas of the body. It is now believed that these microbes are able to function according to the bacterium that resides in the appendix. This bacterium allows the microbes to be healthy and function appropriately. If these turn “bad”, there will often be complications when it comes to properly breaking down food that is consumed and distributing nutrients throughout the rest of the body. Furthermore, it will result in toxins accumulating in the body and this can cause many health problems.
To read the entire article and further get rid of your ignorance click here http://health.ezineseeker.com/the-sec….a3.html
So if the appendix has a beneficial use, its now part of the “design” of your god? But let's weight the benefits vs. the detriments.* Might help in protecting the body from germs, but the body can function fine without it
* Its presence in the body can be detrimental if it fails, causing sickness or death.IOW, the danger of having it outweighs the supposed benefits. As I already stated, my brother almost lost his life when his appendix burst. I endured a full day of extreme nausea and pain until mine was removed at the age of 17. I am now 42 and have not noted a decline in my health for it not being present.
It seems your god put a minimally useful organ in our bodies that can kill us when it fails.
Way to go God!
Why didn't you admit that you were wrong? I'll tell you why it's the Atheists Disease.You can also take out a bad kidney, lung, arm , leg, eye…etc and have a good life so your logic is foolish. People also have Gastric by-pass but does that mean the stomach is vestigial, have you no sense?
People can live without the pancreas, Gall bladder, spleen…etc. Do you have not common sense are all these things useless?
The Fact is God has awesomely made the Human Body with all sorts of systems and back up systems.
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