Christians and muslims believe the same thing

[terraricca]

stu

look at my post; Posted: July 01 2011,14:06

[Stu]

You posted this:

[box]why do you answer No,would i understand than all you know did not change since you are 7 years old ?

so ,your NO will be totally not true in math,i always have learn if I save one dollars a day i will have 365 at the end of a year,if i start with 365 dollars and spend one dollars a day I will end up with nothing left at the end of a year.

well in all fields this is why we go to the moon and have TV,and cars,and so we or some of us have stopped eating with there hands and clean there premises of living quarters,to say the least,

I did not quote his words to mean more to what he says;and that all things are meaningless ,
the reason i stated this is that you should agree ,because only men can come to that understanding no other can.[/box]
This contains one question mark, at the end of the first line. The question to which I previously answered no was “and so may change like it at change in the past 100 years,?” which is not grammatical, but I assume means you are suggesting that the kinds of changes in understanding that happened in the past 100 years should be expected to continue in the same way in the future. That is why I wrote no, because I don’t think the same rate or kind of change will happen given the nature of the discoveries, for example atomic structure and quantum theory tell us the kinds of things to expect in the future. No guarantees of course, but it seems to be working out that way.

So then, you replied “why do you answer No,would i understand than all you know did not change since you are 7 years old ?”. So now it looks like you meant to ask me whether what I know has changed since I was young.

So I am really left in the dark as to what you DO mean.

As for the other three statements in that post, I don’t know what you are driving at in the second one. What are you trying to say with that analogy? Then you went on about space travel and domestic arrangements. Again, why? In the third, you finish with “Only men can come to that understanding no other can.” Understanding of what?

Sorry but I feel you are just being obscure. What on earth are you talking about?

Stuart

[Stu]

Attempt two:

You posted this:

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why do you answer No,would i understand than all you know did not change since you are 7 years old ? so ,your NO will be totally not true in math,i always have learn if I save one dollars a day i will have 365 at the end of a year,if i start with 365 dollars and spend one dollars a day I will end up with nothing left at the end of a year. well in all fields this is why we go to the moon and have TV,and cars,and so we or some of us have stopped eating with there hands and clean there premises of living quarters,to say the least, I did not quote his words to mean more to what he says;and that all things are meaningless , the reason i stated this is that you should agree ,because only men can come to that understanding no other can.

This contains one question mark, at the end of the first line. The question to which I previously answered no was “and so may change like it at change in the past 100 years,?” which is not grammatical, but I assume means you are suggesting that the kinds of changes in understanding that happened in the past 100 years should be expected to continue in the same way in the future. That is why I wrote no, because I don’t think the same rate or kind of change will happen given the nature of the discoveries, for example atomic structure and quantum theory tell us the kinds of things to expect in the future. No guarantees of course, but it seems to be working out that way.

So then, you replied “why do you answer No,would i understand than all you know did not change since you are 7 years old ?”. So now it looks like you meant to ask me whether what I know has changed since I was young.

So I am really left in the dark as to what you DO mean.

As for the other three statements in that post, I don’t know what you are driving at in the second one. What are you trying to say with that analogy? Then you went on about space travel and domestic arrangements. Again, why? In the third, you finish with “Only men can come to that understanding no other can.” Understanding of what?

Sorry but I feel you are just being obscure. What on earth are you talking about?

Stuart

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Quote (Stu @ July 02 2011,13:40)

Quote (942767 @ July 02 2011,10:41) Hi Stu: Perhaps, this article entitled The Amazing camel and it's creator will convince you that God is a reality: http://www.plaintruth.com/the_pla….or.html Love in Christ, Marty Thank you for your link to material for the abuse of children. I draw your attention to this line as an example: “My Creator gave me specially engineered sand shoes for feet.” Any child of reasonable intelligence who was directed to this site would see straight away that it is saying nothing at all more than the camel has lots of interesting specialist adaptations. It does not actually say what the “creator” did, or how it did it.  It is just adding the word “creator” into the text with no explanation whatever.  In this way we abuse our children's curiosity by telling them things that cannot be substantiated.  It is teaching them to be intellectually lazy and satisfied with knowing nothing of any substance.  You'd have to be suspicious with such a tryhard title as “The Plain Truth:” –  a sure sign that it won't contain any such thing.  It is ironic that you chose to use a site that pretends to discuss “how camels got their humps” when that is the title of one of the Just-So stories by Rudyard Kipling.  Your linked site produces more just-so stories of how camels came to be. But I agree camels are cool.  Are you interested in how they ACTUALLY came to acquire those advantageous adaptations? Stuart

And so, you can believe that all these specialty features of the camel simply came about through evolotion?

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Ed J]

Quote (942767 @ July 03 2011,03:11)

Quote (Stu @ July 02 2011,13:40) Quote (942767 @ July 02 2011,10:41) Hi Stu: Perhaps, this article entitled The Amazing camel and it's creator will convince you that God is a reality: http://www.plaintruth.com/the_pla….or.html Love in Christ, Marty Thank you for your link to material for the abuse of children. I draw your attention to this line as an example: “My Creator gave me specially engineered sand shoes for feet.” Any child of reasonable intelligence who was directed to this site would see straight away that it is saying nothing at all more than the camel has lots of interesting specialist adaptations. It does not actually say what the “creator” did, or how it did it.  It is just adding the word “creator” into the text with no explanation whatever.  In this way we abuse our children's curiosity by telling them things that cannot be substantiated.  It is teaching them to be intellectually lazy and satisfied with knowing nothing of any substance.  You'd have to be suspicious with such a tryhard title as “The Plain Truth:” –  a sure sign that it won't contain any such thing.  It is ironic that you chose to use a site that pretends to discuss “how camels got their humps” when that is the title of one of the Just-So stories by Rudyard Kipling.  Your linked site produces more just-so stories of how camels came to be. But I agree camels are cool.  Are you interested in how they ACTUALLY came to acquire those advantageous adaptations? Stuart And so, you can believe that all these specialty features of the camel simply came about through evolotion? Love in Christ, Marty

Hi Marty,

Stuart believes that the universe created itself,
so does anything he believe surprise you?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[942767]

Quote (Ed J @ July 03 2011,03:37)

Quote (942767 @ July 03 2011,03:11) Quote (Stu @ July 02 2011,13:40) Quote (942767 @ July 02 2011,10:41) Hi Stu: Perhaps, this article entitled The Amazing camel and it's creator will convince you that God is a reality: http://www.plaintruth.com/the_pla….or.html Love in Christ, Marty Thank you for your link to material for the abuse of children. I draw your attention to this line as an example: “My Creator gave me specially engineered sand shoes for feet.” Any child of reasonable intelligence who was directed to this site would see straight away that it is saying nothing at all more than the camel has lots of interesting specialist adaptations. It does not actually say what the “creator” did, or how it did it.  It is just adding the word “creator” into the text with no explanation whatever.  In this way we abuse our children's curiosity by telling them things that cannot be substantiated.  It is teaching them to be intellectually lazy and satisfied with knowing nothing of any substance.  You'd have to be suspicious with such a tryhard title as “The Plain Truth:” –  a sure sign that it won't contain any such thing.  It is ironic that you chose to use a site that pretends to discuss “how camels got their humps” when that is the title of one of the Just-So stories by Rudyard Kipling.  Your linked site produces more just-so stories of how camels came to be. But I agree camels are cool.  Are you interested in how they ACTUALLY came to acquire those advantageous adaptations? Stuart And so, you can believe that all these specialty features of the camel simply came about through evolotion? Love in Christ, Marty Hi Marty, Stuart believes that the universe created itself, so does anything he believe surprise you? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed:

No, it doesn't suprise me, but at least “he thinks that camels are cool”, and so, maybe through a little study, maybe he will be convinced that God is a reality through the camel that God created.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Stu]

Quote (942767 @ July 03 2011,03:11)

And so, you can believe that all these specialty features of the camel simply came about through evolotion? Love in Christ, Marty

My belief is irrelevant. There is no point in either of us wishing it not to be true. There is only one explanation for how a camel got its adaptations.

Stuart

[terraricca]

Quote (Stu @ July 03 2011,17:00)

Quote (942767 @ July 03 2011,03:11) And so, you can believe that all these specialty features of the camel simply came about through evolotion? Love in Christ, Marty My belief is irrelevant.  There is no point in either of us wishing it not to be true.  There is only one explanation for how a camel got its adaptations. Stuart

stu

he was in the north pole before and was fed up with the cold ,so he stuck with the hot ,

I think  and made it up

Pierre  

[terraricca]

Quote (Stu @ July 03 2011,00:27)

Attempt two: You posted this: Quote why do you answer No,would i understand than all you know did not change since you are 7 years old ? so ,your NO will be totally not true in math,i always have learn if I save one dollars a day i will have 365 at the end of a year,if i start with 365 dollars and spend one dollars a day I will end up with nothing left at the end of a year. well in all fields this is why we go to the moon and have TV,and cars,and so we or some of us have stopped eating with there hands and clean there premises of living quarters,to say the least, I did not quote his words to mean more to what he says;and that all things are meaningless , the reason i stated this is that you should agree ,because only men can come to that understanding no other can. This contains one question mark, at the end of the first line.  The question to which I previously answered no was “and so may change like it at change in the past 100 years,?” which is not grammatical, but I assume means you are suggesting that the kinds of changes in understanding that happened in the past 100 years should be expected to continue in the same way in the future.  That is why I wrote no, because I don’t think the same rate or kind of change will happen given the nature of the discoveries, for example atomic structure and quantum theory tell us the kinds of things to expect in the future.  No guarantees of course, but it seems to be working out that way. So then, you replied “why do you answer No,would i understand than all you know did not change since you are 7 years old ?”.  So now it looks like you meant to ask me whether what I know has changed since I was young. So I am really left in the dark as to what you DO mean. As for the other three statements in that post, I don’t know what you are driving at in the second one.  What are you trying to say with that analogy?  Then you went on about space travel and domestic arrangements.  Again, why?  In the third, you finish with “Only men can come to that understanding no other can.”  Understanding of what?   Sorry but I feel you are just being obscure.  What on earth are you talking about? Stuart

stu

I am sorry but it is my best ,and i just realise that my best is your worst ,so my communication skills are not at your level ,and so will not add to the confusion you are suffering ,and so leave it at that ,

i am really sorry,

Pierre

[Stu]

Quote (terraricca @ July 03 2011,10:55)

Quote (Stu @ July 03 2011,17:00) Quote (942767 @ July 03 2011,03:11) And so, you can believe that all these specialty features of the camel simply came about through evolotion? Love in Christ, Marty My belief is irrelevant.  There is no point in either of us wishing it not to be true.  There is only one explanation for how a camel got its adaptations. Stuart stu he was in the north pole before and was fed up with the cold ,so he stuck with the hot , I think  and made it up Pierre

Exactly!

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (terraricca @ July 03 2011,11:00)

stu I am sorry but it is my best ,and i just realise that my best is your worst ,so my communication skills are not at your level ,and so will not add to the confusion you are suffering ,and so leave it at that , i am really sorry, Pierre

I learned something interesting from your post where you referred to your previous post. I looked for that time and then realised that the heavennet server stamps posts with the viewer's local time, so we see two different times on the same post. I matched them with the “06” part of the timestamp.

So, we see the same things in different ways just because of where we live, which might be a cause for us seeing other things in different ways.

Stuart

[princess]

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Mat 23:24 `Blind guides! who are straining out the gnat, and the camel are swallowing.

is the only christian text i could find matching the conversation.,

edj & t,
taking one manificiant creature to Prince Stuart, is of no use, he is bound and determined not to even have one thought of a creator, if this would enter into his thinking he might bring down his own reign, which cannot be the case.
perhaps Stuart has not had a spiritual experience, and if he has, there has been some way science can explain it, some i think he has just set aside for further study.

however, when he asks such child like questions, there simply is no answer.
a very simple one, although this would not be taught in any youth sunday school class would it.

why did the Lord of Hosts command his chosen to dash childrens heads against the stone, would you do as instructed?
is this to deter any more heathens growing up to come up against them in revenge, seems alot like nero, having every child killed under the age of

[terraricca]

Princess

stu,i think is afraid of his own shadow of thinking,

Pierre

[princess]

i disagree T.

[942767]

Quote (Stu @ July 03 2011,10:00)

Quote (942767 @ July 03 2011,03:11) And so, you can believe that all these specialty features of the camel simply came about through evolotion? Love in Christ, Marty My belief is irrelevant.  There is no point in either of us wishing it not to be true.  There is only one explanation for how a camel got its adaptations. Stuart

True. There is “Only ONE Way” that the camel got its adaptations.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

Quote (princess @ July 04 2011,11:40)

i disagree T.

why ?

[Stu]

Quote (942767 @ July 04 2011,05:56)

Quote (Stu @ July 03 2011,10:00) Quote (942767 @ July 03 2011,03:11) And so, you can believe that all these specialty features of the camel simply came about through evolotion? Love in Christ, Marty My belief is irrelevant.  There is no point in either of us wishing it not to be true.  There is only one explanation for how a camel got its adaptations. Stuart True.  There is “Only ONE Way” that the camel got its adaptations. Love in Christ, Marty

That is not what I said, and is exactly the point.

There is only one explanation for how the camel came to have traits that are adaptations of its ancestor's characteristics.

Unless you don't believe life begets life.

Well it is clear that you don't, because your book of talking snakes has four different mechanisms for making humans.

Stuart

[princess]

T,

Can you answer Stuarts question, for you to be commanded would you dash a baby's head off a stone?
Genocide was widely accepted at this time. Modern times not so well accepted. Now, mind you T, allot of people are running around stating they have the spirit of truth, question, the spirit is unity, purity, love. for ones to be so divided then somewhere along the line someone is lying.

Stuart does ask about Uzzah* touching the ark, this one can be explained that he did not trust god, and for his lack of faith he was taken out, which is common teaching in the hebrew text. so the comparison is there and is really no need to explain it further.

he is not afraid, i do believe that when the one ambiguous evidence is provided to him, he will accept and carry on.
most seem to like to force feed him with scriptures and foolish notions. why do you think he knows the christian text, at one time he may have been seeking, and in reading the text is what he could not bear to love someone who does such things. to take the hebrew text to modern times, which is quite amazing how they reflect one another. would be considered non christian. because christianity has changed so much from its earlier form.

that is why it is taught that when someone brings another to jesus, they tell them have them read the arabic testament first, eases them in. then you need to tell them that jesus died for our sins, his blood washes away all of our sins. one man saves mankind only if you believe that this man was the sun of god, now then the question comes in was jesus divine or human or both and just browse the forum and you will find this conversation continuing to this day. then the whole jesus is god thing gets thrown in and the conversation continues on.

so why would Stuart, come to a god that cannot even be explained by the ones that believe. why would you call this mind blind, foolish.

I have studied many religious text and have been taught something from each one, i do not stand firm by any book, saying this is the truth and all its context. however, when one is looking for truth it can be found in the most unusual places.

i have taken on the jewish faith and thought i would go mad, the christian faith lived with a lot of frustration, the muslim faith never had a chance due to its treatment of women, will not take on a faith that has any idols, so that is out. which leaves really nothing left for me to be labeled as. only ones that knows there is something greater then me, that would love to connect, as many today pray for something to come into them and fulfill them, i go to the inside of me, knowing that i had it at one time and would love to have it back again.

so Stuart may seem uneasy to you, he is quite comfortable where he is at. for his beliefs in talking snakes and donkeys, a dead man raising, a god of genocide, blood washing away sins, to him is foolish, and tis why he takes no offense when T8 uses such against him.  

his belief in such matters are just as strong as yours are. i truly believe that there is something in Stuart that sparks now and again, due to his beliefs when these anomalies happen he brushes them under the rug, or places them to the side to be explored another time, or no explanation is achieved then it is forgotten.

i truly love Stuart, he is one of many in my life that will stay with me until i take my last breath, and that we will meet another time. i always hope for the best for him, that he is loved and highly favoured, and his orange coat is kept neat. i will not judge him, i will disagree with him. I do not alway understand his ways, this is everyday for me though, not always understanding people, however does not mean i do not continue to search for peace so my ego, feelings, emotions do not get in the way of who i really am. that is a blessed and highly favoured princess that has been given more than enough grace, more than what was deserving, taught how to love without prejudice, and know that every moment in life is precious.

i would like to say thank you though, your conversation with Stuart brought out a few things that i did not know for instance the sailing, perhaps it is due to i sail also, i find it to be most spiritual and awesome, for the wind is nothing to ignore.

do take care of yourself T, even though it may come a time that your eyes may not see, your ears cannot hear, you have written your belief on your heart, may it bring you peace.

princess

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Quote (Stu @ July 04 2011,16:37)

Quote (942767 @ July 04 2011,05:56) Quote (Stu @ July 03 2011,10:00) Quote (942767 @ July 03 2011,03:11) And so, you can believe that all these specialty features of the camel simply came about through evolotion? Love in Christ, Marty My belief is irrelevant.  There is no point in either of us wishing it not to be true.  There is only one explanation for how a camel got its adaptations. Stuart True.  There is “Only ONE Way” that the camel got its adaptations. Love in Christ, Marty That is not what I said, and is exactly the point. There is only one explanation for how the camel came to have traits that are adaptations of its ancestor's characteristics. Unless you don't believe life begets life. Well it is clear that you don't, because your book of talking snakes has four different mechanisms for making humans. Stuart

Hi Stu:

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

Hi Princess,
I have truly enjoyed reading your comment to me about Stuart, and have understand your sensitivity toward others and this is a great credit to your soul, may you always be like this in the presence of our God,
I also understand what you are saying to me ,and so I will say what was that make me believe in God s word, to be honest ,i have always as far as i can remember believed that there must be a God ,not knowing the one from the bible ,I was in my late teens when I first got my own bible and read it from first cover to last cover, then I read back some of the things that i found had made a impression on the inside of me ,my heart that is, this is the part of the book of Malachi that strike me deep;

Mal 3:7 Ever since the time of your forefathers you have turned away from my decrees and have not kept them. Return to me, and I will return to you,” says the LORD Almighty.
“But you ask, ‘How are we to return?’
Mal 3:8 “Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me.
“But you ask, ‘How do we rob you?’
“In tithes and offerings.
Mal 3:9 You are under a curse—the whole nation of you—because you are robbing me.
Mal 3:10 Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the LORD Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.
Mal 3:11 I will prevent pests from devouring your crops, and the vines in your fields will not cast their fruit,” says the LORD Almighty.
Mal 3:12 “Then all the nations will call you blessed, for yours will be a delightful land,” says the LORD Almighty.
Mal 3:13 “You have said harsh things against me,” says the LORD.
“Yet you ask, ‘What have we said against you?’
Mal 3:14 “You have said, ‘It is futile to serve God. What did we gain by carrying out his requirements and going about like mourners before the LORD Almighty?
Mal 3:15 But now we call the arrogant blessed. Certainly the evildoers prosper, and even those who challenge God escape.’ ”
Mal 3:16 Then those who feared the LORD talked with each other, and the LORD listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the LORD and honored his name.
Mal 3:17 “They will be mine,” says the LORD Almighty, “in the day when I make up my treasured possession. I will spare them, just as in compassion a man spares his son who serves him.
Mal 3:18 And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not.
By those scriptures I realize that there are two sorts of people on the earth one that honor God and some do not, this was something I deeply give my attention to,and start to think ,if I do what God ask me to do ,and not looking at anyone else but what I have to do and practice it then ,in my mind the only possibility in return was the blessing of God, and his protection, and so I put it to work and test it ,and my prayer when to ask God for help to do what he ask from me ,when this happen I was in live already a mess,
Raised on the street ,street fighter, just to be milt abouted,and yes it worked slowly changes came my way ,but so are some problems but I separate what was not mine with what was mine and so stayed attached to my promise to God, as I improved thing seems to working out but my nature catch up with me so in the mean time I was still well attached to my reading my bible ,and time came where I felt that it was time to change friends ,relations, and habits, this was another of those projects that took me a while to master, like five years, but Malachi words where in my mind and heart ,as I was going things where looking good and my live was turning 180 degrees and the miracle came to me answer to my prayer and God give it to me ,he also save my live in many car accidents ,save me from the wicket, and this made me swear to God that I will never leave his word nor his presence, and that I always will look for his will and truth,

And this is now 50 years ago, and I love my God more and more,
I understand that Stuart find it hard to believe that a God who’s son preach LOVE let people do the things they do ,
But I see it and understand it this way; God did not make men pick wickedness over good, men did that to themselves, God did not create wars men did, God only can not let wickedness unpunished,
But being punished by God does not prevent anyone of being resurrected and so know the son, and learn how to be saved,
This world men went ashtray ,men are not running the show it is God if we believe this or not that make no difference to God but only to the individual that make that choice,
I almost commit suicide at 18 years old, razor blade in my hands ,what goes in your mind at that time is crucial, I believe God spirit came to me and stopped me ,
God loves us all but not all of us love him,

It would to long for me to explain many other things ,but we must trust God our creator
Never mind what happen in the world this is not our responsibility, we can not save this world but God can, so leave it to him sure he will do it his way not our way, so many men have tried and failed.
But the question is can we save ourselves and if yes how ? with God and can we help someone else ?if so let s do it.
God is in all of us that is his wisdom his live that he give to us, the will to live, and by this we can pray to him from our inside, if you trust him God will listen, I know.
Princess ,thank you once again for your nice and godly love,
Pierre

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