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Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 02 2010,17:59) TRUE LIFE BEGINS WITH DEATH There is a difference between what the believers, who spend their lives obeying Allah's commands, receive in return for their obedience, and what the unbelievers, who spend their lives chasing their desires, forgetting Allah and the Day of Judgment, receive in return for their rejection. This difference makes itself known at the moment of death. Whereas the angels take the lives of believers nicely, they take the unbelievers' lives in a most agonizing manner. The angels greet the believers and give them the good tidings of Paradise and gently draw out their souls. All believers come face to face with the gateway to the eternal life (death), having prepared for it throughout their lives, knowing its inevitability.
On the other hand, the unbelievers meet death with overwhelming pangs of regret, having tried to evade it all their lives, having known its existence and yet still having ignored its reality. The Guards of Hell reach out for them, striking their faces and their backs, plucking out their souls harshly, which causes much pain, and then send them to a humiliating and burning punishment. One verse says:
If only you could see when the angels take back those who did not believe at their death, beating their faces and their backs: “Taste the punishment of the Burning!” (Surat an-Anfal, 50)
The believers have prepared for this Day all their lives, and have prayed to Allah that He may not disgrace them, as the following verse indicates:
[Those who remember Allah say:] “Our Lord, give us what You promised us through Your Messengers, and do not disgrace us on the Day of Resurrection. You do not break Your promise.” (Surah Al ‘Imran, 194)
The events of the Day of Judgment increase the believers' awe of Allah, but He reveals that He will protect them from the evil of that hard Day, for:
“Truly We fear from our Lord a glowering, calamitous Day.” So Allah has safeguarded them from the evil of that Day and has made them meet with radiance and pure joy. (Surat al-Insan, 10-11)
THE BELIEVERS ON THE DAY OF JUDGMENT
Their Physical Condition
On the Day you see the men and women of the believers, with their light streaming out in front of them, and to their right: “Good news for you today of Gardens with rivers flowing under them, remaining in them timelessly, forever. That is the Great Victory.” (Surat al-Hadid, 12)
The believers will be protected against the fear of this Day, and their faces will be radiant with the joy and trust of receiving their reward. They will be “laughing, rejoicing” (Surah ‘Abasa, 39). The Qur'an describes the different facial expressions of the believers and the unbelievers, as follows:
Those who do good will have the best and more! Neither dust nor debasement will darken their faces. They are the Companions of the Garden, remaining in it timelessly, forever. But as for those who have earned bad actions—a bad action will be repaid with one the like of it. Debasement will darken them. They will have no one to protect them from Allah. It is as if their faces were covered by dark patches of the night. Those are the Companions of the Fire, remaining in it timelessly, forever. (Surah Yunus, 26-27)
The unbelievers will beg the believers for some of the light, although they had fought them while alive. The meaning of this light is illumination, safety, and joy. This light radiating from those who have earned Paradise will not benefit the unbelievers, regardless of how much they want it. As its source is the good deeds done on Earth, the unbelievers, who have no store of such deeds, will not have any of it. For this reason, they will be told to go back to Earth in order to find some. The Qur'an informs us:
That Day the men and women of the hypocrites will say to those who believe: “Wait for us so that we can borrow some of your light.” They will be told: “Go back and look for light!” And a wall will be erected between them with a gate in it, on the inside of which there will be mercy, but before whose exterior lies the punishment. (Surat al-Hadid, 13)
The believers will receive the reward for their efforts to win Allah's good pleasure while alive, and they will be well-pleased with it (Surat al-Ghashiya, 9). Allah will respond to their efforts most generously. That was what they were hoping and expecting, and they will be grateful for it and say: “… Praise be to Allah Who has fulfilled His promise to us and made us the inheritors of this land, letting us settle in the Garden wherever we want…” (Surat az-Zumar, 74).
The Believers' Reward
To those who do not believe, the life of this world is painted in glowing colors and they laugh at those who believe. But on the Day of Resurrection, those who do their duty will be over them. Allah provides for whoever He wills without any reckoning. (Surat al-Baqara, 212)
As we can see from the verses, the believers who fulfilled their duty to their Lord without seeing Him, who waited for the judgment in apprehension will be under His protection. Another verse that gives the good news of the believers being protected on that Day is the following:
… on the Day when Allah will not disgrace the Prophet and those who believed along with him. Their light will stream out ahead of them and on their right. They will say: “Our Lord, perfect our light for us and forgive us! You have power over all things.” (Surat at-Tahrim, 8)
Whereas the unbelievers will be debased as never seen before, the believers will know no fear. They will live the joy and pleasure of receiving what Allah has promised them, and will be given their books in their right hands and wait in peace to be directed to Paradise. Allah responded to them with endless rewards, took their lives pleasantly, and protected them from the Day of Reckoning. Allah reveals that He gives blessings and prosperity to the believers in particular, for:
Say: “Who has forbidden the fine clothing Allah has produced for His servants and the good kinds of provision?” Say: “On the Day of Resurrection such things will be exclusively for those who believed during their life in this world.” In this way We make the Signs clear for people who know. (Surat al-A‘raf, 32)
Once judgment has been passed and Hellfire has been shown to them, the believers will be directed to Paradise:
And those who have heeded their Lord will be driven to the Garden in companies. When they arrive there, finding its gates open, its custodians will say to them: “Peace be upon you! You have done well, so enter it timelessly, forever.” (Surat az-Zumar, 73)
The Qur'an details the rewards that the believers will receive in the eternal life of the Hereafter. One example is given below, as follows:
The heedful will be in Gardens of Delight, savoring what their Lord has given them. Their Lord will safeguard them from the punishment of the Blazing Fire: “Eat and drink with relish for what you did.” They will recline on couches ranged in rows, and We will marry them to dark-eyed maidens. We will unite those who believed with their offspring, who followed them in faith, and We will not undervalue their own actions in any way. Every man is in pledge for what he earned. We will supply them with any kind of fruit and meat that they desire. They will pass around there a drinking cup to one another with no foolish talk and no wrong action in it. Circulating among them there will be youths like hidden pearls. Some of them will come up to others and they will question one another. They will say: “Beforehand we used live in fear among our families. But Allah was gracious to us and safeguarded us from the punishment of the s
earing wind. Beforehand we certainly used to call on Him because He is the All-Good, the Most Merciful.” (Surat at-Tur, 17-28)The Trial of the Two Groups
The trial of the unbelievers, who did not follow Allah's path and pursued either their own desires and cravings or the twisted values or beliefs of their societies, will be very hard indeed. On that Day, there will be no mercy or compassion for them, and no power will be able to end their suffering. The main reason for this is that they did not respect Allah's boundaries, even though they were sent reminders, and that they would not have done so even if they were sent back to Earth. This truth is revealed in the following verses:
If only you could see when they are standing before the Fire and saying: “Oh! If only we could be sent back again, we would not deny the Signs of our Lord and we would be among the believers.” No, it is simply that what they were concealing before has been shown to them; and if they were sent back they would merely return to what they were forbidden to do. Truly they are liars. (Surat al-An‘am, 27-28)
While they are accounting for their deeds, the blazing Hell is awaiting them. They will be sent to Hell in return for what they did while alive, for:
When the Pages are opened up, when the Heaven is peeled away, when the Fire is set ablaze, when the Garden is brought up close: then each self will know what it has done. (Surat at-Takwir, 10-14)
Other verses reveal that the believers will have an easy trial:
O Man! You are toiling laboriously toward your Lord, but meet Him you will! As for him who is given his Book in his right hand, he will be given an easy reckoning and return to his family joyfully. (Surat al-Inshiqaq, 6-9)
The believers who have lived their lives according to the will of our Lord, Who created and guided them onto the right path, will have their sins forgiven by Allah the Most Merciful, Who has revealed that He will forgive sins and turn them into goodness for those who believe and do good. On that Day, our Lord will address the believers, who will already have received what was promised:
“O self at rest and at peace, return to your Lord, well-pleasing and well-pleased! Enter among My servants! Enter My Garden.” (Surat al-Fajr, 27-30)
In this way, they will be saved from the eternal Hellfire by His grace and favor and enter Paradise full of endless reward. Their reply to “enter Paradise” is revealed in the Qur'an:
They will say: “Praise be to Allah, Who has fulfilled His promise to us and made us the inheritors of this land, letting us settle in the Garden wherever we want. How excellent is the wage of those who work!” (Surat az-Zumar, 74)
THE UNBELIEVERS ON THE DAY OF JUDGMENT
Their Physical State
On the Day of Judgment, people will be raised up and re-created. The believers' faces will manifest the light and beauty unique to the faithful, while the unbelievers' faces will be made hideous:
We pursued them with a curse in this world, and on the Day of Resurrection they will be hideous and spurned. (Surat al-Qasas, 42)
Yet many other verses relate that dust, gloom, and darkness also will cover the unbelievers' faces:
That Day some faces will be dust-covered, overcast with gloom. Those are the dissolute unbelievers. (Surah ‘Abasa, 40-42)
On the Day of Resurrection, you will see those who lied against Allah with their faces blackened. Do not the arrogant have a dwelling place in Hell? (Surat az-Zumar, 60)
Blackening the face is a metaphysical phenomenon. Those people who forsook an honorable life, one lived according to Allah's will, for one lived according to their selfish desires acquire only debasement. Thus, the resulting ugliness and dishonor is placed upon them. For this reason, they are driven to Hell in shame:
If We had wanted to, We would have raised him up by them. But he gravitated toward Earth and pursued his whims and base desires. His metaphor is that of a dog: If you chase it away, it lolls out its tongue and pants, and if you leave it alone, it lolls out its tongue and pants. That is the metaphor of those who deny Our Signs. So tell the story so that hopefully they will reflect. (Surat al-A‘raf, 176)
People who allow themselves to be ruled by their selfish desires will be debased in the Hereafter in return for their conceit on Earth. In addition to physical ugliness, they also will be disgraced, for:
Some faces that Day will be humiliated. (Surat al-Ghashiya, 2)
The unbelievers, who disregarded the verses despite the threat, did not practice them, and would not improve themselves, will experience the astonishment of being debased and helpless at an unexpected moment. They deserve this punishment, and so their situation on that Day will be very difficult. Allah will fulfill His promises, for His rule is just. The verses say:
… We will gather them on the Day of Resurrection, flat on their faces, blind, dumb, and deaf. Their shelter will be Hell. Whenever the Blaze dies down, We will increase it for them. (Surat al-Isra', 97)
He will ask: “My Lord, why have you gathered me blind when before I was able to see?” [Allah] will say: “Just as Our Signs came to you and you forgot them, in the same way you too are forgotten today.” (Surah Ta Ha, 125-26)
In the Qur'an, Allah relates that the unbelievers' faces will be made humble by disgrace:
They will emerge from their graves with downcast eyes, like swarming locusts. (Surat al-Qamar, 7)
The expression in their eyes and their fear-evoking appearance will be given to them on that Day. Allah describes them, as follows:
On the Day the Trumpet is blown—and We will gather the evildoers on that Day, blue-eyed [their eyes dimmed by terror and sightless]. (Surah Ta Ha, 102)
The Qur'an also reveals that those who were in conceit over Allah's Messengers and verses will be branded on their noses:
We will brand him on the snout! (Surat al-Qalam, 16)
This is an important source of shame, for calling their noses “snouts” and being branded is enough to reveal their debasement and ugliness in the Hereafter. Whereas the believers will live in the Hereafter in comfortable environments, the unbelievers will begin a life of everlasting disgrace. The Qur'an reveals all of this, as follows:
[Some] faces that Day will be radiant, gazing at their Lord. And [some] faces that Day will be glowering, realizing that a back-breaking blow has fallen. (Surat al-Qiyama, 22-25)
There is no chance of hiding or escaping. Allah reveals that the unbelievers, who are instantly recognizable by their appearance, will be seized by their forelocks and feet and then cast into Hell.
The evildoers will be recognized by their mark and seized by their forelocks and their feet. (Surat ar-Rahman, 41)
In a hadith, our Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, describes the state of the unbelievers in this way:
Anas ibn Malik reported that a person said: “Allah's Messenger, how will the unbelievers be made to assemble on the Day of Resurrection (by crawling) on their faces?” Thereupon he said: “He Who is powerful enough to make them walk on their feet, is powerful enough to make them (crawl) upon their faces on the Day of Resurrection.” (Sahih Muslim)
They Will Not Be Permitted to Speak
The unbelievers will receive their books with great astonishment and regret. Their exclamations of “If only!” and “Alas for us!” show that they will be aware of their remorse's vanity. There is no point in moaning and complaining, as they are said to do in the following verse: “They will exclaim on the Day their faces are rolled over in the Fire: 'If only we had obeyed Allah and obeyed the Messenger!'” (Surat al-Ahzab, 66) Allah will answer their begging, cries, weeping, and screaming for help wit
h the following words:“Today We have forgotten you, as you forgot the meeting of this your Day…” (Surat al-Jathiya, 34)
Despite of all this, they will continue to make demands on Allah: to send them into a realm of nothingness, to allow them to give all they have in ransom to escape the suffering, and even to be sent back to Earth to rectify their wrongs. The Qur'an says:
If only you could see the evildoers hanging their heads in shame before their Lord: “Our Lord, we have seen and we have heard, so send us back again and we will act rightly. Truly we now have certainty.” (Surat as-Sajda, 12)
They will beg to save themselves from the shocking punishment. But Allah reveals that they will never change their old ways and that there is now no way for them to save themselves. The unbelievers have committed the most serious sin: rebellion against Allah, Who created and sustained them. Therefore, they are not permitted to defend themselves. Allah says:
On that Day, woe to the unbelievers! This is the Day on which they will not say a single word, nor will they be allowed to offer any excuses. On that Day, woe to the unbelievers! (Surat al-Mursalat, 34-37)
Allah will not speak with, protect, or purify them as a consequence of what they have done, for:
Those who conceal what Allah has sent down of the Book and sell it cheap take nothing into their bellies but the Fire. On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will not speak to them or purify them. They will have a painful punishment. (Surat al-Baqara, 174)
Those who sell Allah's contract and their own oaths for a paltry price, such people will have no portion in the Hereafter, and on the Day of Resurrection Allah will not speak to them or look at them or purify them. They will have a painful punishment. (Surah Al ‘Imran, 77)
He will say: “Slink away into it and do not speak to Me.” (Surat al-Mu'minun, 108)
People's anger cannot be compared to Allah's anger with the unbelievers. Irrespective of how furious people might get, their vengeance is limited, whereas Allah's is beyond our comprehension. This vengeance culminates in an incredibly painful recompense, one that exceeds the limits of our intellect and imagination. The Qur'an reveals this fact, as follows:
The ones who do not believe will be addressed [as follows]: “Allah's disgust will be even greater than your own disgust is toward one another when you are called upon to believe and [still] do not believe.” (Surah Ghafir, 10)
They Are in Fear
The unbelievers' eternal fear and remorse begins when the angels of death take their lives. None of them can escape this event, because this is their final capture and, after their death, they will pass through the gates of eternity. At that moment, an indescribable fear will grip their whole being, and they will realize that the promised punishment has just began. As Allah says in the Qur'an:
… If you could only see the wrongdoers in the throes of death when the angels are stretching out their hands, saying: “Disgorge your own selves! Today you will be repaid with the punishment of humiliation for saying something other than the truth about Allah, and being arrogant about His Signs.” (Surat al-An‘am, 93)
Having left all their earthly wealth, which has been rendered worthless and meaningless, they will find that none of their treasures or people whom they had counted upon can help them. As the verse says, they will be all alone, for:
You have come to Us all alone, just as We created you at first, leaving behind you everything We bestowed upon you. We do not see your intercessors accompanying you, those whom you claimed were your partners with Allah. The link between you is cut. Those for whom you made such claims have forsaken you. (Surat al-An‘am, 94)
As if their hands and feet are bound, they will be unable to control or guard their bodies, which they had liked so much and thought that they could control and use to fulfill their desires. They just cannot do what they want to. The verses reveal that they will be invited to prostrate before Allah, but that they will not be able to:
On the Day when legs are bared and they are called on to prostrate, they will not be able to do so. Their eyes will be downcast, darkened by debasement, for they were called on to prostrate when they were in full possession of their faculties. (Surat al-Qalam, 42-43)
Allah is the possessor of everything, and everything happens according to His will. The unbelievers will be asked to prostrate so that they will feel remorse and pain for delaying this while alive. These people, who were too vain to prostrate before Allah will not be able to do so now, even though they will want to. They will be captured, called to account, and sent to Hell.
They Feel Remorse
Those who deny the meeting with Allah have lost, so that, when the Hour comes upon them suddenly, they will exclaim: “Alas for what we neglected there!” They will bear their burdens on their backs. How evil is what they bear! (Surat al-An‘am, 31)
People often experience remorse, but even when they can rectify what they have done, for some reason their pride prevents them from doing so. They think that they know best and shut their ears to all advice. But on that Day, they will experience remorse for their behavior. Even though they will plead, full of remorse, to be sent back to Earth to make amends, their request will be refused. They will realize that the wealth, children, partners, traditions, ideologies, and all of the other things they strove for and defended have no value, and that only those deeds done for Allah's good pleasure have true value. But this realization will not benefit them anymore.
Some will try to conceal their remorse because of their pride, as follows:
If every self that did wrong possessed everything on Earth, it would offer it as a ransom. They will confide regret when they see the punishment. Everything will be decided between them justly. They will not be wronged. (Surah Yunus, 54)
Even though they know their guilt, they still try to conceal their remorse. They get exactly what they deserve, for Allah's justice demands it. Allah will separate the believers and the unbelievers on that Day. All that the unbelievers experience on the Day of Judgment is a consequence of preferring Satan's path over Allah's, and something that is truly deserved, for:
Those who perform bad actions will be flung headfirst into the Fire: “Are you being repaid for anything other than what you did?” (Surat an-Naml, 90)
Many factors will bring on this remorse. For example, their meeting with Allah's punishment, being all alone, watching their skins testify against them, being made hideous, sensing the terror of eternal suffering, seeing Hell and, comprehending the damnation that is awaiting them, seeing the false deities they followed blindly and trusted in suddenly disappear, and seeing that Satan, whose path they followed consistently, also has deserted them. The Qur'an recounts what Satan will tell his followers on that Day in the following words:
When the affair is decided, Satan will say: “Allah made you a promise, a promise of truth, and I made you a promise but broke my promise. I had no authority over you, except that I called you and you responded to me. Do not, therefore, blame me, but blame yourselves. I cannot come to your aid, nor you to mine. I reject the way you associated me with Allah before.” The wrongdoers will have a painful punishment. (Surah Ibrahim, 22)
The believers will watch the unbelievers' hopeless situation, whereas the unbelievers will regard the believers from the corner of their eyes, as their heads will be lowered in shame and remorse. This reality is revealed in one verse:
You will see them as they are exposed to it, abject in their abasement, glancing around them furtively. Those who believe
will say: “Truly the losers are those who lose themselves and their families on the Day of Resurrection.” The wrongdoers are in an everlasting punishment. (Surat ash-Shura, 45)The degree of remorse in the Hereafter is far too great to be compared with anything on Earth. There is no return or escape from this remorse, for it is the end of the unbelievers' inevitable and unstoppable breakdown, which they are forced to bear on their shoulders. This devastation and remorse is the consequence of their denial of Allah, Who created them and then offered almost all there is on Earth for their use. This path of denial determined their final destination in the Hereafter: Hell. There, they will experience for eternity every conceivable sorrow, pain, and worry they would rather not have thought about. Allah's retribution will face them with all of its might.
They Bicker between Themselves
Arguing in it with one another, they will say: “By Allah, we were plainly misguided when we equated you with the Lord of all the worlds. It was only the evildoers who misguided us, and now we have no one to intercede for us. We do not have a single loyal friend. If only we could have another chance, then we would be among the believers!” There is certainly a Sign in that, yet most of them are not believers. (Surat ash-Shu‘ara', 96-103)
The unbelievers will meet a suffering of unequalled proportions. They will be extremely angry at their situation and furious with the people who led them away from Allah's path. Their greatest ambitions, such as wealth and position, will have lost all meaning. They will be furious with their leaders, who led them away from His path, and try to distance themselves from them. The dispute between those who led and those who followed is revealed, as follows:
When those who were followed disown those who followed them, and they see the punishment and the connection between them is cut, those who followed will say: “If only we could have another chance, we would disown them just as they have disowned us.” In that way Allah will show them their actions as a cause of anguish and remorse for them. They will never emerge from the Fire. (Surat al-Baqara, 166-67)
They will say on the Day their faces are rolled over in the Fire: “If only we had obeyed Allah and obeyed the Messenger!” And they will say: “Our Lord, we obeyed our masters and great men, and they misguided us from the Way. Our Lord, give them double the punishment and curse them many times over!” (Surat al-Ahzab, 66-68)
Allah points out that such leaders are one of the factors that lead people away from belief in Him. People who are considered superior because of other people's values and not because of Allah's values, have an enormous influence over their followers. People who submit to these leaders are tricked into living according to this world's impermanent values and thus waste their lives. However, unable to recognize their mistakes on Earth, they supported one another in disobedience against Allah and abided by their own creeds. When their error is exposed on this Day, they will begin to blame one another. Regardless of these accusations, neither party will be saved from Hell.
Allah describes such leaders in the following terms:
We made them leaders, summoning to the Fire, and on the Day of Resurrection they will not be helped. We pursued them with a curse in this world… (Surat al-Qasas, 41-42)
He [Pharaoh] will go ahead of his people on the Day of Resurrection and lead them down into the Fire. What an evil watering-hole to be led to! (Surah Hud, 98)
The unbelievers will wish that there was a distance as great as that between East and West between them and the leaders whom they followed. Allah states that:
If someone shuts his eyes to the remembrance of the All-Merciful, We assign him a devil who becomes his bosom friend—they debar them from the path, yet they still think they are guided—so that, when he reaches Us, he says: “If only there was the distance of the two Easts [East and West] between you and me!” What an evil companion! It will not benefit you today, since you did wrong, that you share equally in the punishment. (Surat az-Zukhruf, 36-39)
People will not want to know some of those whom they loved, trusted, or were attached to with desire while alive; they will deny others and condemn the rest. The Qur'an says:
He [Ibrahim] said: “You have adopted idols apart from Allah as tokens of mutual affection in this world. But then on the Day of Resurrection you will reject one another and curse one another. The Fire will be your shelter. You will have no helpers.” (Surat al-‘Ankabut, 25)
The Qur'an relates their ensuing arguments, as follows:
[The custodians of Hell will be told:] “Hurl into Hell every obdurate unbeliever, impeder of good, doubt-causing aggressor who set up another deity together with Allah. Hurl him into the terrible punishment.” His inseparable comrade will say: “Our Lord, I did not make him overstep the limits. He was, in any case, far astray.” He will say: “Do not argue in My presence when I gave you advance warning of the Threat. My Word, once given, is not subject to change, and I do not wrong My servants.” (Surah Qaf, 24-29)
Those who despised the believers' righteous path will be astonished when they do not find the believers beside them on that Day, as described below:
They [the profligate] will say: “How is it that we do not see some men whom we used to count among the worst of people? Did we turn them into figures of fun? Did our eyes disdain to look at them?” All this is certainly true—the bickering of the people of the Fire. (Surah Sad, 62-64)
While they were alive, their disputes with each other never ended and, in fact, they actually darkened their own lives. In reality, they are well aware of the cruelty that they inflicted upon one another. They did not find peace even among those close to them or in their own environment, and yet they would not cease their arguing. Whereas the believers always live in contentment here and in the Hereafter, the unbelievers always live in a state of restlessness and discontent. They will receive pain from all sides, as well as dispute continually with those whom they consider close.
They Are Disgraced
Arrogance toward Allah will bring humiliation. People who do not believe in the Hereafter, deny Allah's evident existence, and live a carefree life will pay a heavy price in return. As they do not consider His punishment probable and so do not think about it, they become Satan's servants by falling for his diversionary tactics and thus waste their lives. Instead of living life as a test, they live it as empty cause. Their arrogance caused them to commit many sins, such as fighting Allah and looking for ways to deny Him. This is no doubt a great sin, one that will lead to great suffering and humiliation in the Hereafter.
Obviously, the unbelievers are wrong. They never inquire into the source of Allah's gifts or how they came by their wealth, and consider it their right to enjoy life's pleasures without remembering and giving thanks to their Creator. But the consequences of such arrogance will be massive. The verses reveal:
On the Day when those who did not believe are exposed to the Fire [it will be said]: “You dissipated the good things you had in your worldly life and enjoyed yourself in it. So today you are being repaid with the punishment of humiliation for being arrogant in the land without any right and for being deviators.” (Surat al-Ahqaf, 20)
Those who spend their lives pursuing the world and never reflect upon the Hereafter will be humiliated on the Day of Judgment and after. Allah reveals this truth in the following verses:
Has news of the Overwhelmer reached you? Some faces on that Day will be downcast, laboring, toiling endlessly. (Surat Ghashiya, 1-3)
Then on the Day of Res
urrection He will disgrace them and ask: “Where are My partner deities, for whose sake you became so hostile?” Those given knowledge will say: “Today there is disgrace and evil for the unbelievers.” (Surat an-Nahl, 27)And on the Day of Resurrection his punishment will be doubled, and he will be humiliated in it timelessly, forever. (Surat al-Furqan, 69)
People who continue their war on Allah with an ugly impudence disregard the Day of Judgment. They live unaware of the plan Allah has devised for them, a plan that is unrivalled. Only small groups of people accepted and then abided by the Messengers' calls. These calls increased other people's unbelief and also increased their burden. In the end, Allah will show the reality of the Hereafter to all people in the most spectacular fashion. And the unbelievers will clearly understand the consequences of Allah's promises. Their lives are not eternal, and their time on Earth has been exhausted. Pleasures and desires have lost their appeal, and the only reality that matters is His judgment. The evil that they did against Allah has been repaid, for He has judged them fit to live forever in suffering and sorrow. On the other hand, the believers' eternal life will be shown to all people with all of its splendor and beauty.
It is discourteous to post screeds of mythology without making a point.The part I found particularly bad was this bit:
Quote TRUE LIFE BEGINS WITH DEATH There is a difference between what the believers, who spend their lives obeying Allah's commands, receive in return for their obedience, and what the unbelievers, who spend their lives chasing their desires, forgetting Allah and the Day of Judgment, receive in return for their rejection. This difference makes itself known at the moment of death. Whereas the angels take the lives of believers nicely, they take the unbelievers' lives in a most agonizing manner. The angels greet the believers and give them the good tidings of Paradise and gently draw out their souls. All believers come face to face with the gateway to the eternal life (death), having prepared for it throughout their lives, knowing its inevitability.
On the other hand, the unbelievers meet death with overwhelming pangs of regret, having tried to evade it all their lives, having known its existence and yet still having ignored its reality. The Guards of Hell reach out for them, striking their faces and their backs, plucking out their souls harshly, which causes much pain, and then send them to a humiliating and burning punishment. One verse says:
If only you could see when the angels take back those who did not believe at their death, beating their faces and their backs: “Taste the punishment of the Burning!” (Surat an-Anfal, 50)
The believers have prepared for this Day all their lives, and have prayed to Allah that He may not disgrace them, as the following verse indicates:
[Those who remember Allah say:] “Our Lord, give us what You promised us through Your Messengers, and do not disgrace us on the Day of Resurrection. You do not break Your promise.” (Surah Al ‘Imran, 194)
The events of the Day of Judgment increase the believers' awe of Allah, but He reveals that He will protect them from the evil of that hard Day, for:
“Truly We fear from our Lord a glowering, calamitous Day.” So Allah has safeguarded them from the evil of that Day and has made them meet with radiance and pure joy. (Surat al-Insan, 10-11)
THE BELIEVERS ON THE DAY OF JUDGMENT
Their Physical Condition
On the Day you see the men and women of the believers, with their light streaming out in front of them, and to their right: “Good news for you today of Gardens with rivers flowing under them, remaining in them timelessly, forever. That is the Great Victory.” (Surat al-Hadid, 12)
The believers will be protected against the fear of this Day, and their faces will be radiant with the joy and trust of receiving their reward. They will be “laughing, rejoicing” (Surah ‘Abasa, 39). The Qur'an describes the different facial expressions of the believers and the unbelievers, as follows:
Those who do good will have the best and more! Neither dust nor debasement will darken their faces. They are the Companions of the Garden, remaining in it timelessly, forever. But as for those who have earned bad actions—a bad action will be repaid with one the like of it. Debasement will darken them. They will have no one to protect them from Allah. It is as if their faces were covered by dark patches of the night. Those are the Companions of the Fire, remaining in it timelessly, forever. (Surah Yunus, 26-27)
The unbelievers will beg the believers for some of the light, although they had fought them while alive. The meaning of this light is illumination, safety, and joy. This light radiating from those who have earned Paradise will not benefit the unbelievers, regardless of how much they want it. As its source is the good deeds done on Earth, the unbelievers, who have no store of such deeds, will not have any of it. For this reason, they will be told to go back to Earth in order to find some. The Qur'an informs us:
That Day the men and women of the hypocrites will say to those who believe: “Wait for us so that we can borrow some of your light.” They will be told: “Go back and look for light!” And a wall will be erected between them with a gate in it, on the inside of which there will be mercy, but before whose exterior lies the punishment. (Surat al-Hadid, 13)
The believers will receive the reward for their efforts to win Allah's good pleasure while alive, and they will be well-pleased with it (Surat al-Ghashiya, 9). Allah will respond to their efforts most generously. That was what they were hoping and expecting, and they will be grateful for it and say: “… Praise be to Allah Who has fulfilled His promise to us and made us the inheritors of this land, letting us settle in the Garden wherever we want…” (Surat az-Zumar, 74).
The Believers' Reward
To those who do not believe, the life of this world is painted in glowing colors and they laugh at those who believe. But on the Day of Resurrection, those who do their duty will be over them. Allah provides for whoever He wills without any reckoning. (Surat al-Baqara, 212)
As we can see from the verses, the believers who fulfilled their duty to their Lord without seeing Him, who waited for the judgment in apprehension will be under His protection. Another verse that gives the good news of the believers being protected on that Day is the following:
… on the Day when Allah will not disgrace the Prophet and those who believed along with him. Their light will stream out ahead of them and on their right. They will say: “Our Lord, perfect our light for us and forgive us! You have power over all things.” (Surat at-Tahrim, 8)
Whereas the unbelievers will be debased as never seen before, the believers will know no fear. They will live the joy and pleasure of receiving what Allah has promised them, and will be given their books in their right hands and wait in peace to be directed to Paradise. Allah responded to them with endless rewards, took their lives pleasantly, and protected them from the Day of Reckoning. Allah reveals that He gives blessings and prosperity to the believers in particular, for:
Say: “Who has forbidden the fine clothing Allah has produced for His servants and the good kinds of provision?” Say: “On the Day of Resurrection such things will be exclusively for those who believed during their life in this
world.” In this way We make the Signs clear for people who know. (Surat al-A‘raf, 32)Once judgment has been passed and Hellfire has been shown to them, the believers will be directed to Paradise:
And those who have heeded their Lord will be driven to the Garden in companies. When they arrive there, finding its gates open, its custodians will say to them: “Peace be upon you! You have done well, so enter it timelessly, forever.” (Surat az-Zumar, 73)
The Qur'an details the rewards that the believers will receive in the eternal life of the Hereafter. One example is given below, as follows:
The heedful will be in Gardens of Delight, savoring what their Lord has given them. Their Lord will safeguard them from the punishment of the Blazing Fire: “Eat and drink with relish for what you did.” They will recline on couches ranged in rows, and We will marry them to dark-eyed maidens. We will unite those who believed with their offspring, who followed them in faith, and We will not undervalue their own actions in any way. Every man is in pledge for what he earned. We will supply them with any kind of fruit and meat that they desire. They will pass around there a drinking cup to one another with no foolish talk and no wrong action in it. Circulating among them there will be youths like hidden pearls. Some of them will come up to others and they will question one another. They will say: “Beforehand we used live in fear among our families. But Allah was gracious to us and safeguarded us from the punishment of the searing wind. Beforehand we certainly used to call on Him because He is the All-Good, the Most Merciful.” (Surat at-Tur, 17-28)
The Trial of the Two Groups
The trial of the unbelievers, who did not follow Allah's path and pursued either their own desires and cravings or the twisted values or beliefs of their societies, will be very hard indeed. On that Day, there will be no mercy or compassion for them, and no power will be able to end their suffering. The main reason for this is that they did not respect Allah's boundaries, even though they were sent reminders, and that they would not have done so even if they were sent back to Earth. This truth is revealed in the following verses:
If only you could see when they are standing before the Fire and saying: “Oh! If only we could be sent back again, we would not deny the Signs of our Lord and we would be among the believers.” No, it is simply that what they were concealing before has been shown to them; and if they were sent back they would merely return to what they were forbidden to do. Truly they are liars. (Surat al-An‘am, 27-28)
While they are accounting for their deeds, the blazing Hell is awaiting them. They will be sent to Hell in return for what they did while alive, for:
When the Pages are opened up, when the Heaven is peeled away, when the Fire is set ablaze, when the Garden is brought up close: then each self will know what it has done. (Surat at-Takwir, 10-14)
Other verses reveal that the believers will have an easy trial:
O Man! You are toiling laboriously toward your Lord, but meet Him you will! As for him who is given his Book in his right hand, he will be given an easy reckoning and return to his family joyfully. (Surat al-Inshiqaq, 6-9)
The believers who have lived their lives according to the will of our Lord, Who created and guided them onto the right path, will have their sins forgiven by Allah the Most Merciful, Who has revealed that He will forgive sins and turn them into goodness for those who believe and do good. On that Day, our Lord will address the believers, who will already have received what was promised:
“O self at rest and at peace, return to your Lord, well-pleasing and well-pleased! Enter among My servants! Enter My Garden.” (Surat al-Fajr, 27-30)
In this way, they will be saved from the eternal Hellfire by His grace and favor and enter Paradise full of endless reward. Their reply to “enter Paradise” is revealed in the Qur'an:
They will say: “Praise be to Allah, Who has fulfilled His promise to us and made us the inheritors of this land, letting us settle in the Garden wherever we want. How excellent is the wage of those who work!” (Surat az-Zumar, 74)
THE UNBELIEVERS ON THE DAY OF JUDGMENT
Their Physical State
On the Day of Judgment, people will be raised up and re-created. The believers' faces will manifest the light and beauty unique to the faithful, while the unbelievers' faces will be made hideous:
We pursued them with a curse in this world, and on the Day of Resurrection they will be hideous and spurned. (Surat al-Qasas, 42)
Yet many other verses relate that dust, gloom, and darkness also will cover the unbelievers' faces:
That Day some faces will be dust-covered, overcast with gloom. Those are the dissolute unbelievers. (Surah ‘Abasa, 40-42)
On the Day of Resurrection, you will see those who lied against Allah with their faces blackened. Do not the arrogant have a dwelling place in Hell? (Surat az-Zumar, 60)
Blackening the face is a metaphysical phenomenon. Those people who forsook an honorable life, one lived according to Allah's will, for one lived according to their selfish desires acquire only debasement. Thus, the resulting ugliness and dishonor is placed upon them. For this reason, they are driven to Hell in shame:
If We had wanted to, We would have raised him up by them. But he gravitated toward Earth and pursued his whims and base desires. His metaphor is that of a dog: If you chase it away, it lolls out its tongue and pants, and if you leave it alone, it lolls out its tongue and pants. That is the metaphor of those who deny Our Signs. So tell the story so that hopefully they will reflect. (Surat al-A‘raf, 176)
People who allow themselves to be ruled by their selfish desires will be debased in the Hereafter in return for their conceit on Earth. In addition to physical ugliness, they also will be disgraced, for:
Some faces that Day will be humiliated. (Surat al-Ghashiya, 2)
The unbelievers, who disregarded the verses despite the threat, did not practice them, and would not improve themselves, will experience the astonishment of being debased and helpless at an unexpected moment. They deserve this punishment, and so their situation on that Day will be very difficult. Allah will fulfill His promises, for His rule is just. The verses say:
… We will gather them on the Day of Resurrection, flat on their faces, blind, dumb, and deaf. Their shelter will be Hell. Whenever the Blaze dies down, We will increase it for them. (Surat al-Isra', 97)
He will ask: “My Lord, why have you gathered me blind when before I was able to see?” [Allah] will say: “Just as Our Signs came to you and you forgot them, in the same way you too are forgotten today.” (Surah Ta Ha, 125-26)
In the Qur'an, Allah relates that the unbelievers' faces will be made humble by disgrace:
They will emerge from their graves with downcast eyes, like swarming locusts. (Surat al-Qamar, 7)
The expression in their eyes and their fear-evoking appearance will be given to them on that Day. Allah describes them, as follows:
On the Day the Trumpet is blown—and We will gather the evildoers on that Day, blue-eyed [their eyes dimmed by terror and sightless]. (Surah Ta Ha, 102)
The Qur'an also reveals that those who were in conceit over Allah's Messengers and verses will be branded on their noses:
We will brand him on the snout! (Surat al-Qalam, 16)
This is an important source of shame, for calling their noses “snouts” and being branded is enough to reveal their debasement and ugliness in the Hereafter. Whereas the believers will live in the Hereafter in comfortable environments, the unbelievers will begin a life of everlasting disgrace. The Qur'an reveals all of this, as follows:
[Some] faces th
at Day will be radiant, gazing at their Lord. And [some] faces that Day will be glowering, realizing that a back-breaking blow has fallen. (Surat al-Qiyama, 22-25)There is no chance of hiding or escaping. Allah reveals that the unbelievers, who are instantly recognizable by their appearance, will be seized by their forelocks and feet and then cast into Hell.
The evildoers will be recognized by their mark and seized by their forelocks and their feet. (Surat ar-Rahman, 41)
In a hadith, our Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, describes the state of the unbelievers in this way:
Anas ibn Malik reported that a person said: “Allah's Messenger, how will the unbelievers be made to assemble on the Day of Resurrection (by crawling) on their faces?” Thereupon he said: “He Who is powerful enough to make them walk on their feet, is powerful enough to make them (crawl) upon their faces on the Day of Resurrection.” (Sahih Muslim)
They Will Not Be Permitted to Speak
The unbelievers will receive their books with great astonishment and regret. Their exclamations of “If only!” and “Alas for us!” show that they will be aware of their remorse's vanity. There is no point in moaning and complaining, as they are said to do in the following verse: “They will exclaim on the Day their faces are rolled over in the Fire: 'If only we had obeyed Allah and obeyed the Messenger!'” (Surat al-Ahzab, 66) Allah will answer their begging, cries, weeping, and screaming for help with the following words:
“Today We have forgotten you, as you forgot the meeting of this your Day…” (Surat al-Jathiya, 34)
Despite of all this, they will continue to make demands on Allah: to send them into a realm of nothingness, to allow them to give all they have in ransom to escape the suffering, and even to be sent back to Earth to rectify their wrongs. The Qur'an says:
If only you could see the evildoers hanging their heads in shame before their Lord: “Our Lord, we have seen and we have heard, so send us back again and we will act rightly. Truly we now have certainty.” (Surat as-Sajda, 12)
They will beg to save themselves from the shocking punishment. But Allah reveals that they will never change their old ways and that there is now no way for them to save themselves. The unbelievers have committed the most serious sin: rebellion against Allah, Who created and sustained them. Therefore, they are not permitted to defend themselves. Allah says:
On that Day, woe to the unbelievers! This is the Day on which they will not say a single word, nor will they be allowed to offer any excuses. On that Day, woe to the unbelievers! (Surat al-Mursalat, 34-37)
Allah will not speak with, protect, or purify them as a consequence of what they have done, for:
Those who conceal what Allah has sent down of the Book and sell it cheap take nothing into their bellies but the Fire. On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will not speak to them or purify them. They will have a painful punishment. (Surat al-Baqara, 174)
Those who sell Allah's contract and their own oaths for a paltry price, such people will have no portion in the Hereafter, and on the Day of Resurrection Allah will not speak to them or look at them or purify them. They will have a painful punishment. (Surah Al ‘Imran, 77)
He will say: “Slink away into it and do not speak to Me.” (Surat al-Mu'minun, 108)
People's anger cannot be compared to Allah's anger with the unbelievers. Irrespective of how furious people might get, their vengeance is limited, whereas Allah's is beyond our comprehension. This vengeance culminates in an incredibly painful recompense, one that exceeds the limits of our intellect and imagination. The Qur'an reveals this fact, as follows:
The ones who do not believe will be addressed [as follows]: “Allah's disgust will be even greater than your own disgust is toward one another when you are called upon to believe and [still] do not believe.” (Surah Ghafir, 10)
They Are in Fear
The unbelievers' eternal fear and remorse begins when the angels of death take their lives. None of them can escape this event, because this is their final capture and, after their death, they will pass through the gates of eternity. At that moment, an indescribable fear will grip their whole being, and they will realize that the promised punishment has just began. As Allah says in the Qur'an:
… If you could only see the wrongdoers in the throes of death when the angels are stretching out their hands, saying: “Disgorge your own selves! Today you will be repaid with the punishment of humiliation for saying something other than the truth about Allah, and being arrogant about His Signs.” (Surat al-An‘am, 93)
Having left all their earthly wealth, which has been rendered worthless and meaningless, they will find that none of their treasures or people whom they had counted upon can help them. As the verse says, they will be all alone, for:
You have come to Us all alone, just as We created you at first, leaving behind you everything We bestowed upon you. We do not see your intercessors accompanying you, those whom you claimed were your partners with Allah. The link between you is cut. Those for whom you made such claims have forsaken you. (Surat al-An‘am, 94)
As if their hands and feet are bound, they will be unable to control or guard their bodies, which they had liked so much and thought that they could control and use to fulfill their desires. They just cannot do what they want to. The verses reveal that they will be invited to prostrate before Allah, but that they will not be able to:
On the Day when legs are bared and they are called on to prostrate, they will not be able to do so. Their eyes will be downcast, darkened by debasement, for they were called on to prostrate when they were in full possession of their faculties. (Surat al-Qalam, 42-43)
Allah is the possessor of everything, and everything happens according to His will. The unbelievers will be asked to prostrate so that they will feel remorse and pain for delaying this while alive. These people, who were too vain to prostrate before Allah will not be able to do so now, even though they will want to. They will be captured, called to account, and sent to Hell.
They Feel Remorse
Those who deny the meeting with Allah have lost, so that, when the Hour comes upon them suddenly, they will exclaim: “Alas for what we neglected there!” They will bear their burdens on their backs. How evil is what they bear! (Surat al-An‘am, 31)
People often experience remorse, but even when they can rectify what they have done, for some reason their pride prevents them from doing so. They think that they know best and shut their ears to all advice. But on that Day, they will experience remorse for their behavior. Even though they will plead, full of remorse, to be sent back to Earth to make amends, their request will be refused. They will realize that the wealth, children, partners, traditions, ideologies, and all of the other things they strove for and defended have no value, and that only those deeds done for Allah's good pleasure have true value. But this realization will not benefit them anymore.
Some will try to conceal their remorse because of their pride, as follows:
If every self that did wrong possessed everything on Earth, it would offer it as a ransom. They will confide regret when they see the punishment. Everything will be decided between them justly. They will not be wronged. (Surah Yunus, 54)
Even though they know their guilt, they still try to conceal their remorse. They get exactly what they deserve, for Allah's justice demands it. Allah will separate the believers and the unbelievers on that Day. All that the unbelievers experience on the Day of Judgment is a consequence of preferring Satan's path over Allah's, and somethin
g that is truly deserved, for:Those who perform bad actions will be flung headfirst into the Fire: “Are you being repaid for anything other than what you did?” (Surat an-Naml, 90)
Many factors will bring on this remorse. For example, their meeting with Allah's punishment, being all alone, watching their skins testify against them, being made hideous, sensing the terror of eternal suffering, seeing Hell and, comprehending the damnation that is awaiting them, seeing the false deities they followed blindly and trusted in suddenly disappear, and seeing that Satan, whose path they followed consistently, also has deserted them. The Qur'an recounts what Satan will tell his followers on that Day in the following words:
When the affair is decided, Satan will say: “Allah made you a promise, a promise of truth, and I made you a promise but broke my promise. I had no authority over you, except that I called you and you responded to me. Do not, therefore, blame me, but blame yourselves. I cannot come to your aid, nor you to mine. I reject the way you associated me with Allah before.” The wrongdoers will have a painful punishment. (Surah Ibrahim, 22)
The believers will watch the unbelievers' hopeless situation, whereas the unbelievers will regard the believers from the corner of their eyes, as their heads will be lowered in shame and remorse. This reality is revealed in one verse:
You will see them as they are exposed to it, abject in their abasement, glancing around them furtively. Those who believe will say: “Truly the losers are those who lose themselves and their families on the Day of Resurrection.” The wrongdoers are in an everlasting punishment. (Surat ash-Shura, 45)
The degree of remorse in the Hereafter is far too great to be compared with anything on Earth. There is no return or escape from this remorse, for it is the end of the unbelievers' inevitable and unstoppable breakdown, which they are forced to bear on their shoulders. This devastation and remorse is the consequence of their denial of Allah, Who created them and then offered almost all there is on Earth for their use. This path of denial determined their final destination in the Hereafter: Hell. There, they will experience for eternity every conceivable sorrow, pain, and worry they would rather not have thought about. Allah's retribution will face them with all of its might.
They Bicker between Themselves
Arguing in it with one another, they will say: “By Allah, we were plainly misguided when we equated you with the Lord of all the worlds. It was only the evildoers who misguided us, and now we have no one to intercede for us. We do not have a single loyal friend. If only we could have another chance, then we would be among the believers!” There is certainly a Sign in that, yet most of them are not believers. (Surat ash-Shu‘ara', 96-103)
The unbelievers will meet a suffering of unequalled proportions. They will be extremely angry at their situation and furious with the people who led them away from Allah's path. Their greatest ambitions, such as wealth and position, will have lost all meaning. They will be furious with their leaders, who led them away from His path, and try to distance themselves from them. The dispute between those who led and those who followed is revealed, as follows:
When those who were followed disown those who followed them, and they see the punishment and the connection between them is cut, those who followed will say: “If only we could have another chance, we would disown them just as they have disowned us.” In that way Allah will show them their actions as a cause of anguish and remorse for them. They will never emerge from the Fire. (Surat al-Baqara, 166-67)
They will say on the Day their faces are rolled over in the Fire: “If only we had obeyed Allah and obeyed the Messenger!” And they will say: “Our Lord, we obeyed our masters and great men, and they misguided us from the Way. Our Lord, give them double the punishment and curse them many times over!” (Surat al-Ahzab, 66-68)
Allah points out that such leaders are one of the factors that lead people away from belief in Him. People who are considered superior because of other people's values and not because of Allah's values, have an enormous influence over their followers. People who submit to these leaders are tricked into living according to this world's impermanent values and thus waste their lives. However, unable to recognize their mistakes on Earth, they supported one another in disobedience against Allah and abided by their own creeds. When their error is exposed on this Day, they will begin to blame one another. Regardless of these accusations, neither party will be saved from Hell.
Allah describes such leaders in the following terms:
We made them leaders, summoning to the Fire, and on the Day of Resurrection they will not be helped. We pursued them with a curse in this world… (Surat al-Qasas, 41-42)
He [Pharaoh] will go ahead of his people on the Day of Resurrection and lead them down into the Fire. What an evil watering-hole to be led to! (Surah Hud, 98)
The unbelievers will wish that there was a distance as great as that between East and West between them and the leaders whom they followed. Allah states that:
If someone shuts his eyes to the remembrance of the All-Merciful, We assign him a devil who becomes his bosom friend—they debar them from the path, yet they still think they are guided—so that, when he reaches Us, he says: “If only there was the distance of the two Easts [East and West] between you and me!” What an evil companion! It will not benefit you today, since you did wrong, that you share equally in the punishment. (Surat az-Zukhruf, 36-39)
People will not want to know some of those whom they loved, trusted, or were attached to with desire while alive; they will deny others and condemn the rest. The Qur'an says:
He [Ibrahim] said: “You have adopted idols apart from Allah as tokens of mutual affection in this world. But then on the Day of Resurrection you will reject one another and curse one another. The Fire will be your shelter. You will have no helpers.” (Surat al-‘Ankabut, 25)
The Qur'an relates their ensuing arguments, as follows:
[The custodians of Hell will be told:] “Hurl into Hell every obdurate unbeliever, impeder of good, doubt-causing aggressor who set up another deity together with Allah. Hurl him into the terrible punishment.” His inseparable comrade will say: “Our Lord, I did not make him overstep the limits. He was, in any case, far astray.” He will say: “Do not argue in My presence when I gave you advance warning of the Threat. My Word, once given, is not subject to change, and I do not wrong My servants.” (Surah Qaf, 24-29)
Those who despised the believers' righteous path will be astonished when they do not find the believers beside them on that Day, as described below:
They [the profligate] will say: “How is it that we do not see some men whom we used to count among the worst of people? Did we turn them into figures of fun? Did our eyes disdain to look at them?” All this is certainly true—the bickering of the people of the Fire. (Surah Sad, 62-64)
While they were alive, their disputes with each other never ended and, in fact, they actually darkened their own lives. In reality, they are well aware of the cruelty that they inflicted upon one another. They did not find peace even among those close to them or in their own environment, and yet they would not cease their arguing. Whereas the believers always live in contentment here and in the Hereafter, the unbelievers always live in a state of restlessness and discontent. They will receive pain from all sides, as well as dispute continually with those whom they consider close.
They Are Disgraced
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ent existence, and live a carefree life will pay a heavy price in return. As they doQuote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 30 2009,12:55) I really don't see why it is so hard for Muslims and Christians to understand that they believe the same things Jesus was born of a virgin
Jesus was The Christ
Jesus was saved by GodThe name that Jesus has that is above every name is that God Saves
The Christians say that God saved Jesus from rotting in the ground and raised him up to Himself to sit at the right hand of God
The Muslims believe that God saved Jesus from rotting in the ground or even being killed at all, and raised up Jesus to Himself to sit at his right hand.
Both believe in the resurrection and both know that The Resurrection has not occured yet although the Christians believe that Jesus was resurrected
But we both know that if Jesus was raised from the dead at that time it would have been in the same manner of Lazarus because Jesus still had his same body marks and all (according to the scriptures) Had Jesus a New Body, would it have old markings?
The fact is some of the terminology may be different but the meaning is the same: God Saves, in Hebrew names are attributes Jesus came Yeshua/God saves
If we both believe God saves what is the problem?
In Islam if im correct Jesus is just a prophet of no more importance than all the other Prophets,
so he has been made lower than who he really is and was.—————————————
The Parable of the Wicked Vinedressers
33 “Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. 34 Now when vintage-time drew near, he sent his servants to the vinedressers, that they might receive its fruit. 35 And the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another. 36 Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them.37 Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ 39 So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him.
40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?”
41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.”
42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
‘ The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the LORD’s doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’?[j]43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. 44 And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.”
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Inscribed on the Dome of the Rock:
….God has no companion….
..—”In the name of the One God (Allah) Pray for your Prophet and Servant Jesus SON OF MARY”-
…..It is not for God to take a son…….I was reading that yesterday?
Iv got back to what I believed
I havent given up on you yet.Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 07 2010,22:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 30 2009,12:55) I really don't see why it is so hard for Muslims and Christians to understand that they believe the same things Jesus was born of a virgin
Jesus was The Christ
Jesus was saved by GodThe name that Jesus has that is above every name is that God Saves
The Christians say that God saved Jesus from rotting in the ground and raised him up to Himself to sit at the right hand of God
The Muslims believe that God saved Jesus from rotting in the ground or even being killed at all, and raised up Jesus to Himself to sit at his right hand.
Both believe in the resurrection and both know that The Resurrection has not occured yet although the Christians believe that Jesus was resurrected
But we both know that if Jesus was raised from the dead at that time it would have been in the same manner of Lazarus because Jesus still had his same body marks and all (according to the scriptures) Had Jesus a New Body, would it have old markings?
The fact is some of the terminology may be different but the meaning is the same: God Saves, in Hebrew names are attributes Jesus came Yeshua/God saves
If we both believe God saves what is the problem?
In Islam if im correct Jesus is just a prophet of no more importance than all the other Prophets,
so he has been made lower than who he really is and was.—————————————
The Parable of the Wicked Vinedressers
33 “Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. 34 Now when vintage-time drew near, he sent his servants to the vinedressers, that they might receive its fruit. 35 And the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another. 36 Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them.37 Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ 39 So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him.
40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?”
41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.”
42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
‘ The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the LORD’s doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’?[j]43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. 44 And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.”
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Inscribed on the Dome of the Rock:
….God has no companion….
..—”In the name of the One God (Allah) Pray for your Prophet and Servant Jesus SON OF MARY”-
…..It is not for God to take a son…….I was reading that yesterday?
Iv got back to what I believed
I havent given up on you yet.
If you apply that story you would have to apply this parable.Luke 15:22-32 (King James Version)
22But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
23And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
24For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
25Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing.
26And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.
27And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.
28And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.
29And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:
30But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
31And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.
32It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.
2 things here one this parable seems to be saying the eldest son is angry at the father for receiving the wayward son so the Father in this parable is more merciful than the son, the other thing is the wayward son was called dead and made alive but that son had never actually died.
I am not saying this even applies to Jesus but if you apply parables we can apply many parables to the same effect.
Also Islam says that Jesus is The Christ and as Jesus said he and the believers are ONE and God is One with them, so that being the case there would be no greater or lesser involved only God is greater.
Have you heard the things God has said about Moses or David?
Jesus is inheriting the throne of David
Even the transfiguration shows common unity Elijah and Moses were not bowing to him they were talking to him.
I have shown before that in the bible those who are pious are called sons and anyone who would be Christ would certainly be called “son” in those days
but look:
Matthew 12:15-21 (King James Version)
15But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all;
16And charged them that they should not make him known:
17That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
18Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
19He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.
20A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.
21And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.
Would someone call their son a servant? Someone would call a servant their son.
Still when you say God has a son, what does that even mean?
Did God take mary for a wife, what does it mean that God has a son, think about it for a second.
The Bible also calls the church the “bride” of Christ, what does that mean is Jesus going to marry everyone and be their literal husbands or if a man says he is married to Christ what does that mean. Is Mary really the Queen of Heaven, is she really the Mother of God and most importantly why is it that Islam gives the plain fact that Jesus is the Son of Mary and it is not accepted with the same weight as son of God, The Miracle was given to Mary, The son was received by Mary. Jesus is her son and he came out of her literally.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 08 2010,04:37) If you apply that story you would have to apply this parable. Luke 15:22-32 (King James Version)
22But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
23And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
24For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
25Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing.
26And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.
27And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.
28And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.
29And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:
30But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
31And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.
32It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.
2 things here one this parable seems to be saying the eldest son is angry at the father for receiving the wayward son so the Father in this parable is more merciful than the son, the other thing is the wayward son was called dead and made alive but that son had never actually died.
I am not saying this even applies to Jesus but if you apply parables we can apply many parables to the same effect.
No- you wouldnt have to apply that parable, theyre 2 different things.
The lost prodigal son is about Gods mercy and forgivness- it is one of 3 parables showing Gods mercy. The parable of the lost sheep and the parable of the lost coin came before it in the same chapter of Luke.
Jesus wasnt lost but Jesus came for the lost.
The parable of the wicked vinedressers which I gave you is about God and his Son. Its a seperate Parable.
Quote Also Islam says that Jesus is The Christ and as Jesus said he and the believers are ONE and God is One with them, so that being the case there would be no greater or lesser involved only God is greater. That is Good that they say he is the Christ. And it is good that they worship and obey God- Jesus told us to worship God. The error is they deny he is The Son.
Quote Have you heard the things God has said about Moses or David? Jesus is inheriting the throne of David
Even the transfiguration shows common unity Elijah and Moses were not bowing to him they were talking to him.
And in the transfiguration
5 While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!” 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were greatly afraid.
Quote I have shown before that in the bible those who are pious are called sons and anyone who would be Christ would certainly be called “son” in those days And I have shown before the difference in Sons.
Quote Still when you say God has a son, what does that even mean? Did God take mary for a wife, what does it mean that God has a son, think about it for a second
.. is she really the Mother of God and most importantly why is it that Islam gives the plain fact that Jesus is the Son of Mary and it is not accepted with the same weight as son of God, The Miracle was given to Mary, The son was received by Mary. Jesus is her son and he came out of her literally.
I realize that, Jesus was on earth the son of Mary but unlike all of us he had no man as a Father. We all carry genetics but Jesus had none from this planet from a man. So in the Quran, when it keeps repeating -'Jesus Son of Mary'- it is ignoring the ' Son of God'- and adding confusion
Do you see that?
You like to confuse me with your long posts and lots of points dont you.
Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 08 2010,09:29) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 08 2010,04:37) If you apply that story you would have to apply this parable. Luke 15:22-32 (King James Version)
22But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
23And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
24For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
25Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing.
26And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.
27And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.
28And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.
29And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:
30But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
31And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.
32It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.
2 things here one this parable seems to be saying the eldest son is angry at the father for receiving the wayward son so the Father in this parable is more merciful than the son, the other thing is the wayward son was called dead and made alive but that son had never actually died.
I am not saying this even applies to Jesus but if you apply parables we can apply many parables to the same effect.
No- you wouldnt have to apply that parable, theyre 2 different things.
The lost prodigal son is about Gods mercy and forgivness- it is one of 3 parables showing Gods mercy. The parable of the lost sheep and the parable of the lost coin came before it in the same chapter of Luke.
Jesus wasnt lost but Jesus came for the lost.
The parable of the wicked vinedressers which I gave you is about God and his Son. Its a seperate Parable.
Quote Also Islam says that Jesus is The Christ and as Jesus said he and the believers are ONE and God is One with them, so that being the case there would be no greater or lesser involved only God is greater. That is Good that they say he is the Christ. And it is good that they worship and obey God- Jesus told us to worship God. The error is they deny he is The Son.
Quote Have you heard the things God has said about Moses or David? Jesus is inheriting the throne of David
Even the transfiguration shows common unity Elijah and Moses were not bowing to him they were talking to him.
And in the transfiguration
5 While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!” 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were greatly afraid.
Quote I have shown before that in the bible those who are pious are called sons and anyone who would be Christ would certainly be called “son” in those days And I have shown before the difference in Sons.
Quote Still when you say God has a son, what does that even mean? Did God take mary for a wife, what does it mean that God has a son, think about it for a second
.. is she really the Mother of God and most importantly why is it that Islam gives the plain fact that Jesus is the Son of Mary and it is not accepted with the same weight as son of God, The Miracle was given to Mary, The son was received by Mary. Jesus is her son and he came out of her literally.
I realize that, Jesus was on earth the son of Mary but unlike all of us he had no man as a Father. We all carry genetics but Jesus had none from this planet from a man. So in the Quran, when it keeps repeating -'Jesus Son of Mary'- it is ignoring the ' Son of God'- and adding confusion
Do you see that?
You like to confuse me with your long posts and lots of points dont you.
Okay then, no long posts.Son means servant and if Jesus was called servant in Isaiah 42, is a son ever someones son? look at acts 3:26 you will see that those terms in Hebrew are interchangeable.
If you say Jesus directed you to worship God then I really don't even understand your complaint, just do what Jesus told you to do. Jesus submitted to God but many here keep trying to submit to Jesus instead of submitting to the Only true God. But, once again in what way is Jesus even a “Son”?
No Bod sorry I didnt mean stop the long posts, I was just multi tasking! so sorry that prob came out wrong
(Just like im multi tasking right now.)
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 08 2010,15:37) Son means servant and if Jesus was called servant in Isaiah 42, is a son ever someones son? look at acts 3:26 you will see that those terms in Hebrew are interchangeable. To Be Gods original first Son what a priviledge! I dont think you could really measure the relationship between Jesus and God based on our earthly Father Son relationships.
Quote If you say Jesus directed you to worship God then I really don't even understand your complaint, just do what Jesus told you to do. Jesus submitted to God but many here keep trying to submit to Jesus instead of submitting to the Only true God. Yes Jesus did submit to God. Many have no real idea what that even feels like.
Jesus was an example for us.
Gods will not our own.Others put Jesus in the place of God. Jesus never told to actually do that.
So that is where Islam is correct.
But there are places where it is not correct
Jesus is THE Son of God because the bible tells us.Quote But, once again in what way is Jesus even a “Son”? Sons= Angels , People, and a Nation has been mentioned as Son/Sons of God. But there was only one Son who was there before creation, before everything, Hidden from the beginning then revealed.
A Son of the 'Higher type than all others'- not Human nor Angel nor Nation
Teachings from an Early Christian Epistle: The Letter to Diognetus
2 On the contrary, it was really the Ruler of all, the Creator of all, the invisible God himself, who from heaven established the truth and the holy, incomprehensible word among men, and fixed it firmly in their hearts.
Nor, as one might suppose, did he do this by sending to men some subordinate—an angel, or principality, or one of those who administer earthly affairs, or perhaps one of those to whom the government of things in heaven is entrusted. Rather, he sent the Designer and Maker of the universe himself, by whom he created the heavens and confined the sea within its own bounds—him whose hidden purposes all the elements of the world faithfully carry out, him from whom the sun has received the measure of the daily rounds that it must keep, him whom the moon obeys when he commands her to shine by night, and whom the stars obey as they follow the course of the moon.He sent him by whom all things have been set in order and distinguished and placed in subjection—the heavens and the things that are in the heavens, the earth and the things in the earth, the sea and the things in the sea, fire, air, the unfathomed pit, the things in the heights and in the depths and in the realm between; God sent him to men.
3 Now, did he send him, as a human mind might assume, to rule by tyranny, fear, and terror?
4 Far from it! He sent him out of kindness and gentleness, like a king sending his son who is himself a king. He sent him as God; he sent him as man to men.So its like a King sends his only true Son who is also a King, he isnt the Actual King, but like the King he also is a King- if that makes sense?
Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 08 2010,21:13) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 08 2010,15:37) Son means servant and if Jesus was called servant in Isaiah 42, is a son ever someones son? look at acts 3:26 you will see that those terms in Hebrew are interchangeable. To Be Gods original first Son what a priviledge! I dont think you could really measure the relationship between Jesus and God based on our earthly Father Son relationships.
Quote If you say Jesus directed you to worship God then I really don't even understand your complaint, just do what Jesus told you to do. Jesus submitted to God but many here keep trying to submit to Jesus instead of submitting to the Only true God. Yes Jesus did submit to God. Many have no real idea what that even feels like.
Jesus was an example for us.
Gods will not our own.Others put Jesus in the place of God. Jesus never told to actually do that.
So that is where Islam is correct.
But there are places where it is not correct
Jesus is THE Son of God because the bible tells us.Quote But, once again in what way is Jesus even a “Son”? Sons= Angels , People, and a Nation has been mentioned as Son/Sons of God. But there was only one Son who was there before creation, before everything, Hidden from the beginning then revealed.
A Son of the 'Higher type than all others'- not Human nor Angel nor Nation
Teachings from an Early Christian Epistle: The Letter to Diognetus
2 On the contrary, it was really the Ruler of all, the Creator of all, the invisible God himself, who from heaven established the truth and the holy, incomprehensible word among men, and fixed it firmly in their hearts.
Nor, as one might suppose, did he do this by sending to men some subordinate—an angel, or principality, or one of those who administer earthly affairs, or perhaps one of those to whom the government of things in heaven is entrusted. Rather, he sent the Designer and Maker of the universe himself, by whom he created the heavens and confined the sea within its own bounds—him whose hidden purposes all the elements of the world faithfully carry out, him from whom the sun has received the measure of the daily rounds that it must keep, him whom the moon obeys when he commands her to shine by night, and whom the stars obey as they follow the course of the moon.He sent him by whom all things have been set in order and distinguished and placed in subjection—the heavens and the things that are in the heavens, the earth and the things in the earth, the sea and the things in the sea, fire, air, the unfathomed pit, the things in the heights and in the depths and in the realm between; God sent him to men.
3 Now, did he send him, as a human mind might assume, to rule by tyranny, fear, and terror?
4 Far from it! He sent him out of kindness and gentleness, like a king sending his son who is himself a king. He sent him as God; he sent him as man to men.
If what that person were correct Jesus would have lied when he said:John 14:12 (King James Version)
12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Once again Jesus is the servant of God it really pleases Jesus to SERVE God so why is it so hard to believe?
Anyway you look at it his purpose is to serve God and obey the will of God.
It doesn't matter if he was the first creation or the last creation of God because all who submit will be rewarded accordingly.
When we simply want Jesus to be looked up to more than all the others God sent it is not what Jesus taught. “ALL PRAISE IS DUE TO GOD”
Why is it imporatant to you that Jesus is greater or less than Moses, Elijah, Joshua, Jonah, Noah…. In what way did God Himself not choose and cherish them
They were all blessed and gifted for different purposes of God.
Say ye: “We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam).”
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #136)The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah – the which We have sent by inspiration to thee – and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him).
( سورة الشورى , Ash-Shura, Chapter #42, Verse #13)bodhitharta,Feb. wrote:Quote If what that person were correct Jesus would have lied when he said: John 14:12 (King James Version)
12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
-The works – on earth= healing, teaching, and all Jesus did.
We werent there two thousand years ago to see the works.
Jesus also said that when he comes back will he find ANY faith on earth?These days that faith is lacking.
“In the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, –
HAVING A FORM OF GODLY DEVOTION BUT PROVING FALSE TO ITS POWERQuote Once again Jesus is the servant of God it really pleases Jesus to SERVE God so why is it so hard to believe?Anyway you look at it his purpose is to serve God and obey the will of God. -Its not hard to believe I agree, his purpose (as ours should be) is to serve and obey God
Quote It doesn't matter if he was the first creation or the last creation of God because all who submit will be rewarded accordingly. When we simply want Jesus to be looked up to more than all the others God sent it is not what Jesus taught. “ALL PRAISE IS DUE TO GOD”
-Correct- Alll praise is due to God
-But it does matter.
Read the book of John.Quote Why is it imporatant to you that Jesus is greater or less than Moses, Elijah, Joshua, Jonah, Noah…. In what way did God Himself not choose and cherish them They were all blessed and gifted for different purposes of God.
-All chosen and cherished but you are missing the point bod. Jesus through God created all that you see. He was before All.
Quote Say ye: “We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam).”
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #136)The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah – the which We have sent by inspiration to thee – and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him).
( سورة الشورى , Ash-Shura, Chapter #42, Verse #13)-Hmmmm exactly why I cant and wont read the Quran- the 'God has no son' parts.
You would rather put your trust in in a book put together by Man than in what God has truely revealed?I dont put my trust in all of the New Testement either. Iv only read half of it. Cant you read just half of the Quran too?
Like I have told you, I have been told to write, I have written things not of my own Power. Then again for example on this forum I have written just from my own mind and understanding. Put it all together into a book years later and you will find I gaurantee truth and error.Thousands of Muslims are actually seeing that today.
Worship and live like a Muslim.
Believe within- that Jesus (Yahshua) IS the Actual Son of God.
By me believing in all I do my life has only gotten better. Im more in Submission to God than I was ever before, once i cleared error from my mind.Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 09 2010,12:35) bodhitharta,Feb. wrote:Quote If what that person were correct Jesus would have lied when he said: John 14:12 (King James Version)
12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
-The works – on earth= healing, teaching, and all Jesus did.
We werent there two thousand years ago to see the works.
Jesus also said that when he comes back will he find ANY faith on earth?These days that faith is lacking.
“In the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, –
HAVING A FORM OF GODLY DEVOTION BUT PROVING FALSE TO ITS POWERQuote Once again Jesus is the servant of God it really pleases Jesus to SERVE God so why is it so hard to believe?Anyway you look at it his purpose is to serve God and obey the will of God. -Its not hard to believe I agree, his purpose (as ours should be) is to serve and obey God
Quote It doesn't matter if he was the first creation or the last creation of God because all who submit will be rewarded accordingly. When we simply want Jesus to be looked up to more than all the others God sent it is not what Jesus taught. “ALL PRAISE IS DUE TO GOD”
-Correct- Alll praise is due to God
-But it does matter.
Read the book of John.Quote Why is it imporatant to you that Jesus is greater or less than Moses, Elijah, Joshua, Jonah, Noah…. In what way did God Himself not choose and cherish them They were all blessed and gifted for different purposes of God.
-All chosen and cherished but you are missing the point bod. Jesus through God created all that you see. He was before All.
Quote Say ye: “We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam).”
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #136)The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah – the which We have sent by inspiration to thee – and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him).
( سورة الشورى , Ash-Shura, Chapter #42, Verse #13)-Hmmmm exactly why I cant and wont read the Quran- the 'God has no son' parts.
You would rather put your trust in in a book put together by Man than in what God has truely revealed?I dont put my trust in all of the New Testement either. Iv only read half of it. Cant you read just half of the Quran too?
Like I have told you, I have been told to write, I have written things not of my own Power. Then again for example on this forum I have written just from my own mind and understanding. Put it all together into a book years later and you will find I gaurantee truth and error.Thousands of Muslims are actually seeing that today.
Worship and live like a Muslim.
Believe within- that Jesus (Yahshua) IS the Actual Son of God.
By me believing in all I do my life has only gotten better. Im more in Submission to God than I was ever before, once i cleared error from my mind.
What do you mean by ACTUAL son?Please pay close attention to this post:
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Isaiah 44:23-25For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Isaiah 45:17-19Do you not believe these verses that God HIMSELF is saying
And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.
Isaiah 49:4-6If someone says to me that Jesus is a servant I can easily grasp that God created his servant, but are you saying that Jesus was created by God and simply called this servant “son”?
If that is the case I could agree but him being “Son” would still only be a metaphor
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Jeremiah 1:4-6Do you see what I am saying?
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?Hebrews 1:4-6
As you can see from the verses up above God is saying “I will be” to him a Father this is the same metaphor that was used with Solomon
And he said unto me, Solomon thy son, he shall build my house and my courts: for I have chosen him to be my son, and I will be his father.
1 Chronicles 28:5-7
Hebrews 1:4-6Isn't this also a metaphor? Don't get me wrong it's beautiful to be called a child of God and to call God “Our Father” it shows affection and closeness but the fact is God is not human, does not marry and does not procreate children like we do.
Also you keep saying Jesus created everything which if you believe that simply because the scripture talking about the word being made flesh have you not heard it was Wisdom that was there from the beginning.
God formed all there is, not Jesus
Isaiah 43:6-8 (King James Version)
6I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;
7Even every one that is called by my name: for
I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isaiah 43:9-11He that planted the ear, shall he not hear? he that formed the eye, shall he not see?
Psalm 94:8-10The sea is his, and he made it: and his hands formed the dry land.
Psalm 95:4-6The great God that formed all things both rewardeth the fool, and rewardeth transgressors.
Proverbs 26:9-11Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 08 2010,15:37) Okay then, no long posts. Son means servant
Son does NOT mean servant.
Does lie mean 'truth'?Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2010,16:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 08 2010,15:37) Okay then, no long posts. Son means servant
Son does NOT mean servant.
Does lie mean 'truth'?
Son means Servant in the context of Jewish culture“Sons of thunder”
The only other use of Son is literally a Man who takes a Woman and procreates.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 09 2010,15:03) What do you mean by ACTUAL son? Please pay close attention to this post:
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Isaiah 44:23-25For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Isaiah 45:17-19Do you not believe these verses that God HIMSELF is saying
And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.
Isaiah 49:4-6If someone says to me that Jesus is a servant I can easily grasp that God created his servant, but are you saying that Jesus was created by God and simply called this servant “son”?
If that is the case I could agree but him being “Son” would still only be a metaphor
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Jeremiah 1:4-6Do you see what I am saying?
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?Hebrews 1:4-6
As you can see from the verses up above God is saying “I will be” to him a Father this is the same metaphor that was used with Solomon
And he said unto me, Solomon thy son, he shall build my house and my courts: for I have chosen him to be my son, and I will be his father.
1 Chronicles 28:5-7
Hebrews 1:4-6Isn't this also a metaphor? Don't get me wrong it's beautiful to be called a child of God and to call God “Our Father” it shows affection and closeness but the fact is God is not human, does not marry and does not procreate children like we do.
Also you keep saying Jesus created everything which if you believe that simply because the scripture talking about the word being made flesh have you not heard it was Wisdom that was there from the beginning.
God formed all there is, not Jesus
Isaiah 43:6-8 (King James Version)
6I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;
7Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isaiah 43:9-11He that planted the ear, shall he not hear? he that formed the eye, shall he not see?
Psalm 94:8-10The sea is his, and he made it: and his hands formed the dry land.
Psalm 95:4-6The great God that formed all things both rewardeth the fool, and rewardeth transgressors.
Proverbs 26:9-11Your Good!
ok I will have to think about that one.
(You know im not well -versed too!)Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 09 2010,00:07) Son means Servant in the context of Jewish culture “Sons of thunder”
Servants of Zeus?Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 09 2010,15:03) What do you mean by ACTUAL son? Please pay close attention to this post:
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Isaiah 44:23-25For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Isaiah 45:17-19Do you not believe these verses that God HIMSELF is saying
And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.
Isaiah 49:4-6If someone says to me that Jesus is a servant I can easily grasp that God created his servant, but are you saying that Jesus was created by God and simply called this servant “son”?
If that is the case I could agree but him being “Son” would still only be a metaphor
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Jeremiah 1:4-6Do you see what I am saying?
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?Hebrews 1:4-6
As you can see from the verses up above God is saying “I will be” to him a Father this is the same metaphor that was used with Solomon
And he said unto me, Solomon thy son, he shall build my house and my courts: for I have chosen him to be my son, and I will be his father.
1 Chronicles 28:5-7
Hebrews 1:4-6Isn't this also a metaphor? Don't get me wrong it's beautiful to be called a child of God and to call God “Our Father” it shows affection and closeness but the fact is God is not human, does not marry and does not procreate children like we do.
Also you keep saying Jesus created everything which if you believe that simply because the scripture talking about the word being made flesh have you not heard it was Wisdom that was there from the beginning.
God formed all there is, not Jesus
Isaiah 43:6-8 (King James Version)
6I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;
7Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isaiah 43:9-11He that planted the ear, shall he not hear? he that formed the eye, shall he not see?
Psalm 94:8-10The sea is his, and he made it: and his hands formed the dry land.
Psalm 95:4-6The great God that formed all things both rewardeth the fool, and rewardeth transgressors.
Proverbs 26:9-11
Ok Bod I dont actually have the answer to that, all I know is that some things you just have to believeJWs are awesome people who actually do something, I have no problem with that. Yet they still do believe Jesus was the Son of God higher than any Prophet, and that Jesus was the creator with God.
JWs in the kingdom hall (from what I remember years and years ago) I used to find it boring and no different than any other church. Islam is interesting because its different than that. You know I agree.
I have no idea why im talking about JWS.
True religeon is within.
I can go about my day, meet people, greet people, hug people, and sometimes when someone is at the stage when they really need some guidance (Like my real drunk bro in law last week) I can reach them with guidance and love. I dont need to follow any religeon to do that.Like iv said, I like Islam. Im a part of it and I dont know why. But I also have different beliefs than that , the only difference being the way I see Jesus. And after so much searching, that fits so well. I dont need to search anymore. Anything that needs to be shown to me, will be shown.
Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 09 2010,20:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 09 2010,15:03) What do you mean by ACTUAL son? Please pay close attention to this post:
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Isaiah 44:23-25For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Isaiah 45:17-19Do you not believe these verses that God HIMSELF is saying
And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.
Isaiah 49:4-6If someone says to me that Jesus is a servant I can easily grasp that God created his servant, but are you saying that Jesus was created by God and simply called this servant “son”?
If that is the case I could agree but him being “Son” would still only be a metaphor
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Jeremiah 1:4-6Do you see what I am saying?
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?Hebrews 1:4-6
As you can see from the verses up above God is saying “I will be” to him a Father this is the same metaphor that was used with Solomon
And he said unto me, Solomon thy son, he shall build my house and my courts: for I have chosen him to be my son, and I will be his father.
1 Chronicles 28:5-7
Hebrews 1:4-6Isn't this also a metaphor? Don't get me wrong it's beautiful to be called a child of God and to call God “Our Father” it shows affection and closeness but the fact is God is not human, does not marry and does not procreate children like we do.
Also you keep saying Jesus created everything which if you believe that simply because the scripture talking about the word being made flesh have you not heard it was Wisdom that was there from the beginning.
God formed all there is, not Jesus
Isaiah 43:6-8 (King James Version)
6I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;
7Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isaiah 43:9-11He that planted the ear, shall he not hear? he that formed the eye, shall he not see?
Psalm 94:8-10The sea is his, and he made it: and his hands formed the dry land.
Psalm 95:4-6The great God that formed all things both rewardeth the fool, and rewardeth transgressors.
Proverbs 26:9-11
Ok Bod I dont actually have the answer to that, all I know is that some things you just have to believeJWs dont believe in the crucifiction. yet they are awesome people who actually do something, I have no problem with that. Yet they still do believe Jesus was the Son of God higher than any Prophet, and that Jesus was the creator with God.
JWs in the kingdom hall (from what I remember years and years ago) I used to find it boring and no different than any other church. Islam is interesting because its different than that. You know I agree.
I have no idea why im talking about JWS.
True religeon is within.
I can go about my day, meet people, greet people, hug people, and sometimes when someone is at the stage when they really need some guidance (Like my real drunk bro in law last week) I can reach them with guidance and love. I dont need to follow any religeon to do that.Like iv said, I like Islam. Im a part of it and I dont know why. But I also have different beliefs than that , the only difference being the way I see Jesus. And after so much searching, that fits so well. I dont need to search anymore. Anything that needs to be shown to me, will be shown.
I actually agree with you and so does the Quran, it says if you do what is good and right in life and believe in ALLAH?God, The Last Day, The Angels and Judgement you will be rewarded with Paradise where you will be taught the truth of where you differed with others.I only warn to not put partners with God. There is only One CREATOR according to the Scriptures. So if God is speaking directly and says I did it ALONE and by MYSELF I have to believe HIM.
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