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priests and nuns are prohibited to marry. though some of them fall and some are reported to have family.
is it biblical to prohibit a man or women to marry?
Quote (jhenTux @ Nov. 26 2007,12:50) priests and nuns are prohibited to marry. though some of them fall and some are reported to have family. is it biblical to prohibit a man or women to marry?
Hi:The answer to your question, is “no” it is not biblical to prohibit a man or a woman to marry.
Quote 1 Co 7
1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
The Apostle Peter was married.
God Bless
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,
1Ti 4:2 through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared,
1Ti 4:3 who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.God bless,
Ken
This is an area where I can agree with Ken and 94. G-d created us and part of that is sexual desire. To deny that is wrong. That is one of many reasons why catholic priests have fallen into molestation of young people. You cannot deny what G-d made you.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
1 Timothy 5 talks about the biblical basis for Nuns. However, the teaching mutated into it's current form.
It is not biblical to prohibit clergy however.
The list of widows and virgins consisted of women who if they could not take care of themselves do to the limited occupational roles of unmarried women back then could be put on a list.
They were taken care of by the church. In return those on the list did charitable work. Going house to house to help the congregations. They were also to give alot of time in daily prayer for their congregations.
So the list of widows and virgins merged into one and became “nuns”.
Quote (Morningstar @ Nov. 27 2007,05:52) 1 Timothy 5 talks about the biblical basis for Nuns. However, the teaching mutated into it's current form. It is not biblical to prohibit clergy however.
The list of widows and virgins consisted of women who if they could not take care of themselves do to the limited occupational roles of unmarried women back then could be put on a list.
They were taken care of by the church. In return those on the list did charitable work. Going house to house to help the congregations. They were also to give alot of time in daily prayer for their congregations.
So the list of widows and virgins merged into one and became “nuns”.
Hi MorningStar:I don't believe that these scriptures show that these widows were forbidden to marry, but if they marry, it is their husband's responsibility to take care of them and not the church.
God Bless
1 Cor. 9:5, NAB: “Do we not have the right to marry a believing woman like the rest of the apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?” (“Cephas” is an Aramaic name given to Peter; see John 1:42. See also Mark 1:29-31, where reference is made to the mother-in-law of Simon, or Peter.)
1 Tim. 3:2, Dy: “It behoveth, therefore, a bishop to be . . . the husband of one wife [“married only once,” NAB].”
Before the Christian era, Buddhism required its priests and monks to be celibate. (History of Sacerdotal Celibacy in the Christian Church, London, 1932, fourth ed., revised, Henry C. Lea, p. 6) Even earlier, the higher orders of the Babylonian priesthood were required to practice celibacy, according to The Two Babylons by A. Hislop.—(New York, 1943), p. 219.
1 Tim. 4:1-3, JB: “The Spirit has explicitly said that during the last times there will be some who will desert the faith and choose to listen to deceitful spirits and doctrines that come from the devils; . . . they will say marriage is forbidden.”
While Paul stressed that it's better not to marry so you can focus on serving God, there is no forbidding to marry mentioned in the Bible. Only this prophecy that some would in fact forbid to marry.
This is certainly a doctrine that “come from the devils.” It has resulted in much child abuse and homosexuality among the clergy.
Quote (942767 @ Nov. 27 2007,09:24) Quote (Morningstar @ Nov. 27 2007,05:52) 1 Timothy 5 talks about the biblical basis for Nuns. However, the teaching mutated into it's current form. It is not biblical to prohibit clergy however.
The list of widows and virgins consisted of women who if they could not take care of themselves do to the limited occupational roles of unmarried women back then could be put on a list.
They were taken care of by the church. In return those on the list did charitable work. Going house to house to help the congregations. They were also to give alot of time in daily prayer for their congregations.
So the list of widows and virgins merged into one and became “nuns”.
Hi MorningStar:I don't believe that these scriptures show that these widows were forbidden to marry, but if they marry, it is their husband's responsibility to take care of them and not the church.
God Bless
correct, i agree.they were forbidden to marry if they “stayed” on the list though.
technicality of semantics.
Quote (jhenTux @ Nov. 26 2007,12:50) priests and nuns are prohibited to marry. though some of them fall and some are reported to have family. is it biblical to prohibit a man or women to marry?
Hi thereI think the worst part is that men have disobeyed the first very simple Law direct from God, That is…was made in the Garden of Eden, and must be observed if ever one” is to be a resident again,
That is
Man helps meet, (God) oneness together its doneThe problem seems to be that most all the men run around trying to help meet God using each others help, the Natural use of the female has become void of thought, as they scamper from each others garden to garden, void of the fact that if they with patience obey the first Law ever given, they should expect no lie, the food be in the firdge at home, and yet the mind is set lets all eat from each other, and yes of Corse those who forbid marriage, the correct way, one Man for one Woman, what God joined together, is forsake then tof having Life giving water from the well and cistern of their youth
Hmm very Interesting Christ was flesh,
but o how much has he been made, mans help meet God, half mind celibacy priesthood,
Sisters are closed garden, wells shut up.I like what Paul offers in O how do you know o wife if you shall
save your husband…so it gets down to THE SERIOUSness of the word.. SAVE?
I like what solomon would say, if she dose not do your soul Good, send her away, for in that void is voided from the beginning, beginning is then replaced with Moses laws yokes and restaints held together, under oath of the destrution of a soul.Quote (942767 @ Nov. 26 2007,13:39) Quote (jhenTux @ Nov. 26 2007,12:50) priests and nuns are prohibited to marry. though some of them fall and some are reported to have family. is it biblical to prohibit a man or women to marry?
Hi:The answer to your question, is “no” it is not biblical to prohibit a man or a woman to marry.
Quote 1 Co 7
1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
The Apostle Peter was married.
God Bless
Apostle Peter married? I want to know more. Details please.
Luk 4:38 And he arose and left the synagogue and entered Simon's house. Now Simon's mother-in-law was ill with a high fever, and they appealed to him on her behalf.
It is clear from what Paul said, that it is better for live in celibacy -restraining form sexual intercourse. But that would put too heavy a burden to most of our shoulders, so we are allowed but with restrictions. Not by The Christ, but by the apostle. Marriage is a form of celibacy, as temptation is everywhere, but we should resist that, and be faithful only to our spouse.
Sexuality belongs to the flesh. Flesh will not inherit the Kingdom of God. There will be no marriages in the Kingdom of Heaven and there will be no flesh bodies, according to Paul and Our Lord, Jesus Christ.
The love of God is more important than the love by blood. (Abraham and Isaac) We live in flesh, and we marry, and have children, but these must not come before the Love of God.
We put ourselves in His hands, Thy will be done. As you cannot save your wife, you cannot save your children, either. You can try to help, but all salvation is through personal relationship with Christ. You cannot love Christ instead of anyone, but only for yourself.Hi Hub,
There is a mystery to do with marriage and it is about oneness before God. The woman was taken from the side of man and both are incomplete in a way without the other.1Cor 7
” 12But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.13And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
16For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife? “
Would that mean that single people are incomplete ?
I am sure it is not so.I know that marriage is a mistery, a sacrament. That does not mean one cannot do without. As the apostle says, if you are married you think of how to please your wife, but if you are not you think of how to please God. Not that these two would be opposites … just that God does not want to test us like he did with Abraham, because we would fail. This kind of test is only for the strong in faith.
Saint Augustine is clear on this subject of celibacy.
He says, – and he's a canonized saint -: Before Christ's first coming, it was necessary for the chosen people to multiply, but after it, it is not. There are enough nations, and they are all called by The Christ. He uses this argument to explain why man should not have more than one wives. He explains that before Christ, in case of the chosen people of Israel, it was allowed for man to have more wives, not because the early fathers had more sexual appetite, becasue they lived in but to have more children.
(this also explains why there was no institution where woman had more husbands .. as a woman cannot have more children if she has more than one husband)Augustine accepts that a natural good comes from marriage and that is children. But marriage is not sacred because of this, and sexual intercourse is not sanctified by it. It is not a sin only if it is done to have children, and with the thought of raising them as christians. Sexual intercourse done because the parts lack the gift of celibacy is still sin, but it is venial. If done indiscriminatley just for the sake of pleasure it is fornication just as they would not be married.
One should not look to the scripture with the eye of the thief … let me se, does God allow this or that ?
We have to read the Scriptures with a clean heart, and understand it's message, it's promise. This promise is so much greater than the little pleasure one gets form the flesh …
Why I say promise … because it is not enough to beleive you are saved, you also must do God's will. It is not like if it is not forbidden, than it is OK. The question is what can we do for God.Also there is a hint in the Bible what the Tree of Knowledge was. Isn't the Bible say that Adam knew his wife Eve ? It does ot say he loved her ore mated with her, or made love with her, but knew her.
I read a very interesting post on this forum by someone who said by the original sin, Adam and Eve took their eyes from God and looked at themselves. Than they saw they were naked. The original sin might just mean that we do not see God anymore, but we see ourselves, our bodies instead. And sexuality is the gratification of the body, the worship of it's beauty, and it's means. Once a man or woman sees God, or even if not sees Him, but hears Him in his/er heart, or believes the promise of eternal life and beleives it, attachment to the perishable body is weakend and eventualy eliminated.
But how to do this if you gratify it with the bodily pleasure of making love ?
These two are opposite directions.Hi Guest:
You say that Augustine reasoned the following.
Quote Augustine accepts that a natural good comes from marriage and that is children. But marriage is not sacred because of this, and sexual intercourse is not sanctified by it. It is not a sin only if it is done to have children, and with the thought of raising them as christians. Sexual intercourse done because the parts lack the gift of celibacy is still sin, but it is venial. If done indiscriminatley just for the sake of pleasure it is fornication just as they would not be married. Are you saying that you agree with him?
The Apostle Paul states:
Quote 1Co 7:2
Nevertheless, TO AVOID FORNICATION, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.Quote 1 Co. 7:3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. 4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. 5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency. While we are in this flesh body we have needs of the flesh, and sex according to the foregoing scripture is a need. Sexual intimacy is part of a part of a healthy marriage. Where it may become sin is where there are lusts of the flesh. It is just like we need food for our body, but gluttony is a sin.
If a person chooses by his free will to remain celibate, there of course is nothing wrong with this. In fact, if he is serving God, he would be likely be more free to devote his time to this service. If a person has a wife or a husband, one is trying to please the Lord as well as a husband or a wife.
But celibacy should not be a requirement for someone to be in the ministry.
Quote 1 Timothy 3
1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6 Not a novice, F3 lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
God Bless
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