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Hi Robyn,
Catholics teach that Mary is the mother of God, she is in heaven and can intercede for us and we should pray to her. The rosary, a repetitive prayer so similar to the ways of Islam, is adressed to Mary, the mother of God. They teach that as Mary was put under the care of John on the cross, was thereby made the mother of all.
Can you discern how these matters are incorrect spiritually and cause men to sin through serving the created rather than the Creator?Quote (t8 @ Aug. 20 2006,06:48) Quote (Robyn † @ Aug. 21 2006,00:45) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 20 2006,00:31) Hi Robyn † Quote A faith in an organisation that has slaughtered millions? What would you say if I condoned Adolph Hitler? Surely you would be horrified. Why is the Roman Catholic Church any different?
Well let's see. Hitler was a male and human. You are male and human. Are you responsible for what Hitler did?Your logic doesn't work. God Judges me. God knows what is in my heart. You don't.
To Robyn †,OK I will change Adolph Hitler to the Nazis.
Would you not have reservations about me if I were a Nazi. Surely you would wonder why I would want to be part of an organisation that has inflicted such cruelty.
What would you say if I said my faith was in God and the Nazi Party? Why is that any different to saying I base my faith on God and the Roman Catholic Church who are responsible for many deaths. What is the difference?
You know that some actually did believe once that Adoph and the Nazis were of God, because the got rid of pornography and the like before they did all the other stuff that showed their true colours.
Anyway it is up to you what you choose. It makes no difference to me whatsoever if you are a Roman Catholic or whatever.
Each one of us is responsible for what we do with our lives and what we condone and whom we serve. All I can do is serve God myself and help others when I see a need. If they refuse help then that is their decision. I respect that and so does God. He gave each of us free will and that is why we have no excuse for what we do. Because ultimately we choose what we want.
Okay…Nazis are human. You are human. You are responsible for what the Nazis have done.Doesn't add up. Get it?
How can I be responsible for something my Church had done centuries ago?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 20 2006,06:54) Hi Robyn,
Sorry but when you said
“Well…part of the act of for forgiving has several steps.1. Recognize the sin
2. Feeling remorse
3. Restitution
4. Don't do it again”You were not surely talking about forgiving
but
the hope of being forgiven ?God forgives us in the process of rebirth into the Son of God.
Catholicism does not offer you the forgiveness of God.
Are you saying that Christ does not forgive Catholics? Simply amazing.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 20 2006,08:40) Thus catholicism is, at best, irrelevant and a dangerous deception.
That is just your opinion. You are human. You are are not perfect and subject to prejudice and error.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 20 2006,20:19) Hi Robyn,
Catholics teach that Mary is the mother of God, she is in heaven and can intercede for us and we should pray to her. The rosary, a repetitive prayer so similar to the ways of Islam, is adressed to Mary, the mother of God. They teach that as Mary was put under the care of John on the cross, was thereby made the mother of all.
Can you discern how these matters are incorrect spiritually and cause men to sin through serving the created rather than the Creator?
Mary is the connection to God. Praying to Mary is a means by which prayers are transmitted and channel for conveying spritual guidance and asking.Hi Robyn,
You say
“Mary is the connection to God. Praying to Mary is a means by which prayers are transmitted and channel for conveying spritual guidance and asking.”You cannot make such a statement on the basis of the bible so on what basis are you standing?
Is it a safe place if you are not abiding in the Word?Hi Robyn,
No.
I was not saying that as the gate is still open to all.
But who forgives?
Does penance forgive us?You said”
Are you saying that Christ does not forgive Catholics? Simply amazing.”Hi Robyn,
You said.
“How can I be responsible for something my Church had done centuries ago?”Rom 2.9f
” 9There will be Âtribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew (S)first and also of the Greek,10but (T)glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew (U)first and also to the Greek.
11For (V)there is no partiality with God.
12For all who have sinned (W)without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law;”
Robyn, we are not Jews under the old Law but gentiles outside of that Law.
We have been graciously offered an opportunity to be grafted onto the Olive tree of God[Rom 9] but the way is in rebirth into the one who completely fulfilled the Law, the Son of God.
There is salvation in no other name, or tradition, or denomination, or fellowship or system of religion..
Acts 22.16
” 16'Now why do you delay? ÂGet up and be baptized, and (D)wash away your sins, (E)calling on His name.' “Hi SS,
You quote
Act 16:14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, one that worshipped God, did hear: WHOSE HEART THE LORD OPENED TO ATTEND TO THOSE THINGS WHICH WERE SAID BY PAUL.
Act 16:15 And when SHE WAS BAPTIZED, AND HER HOUSEHOLD, she besought us, saying: If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house and abide there. And she constrained us'“Every single person in the family was to be baptized.”
So in what way does this show that we do not need to be taught the truth and understand things for baptism to be effective?
1Peter 3 tells us it is an appeal to God for the cleansing of the conscience so how can anyone appeal to God who has not heard the gospel and personally responded to it?
If it is effective without faith and repentance then surely baptism is a magical sacramant and not of faith.
And what is not of faith is sin according to scripture.To Robyn †,
Quote (Robyn † @ Aug. 21 2006,15:38)
Okay…Nazis are human. You are human. You are responsible for what the Nazis have done.Doesn't add up. Get it?
How can I be responsible for something my Church had done centuries ago?
By supporting that organisation that is how.If I support the Neo Nazi Party in Germany with money, time, and evangelism, then I believe that God would hold me responsible for their fruit because the Nazi Party is simply people who support their cause. No people, no cause.
Jesus said it like this:
Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.I believe that the Roman Catholic Church has proven that it produces bad fruit over the centuries. For a good tree cannot bear bad fruit. You can make mistakes, but the fruit determines the root. The fruit is only the visible part of what is in the heart.
If you truly believed Christ's words, you wouldn't say that any organisation that has murdered for it's own benefit produces good fruit.
It's like this. If I see a tree with apples, I know it is an apple tree. If I see a tree with pears, I know it is a pear tree. Now if I see an organisation that murders, I know that it is a murderous organisation. If I see an institution that teaches false doctrines, then I know that it is a false institution.
Jesus said in Matthew 7:16
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?Remember when we give we receive. That works both ways. What we sow is what we reap. That works both ways too. If I sow bad, I reap bad. If I give to an evil cause, I am then responsible for that cause, unless I did it in ignorance or repented. (God is merciful). If we help a bad tree to grow, then are we not responsible for its fruit, after all you are aiding in it's growth.
Also God forgives individuals for their sin. If they are non-repentant then they are not forgiven.
But I haven't seen the Roman Catholic church ask for forgiveness for murdering millions in the name of God and the name of the Pope, (maybe they have), but to those who committed the crimes and did not repent, then it is too late for them when they die and I wouldn't dare support their works.
I also haven't seen them ask for forgiveness for preaching false doctrines and leading the world astray. They are still preaching many false doctrines and deceiving many even to this day.
Their faith is the Trinity doctrine, but that doctrine is not scriptural and wasn't taught by Jesus and the Apostles. The Old Testament doesn't teach it either and the Jews who have had the OT for millenia do not support it.
But go ahead and support her if if you want. In the end you will do that which you want and I respect that.
But if you ask me anything I will tell it to you straight.
Israel is depicted in Jeremiah chapter 44 as worshiping a purported 'Queen of Heaven' who had given the world a saving son, and was known as the “Mother of God”.
Suspicious is it not, that the icons of Madonna and Child were esteemed by Babylon hundreds of years before baby Jesus was born in Bethlehem.
But then, God knew of the conspiratorial genius of Satan to prepare an immitation birth which he would then utilize to fake, and pass on an unsuspecting world as the real deal.
Satan's masterpiece work, is not to develop easily discernible false religions, but to take that which Christ has given, and subtly change it into something that it isn't, without provoking suspicion.
The Roman Catholic Church is a masterpiece work of Satan, and he utilizes it by kneading together Christian ideals with the ancient Babylonian pagan religious system that it is based upon.
Rome among a few other cities is called the “city on seven hills”. Is this a coincedence? The seven-hilled city mentioned by John in the book of Revelation chapter 17:9; has an abominable name written on her forehead:
Revelation 17:5
This title was written on her forehead: MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTESAND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.Revelation 17:9
“This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits.Revelation 17:18
The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”So here we have this so-called church with 1.2 billion followers and their HQ is not only located in a city with seven hills, but they esteem Mary as the Mother of God too.
Revelation 18:4
Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues;Satan has deceived the whole world as it is written, but not all are deceived, for not all are of this world.
Christ is coming back for a bride without spot or blemish.
Hi Robyn,
When I was reborn the Spirit kept showing me more and more that was not right in catholicism. I tried to tell others but soon was avoided and labelled a rebel. I eventually had to leave because I was being divided as person and not happy anymore with the system of religion.
I felt as though I was travelling on a ship in the wrong destination heading for an iceberg but could have no useful influence in changing direction of that ship as the door to the bridge was locked , the wheel tied down and none in there seemed in interested in my concerns.
I felt it safer to jump overboard into the sea and take my chances there.
It was the best, but the most difficult decision of my life.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 21 2006,06:15) Hi Robyn,
When I was reborn the Spirit kept showing me more and more that was not right in catholicism. I tried to tell others but soon was avoided and labelled a rebel. I evenetul;ly had to leave because I was being divided a sa person and not happy anymore with the sysytem of religion.
I felt as though I was travelling on a ship in the wrong destination heading for an iceberg but could have no useful influence in changing direction of that ship as the door to the bridge was locked , the wheel tied down and none in there seemed in interested in my concerns.
I felt it safer to jump overboard into the sea and take my chances there.
It was the best, but the most difficult decision of my life.
Well Nick…what can I say? You are right and everyone else is wrong. the gospel of Jesus Christ circles around you.Hi Robyn,
I just wanted to say bless you and my seminary's director is Catholic even though the studies are ecumenical. He is one of the most knowledgable people I know on how to live the Gospel of Christ even if I do not agree with all of his theology.
You mentioned belief in the Nicene Creed? Did you know that the Catholic Church also wrote the Apostles Creed? The Aposlte's Creed predates and was written long before the Nicene Creed and then later the Athanasian Creed of the 4th century.
The Apostles Creed makes no mention of Jesus being God. It clearly says that God is the Father and His Son is the Lord Jesus. The point I am making is that none of these creeds of men are in the Bible so we should not take them as Gospel. Second of all, if you read the Apostles Creed and compare it to the Athanasian Creed, they are worlds apart. This shows that the trinity was a developing idea, not taught by anyone in the Bible. In fact the word trinity or triune do not appear in the Codices text at all.
Regarding your post to Nick here:
“Well Nick…what can I say? You are right and everyone else is wrong. the gospel of Jesus Christ circles around you.”
If Nick is wrong or somehow uninformed as to scripture, it is your duty to correct him using the Bible. Titus 1:9 says, “We must hold to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.” Making sweeping statements like that does not qualify as such. When people post things like that, it is a clear indicator that they can not come back with a scriptural rebuttal to prove their beliefs.
Semmy
Quote (seminarian @ Aug. 21 2006,17:51) If Nick is wrong or somehow uninformed as to scripture, it is your duty to correct him……….
Nope..Nick is right… and so are you semmy. Everything is right because you think it..therfore it is correct and Gods way.The only thing that is right is the Word of God. The only one who lived a life without sin was Jesus. The reason Jesus came to earth was to do what man could not do that was to live a life without sin.
Yet, today, man still struggles. Why? Because he adds and takes away from the Word of God and because he walks in the flesh instead of the Spirit. Until man understands that it is only by allowing Christ to work through him does he have hope of escaping sin. And that not of himself, but through Christ.
Robyn, do not listen to anyone other then God. Don't accept what any tell you. If you really are sincere in your heart, the Lord will reveal the truth to you if you let him. Everyone has an opinion and most here agree that the catholic church is not a good place to be, but that is for you and you alone to decide. That is between you and God. I just ask that you go to the Father with a sincere heart, because I believe if you do, he will open your eyes to his will. That is what is important. We must be open to his will. If you ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins and pray to the Father to reveal to you the truth in this matter, he will.
Quote (Robyn † @ Aug. 21 2006,18:32) Quote (seminarian @ Aug. 21 2006,17:51) If Nick is wrong or somehow uninformed as to scripture, it is your duty to correct him……….
Nope..Nick is right… and so are you semmy. Everything is right because you think it..therfore it is correct and Gods way.
Hi Robyn,
Shooting the messengers will not destroy the everlasting message of peace from God.Holy Day of Obligation
In the Roman Catholicism religion, August 15 is the Holy Day of Obligation known as the Feast of the Assumption. The Blessed Mary assumes her place in Heaven with Jesus Christ.
August fifteenth is the Feast of the Assumption of the Blessed Mary. Nothing is certain about the day, year, or how Mary left this Earth. Catholics, however, celebrate her departure on this particular feast.The Assumption of Mary has two purposes. The first is that we celebrate the happy departure of Mary from this physical life on Earth. The second purpose is the assumption of her body into Heaven. Two cities claim to be the place of Mary's last days. The cities are Jerusalem and Ephesus. Most people believe it was in Jerusalem because her tomb is there.
The origin of this feast is uncertain. Most believe that it is more the anniversary of the dedication of the Church.
August 15 gradually became the day we celebrate the anniversary of the assumption. Many fundamentalists have difficulty with the belief of the assumption. The word assumption does not appear in Sacred Scriptures. However, we need to reflect on the mystery of the Blessed Mother, and that provides the foundation for the belief of the assumption.
Catholics believe that from the moment of her conception, Mary had no sin including original sin. She was recognized for being full of grace and blessed among all women. Mary was chosen to be the mother of Christ.Although Gospel citations are sparse, Mary always presented the Lord to others. Jesus did what His mother asked Him to do at Cana such as turning water into wine. This was His first miracle. Mary supported Jesus through out His suffering on the cross. She was with the apostles at Pentecost.
Mary was a faithful servant of God through out her entire life. For these reasons, Catholics believe that Mary was assumed into heaven, she completed her course of her earthly life. Recognizing all of Mary's actions, Catholics believe that Mary was lifted into Heaven.
Dear Robyn,
Here is one of several celebrations by this religion that is practiced. Where in the Holy Scriptures does it say that we are to do this?
Our Lady of The Rosary Novena Prayer
My dearest Mother Mary, behold me, your child, in prayer at your feet. Accept this Holy Rosary, which I offer you in accordance with your requests at Fatima, as a proof of my tender love for you, for the intentions of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, in atonement for the offenses committed against your Immaculate Heart, and for this special favor which I earnestly request in my Rosary Novena:
Dear Robyn,
Now this one of the many prayers to Mary by the catholic church. Read what this prayer says. What offenses against Mary's heart is it referring to that needs atoned? Who's offenses is it referring to? Is this not asking Mary for forgiveness of sin? Where is that is the Holy Scriptures?
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