Catholicism

[Robyn †]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 27 2006,11:07)

HI Robyn, My roots are also almost 100% Irish, the name coming from Derry in Ireland though it would be about seven generations back. Being brought up as one of 13 in a very traditional catholic family, all the rest of whom still remain catholic, we lived the culture fully. Masses, Benediction, Eucharist, stations of the cross, saints, vestments and incense, holy days of obligation, singing, stained glass, there was a beauty in the artfoms but it was unfulfilling and empty. I discovered the bible and started to love it till other aspects of religion faded into true perspective.

Wow…it is a small world. I am from Derry too. I can't understand why you left the Church. The Faith is in our families. How could you leave your family?

[NickHassan]

Hi Robyn,
My brother went back to our town of origin in Ireland and looked up the phonebook to seek out relatives. He knocked on the door of one of our name and was met by a surly man.
After explaining his mission he was asked one question.
“What side of the family are you from, catholic or protestant?”
When he replied catholic he was told
“Then I do not wish to speak with you”
and the door was closed in his face.

That is politics and not faith in my view.

[NickHassan]

Quote (Robyn † @ Aug. 27 2006,20:37)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 27 2006,11:07) HI Robyn, My roots are also almost 100% Irish, the name coming from Derry in Ireland though it would be about seven generations back. Being brought up as one of 13 in a very traditional catholic family, all the rest of whom still remain catholic, we lived the culture fully. Masses, Benediction, Eucharist, stations of the cross, saints, vestments and incense, holy days of obligation, singing, stained glass, there was a beauty in the artfoms but it was unfulfilling and empty. I discovered the bible and started to love it till other aspects of religion faded into true perspective. Wow…it is a small world.  I am from Derry too.  I can't understand why you left the Church.  The Faith is in our families.  How could you leave your family?

Hi Robyn,
You have to leave your natural family to be joined with the heavenly one. We still all get on very well and my witness has not been useless. Now I have far more brothers and sisters.
Our own children have all followed Jesus.

[Robyn †]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 27 2006,20:38)

Hi Robyn, My brother went back to our town of origin in Ireland and looked up the phonebook to seek out relatives. He knocked on the door of one of our name and was met by a surly man. After explaining his mission he was asked one question. “What side of the family are you from, catholic or protestant?” When he replied catholic he was told “Then I do not wish to speak with you” and the door was closed in his face. That is politics and not faith in my view.

Oh..I know what you mean. It use to be worse. That is why we left. I am from the McAllister Clan. What is your clan?

The politics in Ireland effected my life. I even have a section of that on my web page.

http://catholicgirl.homestead.com/IRA.html

[NickHassan]

Hi Robyn,
My name is my name.
And I do not have any political axes to grind.

[He’s Coming in the Clouds]

Dear Robyn,

The Word of God existed before the catholic church. There was many copies floating around among the churches. When the catholic church rose to power and began to exercise influence of dominance, it attempted to monopolize all copies of scripture. Yet, the tighter the grip it held on God's Word, the more God's Word slipped through their fingers. It was for this reason when the King of England gave the order to bring about a translation that there was over 5000 hand written Holy Writs that were used in the work of the translation of the King James bible. So don't think the catholic bible is anything special, for it isn't. It was changed to adorn the catholic idealogy. It is the words of men who have do more damage to the gospel of Christ then any religion in existance today. They changed how God told us to be baptized and that in in self caused the church to become powerless and opened the door to seducing spirits. They also caused the corruption of many religions that were branched off from the catholic church. Even through they broke away from the catholic church for different reasons, they still held some of the basic beliefs of the catholic church as truth. Such as the baptism of water and the words used in the ministering of the baptism. This was not done according to scripture and still is not done today by the Catholic, Methodist or Presbyterian churches to name a few.

[NickHassan]

Hi H,
So if we imitate the actions and words of the apostles in Acts we should be following the way of Jesus in these matters as we have no new instructions to follow.

Repent, believe and be [water]baptised in the name of Jesus Christ and you will receive the Holy Spirit.

[He’s Coming in the Clouds]

Repent, believe in Jesus with all of your heart. Receive the baptism of water in the name of Jesus. Be baptized in the Holy Spirit in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

[NickHassan]

Hi H,
In whose name did they baptise in Acts?

[He’s Coming in the Clouds]

Matt. 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

[NickHassan]

Hi H,
But what did they DO in Acts?

[He’s Coming in the Clouds]

Exactly what I posted.

[He’s Coming in the Clouds]

Men were saved by faith. Then were baptized by water in the name of Jesus and also baptized in the Holy Spirit in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. Not in any order though, with the exception of salvation. Yet, the baptism of the HS often times came by God without the laying on of hands as on the day of Pentecost.

[NickHassan]

Hi H,
Is there a record of the apostles laying on hands in any name?
Did they do it in the name of the Spirit,
who has only the name of the Father?

We know it is Jesus who baptises in the Spirit from the testimony of JTB.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Catholics believe that taking the bread and wine as Jesus at Mass is the way Jesus comes to live in you. Thus the more often you go to mass the more Jesus is in you.

This also highlights the importance of the 'priests' and the whole system because you are taught that they change the bread and wine, by the power of the Holy Spirit, into the body and blood of Jesus.

TRAPPED BY THEIR BELIEFS
INTO DEPENDANCE ON
AND OBEDIENCE TO
MEN
ROBS THEM OF TRUTH.

[david]

As for the Lady who quoted the following scripture only understood the verse AND NOT THE CONTEXT…

Luk 14:26 IF ANY MAN COME TO ME, AND HATE NOT HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND WIFE AND CHILDREN AND BRETHREN AND SISTERS, YEA AND HIS OWN LIFE ALSO, HE CANNOT BE MY DISCIPLE.

LETS READ THE MESSAGE IN FULL CONTEXT!

I have no idea what you're referring to here, or why you mention this scripture. But yes, let's both look at the full context.

I would like to just state this again: I find it odd that in 1 timothy 3, it starts out this way:

1 TIMOTHY 3:1-4
“That statement is faithful. If any man is reaching out for an office of overseer [some bibles use the word “bishop” here], he is desirous of a fine work. The overseer should therefore be irreprehensible, a HUSBAND OF ONE WIFE, moderate in habits, sound in mind, orderly, hospitable, qualified to teach, not a drunken brawler, not a smiter, but reasonable, not belligerent, not a lover of money, a man presiding over his own household in a fine manner, having children in subjection with all seriousness;”

These are what we could call the qualifications for an overseer. So as you say, it is better if you can refrain from marriage, to serve the lord, but not at all required. An overseer definitely without question can get married, and in fact, the Bible says to not refrain from marriage if you will get inflamed with passion. To be inflamed with passion could lead to you doing bad things.
Anyway, after 1 tim 3 says this, on the same page in my Bible, in the beginning of chapter 4:
1 TIMOTHY 4:1-3
“However, the inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons, by the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, marked in their conscience as with a branding iron; forbidding to marry, commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be partaken of with thanksgiving by those who have faith and accurately know the truth.”

So if the Catholics aren't the so called Christians who fell away from the faith and commanded some not to marry and not to eat certain food, who does this apply to? I guess it could apply to others. but no one comes to mind.

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With Love I will pray for you. You probably don’t like what I have written but it’s only because I care for you, otherwise I wouldn’t waste my time!

Well thank you. Are you by any chance a priest?

Nothing you said bothered me. I knew what the Bible said about refraining from marriage if possible and what it says about forbidding to marry. And I still know what it says.
So, are you saying that some of the divisions of the Catholic church allow the clergy to marry whereas other divisions of it don't? If so, wouldn't one of them have to be wrong?

I also noticed you didn't touch on infant baptism, bloodshed, etc. Is that because this one scripture (1 tim 4) seems to point so directly to the Catholic church, and is more bothering to you? Just wondering why you chose to discuss that.

david.

[david]

ok, sorry scripture seeker. I don't know what happened to to the top half of my post. I'm missing about 2/3 of it. sorry.

I spent a lot of time agreeing with you that it's better not to marry, but spent a lot of time talking about this scripture:
1 CORINTHIANS 7:9
“But if they do not have self-control, let them marry, for it is better to marry than to be inflamed [with passion].”

Summing up what I somehow lost: Yes, better to refrain, but nowhere a command. And commanding to refrain could and has lead to bad things.

[wind_slasher52]

bretheren you can understand the scriptures if you have a HOLY GHOST,it will guide you into the whole truth

[NickHassan]

Hi WS,
Yes the Spirit of God reveals the scriptures for us
and shows us God has a Son,
that He sent to rescue us from the wrath
He plans for mankind because of sin.

Eternal life is in the Son of God.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Catholics believe Mary, and those the pope says are saints, are in heaven. As such they believe they can help us on earth and so they are encouraged to pray to them. The ones who are said to be in heaven have to be proven to be there by the answering of prayers made to them and the more such “miracles” that can be “shown” the quicker is their progress to being called a saint.

Folly upon folly
Lies upon lies.

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