Can god be tempted?

[Worshipping Jesus]

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 10 2010,05:44) Quote (david @ April 09 2010,03:14) Quote And he called the name of the place Massah, and Meribah, because of the chiding of the children of Israel, and because they “tempted (Heb-nacah) ” the LORD, saying, Is the LORD among us, or not?  Exod 17:7 Ye shall not “tempt (Heb-nacah)” the LORD your God, as ye tempted (Heb-nacah) him in Massah. Deut 6:16 When your fathers “tempted (Heb-nacah)” me, proved me, and saw my work. Pss 95:9 WJ, how would you define the use of the word that is translated “tempted” in these verses? Would it be the same meaning where Jesus was tempted to do bad? What is your definition or meaning of the word in those instances above? David Would it be wrong to tempt a man to the point he wanted to kill you? YHWH was tempted to the point that he did kill them. But he is God so who can say he is a murderer. He gives life and he takes it away. But he can be tempted! Jesus was tempted by satan from without, but there was nothing in him to respond. It was not a hard thing for him who had the Spirit without measure to resist him! It was a hard thing to be without food for 40 days! WJ I would like more research on the use of that word as used with reference to God. To me, when I read it in context, it seems to mean “challenged,” not “tempted” as we understand it today. I just checked: (Heb. 'nacah'—'to try, put to the test, provoke, etc.') None of those things mean to “tempt” as we commonly understand it today. My Bible translates it “put to the test.”  It seems to mean “put to the test.” http://westover.searchgodsword.org/lex….ion=nsn WJ, are you quoting from the KJ by any chance?

David

Do further research and you will see that the word for tempted in the Hebrew scriptures was translated in the LXX as the same NT Greek word used for the temptations of Jesus.

The point is Jesus could not be tempted with evil like sinful man because there was no sin or sinful nature in him.

If Heb 4:15 means what those who seek to make Jesus after our image means, then Jesus would have been tempted with every sin known to man including to murder, rape, molest a child, have sex with a man or a beast and temptations to evil to mention which all come from the lust within the fallen nature of man, James 1:14. Jesus did not have a fallen nature, and I challenge anyone to prove that he did.

Jesus said those things come from within the heart of the man.

Unfortunately for the “mere man Jesus is like us in every way followers”, that blows there measly man made jesus to pieces!

Jesus had likeness of sinful flesh, but there was nothing in him to respond to the evil temptations of this world for he was not of this world!

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (david @ April 09 2010,23:27)

BOTH GOD AND JESUS WERE “PUT TO THE TEST.”  But only Jesus was put to the test in the form of being tempted. Quite the lovely false argument.  It was actually sort of clever for a second or two.

David

I guess you totally missed the point of the thread.

It is a straw to say that Jesus is not God because God cannot be tempted when in fact the scriptures tells us in James that God cannot be tempted with evil.

The point being Jesus was not tempted with evil for their was no sin or evil nature within him.

So it is like you say Jesus was put to the test like the Father.

However sinful man has an evil nature that lures him to do evil from within for everyman is tempted when he is drawn away with his “OWN LUST”.

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

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WJ, Please post a critique of my post. I cannot exist unless you show objection to the truth.

JA

There is nothing in your post scripturally to critique, only a bunch of mumbo jumbo and more childish diatribe and accusations without any substance at all!

WJ

[JustAskin]

WJ,

Thank you for your response.

Your manner of your answer is sufficient in itself.

[terraricca]

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Quote (david @ April 09 2010,23:27) BOTH GOD AND JESUS WERE “PUT TO THE TEST.”  But only Jesus was put to the test in the form of being tempted. Quite the lovely false argument.  It was actually sort of clever for a second or two. David I guess you totally missed the point of the thread. It is a straw to say that Jesus is not God because God cannot be tempted when in fact the scriptures tells us in James that God cannot be tempted with evil. The point being Jesus was not tempted with evil for their was no sin or evil nature within him. So it is like you say Jesus was put to the test like the Father. However sinful man has an evil nature that lures him to do evil from within for everyman is tempted when he is drawn away with his “OWN LUST”. WJ

WJ

you are wrong ,Jesus is not God ,Jesus as man was tempted at the higher level see and understand how he got tempted,

you would never received a offer like he did,the world was offered to Christ.

what save Christ, is his attachment to God the love for what was righteous and true,his GOD and father.

you thinking as a corrupted man, what you are only by the fact that you have believed in the paganism trinity,

this will not protect you in further corruption because if you corrupted you mind and heart there is nothing to stop you of degrading more and more.this is what James talked about.

[martian]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 11 2010,03:07)

Quote (david @ April 09 2010,23:22) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 10 2010,05:44) Quote (david @ April 09 2010,03:14) Quote And he called the name of the place Massah, and Meribah, because of the chiding of the children of Israel, and because they “tempted (Heb-nacah) ” the LORD, saying, Is the LORD among us, or not?  Exod 17:7 Ye shall not “tempt (Heb-nacah)” the LORD your God, as ye tempted (Heb-nacah) him in Massah. Deut 6:16 When your fathers “tempted (Heb-nacah)” me, proved me, and saw my work. Pss 95:9 WJ, how would you define the use of the word that is translated “tempted” in these verses? Would it be the same meaning where Jesus was tempted to do bad? What is your definition or meaning of the word in those instances above? David Would it be wrong to tempt a man to the point he wanted to kill you? YHWH was tempted to the point that he did kill them. But he is God so who can say he is a murderer. He gives life and he takes it away. But he can be tempted! Jesus was tempted by satan from without, but there was nothing in him to respond. It was not a hard thing for him who had the Spirit without measure to resist him! It was a hard thing to be without food for 40 days! WJ I would like more research on the use of that word as used with reference to God. To me, when I read it in context, it seems to mean “challenged,” not “tempted” as we understand it today. I just checked: (Heb. 'nacah'—'to try, put to the test, provoke, etc.') None of those things mean to “tempt” as we commonly understand it today. My Bible translates it “put to the test.”  It seems to mean “put to the test.” http://westover.searchgodsword.org/lex….ion=nsn WJ, are you quoting from the KJ by any chance? David Do further research and you will see that the word for tempted in the Hebrew scriptures was translated in the LXX as the same NT Greek word used for the temptations of Jesus. The point is Jesus could not be tempted with evil like sinful man because there was no sin or sinful nature in him. If Heb 4:15 means what those who seek to make Jesus after our image means, then Jesus would have been tempted with every sin known to man including to murder, rape, molest a child, have sex with a man or a beast and temptations to evil to mention which all come from the lust within the fallen nature of man, James 1:14. Jesus did not have a fallen nature, and I challenge anyone to prove that he did. Jesus said those things come from within the heart of the man. Unfortunately for the “mere man Jesus is like us in every way followers”, that blows there measly man made jesus to pieces! Jesus had likeness of sinful flesh, but there was nothing in him to respond to the evil temptations of this world for he was not of this world! WJ

How do you know what Jesus was tempted with? Scripture says he was tempted like all men. Just because they are not listed to satisfy you does not mean they did not occur.
Secondly, if Jesus had a nature unlike the rest of humanity, He is not like us. Not like his brethren in every way. ANOTHER CONTRADICTION.
If Jesus is different in his nature then he can never be a perfect example for us. How can we use his example of overcoming sin if he is tempted in another way then us? We are tempted in our supposed sinful nature and he is not.

[terraricca]

Quote (martian @ April 11 2010,10:23)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 11 2010,03:07) Quote (david @ April 09 2010,23:22) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 10 2010,05:44) Quote (david @ April 09 2010,03:14) Quote And he called the name of the place Massah, and Meribah, because of the chiding of the children of Israel, and because they “tempted (Heb-nacah) ” the LORD, saying, Is the LORD among us, or not?  Exod 17:7 Ye shall not “tempt (Heb-nacah)” the LORD your God, as ye tempted (Heb-nacah) him in Massah. Deut 6:16 When your fathers “tempted (Heb-nacah)” me, proved me, and saw my work. Pss 95:9 WJ, how would you define the use of the word that is translated “tempted” in these verses? Would it be the same meaning where Jesus was tempted to do bad? What is your definition or meaning of the word in those instances above? David Would it be wrong to tempt a man to the point he wanted to kill you? YHWH was tempted to the point that he did kill them. But he is God so who can say he is a murderer. He gives life and he takes it away. But he can be tempted! Jesus was tempted by satan from without, but there was nothing in him to respond. It was not a hard thing for him who had the Spirit without measure to resist him! It was a hard thing to be without food for 40 days! WJ I would like more research on the use of that word as used with reference to God. To me, when I read it in context, it seems to mean “challenged,” not “tempted” as we understand it today. I just checked: (Heb. 'nacah'—'to try, put to the test, provoke, etc.') None of those things mean to “tempt” as we commonly understand it today. My Bible translates it “put to the test.”  It seems to mean “put to the test.” http://westover.searchgodsword.org/lex….ion=nsn WJ, are you quoting from the KJ by any chance? David Do further research and you will see that the word for tempted in the Hebrew scriptures was translated in the LXX as the same NT Greek word used for the temptations of Jesus. The point is Jesus could not be tempted with evil like sinful man because there was no sin or sinful nature in him. If Heb 4:15 means what those who seek to make Jesus after our image means, then Jesus would have been tempted with every sin known to man including to murder, rape, molest a child, have sex with a man or a beast and temptations to evil to mention which all come from the lust within the fallen nature of man, James 1:14. Jesus did not have a fallen nature, and I challenge anyone to prove that he did. Jesus said those things come from within the heart of the man. Unfortunately for the “mere man Jesus is like us in every way followers”, that blows there measly man made jesus to pieces! Jesus had likeness of sinful flesh, but there was nothing in him to respond to the evil temptations of this world for he was not of this world! WJ How do you know what Jesus was tempted with? Scripture says he was tempted like all men. Just because they are not listed to satisfy you does not mean they did not occur. Secondly, if Jesus had a nature unlike the rest of humanity, He is not like us. Not like his brethren in every way. ANOTHER CONTRADICTION. If Jesus is different in his nature then he can never be a perfect example for us. How can we use his example of overcoming sin if he is tempted in another way then us? We are tempted in our supposed sinful nature and he is not.

Martian

it would be good you read the 4 gospels again to refresh your memory,and look at the live of Christ trough is ministry.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (martian @ April 10 2010,18:23)

How do you know what Jesus was tempted with? Scripture says he was tempted like all men. Just because they are not listed to satisfy you does not mean they did not occur.

martian

That is rather circular isn't it? For all you have is satan tempting Jesus with three things. Yet Jesus speedily rebukes him and quotes scritpures to him.

What evil desires would you accuse our Lord of? James 1:14 What sin could come out of his heart? Mk 7:21-23

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (martian @ April 10 2010,18:23)

Secondly, if Jesus had a nature unlike the rest of humanity, He is not like us. Not like his brethren in every way. ANOTHER CONTRADICTION.

If Jesus was like us in everyway he would have been a sinner also wouldn't he?

Jesus had the Holy Spirit without measure didn't he. So that means your man made theory that Jesus was in everyway like us blows apart!

Jesus had no evil nature and I challenge you to show me how he did!

WJ

[terraricca]

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Quote (martian @ April 10 2010,18:23) Secondly, if Jesus had a nature unlike the rest of humanity, He is not like us. Not like his brethren in every way. ANOTHER CONTRADICTION. If Jesus was like us in everyway he would have been a sinner also wouldn't he? Jesus had the Holy Spirit without measure didn't he. So that means your man made theory that Jesus was in everyway like us blows apart! Jesus had no evil nature and I challenge you to show me how he did! WJ

WJ
so was Adam he did not have a evil nature,

is nature only changed after he has sin.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (terraricca @ April 10 2010,20:23)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 11 2010,10:41) Quote (martian @ April 10 2010,18:23) Secondly, if Jesus had a nature unlike the rest of humanity, He is not like us. Not like his brethren in every way. ANOTHER CONTRADICTION. If Jesus was like us in everyway he would have been a sinner also wouldn't he? Jesus had the Holy Spirit without measure didn't he. So that means your man made theory that Jesus was in everyway like us blows apart! Jesus had no evil nature and I challenge you to show me how he did! WJ WJ so was Adam  he did not have a evil nature, is nature only changed after he has sin.

Adam didn't have the Spirit without measure did he?

WJ

[terraricca]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 11 2010,12:51)

Quote (terraricca @ April 10 2010,20:23) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 11 2010,10:41) Quote (martian @ April 10 2010,18:23) Secondly, if Jesus had a nature unlike the rest of humanity, He is not like us. Not like his brethren in every way. ANOTHER CONTRADICTION. If Jesus was like us in everyway he would have been a sinner also wouldn't he? Jesus had the Holy Spirit without measure didn't he. So that means your man made theory that Jesus was in everyway like us blows apart! Jesus had no evil nature and I challenge you to show me how he did! WJ WJ so was Adam  he did not have a evil nature, is nature only changed after he has sin. Adam didn't have the Spirit without measure did he? WJ

WJ

Adam did not have to facing all what Jesus hat to,
so it would have been given to him in time,
but he corrupted himself.

[terraricca]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 11 2010,03:18)

Quote (david @ April 09 2010,23:27) BOTH GOD AND JESUS WERE “PUT TO THE TEST.”  But only Jesus was put to the test in the form of being tempted. Quite the lovely false argument.  It was actually sort of clever for a second or two. David I guess you totally missed the point of the thread. It is a straw to say that Jesus is not God because God cannot be tempted when in fact the scriptures tells us in James that God cannot be tempted with evil. The point being Jesus was not tempted with evil for their was no sin or evil nature within him. So it is like you say Jesus was put to the test like the Father. However sinful man has an evil nature that lures him to do evil from within for everyman is tempted when he is drawn away with his “OWN LUST”. WJ

WJ

you say;However sinful man has an evil nature that lures him to do evil from within for everyman is tempted when he is drawn away with his “OWN LUST”.

WJ

it is not quite that way ,you see everything resides in the spirit and the heart and mind;

remember Jesus said :if you look at a women so intensely you have all ready sin,

we are all free to chose from the outside what buss us in our mind and heart and with the volume of bad thoughts we may end up with a sinful nature ,what means total corruption of the spirit in us (mind,heart,and so actions)

[martian]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 11 2010,12:51)

Quote (terraricca @ April 10 2010,20:23) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 11 2010,10:41) Quote (martian @ April 10 2010,18:23) Secondly, if Jesus had a nature unlike the rest of humanity, He is not like us. Not like his brethren in every way. ANOTHER CONTRADICTION. If Jesus was like us in everyway he would have been a sinner also wouldn't he? Jesus had the Holy Spirit without measure didn't he. So that means your man made theory that Jesus was in everyway like us blows apart! Jesus had no evil nature and I challenge you to show me how he did! WJ WJ so was Adam  he did not have a evil nature, is nature only changed after he has sin. Adam didn't have the Spirit without measure did he? WJ

You base one false doctrine on another false doctrine.
Man is not born with a sin nature. He is born into a fallen world where things do not function as they were intended. Babies do not sin. For someone to believe that would be to say that aborted babies or infants that die go to hell. That would not be in the nature of the God I serve.
There is a point of accountability that is judged by God and God alone. From that point on the child makes choices of right and wrong.

Man is capable of receiving the Spirit without measure. Our sin gets in the way. But if we open our hearts in conjunction with the blood of Christ we have that Spirit available to us.
Either we are to be one with our father as Christ was one with him or not.
Either we are to be perfect without spot or wrinkle or not.
Either we are called to be perfect like our father in heaven is or not.
Either we are joint heirs with Christ or not.
Either christ is human or not. There is no in between the two.
Either Christ is tempted like all men or not.
Either christ is made like his brothers in every way or not.

None of the double talk and misleading jargon can change any of the above.

[david]

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Do further research and you will see that the word for tempted in the Hebrew scriptures was translated in the LXX as the same NT Greek word used for the temptations of Jesus.

–wj

I know it was. I don't think you understand what I'm saying.

It was not the word “tempt” that was in that Hebrew Scriptures or the LXX.
The actual word meant 'to try, put to the test, provoke'). Now, SOMETIMES you can “try” someone by “tempting” them. But to “tempt” is NOT what that word specifically means.

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The point is Jesus could not be tempted with evil like sinful man because there was no sin or sinful nature in him.

I agree there was no sin in Jesus, but he could be “tempted” (an english word) or “tried” by the Devil, and many translations translate it “to be tempted by the Devil.”

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Jesus did not have a fallen nature, and I challenge anyone to prove that he did.

I am on your side with that. I believe that the holy spirit covered over and protected Jesus from having the stain of inherited imperfection/sin, that man normally has. He, like the first adam, was perfect, without inherited sin, or “fallen nature.”

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Jesus had likeness of sinful flesh, but there was nothing in him to respond to the evil temptations of this world for he was not of this world!

Well…Jesus “became flesh” and flesh needs to eat. One way the devil “tried” (or tempted) him was with bread, after not eating for quite some time. Even though Jesus did not have inherited sin, he still had a desire to eat, and the longer he didn't eat, the greater that desire would be. For the Devil to say to him to turn some stones into bread would indeed be a bit tempting, having been fasting.

WJ, Adam did not have “fallen nature,” but he certainly sinned. If it was incapable for Jesus to sin, then does this not diminish everything he did for us?

[barley]

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Quote (martian @ Mar. 27 2010,12:17) When I have questioned  WJ about the impossibility of God becoming a man, he has replied (in essence) that his God can do anything. Hi ALL The above response is a fallacy and a ludicrous assumption that God cannot appear in what ever form he would like. Found here. This is one of the many ways that Arians create red herrings and straw mans in an attempt to reduce YHWH and his unlimited power to do or become whatever he wants! I AM THAT I AM…Ehyeh asher ehyeh is generally interpreted to mean I am that I am, though it more literally translates as “I-shall-be that I-shall-be“! Wikipedia Yes it is true God who made man in his own image can take on that image. Nothing is impossible to God except sin. And we know that Jesus never sinned! Temptation is not sin, and God was touched with the feelings of our infirmities, but he was also moved to wrath by men tempting him. Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: “for God cannot be tempted with evil“, neither tempteth he any man: James 1:13 The Arians always say “God cannot be tempted”, leaving out part of the scripture. But as you can see it says “God cannot be tempted with evil“! But has or can God be tempted? Sure he can… And he called the name of the place Massah, and Meribah, because of the chiding of the children of Israel, and because they “tempted (Heb-nacah) ” the LORD, saying, Is the LORD among us, or not? Exod 17:7 Ye shall not “tempt (Heb-nacah)” the LORD your God, as ye tempted (Heb-nacah) him in Massah. Deut 6:16 When your fathers “tempted (Heb-nacah)” me, proved me, and saw my work. Pss 95:9 The Hebrew word “nacah” was translated in the Greek Septuagint as “πειράζειν” peirazō which is the same Greek word used in James 1:13-15 and Matt 4:1-11 where Jesus was “tempted” of the devil. So God cannot be tempted with evil but God can be tempted. Jesus was tempted in all points like us but not with evil for James goes on to say… But “every man is tempted“, when he is “drawn away of his own lust, and enticed“. James 1:14 Jesus did not have lust for lust conceives and brings forth sin. It is sin in our members that Paul talks about in Romans 7 and every man was conceived in it. Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and “in sin did my mother conceive me“. Pss 51:5 So James goes on to say… Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. James 1:15 A simple example of the sin nature in man is a little new born baby. You do not have to teach that little baby how to throw a temper tantrum or to be deceitful, devious or to even lie or steal when they grow older. It is in the fallen human nature passed down from the first Adam. The Blood of Jesus is the Blood of God and his flesh never saw corruption, (Acts 20:28 – Acts 2:31) which makes him the “Second Adam” without sin or a sin nature. (Heb 4:5 – 2 Cor 5:21 – 1 Peter 2:22) This is why the scriptures use the terms “Likeness of sinful flesh” or “likeness of men” in referring to Jesus and no other. (Rom 8:3 – Phil 2:7). He was in the flesh without the fallen sinful nature. Since the “First Adam” a soulish being who was without sin when he was created, failed because of the weakness of the flesh, (Mark 14:38, Rom 8:3) God sent Jesus the Word that was with God and was God to become a “Son” (John 1:1 – John 1:14) so that he as a “quickening Spirit” (1 Cor 15:45) the Second Adam would condemn sin in the flesh and be the first of a New Creation of “Sons of God” that walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit and thereby overcome the world, the flesh, and the devil through the Spirit of Christ that dwells in them. (Phil 4:13 – Rom 8:1-11 – 1 John 4:4, 5) If God wants to take on human form then he can and in fact he has and did. (Phil 2:6-8 – John 1:1-3) John didn't say that those who do not confess Jesus is a man is “Anti-Christ”, Johns language was anyone who denies Jesus has “come in the flesh” is “Anti-Christ”. And every spirit that confesseth not that “Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 John 4:3 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that “Jesus Christ is come in the flesh“. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 2 John 1:7 God has also come to live in our flesh, so why is it so illogical that he would come in his own flesh and with his own blood to condemn sin in the flesh? (Acts 20:28) Oh, that’s right, he did. (John 1:1, 14, 18 Phil 2:6-8 NIV, NET) Beyond all question, “the mystery of godliness is great“: “HE APPEARED IN A BODY“, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory. 1 Tim 3:16 (Some manuscripts say God appeared) Blessings WJ

As you pointed out, Jesus Christ was tempted in all ways such as we are yet was without sin.  all ways include tempted with evil, is there any other thing that would be tempting?  Is there such a thing as being tempted with good?  

As you also correctly pointed out,  men are tempted when they are drawn away of their own lust and enticed.  

Therefore Jesus Christ was drawn away by own lust and enticed.  Now, as you pointed out temptation is not sin.  Jesus Christ did not sin, but he was tempted to.  He was certainly not a lustful man, but being a man, he was able to have desires, but he calmed those desires and overcame them.  Even as we are to do.

The basic meaning of tempt is to prove or try.   See Young's concordance.  In Malachi 3:10,  God says, prove me now herewith……     It may be necessary to double check context in order to sort out each situation.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Hi All

Recently someone on this forum said this…

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OK let's do it your way.  Since Jesus is not like us in every way then he cannot be tempted in all ways like us.

This is a fallacy and a misrepresentation of the scriptures, for Jesus would have to be like the rapist and the Murderer and the child molester and be tempted with every imaginable evil to be like us in every way!

This is anathema because it means that they make Jesus after their own image and not the image of God!

It is an age old straw man argument by the Arians to deny that Jesus is God because they say God cannot be tempted.

Does Jesus have to be like sinful man in everyway, or is it the other way around that we should be like him?

Was Jesus tempted to molest or rape a child?

Was he tempted to put a dagger through someones heart from bitterness or anger?

Was he tempted to have sex with a man or beast?

Was he tempted to have sex with a dead corpse?

These are all temptations from the sickest and vilest of the human race.

Did Jesus have to be like them to save them? Did Jesus have those kind of temptations coming out of his heart?

These carnal men have created and serve a Jesus after their own image, and not the Jesus of the scriptures “in whom” there was no guile or ability to be tempted like the most evil of men.

The temptations of Jesus had to do with human weakness and suffering and not from wicked sin that was in him.

Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? But “those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:” These are [the things] which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man. Matt 15:17-20

Which one of these things was in Jesus heart?

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: “But every man is tempted, WHEN HE IS DRAWN AWAY OF HIS OWN LUST, AND ENTICED“. James 1:13, 14

What lust did Jesus have within him to be drawn away and enticed?

Satan is the “Tempter” and came and found nothing in him.

Satan tried to “Tempt” him in all points like us. But Jesus was not drawn away by “HIS (satans)TEMPTATIONS” because there was nothing in Jesus to respond!

WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
Should you build a godman from your imagination?
God's strength shows up best in weak people.

Best to be meek and humble and weak like Jesus so that God can give you strength

[terraricca]

all

Jesus was a man and so in the like s of us,one slide difference his body was not corrupted by Adam offspring,(the dead penalty for sinners) this is why his father as to be God.

any men born of men as to die because of Adam sin.

Christ came to allow us to chose a different road. the road to receive live everlasting ,this is why Christ give up his live .

Pierre

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 25 2010,15:34)

Hi All Recently someone on this forum said this… Quote OK let's do it your way.  Since Jesus is not like us in every way then he cannot be tempted in all ways like us. This is a fallacy and a misrepresentation of the scriptures, for Jesus would have to be like the rapist and the Murderer and the child molester and be tempted with every imaginable evil to be like us in every way! This is anathema because it means that they make Jesus after their own image and not the image of God! It is an age old straw man argument by the Arians to deny that Jesus is God because they say God cannot be tempted. Does Jesus have to be like sinful man in everyway, or is it the other way around that we should be like him? Was Jesus tempted to molest or rape a child? Was he tempted to put a dagger through someones heart from bitterness or anger? Was he tempted to have sex with a man or beast? Was he tempted to have sex with a dead corpse? These are all temptations from the sickest and vilest of the human race. Did Jesus have to be like them to save them? Did Jesus have those kind of temptations coming out of his heart? These carnal men have created and serve a Jesus after their own image, and not the Jesus of the scriptures “in whom” there was no guile or ability to be tempted like the most evil of men. The temptations of Jesus had to do with human weakness and suffering and not from wicked sin that was in him. Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? But “those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:” These are [the things] which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man. Matt 15:17-20 Which one of these things was in Jesus heart? Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: “But every man is tempted, WHEN HE IS DRAWN AWAY OF HIS OWN LUST, AND ENTICED“. James 1:13, 14 What lust did Jesus have within him to be drawn away and enticed? Satan is the “Tempter” and came and found nothing in him. Satan tried to “Tempt” him in all points like us. But Jesus was not drawn away by “HIS (satans)TEMPTATIONS” because there was nothing in Jesus to respond! WJ

Jesus Christ was tempted in all ways, like we are, yet without sin.

Since Jesus Christ was tempted in all ways, he was tempted in all ways.

However, temptation is not sin.  He never succumbed to temptation.

He is our savior from sin.  He over came all temptation, he showed that all temptation, no matter how devious or subtle or seemingly harmless,  can be over come.  

No one has an excuse for sin.  Yet we all sin in one way or another.  Jesus Christ showed us that we need not sin.

But when we sin we can obtain forgiveness and be cleansed from all unrighteousness.

I John 1:6-2:3 is a most wonderful passage that clarifies that.

Jesus Christ did not sit around and dwell on the temptations he was confronted with.  He overcame them immediately.  See the record of his temptations from the Devil.   He over came them quickly and continued to walk in the light.  He did not dwell in darkness,  he dwelt in the light.,  Hey, he is the light of the world, and so are we lights in this world.  Light dispels darkness.

Let us continue to put on the light of God's word, so that we can dispel more and more darkness wherever we are.

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