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Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 26 2013,14:24) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 26 2013,09:07) There are some here that in order to cling to the erroneous doctrine that spirits can eat and drink deny that Jesus gave evidence that he was not a spirit after his resurrection by allowing himself to be touched and eating. Luke 24:39-43
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. 40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet. 41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? 42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. 43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
Why does Jesus tell his students to handle him? It is obvious to reveal he has a body that can be touched. Why does Jesus ask his students to give him food to eat? It is obvious to reveal he can eat. Both of these he did to make his case that he was not a spirit.
So if a spirit can be touched as an angel has been touched then Jesus instruction for his students to touch him means nothing.
So if a spirit can eat as angels have eaten then Jesus demonstration that he could eat was evidence of nothing.
So did Jesus act deceptively or are the claims of these people that angels are spirits proven false.
Kerwin.We must not use our carnal mind to understand
the spiritual.We need to use our spiritual mind.
To the carnal mind, all spiritual is imposible.If Jesus showed himself to his brethren in his quickened body,
that would be no proof that he *IS* the man crucified.
Because fallen angels could show up claiming to be Jesus.
Or that could be just a vision,or a dream;not real.This is the reason why Jesus manifested himself into flesh.
So they could see him clearly,and also touch and feel.
And see, and feel his wounds.
He was indeed flesh when he showed up to them,he was not lying.
Then he vanished in his quickened body.For flesh and blood can not inherit heaven.
Angels are made spirit,they are quickening spirits.
We also will be as the angels in heaven:*Jesus said this*.
Jesus was made **so much better** than the angels.Jacob had a struggle with an angel.
How can that be, unless the angel manifested into flesh.
There is a terrestrial body(flesh),and there is a celestial body.(spirit).Jesus also was *translated* into flesh when he met Abraham.
He called his name Mechizedek.Do you really believe that Jesus will carry all his scars,on his face ,hands,feet,back,head,and a hole in his side,
for ever? He also had his nose damaged.
How then,is he made so much better than the angels?Jesus is in God, and God in Him, and We in Jesus.
Flesh and bone in God? Who is *a spirit*?That flesh and bone doctrine is to cover a faulty interpretation.This is how they work;add someting new to cover their mistakes.Use a filler to cover the cracks.
wakeup.
Hi WU,
Your argument is with Jesus.
It is your efforts to cover dogma cracks that is wrong.Manifested as flesh??
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