Born of water.

[terraricca]

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Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 26 2012,02:57) Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 26 2012,02:37) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2012,00:07) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 25 2012,05:32) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2012,23:26) 1.  By being raised at that last day AND being judged favorably, thereby being able to enter the Kingdom of God. 2.  What does that have to do with this subject?  If YOU think it pertains to this subject, then just say what is on your mind. 3.  Believe in the name of the one God sent, and follow his teachings.  (Again, what does that have to do with this subject?) your answer to #1 means that nothing as to be done and that it is God that judges us to be approved or not no matter what we do right ,??? so our faith means nothing , so truth does not mean anything either , born of water = knowledge of the son of God that as been reveal in the last days, born of the spirit = apply the knowledge of the faith in whom we have believed resurrecting into the approve ones = receiving the promise of our true faith , all of this can not be separated Terra. How can you be so confused? Why make it so hard for yourself. 1.JESUS; WAS BORN OF WATER AND BLOOD. This means he came as a human.(first time born). 2. JESUS WAS NEVER BORN AGAIN *IN HIS MIND*, BECAUSE HE ALWAYS LOVED GOD FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.THERE WAS NOT A TIME WHEN HE DID NOT LOVE GOD. BEFORE HE WAS BABTISED HE LOVED GOD. 3.HE WAS ONLY BORN AGAIN PHYSICALLY,WHEN HE WAS RESURRECTED.(this is the second time born). This means he was born of water, AND born of the spirit. 1x+1x=2x. NO MORE THAN 2TIMES. BORN AND BORN AGAIN. THAT MAKES IT BORN TWICE,ONLY. WE ALSO; THE SAME: BORN OF WATER,AND BORN OF THE SPIRIT;AT THE COMING. PHYSICALLY. The idea that we will be born 3x is not correct. The idea that we are born out of mother; and then born AGAIN when we are baptised; and then born AGAIN when we are resurrected is false. The word AGAIN meaning TWICE, not 3x. AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.MEANS 3X,AGAIN:  this is false. wakeup. Exactly!! And what about those born againers who FALL AWAY…and then become BORN AGAIN…again!! So they get born, born again accepting Christ, fall away, get born again-again and then die and are resurrected only to find themselves born again-again & again!! Gee!! What a wobbly wall that doctrine is. We are only born again ONCE. This level of math is primary school stuff!! 1+1=2 Born + born again (resurrected) =2 Not 3 , 4 , or 5 times!! Too many messed up & apostate ear tickling feel good doctrines have come out of England & America…especially America…WHY do people still listen to these charlatans? This doctrine is one of those feel good put you to sleep and condemn your soul to complacency in the process kind of doctrines!! “Don't worry, you're born again, you're never gonna die!!(Vomit, retch) LIE. Their leaders are like car salesmen.   “Buy this car and nothing will ever go wrong again.  You will never breakdown.”   “This ones the best” “We will even throw in all the nice trimmings and goodies for you” “Whatever you want, the dealer will give you….. All yours for only $$$ per week till the day you die.” “You were purchased for a price” “and that price must be paid back to us” Agreed J, “Beware lest they make merchandise out of you”. Gee, even spreading one of their Interpretations (born again) is promoting their corporations with their glossy pamphlets, books, DVDs etc…willingly making themselves or ignorantly making oneself into just another religions commodity ripe for exploitation…good old word of mouth…just like merchandise, and born again one of the biggest scams perpetrated by those hyped up gold chain wearing, Rolex sporting, in your face holier than thou types always screaming “go on, give me a hallelujah” types with their plastic suits, and their plastic looks, and their polished teeth and immaculate hair…so worldly that lot…so worldly. Oh, and always saying give us your tithes!! Me me me me me. Not forgetting all their adulteries & scams & freemasonry & riches & spiritualist influences & occult practises (numerology) etc etc et . Give me a Panadol!!

this make me think about Martin Luther ,and the sins turned into cash

[terraricca]

mike

this is how we die in Christ ;from flesh to spirit

Col 2:20 Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules:
Col 2:21 “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”?
Col 2:22 These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings.
Col 2:23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

Col 3:1 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God.
Col 3:2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things.
Col 3:3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.
Col 3:4 When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.

[Wakeup]

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mike this is how we die in Christ ;from flesh to spirit Col 2:20 Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: Col 2:21 “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? Col 2:22 These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. Col 2:23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence. Col 3:1 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God. Col 3:2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. Col 3:3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. Col 3:4 When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.

Terra.

Where are you going with that doctrine?

Lets make it clear.
1.You have been born out of your mothers belly ones.ok.
2. Now you are born of the spirit.(born again).ok.
3. Then you will be resurrected;and born of the spirit.(born again).ok.

This means you are born of the flesh once,and then born of the spirit twice. ??
explain.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,06:57) mike this is how we die in Christ ;from flesh to spirit Col 2:20 Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: Col 2:21 “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? Col 2:22 These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. Col 2:23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence. Col 3:1 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God. Col 3:2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. Col 3:3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. Col 3:4 When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory. Terra. Where are you going with that doctrine? Lets make it clear. 1.You have been born out of your mothers belly ones.ok. 2. Now you are born of the spirit.(born again).ok. 3. Then you will be resurrected;and born of the spirit.(born again).ok. This means you are born of the flesh once,and then born of the spirit twice. ?? explain. wakeup.

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This means you are born of the flesh once,and then born of the spirit twice. ??

we can only be born once in the spirit ,once that is done ,it will become a sin against the holy spirit ,because that is what you would reject if you fall away ,

just as scriptures says a soon you come to Christ your rebirth start as a babe and from their to maturity the promise his everlasting live even if we die in Christ we will gain it back.

their are two calls but one resurrection for all

[journey42]

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devo Quote And what about those born againers who FALL AWAY…and then become BORN AGAIN…again!! how many times can you decieve Gods holy spirit this is not a laffing matter ,but enjoy while you can ,

People do backslide Pierre.

Some backslide many times, and then return. I've seen a few here do it. You can tell by what comes out of their mouth. A dead give away.

So how many times did that backslider get born again? Was that before or after he offended and judged his brother? Was it the first, second, third, or fourth time that he became born again, the new man?

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,05:58) devo Quote And what about those born againers who FALL AWAY…and then become BORN AGAIN…again!! how many times can you decieve Gods holy spirit this is not a laffing matter ,but enjoy while you can , People do backslide Pierre. Some backslide many times, and then return.  I've seen a few here do it.  You can tell by what comes out of their mouth.  A dead give away. So how many times did that backslider get born again?  Was that before or after he offended and judged his brother?  Was it the first, second, third, or fourth time that he became born again, the new man?

is backslide the same as fall away

I too have my trips but not about the truth only in my flesh this is why we need self control but that is also a learned tool'

fall away means to me ,you have totaly turned away from the truth of God ,and this can be seen by your teaching ,

[Wakeup]

Terra.

Are you spiritually decerned.
You said it your self, that you are born again in spirit twice.

1. when you are babtised. you are born again.
2. when you are resurrected. you are born again.

Born again TWICE,this is what you believe.

Have you been drinking?
Well after all it is the celebration of the nic-o-la-i-tanes.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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Terra. Are you spiritually decerned. You said it your self, that you are born again in spirit twice. 1. when you are babtised. you are born again. 2. when you are resurrected. you are born again. Born again TWICE,this is what you believe. Have you been drinking? Well after all it is the celebration of the nic-o-la-i-tanes. wakeup.

wup

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Are you spiritually decerned. You said it your self, that you are born again in spirit twice.

first I have never say this ;and you try to insult me like you are good ad it ,

my quotes are standing here as an witness to what I have said or not said ,

so why are you not quotting my quotes that says so, instead of just slander me with insults

but God know who is his .

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Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2012,08:08) Terra. Are you spiritually decerned. You said it your self, that you are born again in spirit twice. 1. when you are babtised. you are born again. 2. when you are resurrected. you are born again. Born again TWICE,this is what you believe. Have you been drinking? Well after all it is the celebration of the nic-o-la-i-tanes. wakeup. wup Quote Are you spiritually decerned. You said it your self, that you are born again in spirit twice. first I have never say this ;and you try to insult me like you are good ad it , my quotes are standing here as an witness to what I have said or not said , so why are you not quotting my quotes that says so, instead of just slander me with insults but God know who is his .

Terra,

What Wakeup meant is what I read you saying…

1- You said, that when we come to Christ (baptised) we become born again.

2- Then you said when we are resurrected, we become born again in a spirit body…this you said only happens once.

yes I agree with #2, but not with #1.

Because that means being born naturally, then born again coming to Christ, then born again at resurrection.
That's being born again TWICE.

That is what Wakeup meant, so you see, he was NOT lying.

Pierre, you have been doing this a bit lately?
Maybe you forget what you say or maybe we are misunderstanding you?
Because I assure you, we are not liars.

Please don't compare us with such things.

Thank you.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,14:19) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2012,08:08) Terra. Are you spiritually decerned. You said it your self, that you are born again in spirit twice. 1. when you are babtised. you are born again. 2. when you are resurrected. you are born again. Born again TWICE,this is what you believe. Have you been drinking? Well after all it is the celebration of the nic-o-la-i-tanes. wakeup. wup Quote Are you spiritually decerned. You said it your self, that you are born again in spirit twice. first I have never say this ;and you try to insult me like you are good ad it , my quotes are standing here as an witness to what I have said or not said , so why are you not quotting my quotes that says so, instead of just slander me with insults but God know who is his . Terra, What Wakeup meant is what I read you saying… 1- You said, that when we come to Christ (baptised) we become born again. 2- Then you said when we are resurrected, we become born again in a spirit body…this you said only happens once. yes I agree with #2, but not with #1. Because that means being born naturally, then born again coming to Christ, then born again at resurrection. That's being born again TWICE. That is what Wakeup meant, so you see, he was NOT lying. Pierre, you have been doing this a bit lately? Maybe you forget what you say or maybe we are misunderstanding you? Because I assure you, we are not liars. Please don't compare us with such things. Thank you.

devo

you are lying ,I have ask you to post my quotes were I say those thing ,you did not do that,

and you should also know about me that I do not believe in baptism not the way you do anyway, so what you say can not possibly true ,

you make up those stories for your hidden agenda ,

you guy's are ganging up on people what for because you are found weak and with no understanding in scriptures ???you believe your own seeds ,seeds what is not found in scriptures only in your opinions

[terraricca]

man,man you devolution and you wakeup you are deceivers you have proven that much with your last five or so quotes.rest my case

[Devolution]

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Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 26 2012,12:59) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,14:19) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2012,08:08) Terra. Are you spiritually decerned. You said it your self, that you are born again in spirit twice. 1. when you are babtised. you are born again. 2. when you are resurrected. you are born again. Born again TWICE,this is what you believe. Have you been drinking? Well after all it is the celebration of the nic-o-la-i-tanes. wakeup. wup Quote Are you spiritually decerned. You said it your self, that you are born again in spirit twice. first I have never say this ;and you try to insult me like you are good ad it , my quotes are standing here as an witness to what I have said or not said , so why are you not quotting my quotes that says so, instead of just slander me with insults but God know who is his . Terra, What Wakeup meant is what I read you saying… 1- You said, that when we come to Christ (baptised) we become born again. 2- Then you said when we are resurrected, we become born again in a spirit body…this you said only happens once. yes I agree with #2, but not with #1. Because that means being born naturally, then born again coming to Christ, then born again at resurrection. That's being born again TWICE. That is what Wakeup meant, so you see, he was NOT lying. Pierre, you have been doing this a bit lately? Maybe you forget what you say or maybe we are misunderstanding you? Because I assure you, we are not liars. Please don't compare us with such things. Thank you. devo you are lying ,I have ask you to post my quotes were I say those thing ,you did not do that, and you should also know about me that I do not believe in baptism not the way you do anyway, so what you say can not possibly true , you make up those stories for your hidden agenda , you guy's are ganging up on people what for because you are found weak and with no understanding in scriptures ???you believe your own seeds ,seeds what is not found in scriptures only in your opinions

Terra,

It is not good accusing people of being liars.
It really is a big insult.

Here, what we said you said in your own words:

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born again means that after you have received the knowledge of the kingdom and learn the to go there now you are born again,and so follow the road that God had made for all men so he can save them.

THAT'S ONE.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,18:07) Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 26 2012,12:59) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,14:19) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2012,08:08) Terra. Are you spiritually decerned. You said it your self, that you are born again in spirit twice. 1. when you are babtised. you are born again. 2. when you are resurrected. you are born again. Born again TWICE,this is what you believe. Have you been drinking? Well after all it is the celebration of the nic-o-la-i-tanes. wakeup. wup Quote Are you spiritually decerned. You said it your self, that you are born again in spirit twice. first I have never say this ;and you try to insult me like you are good ad it , my quotes are standing here as an witness to what I have said or not said , so why are you not quotting my quotes that says so, instead of just slander me with insults but God know who is his . Terra, What Wakeup meant is what I read you saying… 1- You said, that when we come to Christ (baptised) we become born again. 2- Then you said when we are resurrected, we become born again in a spirit body…this you said only happens once. yes I agree with #2, but not with #1. Because that means being born naturally, then born again coming to Christ, then born again at resurrection. That's being born again TWICE. That is what Wakeup meant, so you see, he was NOT lying. Pierre, you have been doing this a bit lately? Maybe you forget what you say or maybe we are misunderstanding you? Because I assure you, we are not liars. Please don't compare us with such things. Thank you. devo you are lying ,I have ask you to post my quotes were I say those thing ,you did not do that, and you should also know about me that I do not believe in baptism not the way you do anyway, so what you say can not possibly true , you make up those stories for your hidden agenda , you guy's are ganging up on people what for because you are found weak and with no understanding in scriptures ???you believe your own seeds ,seeds what is not found in scriptures only in your opinions Terra, It is not good accusing people of being liars. It really is a big insult. Here, what we said you said in your own words: Quote born again means that after you have received the knowledge of the kingdom and learn the to go there now you are born again,and so follow the road that God had made for all men so he can save them. THAT'S ONE.

DEVO

please quote my quote ;this could be made by anyone even you could make it very easily,

your quote you show does not say I made it

I am retired not retarded

[terraricca]

devo

so far you have proved my view about you ,keep going this direction and all will see it

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wakeup Quote e are all born of the flesh(water) we came out of our mothers womb,therefore we are flesh. But if we are born of the spirit,we are spirit(resurection), we are born of Gods spiritual woman(zion). But now are we  still in the flesh,but we have conformed our minds in christ,the old me is dead,the new me is now. question: Is this whole conversation about baptism?Why is it interpreted by the christian churches as babtism? the water ;means knowledge,unless you are nourished of the knowledge of the kingdom of God you will not be able to see (understand) that kingdom, born again means that after you have received the knowledge of the kingdom and learn the to go there now you are born again,and so follow the road that God had made for all men so he can save them. Pierre

Hi terra,

Better?

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 28 2011,12:00) wakeup Quote e are all born of the flesh(water) we came out of our mothers womb,therefore we are flesh. But if we are born of the spirit,we are spirit(resurection), we are born of Gods spiritual woman(zion). But now are we  still in the flesh,but we have conformed our minds in christ,the old me is dead,the new me is now. question: Is this whole conversation about baptism?Why is it interpreted by the christian churches as babtism? the water ;means knowledge,unless you are nourished of the knowledge of the kingdom of God you will not be able to see (understand) that kingdom, born again means that after you have received the knowledge of the kingdom and learn the to go there now you are born again,and so follow the road that God had made for all men so he can save them. Pierre Hi terra, Better?

devo

and for this you have told me this right ??

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Terra, What Wakeup meant is what I read you saying… 1- You said, that when we come to Christ (baptised) we become born again. 2- Then you said when we are resurrected, we become born again in a spirit body…this you said only happens once. yes I agree with #2, but not with #1. Because that means being born naturally, then born again coming to Christ, then born again at resurrection. That's being born again TWICE. That is what Wakeup meant, so you see, he was NOT lying. Pierre, you have been doing this a bit lately? Maybe you forget what you say or maybe we are misunderstanding you? Because I assure you, we are not liars. Please don't compare us with such things. Thank you.

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,18:28)

devo so far you have proved my view about you ,keep going this direction and all will see it

Terra,

I'm sure you said somewhere that being resurrected is the LITERAL born again…

Save me from searching through piles of posts and just tell me again, is that true?

If not, then I will apologise gladly, stop calling us liars.
We do not lie…maybe I misunderstood you, sometimes you are hard to understand.

[terraricca]

devo

those are some of my scriptures to support my believes;about being born again

1Pe 1:13 Therefore, prepare your minds for action; be self-controlled; set your hope fully on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is revealed.
1Pe 1:14 As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance.
1Pe 1:15 But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do;
1Pe 1:16 for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”
1Pe 1:17 Since you call on a Father who judges each man’s work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear.
1Pe 1:18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers,
1Pe 1:19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.
1Pe 1:20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.
1Pe 1:21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.
1Pe 1:22 Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from the heart.
1Pe 1:23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.
1Pe 1:24 For,
“All men are like grass,
and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;
the grass withers and the flowers fall,
1Pe 1:25 but the word of the Lord stands forever.”

And this is the word that was preached to you.
1Pe 2:1 Therefore, rid yourselves of all malice and all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and slander of every kind.
1Pe 2:2 Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation,
1Pe 2:3 now that you have tasted that the Lord is good.

1Pe 2:4 As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him—
1Pe 2:5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 For in Scripture it says:
“See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a chosen and precious cornerstone,
and the one who trusts in him
will never be put to shame.”
1Pe 2:7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious.

1Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.
1Jn 1:2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us.
1Jn 1:3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.
1Jn 1:4 We write this to make our joy complete.

1Jn 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
1Jn 1:6 If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth.
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

Col 3:1 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God.
Col 3:2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things.
Col 3:3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.
Col 3:4 When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.
Col 3:5 Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry.
Col 3:6 Because of these, the wrath of God is coming.
Col 3:7 You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived.
Col 3:8 But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.
Col 3:9 Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices
Col 3:10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.
Col 3:11 Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.

please read those scriptures they will confirm my believe

[Devolution]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,18:45)

devo those are some of my scriptures to support my believes;about being born again 1Pe 1:13 Therefore, prepare your minds for action; be self-controlled; set your hope fully on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is revealed. 1Pe 1:14 As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. 1Pe 1:15 But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; 1Pe 1:16 for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.” 1Pe 1:17 Since you call on a Father who judges each man’s work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear. 1Pe 1:18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, 1Pe 1:19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 1Pe 1:20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 1Pe 1:21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God. 1Pe 1:22 Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from the heart. 1Pe 1:23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 1Pe 1:24 For, “All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field; the grass withers and the flowers fall, 1Pe 1:25 but the word of the Lord stands forever.” And this is the word that was preached to you. 1Pe 2:1 Therefore, rid yourselves of all malice and all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and slander of every kind. 1Pe 2:2 Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation, 1Pe 2:3 now that you have tasted that the Lord is good. 1Pe 2:4 As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him— 1Pe 2:5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 1Pe 2:6 For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.” 1Pe 2:7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. 1Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 1Jn 1:2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. 1Jn 1:3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. 1Jn 1:4 We write this to make our joy complete. 1Jn 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 1Jn 1:6 If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. 1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. Col 3:1 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God. Col 3:2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. Col 3:3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. Col 3:4 When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory. Col 3:5 Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. Col 3:6 Because of these, the wrath of God is coming. Col 3:7 You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. Col 3:8 But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. Col 3:9 Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices Col 3:10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator. Col 3:11 Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all. please read those scriptures they will confirm my believe

Terra,

I understand your position on this clearer now.
I must have misunderstood you after all, I truly apologise for that Pierre.

But I still disagree about the born again being when we come to Christ.
I do understand why you say it:

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1Pe 1:23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

So I will get back to you when I come back on later and give my scriptures as to why I believe the opposite to you regarding this.

Thanks Pierre.

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,18:45)

devo those are some of my scriptures to support my believes;about being born again 1Pe 1:13 Therefore, prepare your minds for action; be self-controlled; set your hope fully on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is revealed. 1Pe 1:14 As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. 1Pe 1:15 But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; 1Pe 1:16 for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.” 1Pe 1:17 Since you call on a Father who judges each man’s work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear. 1Pe 1:18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, 1Pe 1:19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 1Pe 1:20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 1Pe 1:21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God. 1Pe 1:22 Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from the heart. 1Pe 1:23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 1Pe 1:24 For, “All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field; the grass withers and the flowers fall, 1Pe 1:25 but the word of the Lord stands forever.” And this is the word that was preached to you. 1Pe 2:1 Therefore, rid yourselves of all malice and all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and slander of every kind. 1Pe 2:2 Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation, 1Pe 2:3 now that you have tasted that the Lord is good. 1Pe 2:4 As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him— 1Pe 2:5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 1Pe 2:6 For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.” 1Pe 2:7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. 1Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 1Jn 1:2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. 1Jn 1:3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. 1Jn 1:4 We write this to make our joy complete. 1Jn 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 1Jn 1:6 If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. 1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. Col 3:1 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God. Col 3:2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. Col 3:3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. Col 3:4 When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory. Col 3:5 Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. Col 3:6 Because of these, the wrath of God is coming. Col 3:7 You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. Col 3:8 But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. Col 3:9 Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices Col 3:10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator. Col 3:11 Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all. please read those scriptures they will confirm my believe

Terra.

Terra,Terra, where are you?
Why are you hiding behind those scriptures?
Are you naked? why are you naked.

I can not see you amongst all those scriptures,please come out of there and show yourself.

You will be the only one born again twice.
Even Jesus is born again only once. not twice.

wakeup.

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