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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,19:56) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,17:53) Ed, Quote
Looks like Jesus mistakenly forgot to tell this guy about the
necessity of water baptism; must of slipped his mind I guess, huh?Luke 10:25-28 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying,
Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? unto him, What is written in the law?
how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the LORD thy God with
all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind;
and thy neighbor as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.Being baptised in water and spirit is not a definite guarantee of entering the kingdom of God after death. As it says in Hebrews, if somebody has been water baptised and baptised in the Spirit, if, after tasting heaven and God's love, they fall, or push away God, then, apparently, there is nothing left. And also, there is much much more to it. We have to obey God's commandments, we have to overcome as well.
Did he mention water baptism? Yes or No?
Put the scriptures together, they are like a puzzle, but you need the right pieces to make it work.JESUS and PETER commanded water baptism of the nations and the Gentiles and the Jews. ALL.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,17:34) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,19:25) Hi 2Besee, I don't forbid water. The Jews needed to openly confess Jesus, and they did this
through water baptism; we openly confess him with our mouth. (ref. Rom.10:10)The fact that the Gentiles received the “HolySpirit” without
water baptism shows that it is not necessary. The Apostle Paul said:
“I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;” (1Cor.1:14)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
You left out the truth.
After the Gentiles received the Holy Spirit, then, they were commanded to be water baptised.Acts 10:44-48
“While Peter was still saying this, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word.
And the believers from among the circumcised who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles.
For they heard them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter declared,
“Can any one forbid water for baptizing these people who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
Hi 2Besee,The fact they were baptized without water proves it unnecessary, and here's why:
“If the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you,
he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal
bodies (OUR resurrection) by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.” (Romans 8:11)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,13:10) No Ed, that does not prove a thing. PUT THE SCRIPTURES TOGETHER (the right pieces that is)…..
2beeSee you cannot accept from scriptures ,only what you have conceived to be the truth to you,
God truth has no part in you faith ,your faith is based on your own personal interpretation and only what you see fit for you.
T,
If the scriptures command you to be baptised in water, then, if you deny that and twist the scriptures to make it say what it does not say, therefore, teaching others also that an essential part of salvation means something different, then which one of us is actually “only seeing what is fit for you” in your words?I see the bigger picture – the picture of truth and salvation and God's hope of salvation for ALL men.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,18:10) No Ed, that does not prove a thing. PUT THE SCRIPTURES TOGETHER (the right pieces that is)…..
Yes, it's looking at them as a whole that causes me
to believe water baptism is unnecessary; as I have shown.Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,13:40) T,
If the scriptures command you to be baptised in water, then, if you deny that and twist the scriptures to make it say what it does not say, therefore, teaching others also that an essential part of salvation means something different, then which one of us is actually “only seeing what is fit for you” in your words?I see the bigger picture – the picture of truth and salvation and God's hope of salvation for ALL men.
2beeNo you do not see the big picture ,what you see his your pre conceive believes ,,I have ask you questions but you never answered them ,
How many ritual did Jesus shows
Washing of feet ,
The last supper ,The imposing of the hands,
The miracles ,
But I can not find a scripture that he instituted water baptism ,please show me a scripture,???
Quote But I can not find a scripture that he instituted water baptism ,please show me a scripture,??? T,
A scripture that “institutes water baptism” you cannot find?
look at it.Matt 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.Acts 2:38
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him.”
And he testified with many other words and exhorted them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.”
So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.Acts 10:44-48
“While Peter was still saying this, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word.
And the believers from among the circumcised who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the GENTILES.
For they heard them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter declared,
“Can any one forbid WATER FOR BAPTIZING these people who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”
And he COMMANDED THEM TO BE BAPTIZED in the name of Jesus Christ.How I understand that last verse is that when Peter and the others were amazed and Peter said “Can any man forbid water for baptising these Gentiles”? It was saying that Gentiles would also be reborn and would also enter the kingdom of God, as amazing as that was to the Jews. Therefore He commanded the Gentiles also to, like the Jews, be baptised in water.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,19:16) How I understand that last verse is that when Peter and the others were amazed and Peter said “Can any man forbid water for baptising these Gentiles”? It was saying that Gentiles would also be reborn and would also enter the kingdom of God, as amazing as that was to the Jews. Therefore He commanded the Gentiles also to, like the Jews, be baptised in water.
Hi 2Besee,So you do see that it was those of Judaism being baptized; Good!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgAnd the Gentiles!
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Let me ask all of you hyperdispensationilists something.
Do you believe that the law (the ten commandments) were “done away with” ?
Hi 2Besee,
Don't know what a 'hyperdispensationilists' is?
But the answer to you question is:
Were the 10 commandments done away with? Of course NOT!Deut.6:1-2 Now these are the “commandments”, the “statutes”, and the “judgments”,
which the LORD(YHVH) your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them
in the land whither ye go to possess it: That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God,
to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and
thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.In the mount of transfiguration we find three people who illustrate these three.
Moses: The Commandments; “10” Old, “2” New.
Elijah: The Judgments; rewards and punishments.
Jesus: The Statues; Jesus fulfilled the statues
(contained in ordinances), and done away with them.
Eph.2:15: Having abolished in his flesh the enmity,
even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;
for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.
Do you even know the difference between a LAW and an ordinance?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
PS. 10-2 Has “Fractal” counterparts:
The tribes: 10 Northern and 2 SouthernHi Ed,
So we do agree that the ten commandments were not “done away with” GOOD!
(Interested in the others views).——————–
Actually I will start a thread on it.
2Besee.
The thief on the cross was not babtised;but he made it without babtism.He was promised paradise.
You may not make it, even with your babtism?wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,20:40) Wakeup…. Please, tell me where it says that the thief on the cross was not baptised?
2Besee.He is a thief,pronounced guilty and death.
What more can I say.wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,20:41) You really don't like this do you Wakeup?
The words that i say to you 'hurt'. true?
2Besee.Why should it hurt?
For what reason?
No, not at all.wakeup.
Quote Don't know what a 'hyperdispensationilists' is? Hi Ed,
It is a belief that arose from the teachings of E.W. Bullinger (1837-1913).
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