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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,16:16) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 19 2013,11:12) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,09:49) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 18 2013,15:29) 2bee Quote Water makes us “clean”. Jesus was baptized in water, AC 10:45 All the circumcised(JEWS) believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
AC 10:46 For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God.Ac 15:7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe.
Ac 15:8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.
Ac 15:9 He made no distinction between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith.
Ac 15:10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear?
Ac 15:11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”Ac 15:14 Simon has described to us how God at first showed his concern by taking from the Gentiles a people for himself.
Ac 15:15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
Ac 15:16 “ ‘After this I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
Ac 15:17 that the remnant of men may seek the Lord,
and all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’
Ac 15:18 that have been known for ages.
Ac 15:19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.
Ac 15:20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.Ac 15:23 With them they sent the following letter:
The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
Ac 15:24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.
Ac 15:25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul—
Ac 15:26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Ac 15:27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing.
Ac 15:28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
Ac 15:29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.Farewell.
look what John he baptist says about water baptism ;Jn 1:26 “I baptize with water,” John replied, “but among you stands one you do not know.
Jn 1:27 He is the one who comes after me, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie.”
Jn 1:28 This all happened at Bethany on the other side of the Jordan, where John was baptizing.Jn 1:33 I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
Jesus did not BAPTIZE ANY ONE with literal water ,unless it was the washing of the feet ,WHO DO YOU TRY TO FOLLOW
but what Jesus did relentlessly is preach ,teach, explain,bring truth of God ,denounce the errors of those who should be leaders in truth, call out disciples teach them the truth of Gods words ,and showed that he had Gods approval by the miracles done through him by God
Christ also teach that the expression he use as WATER was his reference to knowledge ,and so drink it or be submerge(Baptized or born of water) in it ;
Jn 4:13 Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again,
Jn 4:14 but whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”Jn 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
Jn 16:14 He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you.the only ritual Jesus put up or ask to remember is HIS DEAD ,but he did not ask to make it an holiday ,a church day ,a worship day,
because he said ;; Jn 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”this can not be done through physical actions right
YES
You seem to fit into the group (beliefs) of the hyperdispensationalists.
Ed J, and others too.quote, wikipedia.
Hyperdispensationalism
There are some Christians termed “Hyperdispensationalists” who accept only Paul's Epistles as applicable for the church today. They do not accept baptism or the Lord's Supper, since these are not found in the Prison Epistles. They also teach that Peter's gospel message was not the same as Paul's.
Hyperdispensationalists assert:
The great commission [Matthew 28:18–20] and its baptism is directed to early Jewish believers, not the Gentile believers of mid-Acts or later.
The baptism of Acts 2:36–38 is Peter's call for Israel to repent of complicity in the death of the Messiah; not as a Gospel announcement of atonement for sin, a later doctrine revealed by Paul.
Water baptism found early in the Book of Acts is, according to this view, now supplanted by the one baptism [1 Cor 12:13] foretold by John the Baptist. The one baptism for today, it is asserted, is the “baptism of the Holy Spirit” [Ac 11:15–16]
John, as he said “baptized with water”, as did Jesus's disciples to the early, Jewish Christian church. Jesus himself never personally baptized with water, but did so through his disciples [Jn 4:1–2] Unlike Jesus' first Apostles, Paul, his Apostle to the Gentiles, was sent to preach rather than to baptize [1 Co 1:17] but did occasionally baptize, for instance in Corinth [1:14–16] and in Philippi, [Ac 16:13] in the same manner as they [Mt 28:19]. He also taught the spiritual significance of the submerging in baptism and how one contacts the atoning death of Christ in such [Rom 6:4]
Other Hyperdispensationalists believe that baptism was necessary only for a short period between
Christ's ascension and mid-Acts. The great commission [Mt 28:18–20] and its baptism was directed to early Jewish believers, not the Gentile believers of mid-Acts or later. Any Jew who believed did not receive salvation [Mk 16:16] [1 Pe 3:21] or the Holy Spirit [Ac 2:38] until they were baptized. This period ended with the calling of Paul [9:17–18]. **Peter's reaction when the Gentiles received the Holy Spirit before baptism [10:44–48] is worthy of note.**[44] While Peter was still saying this, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word.
[45] And the believers from among the circumcised who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles.
[46] For they heard them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter declared,
[47] “Can any one forbid water for baptizing these people who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”
[48] And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days.
2Besee.Satans policy; devide and conquer.
wakuep.
WUPthis also you have wrong ;Satan does not divide THE STUPIDITY OF MEN DO THAT ,SPIRITUAL BLINDNESS ,AWAY FROM GOD'S TRUTH BY MAKING THEIR OWN TRUTH ,LOOSER IN EVERY WAY
Terra.Dont you know that satan is behind mens doings,just like what Eve did; because of satan.
wakeup.
Yes Wakeup.
As Saint Irenaeus said, in 120AD
“As we are lepers in sin, we are made clean from our old transgressions by means of the sacred water and the invocation of the Lord. We are thus spiritually regenerated as newborn infants, even as the Lord has declared: ‘Except a man be born again through water and the Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven…………………This class of men have been instigated by Satan to a denial of that baptism which is regeneration to God, and thus to a renunciation of the whole faith………………And [Naaman] dipped himself seven times in the Jordan’ (2 Kgs. 5:14). It was not for nothing that Naaman of old, when suffering from leprosy, was purified upon his being baptized, but [this served] as an indication to us. For as we are lepers in sin, we are made clean, by means of the sacred water and the invocation of the Lord, from our old transgressions, being spiritually regenerated as new-born babes, even as the Lord has declared: `Except a man be born again through water and the Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven’”
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,16:17) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,17:56) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,09:49)
You seem to fit into the group (beliefs) of the hyperdispensationalists.
Ed J, and others too.quote, wikipedia.
Hyperdispensationalism
There are some Christians termed “Hyperdispensationalists” who accept only Paul's Epistles as applicable for the church today. They do not accept baptism or the Lord's Supper, since these are not found in the Prison Epistles. They also teach that Peter's gospel message was not the same as Paul's.
Hi 2Besee,Jesus said: “do this in remembrance of me”.
God bless
Ed J
Yes Ed, Jesus did say that.Jesus also commanded Water Baptism.
Unless a man be born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven!Matt 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.Acts 2:38
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.Acts 10:44-48
While Peter was still saying this, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word.
And the believers from among the circumcised who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles.
For they heard them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter declared,
“Can any one forbid water for baptizing these people who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days.These verses have already been posted here Ed. Did you not see them?
Hi 2Besee,I don't forbid water. The Jews needed to openly confess Jesus, and they did this
through water baptism; we openly confess him with our mouth. (ref. Rom.10:10)The fact that the Gentiles received the “HolySpirit” without
water baptism shows that it is not necessary. The Apostle Paul said:
“I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;” (1Cor.1:14)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,12:04) Yes Wakeup. As Saint Irenaeus said, in 120AD
“As we are lepers in sin, we are made clean from our old transgressions by means of the sacred water and the invocation of the Lord. We are thus spiritually regenerated as newborn infants, even as the Lord has declared: ‘Except a man be born again through water and the Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven…………………This class of men have been instigated by Satan to a denial of that baptism which is regeneration to God, and thus to a renunciation of the whole faith………………And [Naaman] dipped himself seven times in the Jordan’ (2 Kgs. 5:14). It was not for nothing that Naaman of old, when suffering from leprosy, was purified upon his being baptized, but [this served] as an indication to us. For as we are lepers in sin, we are made clean, by means of the sacred water and the invocation of the Lord, from our old transgressions, being spiritually regenerated as new-born babes, even as the Lord has declared: `Except a man be born again through water and the Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven’”
2bee and WupYou both now agree that Eve and. Adam could not do anything else but sin ,and that God play a joke on them by telling them what he did about the tree
You are dreamers
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,16:20) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,17:59) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,09:52) It appears that water baptism is a must as well.
How so?
Unless you are Born Again, you cannot enter into the kingdom of Heaven.
Hi 2Besee,First: it says “NOT SEE” the Kingdom; not 'NOT ENTER'.
Secondly: water baptism is not (symbolically) a birth, but rather a death. BUT…Baptism of the HolySpirit “IS” our re-birth.
First water, which is flesh, then Spirit,
which is fire. (ref. Heb. 12:29)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,19:25) Hi 2Besee, I don't forbid water. The Jews needed to openly confess Jesus, and they did this
through water baptism; we openly confess him with our mouth. (ref. Rom.10:10)The fact that the Gentiles received the “HolySpirit” without
water baptism shows that it is not necessary. The Apostle Paul said:
“I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;” (1Cor.1:14)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
You left out the truth.
After the Gentiles received the Holy Spirit, then, they were commanded to be water baptised.Acts 10:44-48
“While Peter was still saying this, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word.
And the believers from among the circumcised who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles.
For they heard them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter declared,
“Can any one forbid water for baptizing these people who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,19:32) First water, which is flesh, then Spirit,
which is fire. (ref. Heb. 12:29)
Ed, fire will kill you unless you have WATER.Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,12:36) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,19:32) First water, which is flesh, then Spirit,
which is fire. (ref. Heb. 12:29)
Ed, fire will kill you unless you have WATER.
Yes but you can be boil in your own pool of water ,it the water is not of God you die either from the fire or the poison waters you have collectedQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,19:32) First: it says “NOT SEE” the Kingdom; not 'NOT ENTER'.
No Ed, it says ENTER the kingdom of heaven (of God).Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,17:27) Ed,
Deny scriptures, it is all of your choices to make.
Hi 2Besee,Looks like Jesus mistakenly forgot to tell this guy about the
necessity of water baptism; must of slipped his mind I guess, huh?Luke 10:25-28 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying,
Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? unto him, What is written in the law?
how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the LORD thy God with
all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind;
and thy neighbor as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,17:42) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,19:32) First: it says “NOT SEE” the Kingdom; not 'NOT ENTER'.
No Ed, it says ENTER the kingdom of heaven (of God).
Yes, OK.John 3:5 does say enter.
But born of water does NOT mean water baptism.Ed,
Born of water does mean water baptism.
What is the problem?
Is it the fact that you will need (possibly) to go to a Church to be water baptised?Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,17:36) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,19:32) First water, which is flesh, then Spirit,
which is fire. (ref. Heb. 12:29)
Ed, fire will kill you unless you have WATER.
Hi 2Besee,“Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire?
who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
(here is a description of me)
He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly;
he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh
his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from
hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;” (Isaiah 33:14-15)Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd,
Quote Luke 10:25-28 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying,
Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? unto him, What is written in the law?
how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the LORD thy God with
all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind;
and thy neighbor as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.Being baptised in water and spirit is not a definite guarantee of entering the kingdom of God after death. As it says in Hebrews, if somebody has been water baptised and baptised in the Spirit, if, after tasting heaven and God's love, they fall, or push away God, then, apparently, there is nothing left. And also, there is much much more to it. We have to obey God's commandments, we have to overcome as well.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,17:47) Ed, Born of water does mean water baptism.
What is the problem?
Is it the fact that you will need (possibly) to go to a Church to be water baptised?
Hi 2Besee,The problem is: born of water does NOT mean water baptism;
but our physical birth out of the water of our mothers womb.
The fallen angels cannot enter the kingdom of God unless:1. They are physically born as a baby. -AND-
2. Spiritually re-Birthed with God's HolySpirit.This is so simple that a pre-schooler can get it.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,12:46) Yes Ed, love the Lord your God and do all that He commands us to do.
And your neighbor as yourself.
Not enoughYou have now to do it in spirit. And truth
Then you would be born again wen you succeeded ,
But to enter the kingdom this I think as two possibilities heaven or earth
144k the first fruits or the great crowed ,those in Christ
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,17:53) Ed, Quote
Looks like Jesus mistakenly forgot to tell this guy about the
necessity of water baptism; must of slipped his mind I guess, huh?Luke 10:25-28 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying,
Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? unto him, What is written in the law?
how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the LORD thy God with
all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind;
and thy neighbor as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.Being baptised in water and spirit is not a definite guarantee of entering the kingdom of God after death. As it says in Hebrews, if somebody has been water baptised and baptised in the Spirit, if, after tasting heaven and God's love, they fall, or push away God, then, apparently, there is nothing left. And also, there is much much more to it. We have to obey God's commandments, we have to overcome as well.
Did he mention water baptism? Yes or No?
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