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- Jesus was begotten on a day!
- Days were not found in scripture until day one which was after the light, the earth, and the waters. Genesis 1:1-3
- Jesus was there with the Father in the beginning and before all things and by him all things came into being and without him nothing came into being including the days. John 1:1-3 – 1 John 1:1-3
No theory just biblical facts.
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Does scripture ever actually say Jesus was appointed to a position of begotten Son of God? Of course not.
The scriptures say he was “begotten’ after his resurrection. Acts 13:33 – Heb 1:5 – Heb 5:5Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,21:53)
In fact there is nothing at all in scripture to imply that begotten referring to Jesus doesn't mean “caused to exist” or “fathered” – just like all the other times begotten is mentioned.
But all the times “begotten” does not mean procreation.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,21:53)
In fact, the only reason anyone would have to purposely blind themselves to what the scriptures say like this is because they have an ulterior motive. You just don't WANT Jesus to have been begotten literally, so you are willing to grasp at any little thing to avoid that fact.
And you don’t have an ulterior motive?You are so desperate you have to explain away a simple text stating he was begotten on a certain day.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,21:53) Sorry WJ, this doesn't have so much to do with the unimportant word “today” as it does with the fact that scriptures don't even come close to implying some mystical “begetting” of Jesus.
The word “today” has everything to do with it because it blows away your theory that Jesus was procreated by God bringing birth to him from his own body before the ages or time.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,21:53) They say Jesus was begotten by his God, that he is the ONLY one who came to exist this way, and that afterwards, God made everything through and for His Son.
He created everything INCLUDING THE DAYS.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,21:53) Do you see that last word WJ? SON! How does a son normally come to be?
By a man and a woman having sex and bringing birth to a Son or daughter, this is what we call procreation. Did the Father do this? No, only in Greek mythology!Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,21:53) Isn't he “fathered” by his father?
Yes, you can read about it when he was 12 years old and was called the Son of God and was about doing his Fathers business.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,21:53) Yet you would have the good thinking people on HN believe that “Father and Son” were just the names our plural God chose to distinguish between one equal partner and the other in the Godhead. Really?
Are you saying you cannot be equal to your Father in every way?Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,21:53) Can you just imagine equal God Jesus saying, “Okay Mr. 1/3 of God, You can be the “Father” this time, but next time, I want to be the General to your Major, kay?”
You must be talking to a “Modalist” and your statement sounds desperate!You see mike you would have the good thinking people here believe that God brought birth to a being that is not God, but is some kind of creature that is not of his own kind or nature as God, but some kind of freak of nature that God calls his son, a demi-god or something like
that.WJ