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Quote (davidbfun @ July 26 2010,05:12)
Hi Karmarie,I'm almost 2 weeks older here and I learned a great deal since my first post.
You are right….begotten doesn't mean born.
It is the act of fathering or siring that is done on the male parent's side. (Causing the impregnation)
Bearing (being born) is the act of bringing forth from the female's side. (Releasing the impregnation)
David
Hi David.
I have no idea what it means, I'm not a Bible expert, I'm just the 'kid' amongst a whole lotta experts.
What I do know is God is love. What I do know is God will take up, what is His. What I do know is Jesus was born in a manger in Bethlehem and was taken up by God and the scriptures say this was the day He was begotten. I cant go beyond that because I don't know.
Nick,
Be careful that you don't mislead the little ones.
Kar is speaking the truth and you try to mislead her.
This is not wise.
Hi JA,
The promised saviour shown in Ps 2 was proven to be Jesus by his being raised from the dead.[Acts 2, Acts13]
But he was God's acclaimed Son from the Jordan.It is interesting that in this forum the Trinitarians and the non-pre-existents never explain their beliefs. All they do is refute the claims of non-trinitarians and pre-existents.
They aren't selling their beliefs, Why?
I understand the Trinitarians can only recycle their taut mini-minded doctrine and therefore have nothing to 'sell'. They can only claim the doctrine is true but cannot use Scripture to show it other than through twisting and deliberately warping Scripture. Ask one of the 'Despararians' to go through the Scriptures from beginning to end without twisting Scripture verses and align it with their belief and, guess what? They will soon begin to get flustered and make untoward claims. Why? Very simple…because the trinity cannot be sustained by the Scriptures without Scriptures being distorted.
Now, as for non-preExistents, what is their aim? What is their purpose in proposing that Jesus did not preExist in light of all the persuasive Scriptural verses…even from the mouth of Jesus Christ himself!!!
Again, non-preExistents don't 'sell' their belief, i never heard this before so strongly and never realised such a stance could be sustained under close scrutiny of the Scriptures.
It must be a very stony hearted person who can read the Scriptures and disclaim the divinity (this does not mean God, it means powerful undying Spirit)
Indeed, this is what Scripture speaks of when it says that 'Jesus emptied himself'. He put off his divine nature and took on the undivine nature of man, subject to dying, lacking 'power' and being 'Flesh', flesh that requires sustaining with 'food', 'drink', blood, oxygen, other chemical elements, 'Dust of the earth' in God's terminology! And, subject to the laws of the very ones he created…what an honourable indignaty.
And WJ says that 'God, Himself, can come in this form'. Well, when He does, who will be 'in His power and Authority…His Throne'? Satan?Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 27 2010,15:37) Hi JA,
Where does scripture say what she said about being begotten at the time he was taken up?
Hi Nick,I agree with you. KM was doing quite nicely until that part of when Jesus was begotten. Then again we have many concepts that talk about when Jesus…
Firstborn of all creation & before anything else…son of God (Creator)
Thru Mary….son of Man; Lamb of God (servant, sacrifice)
From the grave….firstborn of the dead (Savior)
Jordan…..filled with the fulness of God (HS)
Return….KingNick and David, what I wrote is what I know and its all in scripture, I also know that everything was created through and for Him. That is simple and anything else is just assuming and I dont wont go there again its too confusing.
Nick and David,
Acts 26
“Brethren, sons of the family of Abraham, and those among you that fear God, to us has been sent the message of this salvation. For those who live in Jerusalem and their rulers, because they did not recognize him nor understand the utterances of the prophets which are read every sabbath, fulfilled these by condemning him. Though they could charge him with nothing deserving death, yet they asked Pilate to have him killed. And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a tomb. But God raised him from the dead; and for many days he appeared to those who came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are now his witnesses to the people. And we bring you the good news that what God promised to the fathers, this he has fulfilled to us their children by raising Jesus; as also it is written in the second psalm, 'Thou art my Son, today I have begotten thee.' And as for the fact that he raised him from the dead, no more to return to corruption, he spoke in this way, 'I will give you the holy and sure blessings of David.' Therefore he says also in another psalm, 'Thou wilt not let thy Holy One see corruption.' For David, after he had served the counsel of God in his own generation, fell asleep, and was laid with his fathers, and saw corruption; but he whom God raised up saw no corruption. Let it be known to you therefore, brethren, that through this man forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you, and by him every one that believes is freed from everything from which you could not be freed by the law of Moses. Beware, therefore, lest there come upon you what is said in the prophets: 'Behold, you scoffers, and wonder, and perish; for I do a deed in your days, a deed you will never believe, if one declares it to you.'”
JustAskin asked:
Quote 2) Why does God tell Jesus that He has 'begotten' him? God said that He “begat” Jesus because His resurrection was like coming out of the womb of hades. Jonah likened his being in the fish to being in the womb of hades. “Out of the womb of hades I cried” (Jonah 2:1-2). Therefore, when God delivered Jonah from the belly of the fish He “begat” Jonah. Jesus being in hades was likened to Jonah being in what he called hades. So God “begat” Jesus when He raised Him up from the womb of hades.
The new testament EVERYWHERE says that Jesus was begotten at His resurrection. He was “begotten” from the the womb of hades.
You and Mike should consider enrolling in some courses in Logic and then in Bible college. God wants only the educated to teach His word.
KJ
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 28 2010,05:28) JustAskin asked: Quote 2) Why does God tell Jesus that He has 'begotten' him? God said that He “begat” Jesus because His resurrection was like coming out of the womb of hades. Jonah likened his being in the fish to being in the womb of hades. “Out of the womb of hades I cried” (Jonah 2:1-2). Therefore, when God delivered Jonah from the belly of the fish He “begat” Jonah. Jesus being in hades was likened to Jonah being in what he called hades. So God “begat” Jesus when He raised Him up from the womb of hades.
The new testament EVERYWHERE says that Jesus was begotten at His resurrection. He was “begotten” from the the womb of hades.
Thank you for that post Kangaroo Jack.Hi KM,
Yes Acts 2, 13 and 26 show that David was not the messiah/king promised in Ps2 though he was similar to Jesus in the prophet/king anointing.
David's body rotted in the grave.The raising of Jesus in his physical body is the fulfillment of the promises of a saviour /king and shows that Jesus is that anointed man.
But that was not his begettal of the Spirit- that occurred at the Jordan.
He will rule from the throne of David.Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 28 2010,04:28) God wants only the educated to teach His word. KJ
Hi Jack,Have you now become a Pharisee? (Mathew 16:6)
What seminary school did Jesus attend? (John 7:15)
What makes you say men must teach you? (Acts 5:29)
The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgKJ,
Not sure why you posted that quote. To whatis it linked and who did you post it to?
If you posted it to JustAskin then you are most certainly off on a hop because JustAskin was just askin'… When you gonna learn? JustAskin wasn't askin' when JustAskin asks…
The 'question' was retorical.
Don't take things out of context to make a pointless point because you got nothing better to do.
Quote (karmarie @ July 27 2010,21:40) Is it just me, or does something not feel right in this thread – and the other similar to it?
Repeat the same word over and over; it begins to sound strange and depletes its first meaning
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