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PROPHESIES ARE THERE TO SHOW US WHAT IS IN STORE,SO WE CAN GET PREPARED.
BUT IT SEEMS THAT THERE IS NO NEED TO KNOW OF WHAT IS AHEAD.
GOD PUTS IT THERE NOT FOR NOTHING.It seems that prophesies is of no use here amongst these Christians.
It is not the knowledge they are interested in. Because there is not a need.
And I know why. Because talk is cheap; hard work is another matter.
Don’t need to know prophesies; things are going good as is, all is cosy and save; the Lord loves us.
All what is needed is just to; call upon the name of the Lord. Do away with prophesies, waist of time.
What was that written for anyway; we have better things to do; like reading books about prophesies.lets just chit & chat about free will, or Hebrew translations or something; that will save our souls.
No need to take everything Jesus said seriously; no one can understand anyway.
The important thing is to just talk about scriptures, and quote as many scriptures, and God will understand that we are interested. Oh yes; don’t forget to praise God: He loves that.As for prophesies; just read books; it’s all there; all explained for us, after all, they are the learned masters.
And we love reading, but not prophesies; anything but prophesies.
Even if Jesus said: blessed is he that read this book.(rev). Don’t take that literally; it’s symbolic.As I said before; and the land is desolate. Desolation even until the consummation.
This is clear to see, and also by the multitude of splinter churches, each own doctrine.
Each own truth, own Holy Spirit, own Jesus, and own God.
But praise God, there IS a little flock.
Luke 12:32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
Yes, only a little flock will get the kingdom, for many are called but a few chosen.
Those are the ones that follow the Lamb wethersoever He goeth, for they are virgins.
And they only knew the new song.
The rest must be put to the test; the lip worshippers will fail the test; there will be gnashing of teeth.Sorry, no smooth lying words available here, try next door.
Shalom.
wakeup.Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God:
for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.People get put off prophecy because of the teachers. They all teach their version of it and all claim to be right. Honestly, what are the chances that you are right for example?
Then you have to couple in the fact that prophecy is revealed in its time. It remains a mystery up until the point that it is revealed for our own good.
There are many theories out there and many really do have merit. But they can’t all be right.
So while I totally agree that understanding prophecy is very important and we should all be seeking to know the meaning, do not confuse that with people not engaging with teachers who claim to know it all. I mean if we choose the latter, then what is the chance that we would strike the right teacher? Further, I study much prophecy and am honest in my seeking, and take much into consideration. But you have an a number of occasions come along and basically said, I have the truth, here it is, forget about everything else. I have to say that it would be foolish of me do adhere.
For me, I will continue to watch and read, and see where it is all leading to and even take what you say into consideration as I do with other views.
t8.
As the scriptures say; prophesies are written in symbols so the wicked can not understand.
Yes I agree, many have come to interpret prophesies to put off the majority to read and study.
To give up on prophesies, and stay with the milk, as many have been put off.
The correct way to know for sure, who is right, and who is in error,
is by comparing the Words written,in scripture.
We can know if it is correct, only if they all are in harmony; no holes nor cracks, in the whole picture.I am not here to force anyone to believe me, but to encourage everyone to start seeking.
I have nothing to sell for my self, but to bring forth the truth.
To compere prophecy with prophecy, and the gospels included.
It is good to be careful not to get deceived by false teachings, because many wolves have come in to join.
I am very confident, not because of pride as understood by some. But because the scriptures are there to back me up.
Pride is a big stumbling block, because Jesus will not come to the proud and haughty.1 Corinthians 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him EAT OF THAT BREAD, AND DRINK OF THAT CUP.
(John 6:48–58).2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
Examine by comparing scripture with scripture, prophecy with prophecy.
I can see why many have given up on prophesies; because the wolves have come in to sow confusion.
But don’t anyone let them.Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: FOR THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS IS THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY.
The door is wide open in these last days because of technology. Everyone should make use the opportunity.
Revelation 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Shalom.
wakeup.wakeup
you more likely seek if there’s anyone here that can give you understanding so you can some how use it somewhere else ,
you say;I am not here to force anyone to believe me, but to encourage everyone to start seeking.
I have nothing to sell for my self, but to bring forth the truth.at looking at your record you do not have much truth ,i mean godly truth strictly based on scriptures ,
even if we would believe you we would be taken astray far away from the truth ,as for us all we all seek always have ,but for most many do not like to spread rumors and lies and become false prophets ,you do not seem to be bothered with this additional nickname,
My point is that many do not engage in conversation around this because all objectivity has gone out the window. When you post an idea that is worth discussing, or a view that is worth discussing, many prophecy teachers will jump in there and stamp out all opposition to their view.
I personally have learned to listen to what others have to say on prophecy, weigh up the evidence, and decide for myself. What more can I do. If I seek and do not have all the answers, then I believe they will come at the right time. Think about all the men in history who sought to understand the Book of Revelation but could not. Yet it is written that one day the mystery of God will be known. Timing is important.
I guess if teachers of Prophecy could put their view out there and be honest and say it is their view, rather than a truth that should not be questioned, then that would foster a better environment for discussion.
Let’s face it. Many are/have been as passionate on the subject as you and yet teach different views.
- Walid Shoebat
- Barry Smith
- Hal Lindsay
- Eusebius
When I first believed the gospel, I think it fair to say I was passionate about prophecy. I use to go to Barry Smith meetings here in NZ when he came to town. It all seemed fascinating to me. As I have got older, I have weighted things up with more wisdom and dropped some things I use to believe. Perhaps my views back then were more in line with yours now. But the more I see, the more I understand that everything can change in an instant. It only takes one major event that opens up a possible view of the end-times that could be new or traditional.
Nick.
As always, there will be scorners.
I don’t take any notice of them, because they come empty handed, with nothing to offer.
They can do no harm.wakeup.
Hi WU,
The precious words deserve honour but those who offer themselves as teachers but instead misread them?
t8.
Many wolves not called by God, have come in to confuse, to block the way.
A stumbling block to the true seekers.
It is a wise thing not to just believe what they teach I agree.
We must judge them by their fruits, if the picture does not fit; that is not the truth.
But if it fits perfectly, then that is the truth, that can not be disputed using scriptures.
You have made the right stance to watch and listen and compare scriptures.
I see many scorners coming empty handed; without anything to proof.
These we must avoid, they are there to cause disruptions.Shalom.
wakeup.t8
very eloquently said much better than i ever could say it , to me truth as to be our first task ,and we should make sure that what we declare to be true his just that , like you say giving a view or opinion is a way to learn and exchange of knowledge acquired ,
no one should be afraid to talk in this environment ,but when someone says the word “TRUTH” all eyes are freezing on the words so to speak ,
I have read the scriptures and Daniel/Ezekiel/Revelation so many time i almost can write the books without looking at them ,and i still wonder in many cases,and what my understanding on the inside of me tells me i can tell for people would take to the mental institute,
so i don’t say anything ,
but there still some very clear facts that we have to consider within any prophecy it is not about us but about God and his son
our God and our lord ,
Terra.
And you have nothing to offer scripture wise, but scoldings, and opinions worth zero.
It seems that you can not tell the difference between day and night, after all those years reading.
This tells me something is not right.
The mind has set like concrete, needs to be broken with a hammer, or nothing will come in.
It will stay that way.
Bring forth your scriptural evidence, to proof me wrong, not empty angry words.
Quote scriptures and then explain, because anyone can quote scriptures, and don’t understand what it means.wakeup.
wakeup
Terra.
And you have nothing to offer scripture wise, but scoldings, and opinions worth zero.
It seems that you can not tell the difference between day and night, after all those years reading.
This tells me something is not right.
The mind has set like concrete, needs to be broken with a hammer, or nothing will come in.
It will stay that way.
Bring forth your scriptural evidence, to proof me wrong, not empty angry words.
Quote scriptures and then explain, because anyone can quote scriptures, and don’t understand what it means.wakeup.
1Jn 2:3 We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands.
1Jn 2:4 The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him:
1Jn 2:6 Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.this scriptures says it all ;
1Jn 2:26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray.
1Jn 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.those scriptures above tell you all things
Wakeup
Luke 13:6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
Luke 13:7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?
Luke 13:8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
Luke 13:9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.
God bless you for your hard labour in the Lord, and your patience. So far no-one can come forward and tell you what it is that you teach wrong?
They should debate you, take you to the hot seat, prove you’re wrong in what you are saying.
Instead they irgnore or give scriptures to insult you, to make you look small, yet those scriptures still do not reprove you, nor have anything to do with proving your doctrine correct or false.
You have done much digging around the roots, and used lots of manure, what more can you do?
You are a good teacher Wakeup, but only for those who have ears.no one should be afraid to talk in this environment ,but when someone says the word “TRUTH” all eyes are freezing on the words so to speak ,
You use that word “truth” alot also Pierre. So what is truth?
quoting scriptures out of thin air to make yourself feel more comfortable in your fox hole, does not explain “truth”
All the scriptures are “truth”.I have read the scriptures and Daniel/Ezekiel/Revelation so many time i almost can write the books without looking at them ,and i still wonder in many cases,and what my understanding on the inside of me tells me i can tell for people would take to the mental institute,
We are all christians here reading the same book. You should be confident in what you have learn’t. Come forward, don’t hide.
If you are afraid that you will be corrected then you must doubt you have the truth.so i don’t say anything ,
Yes, just bury it in the sand. Keep it all to yourself. You will get no interest.
but there still some very clear facts that we have to consider within any prophecy it is not about us but about God and his son our God and our lord ,
Not about us? God and his Word is the author. God has laid out his plan for us to find him. Besides God being the creator, and his Word sent to reconcile the world, there are many many details in between.
Man plays an important role here. All men – kings, leaders, nations, the rich, the poor, you, and I.
God has set the stage, and each one of us plays a part.
We will be judged on our performance.Did you learn your lines?
Are you ready in season and out of season?
Do you know the full plan of God?
Tell me what happens in point form from beginning to end.
Show us that God has fed you, and that you have all the gems.
I don’t care if you do it in 300 posts, time to walk the talk now.If you know all these answers, then you truly know Christ.
1Jn 2:4 The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
See I can use that verse against you as well. It doesn’t feel nice does it?
J42
You use that word “truth” alot also Pierre. So what is truth?
quoting scriptures out of thin air to make yourself feel more comfortable in your fox hole, does not explain “truth”
All the scriptures are “truth”.true ; but not all have understanding ;
1Jn 2:24 See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father.
1Jn 2:25 And this is what he promised us—even eternal life.1Jn 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.
lying is a sin ;so is deceit ;
1Jn 3:18 Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth.1Jn 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
1Jn 4:3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
1Jn 4:4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.
1Jn 4:5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them.
1Jn 4:6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.2Jn 1:4 It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us.
anyone that walk in the truth does not make God a liar ,
so all wakeup or your that do not support truth are lies and so have to be discard but so are those that say those things
Terra.
The topic is about prophesies, and you have nothing to offer.
You are CLAIMING that Christ is in you; and so are many others.
Stay on topic.
wakeup.
wakeup
Terra.
The topic is about prophesies, and you have nothing to offer.
You are CLAIMING that Christ is in you; and so are many others.
Stay on topic.
wakeup.
so you mean this topic is about BS that men imagine ?
if prophecy are explain with lies and made up stories this would all be simple BS useless words is that what you mean ? no truth required ?
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