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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 30 2009,16:03) Hi BD,
You Judge that I worship the SUN because I serve the vine?
You believe that it is the “Sun” that causes the vine to live but it is really “Father” away that created the Sun.You will learn one day what this all means until then bask in the Sun but be careful of SUNBURN
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 30 2009,09:21) Quote (princess of the king @ Nov. 30 2009,00:14) bd, have a question for you,
was christ a man of flesh or was he a phantom?
kol tuv
He was flesh and blood and bone
Actually it does not say He had bloodTouch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”
The following scripture seems to indicate that blood will prohibit inheriting the kingdom of God:
I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.My opinion – Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 30 2009,16:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 30 2009,09:21) Quote (princess of the king @ Nov. 30 2009,00:14) bd, have a question for you,
was christ a man of flesh or was he a phantom?
kol tuv
He was flesh and blood and bone
Actually it does not say He had bloodTouch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”
The following scripture seems to indicate that blood will prohibit inheriting the kingdom of God:
I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.My opinion – Wm
You can't be serious or don't you know that Jesus ate fish and honeycomb this is not possible without blood besides tha bible says no blood no life because the blood is the life of the flesh thereof.Quote
You can't be serious or don't you know that Jesus ate fish and honeycomb this is not possible without blood besides the bible says no blood no life because the blood is the life of the flesh thereof.You argue that you can't eat without blood, is this based on your thorough understanding of the incorruptible flesh that we will have once resurrected. And while I agree in our flesh, that life is in the blood, once again I believe you claim knowledge of more then is known.
1 Corinthians 15: 42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven. 50 I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.My opinion – Wm
1Corinthians 15:42 So [houtó] also [kai] is the [hé] resurrection [anastasis] of the [hé] dead [nekros]. It is sown [speiretai] in [en] corruption [phthora] it is raised [egeiretai] in [en] incorruption [aphtharsia].
Houtó: After that.
Kai: And.
Hé: The.
Anastasis: Resurrection. [A raising up].
Hé: The.
Nekros: Dead. [The same as “nekus” (a dead body)].
Speiretai: Sow. [To sow (seed), in other words to bury].
En: About. [In, with, as].
Phthora: Corruption. [Destruction, perishable].
Egeiretai: Awake. [To waken, to raise up, raised, rise again].
En: About. [In, with, as].
Aphtharsia: Incorruptibility. [Immortality, imperishable, unending existence].
Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 30 2009,17:16) Quote
You can't be serious or don't you know that Jesus ate fish and honeycomb this is not possible without blood besides the bible says no blood no life because the blood is the life of the flesh thereof.You argue that you can't eat without blood, is this based on your thorough understanding of the incorruptible flesh that we will have once resurrected. And while I agree in our flesh, that life is in the blood, once again I believe you claim knowledge of more then is known.
1 Corinthians 15: 42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven. 50 I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.My opinion – Wm
You should finish the next few sentences when it says but the corruptible must put on incorruption.Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 30 2009,16:27) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 30 2009,16:03) Hi BD,
You Judge that I worship the SUN because I serve the vine?
You believe that it is the “Sun” that causes the vine to live but it is really “Father” away that created the Sun.You will learn one day what this all means until then bask in the Sun but be careful of SUNBURN
Hi BD,
You should not judge those who seek to be faithful when you have abandoned the Son of God for another false lord.The vine serves the Gardener and those branches that let the Spirit life work through them do too.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2009,09:51) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 30 2009,16:27) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 30 2009,16:03) Hi BD,
You Judge that I worship the SUN because I serve the vine?
You believe that it is the “Sun” that causes the vine to live but it is really “Father” away that created the Sun.You will learn one day what this all means until then bask in the Sun but be careful of SUNBURN
Hi BD,
You should not judge those who seek to be faithful when you have abandoned the Son of God for another false lord.The vine serves the Gardener and those branches that let the Spirit life work through them do too.
Why not be faithful to God and hold HIM as Supreme in your life and not some kind of associate or partner?Jesus told you to worship the way I am telling you but you keep putting him on par with his God.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2009,11:59) Hi BD,
Those branches that are useless are cut off.
What of those that separate themselves?
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Romans 11:31-33What does mercy upon all whom don't believe mean?
Hi BD,
His mercy is offered in Jesus to believers from any background.
Take up the offer as Islam cannot save you.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2009,15:31) Hi BD,
His mercy is offered in Jesus to believers from any background.
Take up the offer as Islam cannot save you.
That's not what romans says it says that GOD has CONCLUDED them ALL in UNBELIEFQuote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,14:09) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2009,15:31) Hi BD,
His mercy is offered in Jesus to believers from any background.
Take up the offer as Islam cannot save you.
That's not what romans says it says that GOD has CONCLUDED them ALL in UNBELIEF
Romans 11″23-24(KJV) reads:Quote And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
When the Jews believe then they will receive the promised mercy but not until then will they be grafted back into the olive tree of God.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 01 2009,19:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,14:09) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2009,15:31) Hi BD,
His mercy is offered in Jesus to believers from any background.
Take up the offer as Islam cannot save you.
That's not what romans says it says that GOD has CONCLUDED them ALL in UNBELIEF
Romans 11″23-24(KJV) reads:Quote And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
When the Jews believe then they will receive the promised mercy but not until then will they be grafted back into the olive tree of God.
Can you really use the previous verses to offset the final verses of that chapter?32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
How come these verses are not clear to you?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,14:30) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 01 2009,19:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,14:09) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2009,15:31) Hi BD,
His mercy is offered in Jesus to believers from any background.
Take up the offer as Islam cannot save you.
That's not what romans says it says that GOD has CONCLUDED them ALL in UNBELIEF
Romans 11″23-24(KJV) reads:Quote And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
When the Jews believe then they will receive the promised mercy but not until then will they be grafted back into the olive tree of God.
Can you really use the previous verses to offset the final verses of that chapter?32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
How come these verses are not clear to you?
I added context to those versus. If God states that all Jews will come to believe in Jesus the Anointed One then all Jews will come to believe in Jesus the Anointed One. If they do this because of envy of the Gentiles who hold Jesus up as King of everything in heaven and on earth then so be it.I am not sure your interpretation is correct since it hangs on the definition of “all”. A disobedient Jew may simply be excluded from being a Jew therefore a Jew is by definition obedient to God's teachings.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 01 2009,19:40) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,14:30) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 01 2009,19:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,14:09) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2009,15:31) Hi BD,
His mercy is offered in Jesus to believers from any background.
Take up the offer as Islam cannot save you.
That's not what romans says it says that GOD has CONCLUDED them ALL in UNBELIEF
Romans 11″23-24(KJV) reads:Quote And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
When the Jews believe then they will receive the promised mercy but not until then will they be grafted back into the olive tree of God.
Can you really use the previous verses to offset the final verses of that chapter?32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
How come these verses are not clear to you?
I added context to those versus. If God states that all Jews will come to believe in Jesus the Anointed One then all Jews will come to believe in Jesus the Anointed One. If they do this because of envy of the Gentiles who hold Jesus up as King of everything in heaven and on earth then so be it.I am not sure your interpretation is correct since it hangs on the definition of “all”. A disobedient Jew may simply be excluded from being a Jew therefore a Jew is by definition obedient to God's teachings.
“God has concluded them all in unbelief”You are not dealing with this.
It's talking about Jews and gentiles
Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 29 2009,22:16) Quote
You can't be serious or don't you know that Jesus ate fish and honeycomb this is not possible without blood besides the bible says no blood no life because the blood is the life of the flesh thereof.You argue that you can't eat without blood, is this based on your thorough understanding of the incorruptible flesh that we will have once resurrected. And while I agree in our flesh, that life is in the blood, once again I believe you claim knowledge of more then is known.
1 Corinthians 15: 42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven. 50 I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.My opinion – Wm
Actually the only folks that will have put on INcorruptable flesh in the resurrection is the righteous. The wicked will have corruptable flesh and then destroyed.Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,15:20) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 01 2009,19:40) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,14:30) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 01 2009,19:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,14:09) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2009,15:31) Hi BD,
His mercy is offered in Jesus to believers from any background.
Take up the offer as Islam cannot save you.
That's not what romans says it says that GOD has CONCLUDED them ALL in UNBELIEF
Romans 11″23-24(KJV) reads:Quote And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
When the Jews believe then they will receive the promised mercy but not until then will they be grafted back into the olive tree of God.
Can you really use the previous verses to offset the final verses of that chapter?32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
How come these verses are not clear to you?
I added context to those versus. If God states that all Jews will come to believe in Jesus the Anointed One then all Jews will come to believe in Jesus the Anointed One. If they do this because of envy of the Gentiles who hold Jesus up as King of everything in heaven and on earth then so be it.I am not sure your interpretation is correct since it hangs on the definition of “all”. A disobedient Jew may simply be excluded from being a Jew therefore a Jew is by definition obedient to God's teachings.
“God has concluded them all in unbelief”You are not dealing with this.
It's talking about Jews and gentiles
I am going to say you are misunderstanding what Paul is stating if you conclude those who do not believe Jesus is the Anointed One, after hearing and comprehending his teachings, will enter the kingdom of heaven. Paul also teaches that a Jew is a Jew if circumcised in the heart. That teaching is in the same letter to the church in Rome.A person who hears the message of righteousness that comes through faith by obeying all of Jesus’ teachings and rejects that message does not hunger and thirst for righteousness. A person who does not hunger and thirst for righteousness loves the darkness and so refuses to come into the light.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 01 2009,23:00) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,15:20) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 01 2009,19:40) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,14:30) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 01 2009,19:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,14:09) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2009,15:31) Hi BD,
His mercy is offered in Jesus to believers from any background.
Take up the offer as Islam cannot save you.
That's not what romans says it says that GOD has CONCLUDED them ALL in UNBELIEF
Romans 11″23-24(KJV) reads:Quote And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
When the Jews believe then they will receive the promised mercy but not until then will they be grafted back into the olive tree of God.
Can you really use the previous verses to offset the final verses of that chapter?32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
How come these verses are not clear to you?
I added context to those versus. If God states that all Jews will come to believe in Jesus the Anointed One then all Jews will come to believe in Jesus the Anointed One. If they do this because of envy of the Gentiles who hold Jesus up as King of everything in heaven and on earth then so be it.I am not sure your interpretation is correct since it hangs on the definition of “all”. A disobedient Jew may simply be excluded from being a Jew therefore a Jew is by definition obedient to God's teachings.
“God has concluded them all in unbelief”You are not dealing with this.
It's talking about Jews and gentiles
I am going to say you are misunderstanding what Paul is stating if you conclude those who do not believe Jesus is the Anointed One, after hearing and comprehending his teachings, will enter the kingdom of heaven. Paul also teaches that a Jew is a Jew if circumcised in the heart. That teaching is in the same letter to the church in Rome.A person who hears the message of righteousness that comes through faith by obeying all of Jesus’ teachings and rejects that message does not hunger and thirst for righteousness. A person who does not hunger and thirst for righteousness loves the darkness and so refuses to come into the light.
You still are avoiding the implication of the statement.The scripture there is clear but to assist you in grasping what I am saying:
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
Romans 11:27-29This is clearly stating they are rejecting the Gospel but are accepted anyway.
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