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I do not feel good celebrating my birthday. I used to be a jehovas Witness. I still believe a lot of their teachings. But I separated myself from them because I did not believe exactly what they did, so I was looked as an apostate. I have tried to enjoy it but my consious bothers me. Do you have any input on that? Thank you agape love to you all
I am sorry I was not done…:D … I have 5 teenagers that have been influenced by the world in to celebrating, since we dont go to any church anymore[ we study the scriptures at home] it is very hard to keep them from being influenced, especially when I tried to celebrate it myself for a few years, but then decided that it was a kind of self worship in a way, what do you think? is there any records of birthdays being celebrated by early christians? thank you !
While I believe that the celebration of birthdays is not a problem, whatever is not of faith, is sin. Escaping “religion” and it's “man made” traditions is a process by which you forget what you've been taught about God and what He demands, and study scripture to find the truth that will set you free. I pray that you find this peace.
Wm
ST,
Excellent words of wisdom.
Hi Elaine,
I love celebrations. We celebrate all kinds of things at our house. Our children are adopted and so we celebrate the day they joined our family; we celebrate birthdays, Christmas, Easter, 4th of July and other anniversaries, ect. I know that quite a few believer's on this site would condemn me for celebrating, but I have found peace with God about this. I think that there are times when you can become way too legalistic about life. Paul tells us that some view one day more special than the other – some can eat meat while others can eat only veggies……but whatever we do, do it unto the LORD. When I celebrate my child's birthday, I give thanks to God for my child. I remember that my child is gift to me. I recognize that their birth is important to God – he has a purpose for their life. I celebrate all of these things.
In the Bible days they had the feasts and Passover celebrations and so on. We have our celebrations. Hey, the 4th of July is HUGE celebration at our house. Our neighborhood spends thousands of dollars in celebrating. As a country it is highly significant to us and so why not celebrate it?
I think people probably celebrated when it rained, for instance; they rejoiced because their crops would be profitable and they would have food and not starve. Did they worship some rain god because they celebrated the rain? I would guess not…. This is just an example of how we can get carried away with our legalism.
We will probably not be able to find a birthday celebration in the Bible (that is, with a cake and presents), but consider this – when Jesus was born, a host of angels came down from heaven and sang!! Now there's a birthday party!
If it wasn't for God giving his Son; if it wasn't for Jesus having a birthday; well, none of us would be saved. Praise God for special days and celebrations. We are supposed to praise God and enjoy our lives. God gives us special days to enjoy. This is my conviction to date, however, I have a very teachable spirit. Ecclesiastes 3: 4
[For everything there is a season] a time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance.
Every year on my birthday, do you know what I do? I dance before the LORD! And he is well pleased with me…..
Everything you do, do unto the LORD
Birthday? My flesh is dead. If I were to celebrate a birth- day I would celebrate my real birth-day. The day I met the Lord Jesus Christ.
I just turned 40. I didn't celebrate
. Just another day IMO. I personally don't see anything wrong with it. Is there any scriptural grounds for not celebrating a birthday?What I have learned is this: I dont have a bible to find the right scriptures right now, but my understanding is: first, it is well documented that pagan celebrations were condemned by God. The ritual of lighting the candles on the cake are supposed to have pagan origins. there is a scripture that says something like this: ''…What does light have in common with darkness?'… or something to that effect… Would Jesus have put candles on a cake to celebrate a loved one's birthday? if HE knows the ligthing of the candles is a pagan ritual? I need to find out more about this pagan ritual before I go on with my point. I know that a lot of our traditions are a mix of pagan and christian customes that were incorporated by the governments to 'unite' all common peoples[ or I guess to keep everybody 'happy']I will see you guys later!
Pagan History of Birthday Cakes:
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Origin of Birthday Cakes dates back to ancient times but the cake of then was very different from what we have today. The word ‘cake’ is said to have coined as early as 13th century and is said to have derived from ‘kaka’- an Old Norse word.
Definition of Birthday Cake
In Western culture Birthday Cake is defined as a pastry or dessert served to a person on his or her birthday. Birthday cakes are usually decorated with person’s name and carry a message of congratulations. Candles equal to the number of year’s a person has been alive are also placed on the cake. There is also a tradition to place one extra candle to bring good luck. Birthday cakes are usually spongy and the most popular flavour in cakes is chocolate.
Birthday Cake History
History of Birthday Cake can be traced back to the ancient Greeks who made round or moon shaped honey cakes or bread and took it to the temple of Artemis -the Goddess of Moon. Some scholars, however, believe that the tradition of Birthday cake started in Germany in Middle Ages. This special birthday cake later reemerged in Germany as a Kinderfest or the birthday celebrations of a young child. Germans also baked another special kind of a cake called Geburtstagorten as it was baked in layers. This was sweeter that the coarse and bread like cake that were usually made at that time.
Why is Birthday Cake Round?
In earlier times, Birthday cakes were mostly round in shape. Scholars associate religious beliefs and technical compulsions for the same. Greeks offered round shape cake to the Goddess of Moon – Artemis as it signified moon. They even placed candles on the cake to make the cake glow like the moon.
Some scholars opine that cake in the ancient world has association with the annual cycles. Round shapes of cakes were preferred as these represented the cyclical nature of life. Most specifically, the sun and moon.
Technical reason given for the roundness of the cake is that most cakes we know off advanced from the bread. In ancient times breads and cakes were made by hand. Typically, these were fashioned into round balls and baked on hearthstones or in low, shallow pans. Hence, these naturally relaxed into round shapes. With the progress of times baking pans of various shapes were developed and today we see cakes in imaginative shapes and sizes.
Tradition of Putting Candles on Birthday Cake
Tradition of placing candles on Birthday cake is attributed to early Greeks, who used place lit candles on cakes to make them glow like the moon. Greeks used to take the cake to the temple of Artemis-the Goddess of Moon. Some scholars say that candles were placed on the cake because people believe that the smoke of the candle carried their wishes and prayers to Gods who lived in the skies. Others believe that the custom originated in Germany where people used to place a large candle in the centre of the cake to symbolize ‘the light of life’.
In present times too, people place candles on Birthday cakes and a silent wish is made before blowing out the candle. It is believed that blowing out all candles in one breath means the wish will come true and the person with enjoy good luck in the coming year. Some also smear out the name of the person before slicing of the cake to bring good luck.
Traditions and Superstitious Beliefs Related to Birthday Cake
In medieval times people of England used to place symbolic objects like coins, rings and thimbles in the batter of the cake. It was believed that those who found coin in the cake would be wealthy while the unlucky finder of the thimble would never marry. Wedding was signified for the person who found the slice of cake with ring. Even today some people follow the tradition and place small figures, fake coins and small candies inside the cake.
If the cake fell while baking it was considered to be a bad omen and signified bad luck for the person in the coming year.
I found this info in pagan activist website. weird I dont know what this site is all about but I am afraid of looking into it:O I also found info in favor of birthdays :
I have been a student of the Bible since 1968, and although I learned of the JW doctrine that year, I was not convinced birthdays had a pagan origin based upon the two events of Pharaoh and Herod. There was nothing in these passages that indicated birthdays were of pagan origin. What was evident, is that two men, separated by nearly 1,600 years held their birthday as a special event to celebrate. On the face of this reality, it became obvious these two men of record were observing a day associated with themselves and not an idol or pagan god. Paganism has at its root, idolatrous religious practices and beliefs that are condemned in the Word of God.
For a teaching to be SOUND DOCTRINE, it must have a Biblical basis. There is not one Scripture in the whole Bible that condemns birthdays, observing the annual day, or counting them. Each and every time I have had to confront the accusations I am allowing paganism, I have asked for Bible and not one person yet has produced a single verse where the celebration is condemned. Most often, the issue of observing birthdays is brought up by novices trying to go past the Pastor in his doctrine and standards, and then use it to cast doubt on his ministry. I have seen people attack their Pastor, spread evil against him among the saints, and split churches over the one issue of observing birthdays. The evil that was used to destroy a church was much more evil then observing birthdays. But, once a person wants to destroy a Pastor any excuse will suffice, observing birthdays just one of them.
The Law:
There is nothing in the 613 precepts of the Law about birthdays. If God does not specifically condemn or prohibit something, then man has no authority to create a law and bind it upon others for obedience and faith. Man-made edicts and religious laws have no Scriptural authority. No one is obligated to follow or observe what is not found in the Word of God by principle or by direct reference. There is nothing in the Word of God that by principle or direct reference condemns observing birthdays.The New Testament:
There is not one verse of Scripture in the New Testament against observing birthdays. Even when John was beheaded on Herod's birthday, the Church did not issue a warrant in form of doctrine to exclude those from the Church who observed theirs.Candles, round cakes, etc.
I was given a silly piece of internet junk the other day that claimed birthdays were pagan because candles representing each year of a person's life was used to decorate the round cake. In this anti-birthday article it was claimed that round birthday cakes were a symbol of the sun god. I read through the print-out and was amused at how this was so neatly woven with falsehood and yet so many believe this kind of stuff has Divine sanction and blessing. There is absolutely no historical record that candles on a birthday cake are of pagan origin. Nothing that round birthday cakes represent the sun or the sun god. Most cakes are square or rectangle. These are all fantastic suppositions that have no historical foundation.God used seven candles in the Tabernacle and also twelve round loaves of bread on the Showbread Table. It is true the Menorah was not actually made of wax candles, but they nevertheless were still representative of lamps of fire and are called candlesticks in the Word of God. While it is true, these seven candlesticks of fire are not used for birthday observance, we do not know in their full revelation what all they represent. These are symbolic just as the Showbread represented something. While I am not agreeing with the following I do believe it has some merit. It is asserted that the Candlestick
s and Showbread represent the two direct means of revelation: 1.) illumination by light (knowledge) as given directly by the Spirit; and 2.) understanding and revelation by the Word of God. Thus, these two emblematic symbols represent the two different means God uses to reveal Truth. The Spirit and the Word are the two methods God uses to fellowship with man. The Candlesticks are further thought to represent the seven days of creation wherein all things are created or born of the power of God. Thus, the creation of a new man/woman in Christ is observed as being “born again”, a specific day to be remembered and celebrated when God made us a new creation. What has all this got to do with birthdays? Really a lot! It does go to show, there can be more to an issue then the cry paganism when it comes to the use of candles and what they might represent. The fact that candles may be used to represent each year of a person's life from the time they were born, cannot be labeled paganism so easily. It may be claimed, but has yet to be proven after 175 years of JW's trying to spread their false doctrine. It is believed, and with good suspicion, that Charles Taze Russell, founder of the JWs, got his doctrine against observing birthdays from his association with the Masonic Lodge, and directly from Islamic influence. Yes, there is an abundance of Islamic teaching veiled in many rituals of the Lodge. Muslims do not believe in observing birthdays and devout Caliphs do not observe the birthday of Mohammed. Russell had even more reason to crank out a doctrine against birthday celebration with his stand against Christmas, the alleged birthday of Jesus. It was from this event on December 25 that Russell forged his doctrine against pagan holidays and birthdays, all in one neat package. He could teach against the birthday of the Son of God and go back and pick up the ancient festival of the birthday of the sun, or sun god, and show where they were mixed.Dies Natalis Invicti or Sol Invictus:
So far as we can determine, Dies Natalis Invicti was first celebrated in Rome by order of the Emperor Aurelian around 270AD. Attempts to connect this to the worship of Baal or to sun-god worship lacks proof. Even Hislop presents a sloppy and undocumented account, painting his picture based upon his own theories. Never once does he cite a source that backs up his claims. He uses his own hand-drawn pictures and makes comparisions and from these convinces others he has done his research. The fact is, he has not documented anything unless he can specifically make a tie and prove this with testimony. The Dies Natalis Invicti or birth of the unconquered sun, is not a celebration of birthday at all! What was celebrated in this pagan observance?The entire annual celebration was centered around the winter solstice, the shortest day of the year. Meaning, of the 24 hours in a day, there was much more darkness then daylight. The winter solstice was the shortest day of the year. Ancient astronomers had already discovered there were two days of the year when there was exactly the same amount of daylight and darkness. This was called an equinox day. They discovered there was one day of the year where there was more darkness then light and a day when there was more light then darkness. The winter solstice was the day there was more darkness then daylight. This day marked the reverse tilt of the earth on its axis when the days would slowly get longer and the nighttime shorter. On this day, when the sun began to gain back its dominance of the 24 hour period, it was celebrated as the REBIRTH of the sun, not the sun's birthday. Herein is something the anti-birthday people will not admit. Biblically, we know the birthday of the sun was NOT ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE CREATION WEEK! God did indeed say:”let there be light” on the first day of the week, but this was not the birthday of the sun. According to the Genesis account the sun was created on the fourth day of creation. The crying that has been going on about worship of the birthday of the sun is nothing but false tears. If we compare the creation week with our present week, the first day called Sunday would not be the day of the sun, but rather Wednesday, the 4th day of the week would be called the day of the birth of the sun. While this would be a weekly observance we are looking for the annual event this might be held. It is unreasonable to think God created the sun and gave darkness more time of the day then the sun had. It is far better to think that when God made the sun and the moon, he gave equal time to light and darkness. Thus, a more accurate and reasonable time of the year to celebrate the birth or creation of the sun would be on one of the two equinox dates.
Whatever the case, the Latin observance of Dies Natalis Invicti was indeed replaced by the Catholic Church with the observance of the birth of Jesus. It is true Christmas is a pagan holiday and the practice holds much of the ancient Saturnalia. Other then the falsehood the birth of Jesus was on this date and used to replace a pagan holiday, where is there any truth that birthdays are pagan? There is none!
Biblical observance of birthdays:
I have remarked to many over the years that counting how old a person is, starting from their birthday, is observing one's birth date. It does not mean you had cake and ice cream and received gifts when you were born. That is true. Nevertheless, to even count a birth date as an event to determine one's solar or sun-year of life, would be observing it is some manner or fashion. The year is based upon the sun and its annual circuit through the universe. We mark off these 365 days to make the complete circle and divide them into months and these into weeks and then into seven days. Counting your birthdays is then observing the law of the universe that God set in motion when he said the two great lights would be for “signs, seasons, days, and years.” Now God said all this! A year is a revolution of time. I was doing some research into the Hebrew word “days” (yowm: Strong's #3117), many years ago and noticed that it not only described sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next sunset (evening and morning were the first day–sunset to sunset); but that certain days had annual significance. For instance, God commanded Passover to be observed on the exact same day of the lunar month every year. Likewise with the day of the Feast of Pentecost and the day of Atonement. Other annual days were commanded. These future days of celebration and observance were tied to one day in history where God wrought a beautiful and wonderful thing. These annual days were born from incidents to be remembered. Because of this, the Hebrew word “yowm” included days of “birth.” Go and look for yourself!Hebrew 3117. yowm, yome; from an unused root mean. to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether lit. (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or fig. (a space of time defined by an associated term), [often used adv.]:-age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (…live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger
I dont know what to thing yet! I need to study this see you later!If it is proven that the cake candles are directly a result of a pagan celebration, I would not use them. that would be morally wrong. If there is proof of a pagan tradition in relation to the cake in a birthday, it would not be right to use it. But if there is no paganism associated with having a birthday cake then, it would be ok, just dont use the candles! It seems very simple! I guess i kind of answer my questions. The issue for me know would be to find out about the candles who is right? where they pagan in origin? or they are just assumptions? Do any of you know about it? thank you!
I found a good scripture for this issue. My thing would be to decide if the candles are definitely of pagan origin.
2 corinthians 6: 14-18
14 Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness? 15 Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Be´li·al? Or what portion does a faithful person have with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement does God’s temple have with idols? For we are a temple of a living God; just as God said: “I shall reside among them and walk among [them], and I shall be their God, and they will be my people.” 17 “‘Therefore get out from among them, and separate yourselves,’ says Jehovah, ‘and quit touching the unclean thing’”; “‘and I will take YOU in.’” 18 “‘And I shall be a father to YOU, and YOU will be sons and daughters to me,’ says Jehovah the Almighty.”
KJ – you turned 40 and didn't celebrate? Goodness, bro – you should have done something!
Hey, I've known a lot of people who never made it to their 40th birthday. YOU'RE ALIVE……celebrate being alive for 40 years, if nothing else. Ha!Look, this is my *sometimes* humble opinion…..you can find writings/books/research/professionals/pastor's and your Uncle to tell you something had “pagen origins.” It's just a matter of who you read and where you do your research. For every negative on a birthday cake, I bet I could find someone in antiquity who wrote something postive! Seriously now, sometimes we get way too legalistic. Seriously. Ha!
What does light have to do with darkness? Well, I certainly don't think that when taken in context this had to do with lighting candles on a birthday cake
Some of these ideas are infered into the context by personally adopted belief systems, surely.When I celebrate a birthday, I am not celebrating flesh, I am celebrating LIFE. The life that was born and given. Again, I think we struggle with false humility and it can become something of a burden and stumbling block to others.
I say chill-out. Enjoy what God has given us. He has given us life – and some of us he has allowed to be here on this earth for 40 years enjoying our loved ones and friends – I say give God thanks and do a jig – celebrate good times and blessings from above.
Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 17 2007,03:17) Birthday? My flesh is dead. If I were to celebrate a birth- day I would celebrate my real birth-day. The day I met the Lord Jesus Christ.
Did Jesus have a “real” birthday? He certainly did.I think to downplay our birthdays is to not give God thanks for giving us life.
Are you excited when your children are born? Did you ever hand out cigars (wow, there's a potentially “pagen” moment for ya if you want to research that one! I bet you can find something wrong with handing out cigars too – ha).
When a child is born – we are excited and celebrate. Why does the celebration stop after they are born? Is it only a pagen ritual to celebrate or commemorate the birthday after the actual event? Or is it also a pagen ritual to celebrate the birth of your child the moment he/she is born?
You can see how this easily gets out of hand and you begin to obey the legal instead of celebrating the life.
The law didn't work, folks. We can't keep the law. Go ahead and try but if you break one tiny commandment – you've broken them ALL. You will live and die by the commandments. Good luck with that.
Jesus came because the law was not brining life. Instead it was showing people where they were dead. Jesus came to bring life – not law.
I don't break God's laws on purpose, none of us do. But are we able to keep them *all*? Who here on HeavenNet can boast that they have kept *all* the commandments? Please come forward so that we may give you homage (high five's and atta'boys). Please also come forward so that we may know someone for whom Christ did not need to die for
Hi Elaine:
This quote from the article that you pasted is true and used for your guide on this issue:
Quote For a teaching to be SOUND DOCTRINE, it must have a Biblical basis. There is not one Scripture in the whole Bible that condemns birthdays, observing the annual day, or counting them. Each and every time I have had to confront the accusations I am allowing paganism, I have asked for Bible and not one person yet has produced a single verse where the celebration is condemned. Most often, the issue of observing birthdays is brought up by novices trying to go past the Pastor in his doctrine and standards, and then use it to cast doubt on his ministry. I have seen people attack their Pastor, spread evil against him among the saints, and split churches over the one issue of observing birthdays. The evil that was used to destroy a church was much more evil then observing birthdays. But, once a person wants to destroy a Pastor any excuse will suffice, observing birthdays just one of them. The Law:
There is nothing in the 613 precepts of the Law about birthdays. If God does not specifically condemn or prohibit something, then man has no authority to create a law and bind it upon others for obedience and faith. Man-made edicts and religious laws have no Scriptural authority. No one is obligated to follow or observe what is not found in the Word of God by principle or by direct reference. There is nothing in the Word of God that by principle or direct reference condemns observing birthdays.The New Testament:
There is not one verse of Scripture in the New Testament against observing birthdays. Even when John was beheaded on Herod's birthday, the Church did not issue a warrant in form of doctrine to exclude those from the Church who observed theirs.I celebrate each day including my birthday thanking God for all that He has done for me and all that he is doing for me on a continual basis.
The heathen find every excuse to celebrate, and the way they generally celebrate is by getting drunk and doing all kind of things that they do not remember the next day. I used to do those things too. Of course, knowing the truth and being in a personal relationship with God we would not want to celebrate in this manner.
We as born again Christians have something to celebrate every day. They, the heathen, do not.
God Bless
Hi 942
I agree with some but for me the quest still remains as far as the candles and their meaning. If I cannot find out for a fact that they were used with pagan purposes I will still refrain from using them just in case. I can still celebrate the birthday but without candles it is ok, at least I can tell my kids what I have learned. Thank you all! Not3,
My lack of celebration had nothing to do with biblical reasons. I just don't feel that birthdays are special in my own life. I will give gifts and celebrate others' birthdays, but I do not make a big deal over my own. Just another day IMO.
Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 17 2007,08:13) Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 17 2007,03:17) Birthday? My flesh is dead. If I were to celebrate a birth- day I would celebrate my real birth-day. The day I met the Lord Jesus Christ.
Did Jesus have a “real” birthday? He certainly did.I think to downplay our birthdays is to not give God thanks for giving us life.
Are you excited when your children are born? Did you ever hand out cigars (wow, there's a potentially “pagen” moment for ya if you want to research that one! I bet you can find something wrong with handing out cigars too – ha).
When a child is born – we are excited and celebrate. Why does the celebration stop after they are born? Is it only a pagen ritual to celebrate or commemorate the birthday after the actual event? Or is it also a pagen ritual to celebrate the birth of your child the moment he/she is born?
You can see how this easily gets out of hand and you begin to obey the legal instead of celebrating the life.
The law didn't work, folks. We can't keep the law. Go ahead and try but if you break one tiny commandment – you've broken them ALL. You will live and die by the commandments. Good luck with that.
Jesus came because the law was not brining life. Instead it was showing people where they were dead. Jesus came to bring life – not law.
I don't break God's laws on purpose, none of us do. But are we able to keep them *all*? Who here on HeavenNet can boast that they have kept *all* the commandments? Please come forward so that we may give you homage (high five's and atta'boys). Please also come forward so that we may know someone for whom Christ did not need to die for
Jesus was born of God. We were born of the flesh and sin. Your real birth didn't happen until you accepted Christ and gave up the OLD man.Rom 8:5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit.
IHN&L,
Ken
Elain,
I am probably the only person here who celebrated the Feasts. There are some thing I will not celebrate because they are “replacement feasts”, set forth by human beings who want us to forget who Israel is and are.I do not celebrate Easter, it replaces Passover. Passover is YHWH's appointed time.
I do not celebrate any holiday which contains the word Saint. I do not honor saints. I honor Y'shua Messiah, and our Father in heaven YHWH.
I do however celebrate new babies, weddings, birthdays and all or any milestones we reach. As long as they do not fall within His Feasts or His Sabbaths. If they do I schedule around Him.
Y'shua Messiah was born durring the Feast of tabernacles. We SHOULD celebrate it and what is still to come on Tabernacles, for it remains to be a time of wonder and blessings.
As for the fact you have no Bible, you will find one on the internet. Actually any and all versions are avaiable. I like e-sword. A free downloadable program so you do not have to be connected to the web to use it. http://www.e-sword.net
Love in Messiah Y'shua,
LaurelQuote (kenrch @ Aug. 17 2007,15:11) Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 17 2007,08:13) Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 17 2007,03:17) Birthday? My flesh is dead. If I were to celebrate a birth- day I would celebrate my real birth-day. The day I met the Lord Jesus Christ.
Did Jesus have a “real” birthday? He certainly did.I think to downplay our birthdays is to not give God thanks for giving us life.
Are you excited when your children are born? Did you ever hand out cigars (wow, there's a potentially “pagen” moment for ya if you want to research that one! I bet you can find something wrong with handing out cigars too – ha).
When a child is born – we are excited and celebrate. Why does the celebration stop after they are born? Is it only a pagen ritual to celebrate or commemorate the birthday after the actual event? Or is it also a pagen ritual to celebrate the birth of your child the moment he/she is born?
You can see how this easily gets out of hand and you begin to obey the legal instead of celebrating the life.
The law didn't work, folks. We can't keep the law. Go ahead and try but if you break one tiny commandment – you've broken them ALL. You will live and die by the commandments. Good luck with that.
Jesus came because the law was not brining life. Instead it was showing people where they were dead. Jesus came to bring life – not law.
I don't break God's laws on purpose, none of us do. But are we able to keep them *all*? Who here on HeavenNet can boast that they have kept *all* the commandments? Please come forward so that we may give you homage (high five's and atta'boys). Please also come forward so that we may know someone for whom Christ did not need to die for
Jesus was born of God. We were born of the flesh and sin. Your real birth didn't happen until you accepted Christ and gave up the OLD man.Rom 8:5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit.
IHN&L,
Ken
Ah….good verse! Thanks, Ken.I guess I'm a party girl at heart!
I was raised with all kinds of celebrations and entertaining at home. I guess it's in my blood. Plus, I give God glory when I celebrate birthdays, for instance.
But I'm with KJ, I don't think there is anything wrong with celebrating.
Hey, happy 40th KJ! My 40th will come around next year and my husband promises to take me to Hawaii (we'll see). When he turned 40 I planned a huge surprise party and pulled it off! It was totally awesome (dude). Ha!
I respect all those who choose or feel that God has called them to a different choice when it comes to birthdays.
Hey Ken, I've been reading up on the Sabbath. Laurel gave a website I've been studying. Remember when you said you went bike riding on the Sabbath? Well, according to a scripture in Isaiah 58:13 wasn't that wrong? Are we not supposed to put away doing things for our own pleasure? Just curious what you think about that?
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