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[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
Lord of Lords.
The arm of God-God saves.
The Father is his God but not yours?

[Lightenup]

Nick,
Would the Jews worship the Lord of glory?
Did the Jews worship the God with the outstretched arm? If they did, they worshiped the Father and the Son and didn't realize it. You do too, if you worship the God with the outstretched arm.

Do you just worship the God without the outstretched arm?

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
The LORD in the OT is the God of Jesus.
They dared not translate YHWH.

God is one.
He is now also one with His Son.
We too can we one with them but are no more our own gods than the Son is.

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
Is the vine more like the branches or the Gardener?

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
Jesus is the arm of God because God was in him reconciling the world to himself.

[Lightenup]

Nick,

Isn't the Lord in the OT also the God in the OT, the one with the outstretched arm?

[Lightenup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2010,14:24)

Hi LU, Is the vine more like the branches or the Gardener?

Nick,
Is the arm of the body more a part of that body than what is in the hand?

[Lightenup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2010,14:25)

Hi LU, Jesus is the arm of God because God was in him reconciling the world to himself.

Nick,
That is not the only reason.

[terraricca]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2010,06:00)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 22 2010,13:28) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2010,05:20) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 22 2010,01:42) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2010,15:35) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 21 2010,23:01) Hi LU, This is what you said “I suggest that we worship our God; made up of God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.  The angels do. “ Can you explain again how this unity exists and how it is different to our unity with Christ and his God? Do you have two worship forms, one for God and another for our brother? Nick, For as long as there was the Son, the Father and Son were united.  We are not always united with the Father and the Son…we become one, we are not always one. Quote John 17:22-23 22 “The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one; 23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me. NASU I do not recall a time in scriptures that the Father and Son “become” one.  As I understand it, they always were/are one (unity). LU were is the scripture that says that Christ is one with God??? OT ? NT ? Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. Jn 17:22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: Jn 17:23 I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. Jn 17:24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. Jn 17:25 “Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. Jn 17:26 I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.” this is Jesus himself saying that he is one in thought with is father, and so he want that his father help is disciples so that they may also become one with both of them.one thought one will. terraricca, You are manipulating the oneness to read “one thought, one will.”  Where does it say “one thought , one will?” Jesus says the Father and I are one…right?  Do you realize that Jesus is considered by many to be the outstretched arm of God? NASB © And He saw that there was no man, And was astonished that there was no one to intercede; Then His own arm brought salvation to Him, And His righteousness upheld Him. NASB © Behold, the Lord GOD will come with might, With His arm ruling for Him. Behold, His reward is with Him And His recompense before Him. These things Jesus spoke, and He went away and hid R828 F145 Himself from them. 37 But though He had performed so many signs F146 before them, yet they were not believing in Him. 38 This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet which he spoke: “LORD R829 , WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT? AND TO WHOM HAS THE ARM OF THE LORD BEEN REVEALED?” 39 For this reason they could not believe, for Isaiah said again, 40 “HE R830 HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED R831 THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE F147 CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.” 41 These things Isaiah said because he R832 saw His glory, and he R833 spoke of Him. 42 Nevertheless many R834 even of the R835 rulers believed in Him, but because R836 of the Pharisees they were not confessing Him, for fear that they would be put R837 F148 out of the synagogue; 43 for R838 they loved the approval F149 of men rather than the approval F149 of God. LU yes i do know that, but that is not changing what i said to be true, you try to take me away from the fact that Christ ,unity is in spirit (thought) and will,did Jesus not show it when he was on earth??? what interpretation you want to give to the fact that he want to share the oneness with his apostles??and his father.?? terraricca, I do believe that His unity is greater than what you think. Can you rewrite this question…I can't understand what you are asking. Quote what interpretation you want to give to the fact that he want to share the oneness with his apostles??and his father.?? Thanks!

LU

what is your interpretation , to the fact that he want to share the oneness with his apostles and his father.??

is that any better??

[Lightenup]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 22 2010,14:32)

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2010,06:00) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 22 2010,13:28) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2010,05:20) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 22 2010,01:42) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2010,15:35) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 21 2010,23:01) Hi LU, This is what you said “I suggest that we worship our God; made up of God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.  The angels do. “ Can you explain again how this unity exists and how it is different to our unity with Christ and his God? Do you have two worship forms, one for God and another for our brother? Nick, For as long as there was the Son, the Father and Son were united.  We are not always united with the Father and the Son…we become one, we are not always one. Quote John 17:22-23 22 “The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one; 23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me. NASU I do not recall a time in scriptures that the Father and Son “become” one.  As I understand it, they always were/are one (unity). LU were is the scripture that says that Christ is one with God??? OT ? NT ? Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. Jn 17:22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: Jn 17:23 I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. Jn 17:24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. Jn 17:25 “Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. Jn 17:26 I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.” this is Jesus himself saying that he is one in thought with is father, and so he want that his father help is disciples so that they may also become one with both of them.one thought one will. terraricca, You are manipulating the oneness to read “one thought, one will.”  Where does it say “one thought , one will?” Jesus says the Father and I are one…right?  Do you realize that Jesus is considered by many to be the outstretched arm of God? NASB © And He saw that there was no man, And was astonished that there was no one to intercede; Then His own arm brought salvation to Him, And His righteousness upheld Him. NASB © Behold, the Lord GOD will come with might, With His arm ruling for Him. Behold, His reward is with Him And His recompense before Him. These things Jesus spoke, and He went away and hid R828 F145 Himself from them. 37 But though He had performed so many signs F146 before them, yet they were not believing in Him. 38 This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet which he spoke: “LORD R829 , WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT? AND TO WHOM HAS THE ARM OF THE LORD BEEN REVEALED?” 39 For this reason they could not believe, for Isaiah said again, 40 “HE R830 HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED R831 THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE F147 CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.” 41 These things Isaiah said because he R832 saw His glory, and he R833 spoke of Him. 42 Nevertheless many R834 even of the R835 rulers believed in Him, but because R836 of the Pharisees they were not confessing Him, for fear that they would be put R837 F148 out of the synagogue; 43 for R838 they loved the approval F149 of men rather than the approval F149 of God. LU yes i do know that, but that is not changing what i said to be true, you try to take me away from the fact that Christ ,unity is in spirit (thought) and will,did Jesus not show it when he was on earth??? what interpretation you want to give to the fact that he want to share the oneness with his apostles??and his father.?? terraricca, I do believe that His unity is greater than what you think. Can you rewrite this question…I can't understand what you are asking. Quote what interpretation you want to give to the fact that he want to share the oneness with his apostles??and his father.?? Thanks! LU what is your interpretation , to the fact that he want to share the oneness with his apostles and his father.?? is that any better??

terraricca,

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Phil 2:1-4 1 Therefore if there is any encouragement in Christ, if there is any consolation of love, if there is any fellowship R62 of the Spirit, if any affection R63 F22 and compassion, 2 make R64 my joy complete by F23 being R65 of the same mind, maintaining the same love, united in spirit, intent on one purpose. 3 Do nothing from F24 selfishness R66 F25 or empty R67 conceit, but with humility of mind regard R68 one another as more important than yourselves; 4 do R69 not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others.

[terraricca]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2010,06:50)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 22 2010,14:32) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2010,06:00) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 22 2010,13:28) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2010,05:20) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 22 2010,01:42) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2010,15:35) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 21 2010,23:01) Hi LU, This is what you said “I suggest that we worship our God; made up of God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.  The angels do. “ Can you explain again how this unity exists and how it is different to our unity with Christ and his God? Do you have two worship forms, one for God and another for our brother? Nick, For as long as there was the Son, the Father and Son were united.  We are not always united with the Father and the Son…we become one, we are not always one. Quote John 17:22-23 22 “The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one; 23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me. NASU I do not recall a time in scriptures that the Father and Son “become” one.  As I understand it, they always were/are one (unity). LU were is the scripture that says that Christ is one with God??? OT ? NT ? Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. Jn 17:22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: Jn 17:23 I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. Jn 17:24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. Jn 17:25 “Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. Jn 17:26 I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.” this is Jesus himself saying that he is one in thought with is father, and so he want that his father help is disciples so that they may also become one with both of them.one thought one will. terraricca, You are manipulating the oneness to read “one thought, one will.”  Where does it say “one thought , one will?” Jesus says the Father and I are one…right?  Do you realize that Jesus is considered by many to be the outstretched arm of God? NASB © And He saw that there was no man, And was astonished that there was no one to intercede; Then His own arm brought salvation to Him, And His righteousness upheld Him. NASB © Behold, the Lord GOD will come with might, With His arm ruling for Him. Behold, His reward is with Him And His recompense before Him. These things Jesus spoke, and He went away and hid R828 F145 Himself from them. 37 But though He had performed so many signs F146 before them, yet they were not believing in Him. 38 This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet which he spoke: “LORD R829 , WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT? AND TO WHOM HAS THE ARM OF THE LORD BEEN REVEALED?” 39 For this reason they could not believe, for Isaiah said again, 40 “HE R830 HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED R831 THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE F147 CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.” 41 These things Isaiah said because he R832 saw His glory, and he R833 spoke of Him. 42 Nevertheless many R834 even of the R835 rulers believed in Him, but because R836 of the Pharisees they were not confessing Him, for fear that they would be put R837 F148 out of the synagogue; 43 for R838 they loved the approval F149 of men rather than the approval F149 of God. LU yes i do know that, but that is not changing what i said to be true, you try to take me away from the fact that Christ ,unity is in spirit (thought) and will,did Jesus not show it when he was on earth??? what interpretation you want to give to the fact that he want to share the oneness with his apostles??and his father.?? terraricca, I do believe that His unity is greater than what you think. Can you rewrite this question…I can't understand what you are asking. Quote what interpretation you want to give to the fact that he want to share the oneness with his apostles??and his father.?? Thanks! LU what is your interpretation , to the fact that he want to share the oneness with his apostles and his father.?? is that any better?? terraricca, Quote Phil 2:1-4 1 Therefore if there is any encouragement in Christ, if there is any consolation of love, if there is any fellowship R62 of the Spirit, if any affection R63 F22 and compassion, 2 make R64 my joy complete by F23 being R65 of the same mind, maintaining the same love, united in spirit, intent on one purpose. 3 Do nothing from F24 selfishness R66 F25 or empty R67 conceit, but with humility of mind regard R68 one another as more important than yourselves; 4 do R69 not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others.

LU

you answer and not
answer;;;;,I do believe that His unity is greater than what you think.;;;

this is yours could you explain

[Lightenup]

terraricca,
The Father and the Son are united because they are both:
of the same mind
they maintain the same love (1 Cor 13)
they are united in spirit
they are intent on one purpose

We can be of the same mind,
maintain the same love
be united in spirit,
and intent on one purpose.

It means that we can become one even as they are one (in those things).

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
Should we be worshiped too because of this unity?

[Lightenup]

Nick,
And just whom would be worshiping us??? Whom can we save??? Whom can we give eternal life to???

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
So it is what gods can do that makes them gods?
Jesus said we would be able to do greater things than he did.

[terraricca]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2010,08:23)

terraricca, The Father and the Son are united because they are both: of the same mind they maintain the same love (1 Cor 13) they are united in spirit they are intent on one purpose We can be of the same mind, maintain the same love be united in spirit, and intent on one purpose. It means that we can become one even as they are one (in those things).

LU

now why should we worship Christ ?

This is what LU wrote in another post.
“Hi Mike,
There are very few people that would question me as to why I was so insistent on worshipping Jesus AND the Father and they are all on HN. You few are not the norm in the Christian faith, you know that…right? I see Jesus as the Son within the Godhead, you don't. Trinitarians see Jesus as the Son within the Godhead too. That is why the Trinitarians and I can both worship the Son along with the
Father. I disagree with the Trinitarians on some things in the doctrine like the co-equal and co-eternal terms but not the idea of there being a Godhead made up of more than one person.

The people that I read about or learn about that seem full of the Spirit and are very fruitful ALL worship Jesus as a member of the Godhead. They are reaching many for God and are people I would like to be with. God seems to be showing them favor. If they were wrong to worship Jesus and teach others to also, I don't think I would be seeing such fruit and such effective ministries.

Do you know of ministries that are demonstrating the fruit of the HS and are very effective for God that do not consider Jesus as part of the Godhead and only worship the Father? I don't hear of any big orthodox Jewish ministry that is out there healing the sick, clothing the naked and feeding the hungry.

Kathi”

the true reason Christ came into this world is to bring all of ceation to the father so that God can be all in all as one.

Rev 22:8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me.
Rev 22:9 But he said to me, “Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers the prophets and of all who keep the words of this book. Worship God!”

this is the last advise Jhn recieved in Revelation by the ANGEL OF GOD,

SOME PEOPLE DO NOT GET IT.

[Lightenup]

terraricca,
Does your God not have an outstretched arm?

[Lightenup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2010,16:59)

Hi LU, So it is what gods can do that makes them gods? Jesus said we would be able to do greater things than he did.

Nick,
Wasn't Jesus talking about the works that the disciples saw Him do while walking with Him? The disciples didn't see Him create the world or the new world did they? Are they going to do greater things than that.

Would you be content with a God that can not save you? Would you be content with a God that cannot give you eternal life? You don't think that God should be able to do certain things? Surely you don't want satan as your god…he cannot save you or give you eternal life.

Aim high!

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
So it is what he did before he was born of Mary that makes you want to worship him.
But God said the angels should worship him when he brought him into the world.

Should we decide to worship whoever our intellect approves as suitable?
Or do we serve according to instructions given?

[terraricca]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2010,09:09)

terraricca, Does your God not have an outstretched arm?

LU

the father of Christ is my God what i worship,Christ is his ARM

and i recognize him as being the arm who God use to bring us to him,and be one in unity,

so that all can be all in him.

God can give us live he is the one who resuscitates Christ.

he being the first.

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