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If an 'unbeliever' falls under the delusion of Paulianity, do all those christians who insulted him with 'fool' then have to retract that lest they invite hellfire?
Stuart
If an unbeliever of the Santa Singularity doing everything on it's own falls under the delusion of Darwinianity, do all those evolutionary believing apes who persecuted him have to retract what they said now that he has become a darwinian ape like them?
Just wondering.
I would have to check, but I don't remember any mention by Darwin in Origin of Species of whom may be called a fool or in what circumstances sulfur will be the parfum du jour.
Are you ready then t8? You have nothing to fear by seeking the truth. You are already an ape. Darwin's model has no serious objection. Go for it!
While you are contemplating the question, have you counted the number of apologies to fool-called non-believers you will owe in the event they convert? Matthew may front up to Peter and have that included in your File.
Stuart
Hi Stu:
I personally do not call anyone a fool, however there is the following scripture:
Quote Psa 14:1 [[To the chief Musician, [A Psalm] of David.]] The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good.
Psa 53:1 [[To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, [A Psalm] of David.]] The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: [there is] none that doeth good.I believe that the scriptures to which you are referring relate to calling a brother or a sister in Christ a fool.
Quote Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Quote (942767 @ Aug. 09 2008,13:05) Hi Stu: I personally do not call anyone a fool, however there is the following scripture:
Quote Psa 14:1 [[To the chief Musician, [A Psalm] of David.]] The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good.
Psa 53:1 [[To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, [A Psalm] of David.]] The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: [there is] none that doeth good.I believe that the scriptures to which you are referring relate to calling a brother or a sister in Christ a fool.
Quote Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
If Jesus did indeed say this, there was no such thing called a “brother in Christ” then. This would either indicate fellow man or at least a fellow Jew.Hi KJ:
He was teaching his disciples, and it applied to them then and to us now:
Quote Mat 5:1 ¶ And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
Mat 5:2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,Quote (942767 @ Aug. 10 2008,06:05) Hi Stu: I personally do not call anyone a fool, however there is the following scripture:
Quote Psa 14:1 [[To the chief Musician, [A Psalm] of David.]] The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good.
Psa 53:1 [[To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, [A Psalm] of David.]] The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: [there is] none that doeth good.I believe that the scriptures to which you are referring relate to calling a brother or a sister in Christ a fool.
Quote Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Hi 90210You have reposted the verses that formed the beginnings of this discussion on another thread. I asked someone about the contradiction between the Psalmist and others, including Matthew who called people 'fool' and the fact that Matthew tells fool-callers that they are hell-bound.
The reply I got was as you say, the latter refers to believers calling other believers fool. My question then was a Calvanistic one about god knowing already who would convert and then keeping a record of all those who called the unbeliever a fool before the event of the conversion. With the Calvanistic god, any old sense of past and future will do.
Have people here kept cound to all the 'fool' retractions they will need to make if I fall under the Pauline delusion?The ruling on calling 'brothers in christ' fool is interesting, too. Isn't any example of schism effectively calling former 'brothers' fool? Maybe we are down to the last 144,000 who have not cried fool to fellow delusionees.
Stuart
Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 10 2008,12:04) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 09 2008,13:05) Hi Stu: I personally do not call anyone a fool, however there is the following scripture:
Quote Psa 14:1 [[To the chief Musician, [A Psalm] of David.]] The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good.
Psa 53:1 [[To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, [A Psalm] of David.]] The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: [there is] none that doeth good.I believe that the scriptures to which you are referring relate to calling a brother or a sister in Christ a fool.
Quote Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
If Jesus did indeed say this, there was no such thing called a “brother in Christ” then. This would either indicate fellow man or at least a fellow Jew.
Who would become angry with his brother without a cause? Only mentally ill people would be hell-bound under this clause. Elsewhere we read that the worship of those who are disabled is not worthy of god. What a loving godhe is, except if you are mentally ill or disabled.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Aug. 10 2008,12:44) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 10 2008,06:05) Hi Stu: I personally do not call anyone a fool, however there is the following scripture:
Quote Psa 14:1 [[To the chief Musician, [A Psalm] of David.]] The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good.
Psa 53:1 [[To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, [A Psalm] of David.]] The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: [there is] none that doeth good.I believe that the scriptures to which you are referring relate to calling a brother or a sister in Christ a fool.
Quote Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Hi 90210You have reposted the verses that formed the beginnings of this discussion on another thread. I asked someone about the contradiction between the Psalmist and others, including Matthew who called people 'fool' and the fact that Matthew tells fool-callers that they are hell-bound.
The reply I got was as you say, the latter refers to believers calling other believers fool. My question then was a Calvanistic one about god knowing already who would convert and then keeping a record of all those who called the unbeliever a fool before the event of the conversion. With the Calvanistic god, any old sense of past and future will do.
Have people here kept cound to all the 'fool' retractions they will need to make if I fall under the Pauline delusion?The ruling on calling 'brothers in christ' fool is interesting, too. Isn't any example of schism effectively calling former 'brothers' fool? Maybe we are down to the last 144,000 who have not cried fool to fellow delusionees.
Stuart
Hi Stu:I too was once foolish in that I was an agnostic.
I don't call anyone a fool. My comission from my Lord is to preach the gospel to those who will hear. I am not the judge.
Quote (942767 @ Aug. 09 2008,19:12) Hi KJ: He was teaching his disciples, and it applied to them then and to us now:
Quote Mat 5:1 ¶ And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
Mat 5:2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
He never called you to be a disciple. You decided you were, just as Paul did. Have you taken up your cross, to oppose the oppressive rulers?Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 10 2008,14:43) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 09 2008,19:12) Hi KJ: He was teaching his disciples, and it applied to them then and to us now:
Quote Mat 5:1 ¶ And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
Mat 5:2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
He never called you to be a disciple. You decided you were, just as Paul did. Have you taken up your cross, to oppose the oppressive rulers?
Hi KJ:He is my Lord, and I obey his commandments therefore, I am his disciple.
Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 10 2008,12:04) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 09 2008,13:05) Hi Stu: I personally do not call anyone a fool, however there is the following scripture:
Quote Psa 14:1 [[To the chief Musician, [A Psalm] of David.]] The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good.
Psa 53:1 [[To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, [A Psalm] of David.]] The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: [there is] none that doeth good.I believe that the scriptures to which you are referring relate to calling a brother or a sister in Christ a fool.
Quote Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
If Jesus did indeed say this, there was no such thing called a “brother in Christ” then. This would either indicate fellow man or at least a fellow Jew.
“”Brother” (adelphos) cannot in this case be limited to male siblings. Matthew's Gospel uses the word extensively. Whenever it clearly refers to people beyond physical brothers, it is on the lips of Jesus; and its narrow usage is almost always Matthean. This suggests that the Christian habit of calling one another “brother” goes back to Jesus' instruction, possibly part and parcel of his training them to address God as Father (6:9). Among Christian brothers, anger is to be eliminated.” (Carson, D.A.; Expositors)It indicates a fellow believer…
blessings,
Ken“Is angry with His brother without a cause – Anger, or that feeling which we have when we are injured, and which prompts us to defend ourselves when in danger, is a natural feeling, given to us:
1.As a proper expression of our disapprobation of a course of evil conduct; and
2.That we may defend ourselves when suddenly attacked.
When excited against sin, it is lawful. God is angry with the wicked, Psa_7:11. Jesus looked on the hypocritical Pharisees with anger, Mar_3:5. So it is said, “Be ye angry, and sin not, Eph_4:26. This anger, or indignation against sin, is not what our Saviour speaks of here. What he condemns here is anger without a cause; that is, unjustly, rashly, hastily, where no offence has been given or intended. In that case it is evil; and it is a violation of the sixth commandment, because “he that hateth his brother, is a murderer,” 1Jo_3:15. He has a feeling which would lead him to commit murder, if it were fully acted out. The word “brother” here refers not merely to one to whom we are nearly related, having the same parent or parents, as the word is commonly used, but includes also a neighbor, or perhaps anyone with whom we may be associated. As all people are descended from one Father and are all the creatures of the same God, so they are all brethren: and so every man should be regarded and treated as a brother, Heb_11:16.
Raca – This is a Syriac word, expressive of great contempt. It comes from a verb signifying to be empty, vain; and hence, as a word of contempt, denotes senseless, stupid, shallow-brains. Jesus teaches here that to use such words is a violation of the spirit of the sixth commandment, and if indulged, may lead to a more open and dreadful infraction of that law. Children should learn that to use such words is highly offensive to God, for we must give an account for every idle word which we speak in the day of judgment, Mat_12:36.” (Barnes)blessings,
KenQuote (942767 @ Aug. 10 2008,14:41) Hi Stu: I too was once foolish in that I was an agnostic.
I don't call anyone a fool. My comission from my Lord is to preach the gospel to those who will hear. I am not the judge.
By that, are you not calling agnostics fools?Stuart
Quote (epistemaniac @ Aug. 10 2008,15:57) “Is angry with His brother without a cause – Anger, or that feeling which we have when we are injured, and which prompts us to defend ourselves when in danger, is a natural feeling, given to us:
1.As a proper expression of our disapprobation of a course of evil conduct; and
2.That we may defend ourselves when suddenly attacked.
When excited against sin, it is lawful. God is angry with the wicked, Psa_7:11. Jesus looked on the hypocritical Pharisees with anger, Mar_3:5. So it is said, “Be ye angry, and sin not, Eph_4:26. This anger, or indignation against sin, is not what our Saviour speaks of here. What he condemns here is anger without a cause; that is, unjustly, rashly, hastily, where no offence has been given or intended. In that case it is evil; and it is a violation of the sixth commandment, because “he that hateth his brother, is a murderer,” 1Jo_3:15. He has a feeling which would lead him to commit murder, if it were fully acted out. The word “brother” here refers not merely to one to whom we are nearly related, having the same parent or parents, as the word is commonly used, but includes also a neighbor, or perhaps anyone with whom we may be associated. As all people are descended from one Father and are all the creatures of the same God, so they are all brethren: and so every man should be regarded and treated as a brother, Heb_11:16.
Raca – This is a Syriac word, expressive of great contempt. It comes from a verb signifying to be empty, vain; and hence, as a word of contempt, denotes senseless, stupid, shallow-brains. Jesus teaches here that to use such words is a violation of the spirit of the sixth commandment, and if indulged, may lead to a more open and dreadful infraction of that law. Children should learn that to use such words is highly offensive to God, for we must give an account for every idle word which we speak in the day of judgment, Mat_12:36.” (Barnes)blessings,
Ken
So are you saying that when Matthew says fool-callers are hell-bound, does your interpretation include everyone because they are potential 'brothers'? Then what of the Psalmist, and indeed of the other writings of Matthew where he joins in with the fool-calling cabal?As an aside, I am interested to know how a verse that is 'Mathean' somehow gets us closer to what Jesus is more likely to have said than the others do.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Aug. 10 2008,16:16) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 10 2008,14:41) Hi Stu: I too was once foolish in that I was an agnostic.
I don't call anyone a fool. My comission from my Lord is to preach the gospel to those who will hear. I am not the judge.
By that, are you not calling agnostics fools?Stuart
Hi Stu:No, I am basing that statement on the scriptures that I quoted. I didn't write the scripture.
Quote (942767 @ Aug. 11 2008,05:24) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 10 2008,16:16) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 10 2008,14:41) Hi Stu: I too was once foolish in that I was an agnostic.
I don't call anyone a fool. My comission from my Lord is to preach the gospel to those who will hear. I am not the judge.
By that, are you not calling agnostics fools?Stuart
Hi Stu:No, I am basing that statement on the scriptures that I quoted. I didn't write the scripture.
I could quote a book that claims that religious believers are imbeciles, then say 'don't ask me about it, I'm just quoting'.You do not seem to want to distance yourself from a book that calls 'unbelievers' fools, commands people to stone various classes of 'sinner' and thinks a bat is a bird. I think I would!
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Aug. 11 2008,07:09) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 11 2008,05:24) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 10 2008,16:16) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 10 2008,14:41) Hi Stu: I too was once foolish in that I was an agnostic.
I don't call anyone a fool. My comission from my Lord is to preach the gospel to those who will hear. I am not the judge.
By that, are you not calling agnostics fools?Stuart
Hi Stu:No, I am basing that statement on the scriptures that I quoted. I didn't write the scripture.
I could quote a book that claims that religious believers are imbeciles, then say 'don't ask me about it, I'm just quoting'.You do not seem to want to distance yourself from a book that calls 'unbelievers' fools, commands people to stone various classes of 'sinner' and thinks a bat is a bird. I think I would!
Stuart
Hi Stu:Because I know that God is a reality through many personal experiences, and by His Spirit that dwells within I will never distance myself from my God and His Word even though there may be some things which I don't understand.
The bible says that those who say that there is no God are foolish, and I believe that I was foolish because my eyes are now open to the truth, but I have stated this of myself and not of you or any other person. It is God that says that you are foolish because you do not acknowledge that He is a reality. It is not my postion to go about calling you foolish but to share the gospel with you if you want to hear, and I have done that, and you have called me a liar, but as the old saying goes “the proof is in the pudding”.
Perhaps the bible puts a bat in the category of a bird because in that series of scriptures God was referring to unclean creatures that fly. Science puts the bat in a different category. I am sure that the creator knows all about His creatures since He created them.
I have been wrong on many things, and I have made many mistakes, but there is one thing that I know is for certain and that is that God is a reality and that His testimony regarding His Son and His Christ Jesus is true. There is no possibilty of being wrong about this.
Hi 90210
Quote It is God that says that you are foolish because you do not acknowledge that He is a reality.
I hear nothing from any imaginary beings. All I see is you telling me, like a child, that your invisible friend says I am foolish. Responsibility for ones own words is so out of fashion, don’t you think?Quote Perhaps the bible puts a bat in the category of a bird because in that series of scriptures God was referring to unclean creatures that fly. Science puts the bat in a different category. I am sure that the creator knows all about His creatures since He created them.
Bats are mammals. Birds are not. I suppose with god any old sloppy thing will do.Quote I have been wrong on many things, and I have made many mistakes, but there is one thing that I know is for certain and that is that God is a reality and that His testimony regarding His Son and His Christ Jesus is true. There is no possibilty of being wrong about this.
There is no possibility that there is a god of any kind. This is absolutely true without any doubt at all. I have a book that says that believers are foolish and should never be listened to. This is all certainly completely right.Do I sound foolish writing that? I should.
Stuart
Quote (942767 @ Aug. 09 2008,21:50) Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 10 2008,14:43) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 09 2008,19:12) Hi KJ: He was teaching his disciples, and it applied to them then and to us now:
Quote Mat 5:1 ¶ And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
Mat 5:2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
He never called you to be a disciple. You decided you were, just as Paul did. Have you taken up your cross, to oppose the oppressive rulers?
Hi KJ:He is my Lord, and I obey his commandments therefore, I am his disciple.
Before Jesus dies, he told his disciples to take up their crosses. Do you know what crucifixion meant? Not the biblical version, but why people were crucified in Rome.
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