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Ed: You said,…”Tim, what you profess as “truth” is nothing but “a lie”! That is a very general statement and very destructive to some on this site that might take it the way you actually said it. Have you now condemned me as a liar without any truth for all those who might read what I post on this site. Perhaps you might want to check out what spirit you are of? General destructive words are not from God.
You didn't bother to rebutt any of the scriptures I used. Actually you have declared the scriptures I used as “nothing but a lie”! And then you go on attack with worldly laws. I wasn't talking about the laws in this world and you know that. We were talking about old testament laws. Then you thanked me for my sarcasm. To tell you the truth I don't think you read posts all the way through before you respond. TKQuote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 06 2010,01:39) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 05 2010,21:19) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 05 2010,21:08) Ed: You have stated a flat out denial of the truth from Jesus. Jesus said the law was until John the Baptist! Luke 16:16/Matt.11:13/Luke24:44/Matt.5:18…not one stroke of the law will pass until all is fulfilled….! If you are not following animal sacrificing then the final sacrifice has been made and all is fulfilled!!
Jesus said he didn't come 'to lodge or stay in' the law, but to fulfill the law. If you are still under the law you are under the curse.No man is justified by the works of the law. Why go backward to the old way that didn't work?
THE LAW WAS COMPLETED, FULFILLED, ESTABLISHED, ACCOMPLISHED, AND FINISHED by Jesus.
You are like the foolish Galations, 3:1,…who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth…this I would like to know from you Ed,….Did you receive the spirit by the works of the law or by hearing with faith? v3….are you so foolish? Having begun in the spirit are ye now made perfect by the law? Which was it Ed. Hearing by faith or works of the law? Or maybe you don't believe you were made perfect in Christ!
YOU CAN NOT BE CLEANSED BY FAITH IN JESUS THE CHRIST AND ALSO BE UNDER THE LAW which cannot cleanse you!! TK
Hi Tim,What you profess as “truth”, is nothing but ‘a LIE’!
Go kill somebody and find out if there is no more law!
Go commit adultery and find out if there is no more law!
Go lie in front a judge and find out if there is no more law!Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Oops! I thought we were talking about God!Yes, Ed, I agree we have many laws on planet earth. You were right all the time. I somehow thought we were talking about old testament Bible law.
Although, I don't think there is a law against adultery on earth. TK
Hi Tim,Loose the new age philosophy!
I have been talking to you about God's law!
The ordinances were done away with NOT GOD's LAW!Isaiah 42:21 The LORD (YHVH ) is well pleased for his(Jesus')
righteousness' sake; he (Jesus) will magnify the law, and make it honorable.Heb.10:15-16 Whereof the HolySpirit also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord,
I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;Seems like you're trying to wipe God's law out of your mind instead; huh?
Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 08 2010,20:52) Ed: You said,…”Tim, what you profess as “truth” is nothing but “a lie”! That is a very general statement and very destructive to some on this site that might take it the way you actually said it. Have you now condemned me as a liar without any truth for all those who might read what I post on this site. Perhaps you might want to check out what spirit you are of? General destructive words are not from God.
You didn't bother to rebutt any of the scriptures I used. Actually you have declared the scriptures I used as “nothing but a lie”! And then you go on attack with worldly laws. I wasn't talking about the laws in this world and you know that. We were talking about old testament laws. Then you thanked me for my sarcasm. To tell you the truth I don't think you read posts all the way through before you respond. TKQuote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 08 2010,03:35) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 05 2010,15:49) Hi Mike, Your missing the “point” that I was making to Tim Kraft.
He basically says that no matter what he does it is not sin.
The point that I was telling Tim, is that wrong actions are SIN!
No matter how correct he thinks his new age philosophy thinking is.
Hi Ed,I agree. Tim does have some odd views. I can't imagine abandoning the OT. I think maybe you're right. Maybe he thinks the fact that Jesus died for our sins is a “get out of jail free card” or something. Kind of like, “Do whatever you want, it's already been forgiven”.
But you and I know that our God is a just God. And we know we will all be judged according to what we've done in this life.
peace and love,
mike
Hi Tim,Are you not telling us all here that only “Five” books of the Bible(according to Tim Kraft)
are important and the remaining 61 books can be disregard?You also say that (in essence) if one is depressed and feeling unworthy they are in sin?
Then what you profess is indeed nothing but a LIE! (Psalm 42:11)Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Ed; Shame on you. You will write anything or say anything to avoid the truth. Jesus said the law was fuflilled. Its really quite simple, if the law is still effective then follow every jot and tittle of the law!! There is no argument, that is your choice. ANSWER PLEASE QUESTION 1) DO YOU FOLLOW THE WHOLE LAW? I know you don't, I just want to see if you have the guts to answer truhfully.
The law couldn't make the worshipers perfect. Once again, if you have the law you are imperfect and in sin. You have no salvation in the law. The law is the opposite of faith. One effective by deeds/works which failed to cleanse. One by faith that Jesus did the work and gave us the free gift. All we have to do is believe what he says and not religious men.
Its obvious some are unable to believe for their cleanliness and salvation as a gift from God through Jesus. The old testament law could not make the worshippers clean. That is why Jesus came and did it for us. Then gave us his finished work so that religious morons could go back to
the old way of sin and darkness. Christ is the end of the law for all those who believe.
I find it astounding that a person with even limited time in the New Testament would not find a total cessation of the law. Even if they were willing to deny Jesus and what he clearly says. Paul had plenty to say about the failure of the law.
Rom.8:2—the law of the spirit of life in Christ has set us free, has set us free, has set us free from the law of sin and death—
…what the law couldn't do, Jesus did for us condemning sin—-Rom7:6—….but now we are delivered from the law that we should serve in a newness of spirit, NOT IN THE OLDNESS OF THE LETTER…
Rom3:21…now the righteousness of God, without the law, is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets….
I'll save my time, you probably don't read what I write anyway. Certainly it is without understanding if you do. These quotes are for the others. Bless all, TK
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 09 2010,00:43) Ed; Shame on you. You will write anything or say anything to avoid the truth. Jesus said the law was fuflilled. Its really quite simple, if the law is still effective then follow every jot and tittle of the law!! There is no argument, that is your choice. ANSWER PLEASE QUESTION 1) DO YOU FOLLOW THE WHOLE LAW? I know you don't, I just want to see if you have the guts to answer truhfully. The law couldn't make the worshipers perfect. Once again, if you have the law you are imperfect and in sin. You have no salvation in the law. The law is the opposite of faith. One effective by deeds/works which failed to cleanse. One by faith that Jesus did the work and gave us the free gift. All we have to do is believe what he says and not religious men.
Its obvious some are unable to believe for their cleanliness and salvation as a gift from God through Jesus. The old testament law could not make the worshippers clean. That is why Jesus came and did it for us. Then gave us his finished work so that religious morons could go back to
the old way of sin and darkness. Christ is the end of the law for all those who believe.
I find it astounding that a person with even limited time in the New Testament would not find a total cessation of the law. Even if they were willing to deny Jesus and what he clearly says. Paul had plenty to say about the failure of the law.
Rom.8:2—the law of the spirit of life in Christ has set us free, has set us free, has set us free from the law of sin and death—
…what the law couldn't do, Jesus did for us condemning sin—-Rom7:6—….but now we are delivered from the law that we should serve in a newness of spirit, NOT IN THE OLDNESS OF THE LETTER…
Rom3:21…now the righteousness of God, without the law, is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets….
I'll save my time, you probably don't read what I write anyway. Certainly it is without understanding if you do. These quotes are for the others. Bless all, TK
Hi Tim,Drop the new age philosophy, it's getting you NO-WHERE; Tim Kraft!
Isaiah 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake;
he (Jesus) will magnify the law, and make it honorable.Sin is breaking God's laws! God's laws were NOT done away with!
1John 3:4…sin is the transgression of the law.Shame on you if you continue in sin!
Heb.10:26: For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth,
there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,Do you even know the difference between
the laws of statutes (contained in ordinances)
and THE LAW of GOD (the commandments of GOD)?Were the 10 commandments done away with? Of course NOT!
Deut.6:1-2 Now these are the “commandments”, the “statutes”, and the “judgments”,
which the LORD(YHVH) your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them
in the land whither ye go to possess it: That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God,
to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and
thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.In the mount of transfiguration we find three people who illustrate these three.
Moses: The Commandments; “10” Old and the “2” New.
Elijah: The Judgments; rewards and punishments.
Jesus: The Statues; Jesus fulfilled the statues
(contained in ordinances), and done away with them.
Eph.2:15: Having abolished in his flesh the enmity,
even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;
for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.God bless
Ed J
PS. 10-2 Has “Fractal” counterparts:
The tribes: 10 Northern and 2 SouthernI knew you would not answer my question. Once again:—1) DO YOU FOLLOW THE WHOLE LAW??
2) DOES THAT LAW MAKE YOU PERFECT AND SAVE YOUR SOUL??
Awaiting the answer, TK
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 09 2010,01:20) I knew you would not answer my question. Once again:—1) DO YOU FOLLOW THE WHOLE LAW?? 2) DOES THAT LAW MAKE YOU PERFECT AND SAVE YOUR SOUL??
Awaiting the answer, TK
Hi Tim,1) Do you even know the difference between
the laws of statutes (contained in ordinances)
and THE LAW of GOD (the commandments of GOD)?2) Matt. 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the
kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd: I will answer for you,#1) NO, you do not follow the whole law! Now, since you apparantly reject Jesus and his redemptive work what part of the law do you place yourself under? What ordinances are you under that can cleanse you and save you soul? You quoted the ten commandments before. If its not those ten commandments then what law or ordinances do you follow for salvation.
#2) You typed a scripture that has absolutely nothing to do with the clear, concise question I asked,… Does the law, whatever law you follow or ordinances that you follow cleanse you and save your soul?
The law or any ordinances you find anywhere, ever, did save and cleanse the worshipper. Jesus and the truth of spirit words from God are our salvation. TK
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 09 2010,02:19) Ed: I will answer for you,#1) NO TK
Hi Tim,Well I will explain the difference for you then.
The statutes (contained in ordinances) are such things as…
Sacrifice of animals
Sprinkling of blood
Ceremonial hand washingsThese things pointed to Christ, and this is what he did away with.
He did NOT come to give Tim Kraft the green light to commit adultery! (Ex.20:14 / Deut.5:18)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 09 2010,02:19) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,01:26)
Do you even know the difference between
the laws of statutes (contained in ordinances)
and THE LAW of GOD (the commandments of GOD)?
Ed: I will answer for you,#1) NOTK
Hi Tim,Well I will explain the difference for you then.
The statutes (contained in ordinances) are such things as…
Sacrifice of animals
Sprinkling of blood
Ceremonial hand washingsThese things pointed to Christ, and this is what he did away with.
He did NOT come to give Tim Kraft the green light to commit adultery! (Ex.20:14 / Deut.5:18)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd: By Jesus criteria of the law, if a man lust after a woman, he has already committed adultery with her in his heart! Have you ever had a lustful thought about a woman? If you are honest and not gay you are aquainted with lust. So I am arguing with a confessed outlaw about the written law. Your telling me there is a law yet you break it. Im telling you there is no law anymore! The hipocrites that point to the law are usually the biggest breakers of the law. TK
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 09 2010,20:45) Ed: By Jesus criteria of the law, if a man lust after a woman, he has already committed adultery with her in his heart! Have you ever had a lustful thought about a woman? If you are honest and not gay you are aquainted with lust. So I am arguing with a confessed outlaw about the written law. Your telling me there is a law yet you break it. Im telling you there is no law anymore! The hipocrites that point to the law are usually the biggest breakers of the law. TK
Hi Tim,Color(63) = YHVH(63)
Do you even know what lusting after means?It doesn't mean: “MMM, I think she's kinda nice,
Maybe I wouldn't mind Bätta boom bätta beam“.What it means is: Making the predetermined decision,
and steps necessary steps to get her into the bed with you.
EVEN IF YOUR PLAN FAILS, at the point of making the final decision
to carry out such a plan, you (meaning anybody) have FALLEN INTO SIN!
Even though the action wasn't carried out yet, you still SINNED; YHVH knows!Keep asking, searching and knocking dear Brother,
and you will always recieve an answer;
IT'S YHVH's Promise to you! (Heb.6:18 / 2Tm.2:13)Please: always Click on the Bible Links!
Your brother in
Christ, Jesus!
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHey Ed: It is your choice to live under that law. You can make up any other laws you want to call sin. That is religion. You must judge to make up laws, something right something wrong. By your judgment you are judged. You can bind yourself to a tree and say to yourself see how perfect I am now. I do nothing wrong, I am tied here to this tree and can't do anything. You are the judge of yourself. There is
no list of sins or rules by which you must follow. Jesus came, did the work for perfection, gave it to us free of charge. We don't have to do anything for our perfection except believe we are perfect. If you believe you have sin, you are in sin and are a sinner with no part in
Christ. I know your perfection in God better than you do. I know what you have been made by Jesus. You are the one that condemns yourself and restricts yourself to do this don't do that. You judge yourself, condemn yourself as a sinner and sentence yourself to these
bonds and pitfalls. You only sin if you believe something you have done is a sin. God Bless, TK
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 12 2010,08:10) Hey Ed: It is your choice to live under that law. You can make up any other laws you want to call sin. That is religion. You must judge to make up laws, something right something wrong. By your judgment you are judged. You can bind yourself to a tree and say to yourself see how perfect I am now. I do nothing wrong, I am tied here to this tree and can't do anything. You are the judge of yourself. There is no list of sins or rules by which you must follow. Jesus came, did the work for perfection, gave it to us free of charge. We don't have to do anything for our perfection except believe we are perfect. If you believe you have sin, you are in sin and are a sinner with no part in
Christ. I know your perfection in God better than you do. I know what you have been made by Jesus. You are the one that condemns yourself and restricts yourself to do this don't do that. You judge yourself, condemn yourself as a sinner and sentence yourself to these
bonds and pitfalls. You only sin if you believe something you have done is a sin. God Bless, TK
TKyou are good ,Satan could not be better,
first Christ by his sacrifice abolished the law of Moses in regards of the priesthood,because Christ is the replacement of that priesthood,
and as high priest he is in place but will never die,
now to all the sinners who believe they have sin in repentance
they have to go to the priest (Christ) so that he will protect them from the venger of the blood that is God because the law says the men that sins must also die,,but since he goes to the priest (Christ)for protection he now escape that punishment,but he has to stay with that priest until the priest dies,of cause we know that Christ will never die ,so we who accept his protection will stay with Christ for ever,so the scriptures also says that we have to be holy,and righteous, this is not something you can achieve overnight,and it is progressive but at the end we will be those two things,but in the mean time yea things can go wrong but it is not us any longer because we want to holy and righteous,so it is the our flesh who s sins,and so it will be forgiven,(look what happen with Naaman , who kneels with is king to the king s god ,
2Ki 5:11 But Naaman went away angry and said, “I thought that he would surely come out to me and stand and call on the name of the LORD his God, wave his hand over the spot and cure me of my leprosy. )so in this way it is god trough Christ gospel that we will become holy and righteous,the deeds we do from now on are righteous ones.
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 12 2010,07:54) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 12 2010,08:10) Hey Ed: It is your choice to live under that law. You can make up any other laws you want to call sin. That is religion. You must judge to make up laws, something right something wrong. By your judgment you are judged. You can bind yourself to a tree and say to yourself see how perfect I am now. I do nothing wrong, I am tied here to this tree and can't do anything. You are the judge of yourself. There is no list of sins or rules by which you must follow. Jesus came, did the work for perfection, gave it to us free of charge. We don't have to do anything for our perfection except believe we are perfect. If you believe you have sin, you are in sin and are a sinner with no part in
Christ. I know your perfection in God better than you do. I know what you have been made by Jesus. You are the one that condemns yourself and restricts yourself to do this don't do that. You judge yourself, condemn yourself as a sinner and sentence yourself to these
bonds and pitfalls. You only sin if you believe something you have done is a sin. God Bless, TK
TKyou are good ,Satan could not be better,
first Christ by his sacrifice abolished the law of Moses in regards of the priesthood,because Christ is the replacement of that priesthood,
and as high priest he is in place but will never die,
now to all the sinners who believe they have sin in repentance
they have to go to the priest (Christ) so that he will protect them from the venger of the blood that is God because the law says the men that sins must also die,,but since he goes to the priest (Christ)for protection he now escape that punishment,but he has to stay with that priest until the priest dies,of cause we know that Christ will never die ,so we who accept his protection will stay with Christ for ever,so the scriptures also says that we have to be holy,and righteous, this is not something you can achieve overnight,and it is progressive but at the end we will be those two things,but in the mean time yea things can go wrong but it is not us any longer because we want to holy and righteous,so it is the our flesh who s sins,and so it will be forgiven,(look what happen with Naaman , who kneels with is king to the king s god ,
2Ki 5:11 But Naaman went away angry and said, “I thought that he would surely come out to me and stand and call on the name of the LORD his God, wave his hand over the spot and cure me of my leprosy. )so in this way it is god trough Christ gospel that we will become holy and righteous,the deeds we do from now on are righteous ones.
Pierre
Pierre: Thank you for the comment, Satan could not be better. They called Jesus beelzebub and persecuted him for teaching righteousness.If you think that you can make yourself righteous and holy by any means other than believe the Jesus did it for you, you have denied the work of Jesus Christ.
Your works for holiness and righteousness are as dirty rags before God.
Your sinless perfection came through the works of Jesus andare received by faith or YOU HAVE NO RIGHTEOUSNESS AND ARE STILL IN SIN. Your works have nothing to do with the salvation of God through Jesus. TK
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 12 2010,01:10) Hey Ed: It is your choice to live under that law. You can make up any other laws you want to call sin. That is religion. You must judge to make up laws, something right something wrong. By your judgment you are judged. You can bind yourself to a tree and say to yourself see how perfect I am now. I do nothing wrong, I am tied here to this tree and can't do anything. You are the judge of yourself. There is no list of sins or rules by which you must follow. Jesus came, did the work for perfection, gave it to us free of charge. We don't have to do anything for our perfection except believe we are perfect. If you believe you have sin, you are in sin and are a sinner with no part in
Christ. I know your perfection in God better than you do. I know what you have been made by Jesus. You are the one that condemns yourself and restricts yourself to do this don't do that. You judge yourself, condemn yourself as a sinner and sentence yourself to these
bonds and pitfalls. You only sin if you believe something you have done is a sin. God Bless, TK
Hi Tim,Does this mean you 'think' it is OK to lie?
Is it OK for you to steal as well?
How about adultery?What caused you to 'think' Jesus did away with God's laws?
I know! Luciferian new age philosophy; right?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Tim,
I see you have decided to stop learning. (Romans 15:4)
Are you attempting to teach others to stop learning too?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 13 2010,03:48) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 12 2010,07:54) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 12 2010,08:10) Hey Ed: It is your choice to live under that law. You can make up any other laws you want to call sin. That is religion. You must judge to make up laws, something right something wrong. By your judgment you are judged. You can bind yourself to a tree and say to yourself see how perfect I am now. I do nothing wrong, I am tied here to this tree and can't do anything. You are the judge of yourself. There is no list of sins or rules by which you must follow. Jesus came, did the work for perfection, gave it to us free of charge. We don't have to do anything for our perfection except believe we are perfect. If you believe you have sin, you are in sin and are a sinner with no part in
Christ. I know your perfection in God better than you do. I know what you have been made by Jesus. You are the one that condemns yourself and restricts yourself to do this don't do that. You judge yourself, condemn yourself as a sinner and sentence yourself to these
bonds and pitfalls. You only sin if you believe something you have done is a sin. God Bless, TK
TKyou are good ,Satan could not be better,
first Christ by his sacrifice abolished the law of Moses in regards of the priesthood,because Christ is the replacement of that priesthood,
and as high priest he is in place but will never die,
now to all the sinners who believe they have sin in repentance
they have to go to the priest (Christ) so that he will protect them from the venger of the blood that is God because the law says the men that sins must also die,,but since he goes to the priest (Christ)for protection he now escape that punishment,but he has to stay with that priest until the priest dies,of cause we know that Christ will never die ,so we who accept his protection will stay with Christ for ever,so the scriptures also says that we have to be holy,and righteous, this is not something you can achieve overnight,and it is progressive but at the end we will be those two things,but in the mean time yea things can go wrong but it is not us any longer because we want to holy and righteous,so it is the our flesh who s sins,and so it will be forgiven,(look what happen with Naaman , who kneels with is king to the king s god ,
2Ki 5:11 But Naaman went away angry and said, “I thought that he would surely come out to me and stand and call on the name of the LORD his God, wave his hand over the spot and cure me of my leprosy. )so in this way it is god trough Christ gospel that we will become holy and righteous,the deeds we do from now on are righteous ones.
Pierre
Pierre: Thank you for the comment, Satan could not be better. They called Jesus beelzebub and persecuted him for teaching righteousness.If you think that you can make yourself righteous and holy by any means other than believe the Jesus did it for you, you have denied the work of Jesus Christ.
Your works for holiness and righteousness are as dirty rags before God.
Your sinless perfection came through the works of Jesus andare received by faith or YOU HAVE NO RIGHTEOUSNESS AND ARE STILL IN SIN. Your works have nothing to do with the salvation of God through Jesus. TK
TKyou are there was no call for it,and i apologies.
Pierre
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