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Also, if God did not know what Saul would do so He could avoid choosing him, why then should we believe that any prophecies are true since God seemingly does not know future events?
So are you saying God only knows some things and others He is oblvious on? Is it “hit and miss” with God. Wow, what is one to believe then?
God saying He regrets a decision = God not knowing the future
God giving prophecy = God knowing the futureWhy are these two concepts at odds with each other?
Hi kj,
Do you have trouble understanding God from how He is revealed in Scripture?
I am sure that is a very common problem.
Obedience to Him matters moreNick,
Why do you rarely ever address the content of posts? Instead, your typical ploy is “don't question, just believe”. Such and attitude has led many to destruction.
Hi Kj,
Who organised this gigantic and carefully arranged conspiracy to make Christ out to be the Messiah?Quote (kejonn @ Mar. 27 2008,11:11) Also, if God did not know what Saul would do so He could avoid choosing him, why then should we believe that any prophecies are true since God seemingly does not know future events?
Hi Kj,
Why should God not give Saul a chance?
Should you not be offered chances for redemption too?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 26 2008,19:43) Hi Kj,
Who organised this gigantic and carefully arranged conspiracy to make Christ out to be the Messiah?
Paul?Hi KJ,
Paul was a great and effective servant of God.
Sweet and tainted waters do not come from the same stream.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 26 2008,19:44) Quote (kejonn @ Mar. 27 2008,11:11) Also, if God did not know what Saul would do so He could avoid choosing him, why then should we believe that any prophecies are true since God seemingly does not know future events?
Hi Kj,
Why should God not give Saul a chance?
Should you not be offered chances for redemption too?
Ah the fallacies abound. If God knows the future (He must because we read of so many prophecies) He then would know what actions Saul would take. So why offer him a chance for redemption when He already knew what He would do?See what a tangled web the bible weaves?
Hi KJ,
Perhaps you would now have God not test Adam and Eve too?Quote (kejonn @ Nov. 14 2007,02:10)
ACC,My thoughts are that man has been given free will. The concept of total free will would be absent outside of the knowledge of good and evil. Therefore, to choose good over evil is our way of growing closer to our Creator God.
This was the very first instance of man disobeying God and this idea is extended throughout the Tanach (Old Testament). God only gave Adam and Eve one rule and they broke it. It gives us the very first example of there being consequences for disobedience. In this case it came in the form of expulsion from the Garden. The “death” that came from this was a separation from a perfect relationship with God and access to Eden.
What kind of test was it Nick? Without the proper understanding, they did not know the consequences. They did not know good and evil just good, so they had no concept of right and wrong. They were told they would die if they ate of the tree yet they had not seen death so they did not know what it was. One of God's own creations, the serpent, merely asked a question and in their ignorance, they did what they were told not too.
In other words, according to Genesis, it wasn't a test — it was a definitive setup for failure.
So, basically, if what A&E did lead to the “fall” of mankind, the real one to blame is God because He failed at every turn in the story.
However, my view of God doesn't show a failure. I can't help that the bible has such a weak, limited view of God who is just another person with greater powers.
Also, as soon as Eve ate, she did not die, although God told her she would. According to the bible, God lied. And because Adam saw that Eve ate and did not die, the serpent was more truthful in his eyes than God.
Furthermore, why weren't Eve's eyes opened as soon as she ate the fruit? Why wait until Adam ate and then have it happen? Again, this is flawed.
The Genesis story of A&E is a theological disaster.
Perhaps then, Jesus was not sent to redeem man, but to redeem the biblical God. He was the one who goofed according to the bible.
Fear? No, why, should I? Do you view God as someone who flaunts His destructive power so you will cower to Him? What kind of God do you know Nick?
The disconnect is still there. Pointing out the various flaws of the bible only shows how very human its writers were. A perfect loving God could never be held responsible for such a flawed work.
Quote They were told they would die if they ate of the tree yet they had not seen death so they did not know what it was. How do you know they had not seen death? We know they hadn't seen human death.
Quote Ah the fallacies abound. If God knows the future (He must because we read of so many prophecies) He then would know what actions Saul would take.
Does the ability to know the future mean you have to use that ability all the time? Again, you assume.Quote Also, as soon as Eve ate, she did not die, although God told her she would.
Really? God told her that “as soon as” you eat, you will die? hmmm.Quote Furthermore, why weren't Eve's eyes opened as soon as she ate the fruit? Why wait until Adam ate and then have it happen? Again, this is flawed.
Yes, because as we ALL KNOW, every OTHER TIME someone has done this, their eyes were opened instantly. Again, you are flawed and see what you want.
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