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- April 4, 2009 at 2:36 pm#126592Tim KraftParticipant
Blessings to all who hear the Spirit!Monumental misunderstandings of Bible Truth have been passed down for generations.Here is one.Look up these scriptures to support the Truth below.Jesus fulfilled all righteousness Matt 3:15The Prophets and the Law were untilJohn Matt 11:13The time is fullfilled Mark 11:15The law and the prophets were until John the Baptist, since then the Kingdom is preached==Luke 16:16There are many more that show beyond a shadow of doubt the end of time was when Jesus presented the eternal word of God===His message to turn (repent) from the religious way they were going and follow the new way of God/Spirit was the end of the religious world. The new Spirit way to God deleted the old religious temple service. The old physical way was passed. The new temple made without hands is you. The new service to God was beleiving not by works. The sacrifice was forever satisfied. The words of God through Jesus were the eternal Truth forever. The end of time wars are still going on, they are in the minds of Gods children. We don't fight flesh and blood wars. The war we fight is the good fight of faith. The Kingdom of God is within each human being. Only miguided thinking blocks that Truth from from the light. We are all perfect sons of God by faith not by doing something or not doing something. You come by faith you can only leave by not believing. Sin is not believing you have been made perfect in Gods eyes. You do not have a sin nature. That is blasphemy. You have the nature of your father, God. You are only a sinner if you believe you are separated from God. There is no sin in God. You are in God and God is in you, God is omnipresent. Much more later, Tim
April 4, 2009 at 6:02 pm#126606NickHassanParticipantHi and welcome TK,
So how do men become sons of God?Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.Are all led?
April 6, 2009 at 11:26 am#126768Tim KraftParticipantAll that live bearing the fruits of the Spirit of God are of God.
It they are not against then they are for. Here is an interesting thought. In the beginning when God created man he was a lifeless physical body laying there until God breathed into him his spirit/soul. Then the man became a living being. Then he was God/Man. Since then through error of thought and mans many doctrines we may have lost site of who we are. We are all sons of God. Each birth of a human takes a breath of pnemua/Spirit of God and lives. God is eveywhere, omnipresent, outside, inside, front, back, where you are going and where you came from. You have free will to act anyway you wish. You will reap what you sow in this life. If you sow the fruits of the Spirit then that is what you will reap in life. With Love, TimApril 6, 2009 at 11:34 am#126771ProclaimerParticipantHi Tim.
Yes we are all given the pnemua which makes us live.
I wonder if other species are also given it because they too live including plants?But we can be born from above. This birth is different from our birthday. This birth is a continuous supply of the Spirit. This is the definition of eternal life because the Spirit gives us life. It is not a once only breath but a continual baptism or a river of life.
April 6, 2009 at 11:37 am#126772ProclaimerParticipantWelcome Tim.
One question. Why is this discussion in the prophecy section?
Shall I move it to the “Messages” forum. The description for discussions in the “Messages” forum is
“Personal prophecies, teachings, revelations, messages, apologies, etc.”April 6, 2009 at 11:38 am#126773Tim KraftParticipantAll that live bearing the fruits of the Spirit of God are of God.
It they are not against then they are for. We must be born again or recreate our minds from the old religious doctrines that say we are sinners and see the light of our oneness with God. We must accept the Truth of who we are and always were.We were lost until Jesus came to enlighten our paths.Here is an interesting thought. In the beginning when God created man he was a lifeless physical body laying there like a suit of clothes until God breathed into him his spirit/soul.God got into man! Then the man became a living being. Then he was God/Man.Nothing has changed but our minds if they stay in darkness. Since then, through error of thought and mans many doctrines we may have lost site of who we are. We are all sons of God. Each birth of a human takes a breath of pnemua/Spirit of God and lives. You can't leave God in Truth you can only believe a lie that somehow you have been separated from him, and that is un-true. God is eveywhere, omnipresent, outside, inside, front, back, where you are going and where you came from. You have free will to act anyway you wish. You will reap what you sow in this life. If you sow the fruits of the Spirit then that is what you will reap in life. With Love, TimApril 6, 2009 at 6:50 pm#126797NickHassanParticipantHi TK,
Is this a new gnostic idea that there is no sin and we are already one with God?The breath of God does not make us one with God.
You must be born again.
April 6, 2009 at 9:25 pm#126802Tim KraftParticipantHow do you get born again I don't fine any scriptures that tell how. Jesus said you must be born again but how?
Perhaps you could also tell me what sin is to you.
Jesus said that he and the Father were one. He also prayed that we would all be one with them.Put that together with the fact that God is omnipresent I'd say he's in us.If God is everywhere then everything that exists is in God, there is no outside of God.
God is in his Kingdom, Jesus said his Kingdom is within us. We are the Temple maid without hands.April 6, 2009 at 9:39 pm#126804NickHassanParticipantHi TK,
Read carefully the talk Jesus had with Nicodemus in Jn3, add in his words in Jn10 and then listen to Peter at pentecost and the words Paul spoke to the Athenian heathen in Acts 17.
It should become clear if you are open to hearing from God.April 6, 2009 at 9:57 pm#126805Tim KraftParticipantOne of the most misunderstood BibleTruth's is that in the fullness of time or at the end of time was talking about Jesus coming to bring the eternal word of God.The etenal word is the end of time for those who hear. The Truth that came with Jesus that God dwelled in man and there was no need for the Physical Temple of brick and mortar the Temple of God is made without hands, us! That was the end of the world or end of the religious order as they had known it.Jesus was the fulfillment of all scripture and all prophecy.The Law was completed or fulfilled,finished. The True Church is now his body, the body of Christ, you and me.Luke 16:16 The Law and the prophets were until John, since then is the gospel of the Kingdom preached.When Jesus said it is finished the entire plan of God was complete.Now its up to us to re-create the peace, love, kindness, gentleness, meekness and so on in this world. That would be God ruling through us. To anyone who read this, thank you for your time. With Love, Tim
April 6, 2009 at 10:08 pm#126808NickHassanParticipantHi TK,
If you would be a servant of God you must enter through the gate of Jesus.SEEK YE FIRST THE KINGDOM AND EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE ADDED TO YOU[mt]
April 7, 2009 at 7:09 pm#126909NickHassanParticipantHi,
What if the earthquake in Italy is a warning about a big one in Rome?
What would happen to the religious system if the Vatican and the Sistine chapel collapsed?Could this fulfil Rev18?
” 15The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
16And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!
17For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
18And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city! “
April 8, 2009 at 12:15 pm#127007Tim KraftParticipantThanks, Nick, but I am not a servant, I am a son. I sought the Kingdom of God and found it inside. Jesus told me this.The good news is he told the same to everyone who will accept it. It is for all who will believe.Also with the Kingdom inside I have sought his righteousness which is by believing/faith. This perfection is for all who believe. This is the Truth from God. The Kingdom within is God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit which are all one. Those that believe and accept are one with them. You are the righteousness of God in Christ. You have been made perfect through him, not based on what you do, or say, or don't do or don't say. Its faith believing the words of God that cleanse and make you whole.Jesus said I've made you a nation of Kings and Priests. Each believer is the Kingdom of God and the ruler of his own Kingdom. You are a King of your Kingdom and a Priest of your Temple. It's your life to create as you wish. You may express the fruits of Gods Spirit in the world, peace, love, joy etc., or you may express from hate, evil,darkness. Its your life and your choice. No punishment exists, you have free will to choose. Yet don't forget we will reap what we sow in life. Eternal Peace, Tim
April 8, 2009 at 7:05 pm#127028NickHassanParticipantHi TK,
So God is in everyone and they do not need to be born again from above?
Sounds like new age deception.April 10, 2009 at 9:47 pm#127184Tim KraftParticipantHey Nick: If anything I said doesn't align with what Jesus the Christ said, then I apologize. But it all does! Being born from above would just mean accepting what God says. If you believe what God/Jesus say then their words become flesh in a man again. If you look up born-again you will find that it is a recreated mind from error to Truth. I don't follow new age or any other group. I do know what deception means. Please show me where I have been decieved. Thanks, Tim
April 10, 2009 at 9:50 pm#127186NickHassanParticipantHi TK,
Show us in Acts where being born again is just intellectual acceptance.
Even the demons believe..and tremble.April 14, 2009 at 5:57 am#127555CindyParticipantTim
I think it's good if we define “born”. Born simply means, brought forth, brought into existence.
After one dies he is born “again”, brought forth from the dead, by a resurrection.
There are two resurrections, only the once who are in the first resurrection will be able to see the kingdom of God, as it is a spiritual kingdom; that is what Jesus was trying to explain to Nicodemus, John 3.
Born from above, is when you receive God's Holy Spirit that helps you to change from the inside out, you become a different person, trying to overcome sin.Georg
April 14, 2009 at 7:09 am#127565NickHassanParticipantHi georg,
You should already be reborn from above.1Peter1
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1 Peter 1:23
for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.April 14, 2009 at 10:03 am#127579Tim KraftParticipantIt seems to me that when Nicodemus came to Jesus and said we know you are from God because of the physical works & miracles you do.
Jesus answered that with you must be born again to see/percieve the Kingdom of God. Nickodemus had assesed the physical work of Jesus as the reason to believe. Jesus answered him (spiritually as in all his disertations) you must be born (mentally recreated of Spirit) to see/percieve the Kingdom of God as being within the mind/heart. 1st Peter 1:23—you must be born again not of physical/perishible words or doctrines but born from above/spirit which is imperishable/eternal words of Jesus. The old physical way had passed. The new incorruptable washing of the Spirit words of Jesus transform a natural man into a Spiritual man. If a person reads a scripture in this new day he must see the dream of its intention. Men will dream dreams and see visions. A natural man cannot understand the Spirit of God. Jesus is all and in all. Jesus is the new Temple, he is the door of the Temple, he is the Light of the Temple, hes the true bread,the sacrifice,the Truth, the High Priest, etc. As we are recreated with his Truth we become ONE with him. As you partake of Spirit Truth you become ONE in the Truth! Peace, TKApril 14, 2009 at 3:24 pm#127598CindyParticipantQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2009,19:09) Hi georg,
You should already be reborn from above.1Peter1
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1 Peter 1:23
for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.
No Nick, you are not “reborn” from above, just born from above.
The first time you were begotten was by your biological father, the second time, or again, was from above by the word of God, as you correctly stated in 1 Peter 1:23.Georg
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