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  • #362418
    Wakeup
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    Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 22 2013,03:58)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,20:05)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 21 2013,10:59)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 21 2013,03:18)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 19 2013,17:39)
    ………but adjusted this to conform to the Greek LXX or Latin Vulgate in passages to which Christian tradition had attached a Christological interpretation.[123]

    For example, the Septuagint reading “They pierced my hands and my feet” was used in Psalm 22:16 (vs. the Masoretes' reading of the Hebrew “like lions my hands and feet”………….


    I wonder if journey knows that part of the KJV OT was translated from the LXX – a mss she claims never existed.


    Mike,

    Journey and wakeup quote some of the worse sources I have seen quoted on this site.  The people they quote seem to be plain crooks as they tell outright lies that can easily disproved.


    Kerwin.

    All I need is proof from anybody that the kjv
    has contradictions in it.
    And I will proof to you that it has none.

    I believe in God, and also in his power to preserve his
    word of truth.

    You guys do not believe in God's power.
    You have not been lead to the truth.
    You are still seeking which bible is the true bible.
    Still seeking which flesh of Christ to eat.
    In the meantime missing out on the food.

    wakeup.


    W

    Quote
    All I need is proof from anybody that the kjv
    has contradictions in it.
    And I will proof to you that it has none.

    :D  :D  :D

    THIS ANSWER IS HILARIOUS


    T.

    You can not proof anything.
    Your doctrine is based on confusion.
    And you love it that way.
    The Holy spirit is not of confusion,
    but of truth.
    There is no Holy spirit in confusion.

    wakeup.

    #362486
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (david @ Nov. 21 2013,08:11)
    Them is fighting words.


    David,

    It is something I brought to their attention and told them that they should test the spirit even when source tells them things they want to believe.

    #362487
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,20:05)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 21 2013,10:59)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 21 2013,03:18)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 19 2013,17:39)
    ………but adjusted this to conform to the Greek LXX or Latin Vulgate in passages to which Christian tradition had attached a Christological interpretation.[123]

    For example, the Septuagint reading “They pierced my hands and my feet” was used in Psalm 22:16 (vs. the Masoretes' reading of the Hebrew “like lions my hands and feet”………….


    I wonder if journey knows that part of the KJV OT was translated from the LXX – a mss she claims never existed.


    Mike,

    Journey and wakeup quote some of the worse sources I have seen quoted on this site.  The people they quote seem to be plain crooks as they tell outright lies that can easily disproved.


    Kerwin.

    All I need is proof from anybody that the kjv
    has contradictions in it.
    And I will proof to you that it has none.

    I believe in God, and also in his power to preserve his
    word of truth.

    You guys do not believe in God's power.
    You have not been lead to the truth.
    You are still seeking which bible is the true bible.
    Still seeking which flesh of Christ to eat.
    In the meantime missing out on the food.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,  

    Your actions to this point give me the impression you would not believe it even if God himself directly told you.  Perhaps if he wrote it on your wall with a fiery hand you would see it.  Then again you might see as it as the work of Satan.

    Most errors in the AKJV I know about are technical errors though one in Hebrews appears to be more as it seems to say Jesus made himself a man when elsewhere God is credited with making him.  It is a unique translation.

    A lot of confusion comes from limited grammar and lack of knowledge of the cultures of Scripture.  Nothing a humble man cannot overcome.

    A man led by the Spirit will only be misled by any contradiction or technical flaw until they learn how better to listen to the Spirit.

    #362492
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 23 2013,07:15)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,20:05)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 21 2013,10:59)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 21 2013,03:18)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 19 2013,17:39)
    ………but adjusted this to conform to the Greek LXX or Latin Vulgate in passages to which Christian tradition had attached a Christological interpretation.[123]

    For example, the Septuagint reading “They pierced my hands and my feet” was used in Psalm 22:16 (vs. the Masoretes' reading of the Hebrew “like lions my hands and feet”………….


    I wonder if journey knows that part of the KJV OT was translated from the LXX – a mss she claims never existed.


    Mike,

    Journey and wakeup quote some of the worse sources I have seen quoted on this site.  The people they quote seem to be plain crooks as they tell outright lies that can easily disproved.


    Kerwin.

    All I need is proof from anybody that the kjv
    has contradictions in it.
    And I will proof to you that it has none.

    I believe in God, and also in his power to preserve his
    word of truth.

    You guys do not believe in God's power.
    You have not been lead to the truth.
    You are still seeking which bible is the true bible.
    Still seeking which flesh of Christ to eat.
    In the meantime missing out on the food.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,  

    Your actions to this point give me the impression you would not believe it even if God himself directly told you.  Perhaps if he wrote it on your wall with a fiery hand you would see it.  Then again you might see as it as the work of Satan.

    Most errors in the AKJV I know about are technical errors though one in Hebrews appears to be more as it seems to say Jesus made himself a man when elsewhere God is credited with making him.  It is a unique translation.

    A lot of confusion comes from limited grammar and lack of knowledge of the cultures of Scripture.  Nothing a humble man cannot overcome.

    A man led by the Spirit will only be misled by any contradiction or technical flaw until they learn how better to listen to the Spirit.


    Kerwin.

    Daniel wrote down things he himself *could not* understand.
    The prophets wrote things down;and some also *could not* understand. Those prophets *could not* understand the mystery of God and His Son.
    Jesus said it: no man knows the Son and the Father.
    *Dont ignore these words*.

    You are *assuming* that all those translators understood what they are writing.

    You are *assuming* that the Hebrews and the Greeks knew it all. You are *assuming* that the dictionary's have the answers.

    I can not find any contradictions in the kjv,*if interpreted the right way*. all fits in;in harmony.
    The contradictions are *in the readers*,not in the book.
    All I need is proof from you guys,so called truth seekers.
    Are you really seeking the truth? If so; then where is it?
    I dont see any.*Where are the fruits*?

    wakeup

    #362527
    kerwin
    Participant

    Wakeup,

    So any contradiction you do see you you justify by claiming it you cannot understand it. Sometimes the answer is instead that the translators mistranslated the passage but you do not want to believe it.

    #362531
    terraricca
    Participant

    w

    you are hopelessly blind

    #362542
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 24 2013,05:42)
    Wakeup,

    So any contradiction you do see you you justify by claiming it you cannot understand it.  Sometimes the answer is instead that the translators mistranslated the passage but you do not want to believe it.


    Kerwin.

    One so called contradiction to those readers,
    is because they could not understand;

    Sample:

    ***The Word was God and the Word was with God***.
    So they have to find a way *for them* to make sense.
    And therefore change the wordings.
    so they add *A GOD* to the sentence.

    These things they do all the time.
    The reason why they can not understand is because
    the Holy Spirit is not teaching them.

    Anyone reading their interpretations will get sucked in
    into their interpretations. Therefore all the confusions.

    wakeup.

    #362552
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 24 2013,05:14)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 24 2013,05:42)
    Wakeup,

    So any contradiction you do see you you justify by claiming it you cannot understand it.  Sometimes the answer is instead that the translators mistranslated the passage but you do not want to believe it.


    Kerwin.

    One so called contradiction to those readers,
    is because they could not understand;

    Sample:

    ***The Word was God and the Word was with God***.
    So they have to find a way *for them* to make sense.
    And therefore change the wordings.
    so they add *A GOD* to the sentence.

    These things they do all the time.
    The reason why they can not understand is because
    the Holy Spirit is not teaching them.

    Anyone reading their interpretations will get sucked in
    into their interpretations. Therefore all the confusions.

    wakeup.


    w

    in the beginning was the “nose ” and the “nose” was with (not on me(God) me(God) and the”nose” was God ,

    do you want to try another feature ,may be the ears ,legs ,harm,

    would it make more sens???

    it only could make sens if the one we speak is a being ,

    #362569
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 24 2013,05:42)
    Wakeup,

    So any contradiction you do see you you justify by claiming it you cannot understand it.  Sometimes the answer is instead that the translators mistranslated the passage but you do not want to believe it.


    Kerwin.

    I personally don't see any contradictions.
    Why many see do, is because they dont understand
    the true meanings of the words God uses.

    wakeup.

    #362570
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 24 2013,15:01)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 24 2013,05:42)
    Wakeup,

    So any contradiction you do see you you justify by claiming it you cannot understand it.  Sometimes the answer is instead that the translators mistranslated the passage but you do not want to believe it.


    Kerwin.

    I personally don't see any contradictions.
    Why many see do, is because they dont understand
    the true meanings of the words God uses.

    wakeup.


    W

    Because they do not understand :D :D

    But you cannot even explain it what we seem not to understand

    When a book tells me that God is love and then say that that same God is the source of evil, there must be something wrong in the translation,

    If you are ok with it ,you also must be evil ,because Christ father and God is also my God and he his not as it is written in the KJV ,

    #362572
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 24 2013,20:21)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 24 2013,15:01)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 24 2013,05:42)
    Wakeup,

    So any contradiction you do see you you justify by claiming it you cannot understand it.  Sometimes the answer is instead that the translators mistranslated the passage but you do not want to believe it.


    Kerwin.

    I personally don't see any contradictions.
    Why many see do, is because they dont understand
    the true meanings of the words God uses.

    wakeup.


    W

    Because they do not understand  :D  :D

    But you cannot even explain it what we seem not to understand

    When a book tells me that God is love and then say that that same God is the source of evil, there must be something wrong in the translation,

    If you are ok with it ,you also must be evil ,because Christ father and God is also my God and he his not as it is written in the KJV ,


    T.

    Why are you so far still refusing to bring forth your
    translations?
    We all like to know what it really says in your bible.

    wakeup.

    #362581
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 24 2013,19:44)

    Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 24 2013,20:21)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 24 2013,15:01)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 24 2013,05:42)
    Wakeup,

    So any contradiction you do see you you justify by claiming it you cannot understand it.  Sometimes the answer is instead that the translators mistranslated the passage but you do not want to believe it.


    Kerwin.

    I personally don't see any contradictions.
    Why many see do, is because they dont understand
    the true meanings of the words God uses.

    wakeup.


    W

    Because they do not understand  :D  :D

    But you cannot even explain it what we seem not to understand

    When a book tells me that God is love and then say that that same God is the source of evil, there must be something wrong in the translation,

    If you are ok with it ,you also must be evil ,because Christ father and God is also my God and he his not as it is written in the KJV ,


    T.

    Why are you so far still refusing to bring forth your
    translations?
    We all like to know what it really says in your bible.

    wakeup.


    ??? ???

    #362617
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 24 2013,05:14)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 24 2013,05:42)
    Wakeup,

    So any contradiction you do see you you justify by claiming it you cannot understand it.  Sometimes the answer is instead that the translators mistranslated the passage but you do not want to believe it.


    Kerwin.

    One so called contradiction to those readers,
    is because they could not understand;

    Sample:

    ***The Word was God and the Word was with God***.
    So they have to find a way *for them* to make sense.
    And therefore change the wordings.
    so they add *A GOD* to the sentence.

    These things they do all the time.
    The reason why they can not understand is because
    the Holy Spirit is not teaching them.

    Anyone reading their interpretations will get sucked in
    into their interpretations. Therefore all the confusions.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    Or the Holy Spirit is instead teaching them that it should be written the In the beginning the word was with the God and the word was divine. I already know that the Trinitarian translators mistranslated the Koine Greek word to that meant homage to worship when it was in reference to Jesus to support their doctrine. Since they have done so in other places they could have done it in John 1 as well.

    #362623
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 25 2013,10:56)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 24 2013,05:14)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 24 2013,05:42)
    Wakeup,

    So any contradiction you do see you you justify by claiming it you cannot understand it.  Sometimes the answer is instead that the translators mistranslated the passage but you do not want to believe it.


    Kerwin.

    One so called contradiction to those readers,
    is because they could not understand;

    Sample:

    ***The Word was God and the Word was with God***.
    So they have to find a way *for them* to make sense.
    And therefore change the wordings.
    so they add *A GOD* to the sentence.

    These things they do all the time.
    The reason why they can not understand is because
    the Holy Spirit is not teaching them.

    Anyone reading their interpretations will get sucked in
    into their interpretations. Therefore all the confusions.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    Or the Holy Spirit is instead teaching them that it should be written the In the beginning the word was with the God and the word was divine.  I already know that the Trinitarian translators mistranslated the Koine Greek word to that meant homage to worship when it was in reference to Jesus to support their doctrine.  Since they have done so in other places they could have done it in John 1 as well.


    Kerwin.

    So the Word was devine.
    Is God divine?
    Is there any other than God divine?

    Please answer.

    wakeup.

    #362681
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 25 2013,07:16)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 25 2013,10:56)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 24 2013,05:14)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 24 2013,05:42)
    Wakeup,

    So any contradiction you do see you you justify by claiming it you cannot understand it.  Sometimes the answer is instead that the translators mistranslated the passage but you do not want to believe it.


    Kerwin.

    One so called contradiction to those readers,
    is because they could not understand;

    Sample:

    ***The Word was God and the Word was with God***.
    So they have to find a way *for them* to make sense.
    And therefore change the wordings.
    so they add *A GOD* to the sentence.

    These things they do all the time.
    The reason why they can not understand is because
    the Holy Spirit is not teaching them.

    Anyone reading their interpretations will get sucked in
    into their interpretations. Therefore all the confusions.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    Or the Holy Spirit is instead teaching them that it should be written the In the beginning the word was with the God and the word was divine.  I already know that the Trinitarian translators mistranslated the Koine Greek word to that meant homage to worship when it was in reference to Jesus to support their doctrine.  Since they have done so in other places they could have done it in John 1 as well.


    Kerwin.

    So the Word was devine.
    Is God divine?
    Is there any other than God divine?

    Please answer.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    Divine has multiple meaning and it clear God and those things of him are divine according to Scripture.  In that way both God and those things that are of him are divine and so the answer to all three questions is yes.

    #362695
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 26 2013,14:59)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 25 2013,07:16)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 25 2013,10:56)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 24 2013,05:14)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 24 2013,05:42)
    Wakeup,

    So any contradiction you do see you you justify by claiming it you cannot understand it.  Sometimes the answer is instead that the translators mistranslated the passage but you do not want to believe it.


    Kerwin.

    One so called contradiction to those readers,
    is because they could not understand;

    Sample:

    ***The Word was God and the Word was with God***.
    So they have to find a way *for them* to make sense.
    And therefore change the wordings.
    so they add *A GOD* to the sentence.

    These things they do all the time.
    The reason why they can not understand is because
    the Holy Spirit is not teaching them.

    Anyone reading their interpretations will get sucked in
    into their interpretations. Therefore all the confusions.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    Or the Holy Spirit is instead teaching them that it should be written the In the beginning the word was with the God and the word was divine.  I already know that the Trinitarian translators mistranslated the Koine Greek word to that meant homage to worship when it was in reference to Jesus to support their doctrine.  Since they have done so in other places they could have done it in John 1 as well.


    Kerwin.

    So the Word was devine.
    Is God divine?
    Is there any other than God divine?

    Please answer.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    Divine has multiple meaning and it clear God and those things of him are divine according to Scripture.  In that way both God and those things that are of him are divine and so the answer to all three questions is yes.


    Kerwin.

    The Word was divine; is He the Word that was made flesh?
    Was He the living breathing man Jesus.
    Was jesus made of some *other substance*, rather than of the Divine Word?
    Was He of the dust of the earth, made flesh?
    Or was He the Divine Word made flesh?

    Lets see what your wisdom tells you.

    wakeup.

    #362763
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 26 2013,16:13)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 26 2013,14:59)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 25 2013,07:16)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 25 2013,10:56)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 24 2013,05:14)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 24 2013,05:42)
    Wakeup,

    So any contradiction you do see you you justify by claiming it you cannot understand it.  Sometimes the answer is instead that the translators mistranslated the passage but you do not want to believe it.


    Kerwin.

    One so called contradiction to those readers,
    is because they could not understand;

    Sample:

    ***The Word was God and the Word was with God***.
    So they have to find a way *for them* to make sense.
    And therefore change the wordings.
    so they add *A GOD* to the sentence.

    These things they do all the time.
    The reason why they can not understand is because
    the Holy Spirit is not teaching them.

    Anyone reading their interpretations will get sucked in
    into their interpretations. Therefore all the confusions.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    Or the Holy Spirit is instead teaching them that it should be written the In the beginning the word was with the God and the word was divine.  I already know that the Trinitarian translators mistranslated the Koine Greek word to that meant homage to worship when it was in reference to Jesus to support their doctrine.  Since they have done so in other places they could have done it in John 1 as well.


    Kerwin.

    So the Word was devine.
    Is God divine?
    Is there any other than God divine?

    Please answer.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    Divine has multiple meaning and it clear God and those things of him are divine according to Scripture.  In that way both God and those things that are of him are divine and so the answer to all three questions is yes.


    Kerwin.

    The Word was divine; is He the Word that was made flesh?
    Was He the living breathing man Jesus.
    Was jesus made of some *other substance*, rather than of the Divine Word?
    Was He of the dust of the earth, made flesh?
    Or was He the Divine Word made flesh?

    Lets see what your wisdom tells you.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    Every human with a living body is the dust of the earth that was made flesh.  Jesus is God's utterance that was made flesh.

    #362767
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 28 2013,12:14)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 26 2013,16:13)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 26 2013,14:59)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 25 2013,07:16)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 25 2013,10:56)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 24 2013,05:14)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 24 2013,05:42)
    Wakeup,

    So any contradiction you do see you you justify by claiming it you cannot understand it.  Sometimes the answer is instead that the translators mistranslated the passage but you do not want to believe it.


    Kerwin.

    One so called contradiction to those readers,
    is because they could not understand;

    Sample:

    ***The Word was God and the Word was with God***.
    So they have to find a way *for them* to make sense.
    And therefore change the wordings.
    so they add *A GOD* to the sentence.

    These things they do all the time.
    The reason why they can not understand is because
    the Holy Spirit is not teaching them.

    Anyone reading their interpretations will get sucked in
    into their interpretations. Therefore all the confusions.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    Or the Holy Spirit is instead teaching them that it should be written the In the beginning the word was with the God and the word was divine.  I already know that the Trinitarian translators mistranslated the Koine Greek word to that meant homage to worship when it was in reference to Jesus to support their doctrine.  Since they have done so in other places they could have done it in John 1 as well.


    Kerwin.

    So the Word was devine.
    Is God divine?
    Is there any other than God divine?

    Please answer.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    Divine has multiple meaning and it clear God and those things of him are divine according to Scripture.  In that way both God and those things that are of him are divine and so the answer to all three questions is yes.


    Kerwin.

    The Word was divine; is He the Word that was made flesh?
    Was He the living breathing man Jesus.
    Was jesus made of some *other substance*, rather than of the Divine Word?
    Was He of the dust of the earth, made flesh?
    Or was He the Divine Word made flesh?

    Lets see what your wisdom tells you.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    Every human with a living body is the dust of the earth that was made flesh.  Jesus is God's utterance that was made flesh.


    Kerwin.

    God's utterance happens to be His living Word
    with all wisdom,and love.
    He happens to have glory with God.
    Glory together in creating.

    wakeup.

    #362769
    kerwin
    Participant

    Wakeup,

    By Word do you mean the words that come out of God's mouth and those that are equivalent.

    #362776
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 28 2013,18:54)
    Wakeup,

    By Word do you mean the words that come out of God's mouth and those that are equivalent.


    Kerwin.

    The Word is one;Jeus is one,speaking many Words of God.
    The Word itself is one living being speaking many Words of God.He appeared to Abraham as an angel.
    He also appeared to Abraham as the king of salem(peace),
    by the name of Melchisedec.

    Hebrews 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

    Hebrews 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation **King of righteousness**, and after that also **King of Salem**, which is, **King of peace**;

    Hebrews 7:3 **Without father, without mother**, **without descent**, **having neither beginning of days, nor end of life**; **but made like unto the Son of God**; abideth a priest continually.

    GOD HAS ONLY ONE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.

    wakeup.

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