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Then welcome to the real world thethinker, where you can embrace natural history and reject the lies necessary to sustain literal belief in a Genesis creation.
Stuart
Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 27 2009,03:44) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Sep. 22 2009,10:24) Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 22 2009,04:05) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Sep. 22 2009,05:49) Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 22 2009,00:18) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 15 2009,21:46) Decent people are the saviours of christianity. They help us to ignore its absurdities and focus on Matthew 7:12 (even though there are better versions of the golden rule out there). Christianity itself is a nasty way to carry on, if done according to its book of mythology.
Stuart
Still got your head stuck in the old testament Stu?thinker
Do you not worship the god of both the old and new testaments? Or, do you only worship the NT god?
I worship God according to the new covenant principles He Himself has given. This is worship according to the spirit which is life. Worship according to the old covenant letter brought death. Did Jesus say “This is the NEW covenant in My blood” just to hear Himself talk?thinker
So you reject the old testament and the principles found therein?
Absolutely! Hebrews chapters 6-8 say that to return to the old covenant system of worship is apostasy. We are severely warned against it.thinker
Interesting. So, I presume that you see no problem with a new covenant believer who marries his sister? On the off chance that you do, can you show me where you find a prohibition against it in the New Testament?Hey Stu: In my opinion(who care's right) the New Testament truth that Jesus taught was that everything that God is or has is in his temple which is each individual human being. Gods house, abode, temple, & chruch are within. Each person that accepts that truth can commune with God just as it was in the beginning with the first Man. We are free will individuals with no laws or rules from God. The God of the New Covenant is love. Love does not command anyone or rule anyone. Love gives freely and accepts freely. Over the years man has written billions of laws and rules to control mankind but these are not from God. God suggests that we love one another if we want a truly good life. God said love is like a seed that when planted it will produce a crop for the sower. If you sow love seed, you will get a love crop. If you believe in evil which is not in God/love it becomes an illusion of truth to you. Then if you sow evil through thoughts or deeds you will grow a crop of the same or similar. Its really rather basic what Jesus taught about God. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. As one accepts Gods love and acceptence with no restrictions, laws, burdens, barriers, commandments, rules etc., he has nothing to give out to the world but love! Only love in means only love out! So very few accept the free gift of God/love. They would rather argue various scriptures, names, dates, or you name it. If one tells them that sin is taken away by Jesus they want to kill the messenger just like it was back then. Jesus said, wide is the way to destruction, narrow is the way to eternal life of freedom and joy! God said I set before you life and death. Now, you choose! What kind of fool chooses death? The war of Armageddon is the war of Truth in the minds of humanity. The word of God, Jesus, is here in the minds and hearts of the people. It is fighting against lies, and deceptions, and un-truth. The lies of works to be good, and try to do right, and hope you are saved. The truth will never change yet the darkness will eventually be enlightened. IMO, Bless you, TK
Tim Kraft
Quote Hey Stu: In my opinion(who care's right) the New Testament truth that Jesus taught was that everything that God is or has is in his temple which is each individual human being. Gods house, abode, temple, & chruch are within. Each person that accepts that truth can commune with God just as it was in the beginning with the first Man.
Well it never has been like Genesis describes it, so are you suggesting I sign up to a lie?Quote We are free will individuals with no laws or rules from God.
I am not a ‘free will individual’. Maybe you are.Quote The God of the New Covenant is love. Love does not command anyone or rule anyone. Love gives freely and accepts freely.
Was Paul saying this same god’s loving words when in the NT he described my gay friend as ‘worthy of death’?Romans 1:31-32 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Quote Over the years man has written billions of laws and rules to control mankind but these are not from God.
Obviously they are not. How could they be?Quote God suggests that we love one another if we want a truly good life.
Jesus “told us” to hate our families. You seem to be suggesting that a good life does not involve following Jesus. I would agree.Of course Jesus told us nothing at all. Paul did though. Wasn’t he a posthumous scriptwriter from hell, so to speak. I would like to see it when Jesus gets his hands on the interloping busybody formerly known as Saul of Tarsus, who put such nasty words in Jesus’s mouth. Of course I don’t believe any such thing is possible of course.
Quote God said love is like a seed that when planted it will produce a crop for the sower. If you sow love seed, you will get a love crop. If you believe in evil which is not in God/love it becomes an illusion of truth to you. Then if you sow evil through thoughts or deeds you will grow a crop of the same or similar.
Do you normally write such patronising nonsense?Quote Its really rather basic what Jesus taught about God. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Which is not as good as others’ versions of the law of reciprocity.SNIPPED the rest of your absurd attempt to prostyletise.
You are obviously no idiot. Drop the self-righteousness and we might have grounds for a real conversation.
Stuart
If I am self righteous I am nothing. If I am righteous by believing what God says, then I am that I am! I patronize no one! I have written what I have learned in many years of study by myself. No outside influence. If others disagree with it, no problem. I don't look for followers and do not consider myself any kind of leader or teacher. It is hard to change pre-conceived ideas or doctrines which have been passed down as truth for thousands of years. Thank you for saying the one nice thing, that I'm no idiot. Sometimes I feel like such a fool placing my writings on these sites to try to help open the religious minds. Wow, …”attempt to prostyletise”…dude, you sure don't know me!!TK
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Oct. 18 2009,22:47) If I am self righteous I am nothing. If I am righteous by believing what God says, then I am that I am! I patronize no one! I have written what I have learned in many years of study by myself. No outside influence. If others disagree with it, no problem. I don't look for followers and do not consider myself any kind of leader or teacher. It is hard to change pre-conceived ideas or doctrines which have been passed down as truth for thousands of years. Thank you for saying the one nice thing, that I'm no idiot. Sometimes I feel like such a fool placing my writings on these sites to try to help open the religious minds. Wow, …”attempt to prostyletise”…dude, you sure don't know me!!TK
What do you call this if it is not prostyletising?God said I set before you life and death. Now, you choose! What kind of fool chooses death? The war of Armageddon is the war of Truth in the minds of humanity. The word of God, Jesus, is here in the minds and hearts of the people. It is fighting against lies, and deceptions, and un-truth. The lies of works to be good, and try to do right, and hope you are saved. The truth will never change yet the darkness will eventually be enlightened.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 20 2009,00:09) God said I set before you life and death. Now, you choose! What kind of fool chooses death? The war of Armageddon is the war of Truth in the minds of humanity. The word of God, Jesus, is here in the minds and hearts of the people. It is fighting against lies, and deceptions, and un-truth. The lies of works to be good, and try to do right, and hope you are saved. The truth will never change yet the darkness will eventually be enlightened. Stuart
why choose death because they reject Jesus and His teachings
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