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Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 23 2009,13:23) Hi TC,
So he did die as men do and his spirit was given up.
Make your mind up.He is yet alive as is Abraham by the abiding Spirit of the LIVING GOD
Nick,I never said he didn't die as men do. I said that he was immortal and therefore, could not actually die in spirit. You are messing with everything I say. I am immortal in the sense that my spirit will go on living after I die, but that does not make my flesh immortal. You fail to see the distinction.
TC27
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 23 2009,13:23) Quote (TrinitarianCalvinist27 @ July 24 2009,09:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 23 2009,13:05) Hi WJ,
Indeed God did appoint a man to be our Lord and Master and to show us the way.
But your God is a mortal man and our God is immortal.
Does your god have 3 parts like tt?
Nick,Our God is not a mortal man. You again change everything we say and twist it. Jesus did not die. His body died. He was crucified, but he did not need the body to survive because he is God. God does not need flesh in order to live. Jesus lived in Hades during the time when his body was in the tomb, and then he reentered the body at the end of the three days. This means that the body was mortal, not that God was mortal.
His body was mortal, not his person.
TC27
So God did not die for you then?I agree! Each man must die for his own sin.
But then you said that Jesus lived in hades when he was physically dead. So you are saying that Jesus was not spiritually dead, right? So in what way did he take the place of sinners? Afterall there were two sinners being crucified with him so the crucifixion couldn't be taking their place, right?
Bod,I do not deny the crucfixion. You do. We agree on nothing.
I believe that the crucifixion is the basis for the Bible, so we have nothing in common!
TC27
Quote (TrinitarianCalvinist27 @ July 24 2009,09:25) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 23 2009,13:23) Hi TC,
So he did die as men do and his spirit was given up.
Make your mind up.He is yet alive as is Abraham by the abiding Spirit of the LIVING GOD
Nick,I never said he didn't die as men do. I said that he was immortal and therefore, could not actually die in spirit. You are messing with everything I say. I am immortal in the sense that my spirit will go on living after I die, but that does not make my flesh immortal. You fail to see the distinction.
TC27
Hi TC,
Was Jesus not one of us but an immortal superman?
Can you follow him?Hi TC,
So scripture is wrong when it says Jesus was like us in all ways but sin?
Death was entirely different for him and we have no hope of following him?Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 23 2009,13:30) Hi TC,
So scripture is wrong when it says Jesus was like us in all ways but sin?
Death was entirely different for him and we have no hope of following him?
Nick,I never said death was different for him. I was clarifying the immortality of his spirit. Humans have a soul that lives on after death also. Therefore his death is the same as a human death.
Do you believe you are going to heaven after you die? If so, then you are not actually dying, you are merely leaving the flesh.
TC27
Quote (TrinitarianCalvinist27 @ July 24 2009,09:38) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 23 2009,13:30) Hi TC,
So scripture is wrong when it says Jesus was like us in all ways but sin?
Death was entirely different for him and we have no hope of following him?
Nick,I never said death was different for him. I was clarifying the immortality of his spirit. Humans have a soul that lives on after death also. Therefore his death is the same as a human death.
Do you believe you are going to heaven after you die? If so, then you are not actually dying, you are merely leaving the flesh.
TC27
amen tc27Hi TC,
Are you speaking of the Holy Spirit God filled him with?[acts 10]
We are to follow that path.Quote (TrinitarianCalvinist27 @ July 24 2009,09:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 23 2009,13:23) Quote (TrinitarianCalvinist27 @ July 24 2009,09:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 23 2009,13:05) Hi WJ,
Indeed God did appoint a man to be our Lord and Master and to show us the way.
But your God is a mortal man and our God is immortal.
Does your god have 3 parts like tt?
Nick,Our God is not a mortal man. You again change everything we say and twist it. Jesus did not die. His body died. He was crucified, but he did not need the body to survive because he is God. God does not need flesh in order to live. Jesus lived in Hades during the time when his body was in the tomb, and then he reentered the body at the end of the three days. This means that the body was mortal, not that God was mortal.
His body was mortal, not his person.
TC27
So God did not die for you then?I agree! Each man must die for his own sin.
But then you said that Jesus lived in hades when he was physically dead. So you are saying that Jesus was not spiritually dead, right? So in what way did he take the place of sinners? Afterall there were two sinners being crucified with him so the crucifixion couldn't be taking their place, right?
Bod,I do not deny the crucfixion. You do. We agree on nothing.
I believe that the crucifixion is the basis for the Bible, so we have nothing in common!
TC27
There were two sinners crucified with him, how did he take their place?Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 24 2009,09:44) one went to paradice and one did not it was there choice to accept or not to accept Jesus
Okay, So how did Jesus take the place of the sinner?Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 24 2009,09:39) Hi TC,
Are you speaking of the Holy Spirit God filled him with?[acts 10]
We are to follow that path.
Hi Nick
Try this path on for size.Mat 4:19 And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.
Mat 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
Mat 9:9 And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him.Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Mar 2:14 And as he passed by, he saw Levi the son of Alphaeus sitting at the receipt of custom, and said unto him, Follow me. And he arose and followed him.
Mar 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mar 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
Luk 5:27 And after these things he went forth, and saw a publican, named Levi, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he said unto him, Follow me.
Luk 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Luk 9:59 And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
Luk 9:61 And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house.Luk 18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
Joh 1:43 The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:Joh 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
Joh 13:36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.
Joh 21:19 This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.
Joh 21:22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.Quote (TrinitarianCalvinist27 @ July 24 2009,09:38) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 23 2009,13:30) Hi TC,
So scripture is wrong when it says Jesus was like us in all ways but sin?
Death was entirely different for him and we have no hope of following him?
Nick,I never said death was different for him. I was clarifying the immortality of his spirit. Humans have a soul that lives on after death also. Therefore his death is the same as a human death.
Do you believe you are going to heaven after you die? If so, then you are not actually dying, you are merely leaving the flesh.
TC27
Nick,
Stephen asked Jesus to receive his spirit.thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 24 2009,13:22) Hi TT,
Indeed one with Jesus and now together.
Stephen did not ask the Father to receive His spirit. He did not ask the Father to forgive his killers. Why?thinker
Quote (thethinker @ July 26 2009,03:26) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 24 2009,13:22) Hi TT,
Indeed one with Jesus and now together.
Stephen did not ask the Father to receive His spirit. He did not ask the Father to forgive his killers. Why?thinker
Because Jesus was his leader not his God. When did stephen call Jesus “God”?Acts 7
55 and being full of the Holy Spirit, having looked stedfastly to the heaven, he saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,Why doesn't it say he saw the glory of the God Jesus? According to this verse it says that there is the Glory of this being called God and Jesus is standing next to the One called God, but you keep saying Jesus is God why isn't he acknowledge as such here in this scripture?
thinker said to Nick:Stephen did not ask the Father to receive His spirit. He did not ask the Father to forgive his killers. Why?[/quote]
bodhitharta contradicts himself saying:
Quote Because Jesus was his leader not his God. When did stephen call Jesus “God”? Jesus was his leader but not his God?
Stehen acknowledged Jesus as His God by asking Him to receive his spirit and to forgive his killers. Only God can forgive sins (Luke 5:21).
bodhitharta is down for the full count!
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ July 26 2009,03:56) thinker said to Nick:Stephen did not ask the Father to receive His spirit. He did not ask the Father to forgive his killers. Why?[/quote] bodhitharta contradicts himself saying:
Quote Because Jesus was his leader not his God. When did stephen call Jesus “God”? Jesus was his leader but not his God?
Stehen acknowledged Jesus as His God by asking Him to receive his spirit and to forgive his killers. Only God can forgive sins (Luke 5:21).bodhitharta is down for the full count!
thinker
Why do you not understand that Jesus says that not everyone who says “Lord, lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven?Obviously if Jesus has followers they are looking to him because Jesus said that he would go prepare a place for them. Remember Jesus said “In my Father's HOUSE there are many mansions” He said “I go to prepare a place for you”
God tells us all to forgive sins and we are not God, are we? so you are wrong again.
bodhitharta said;
Quote God tells us all to forgive sins and we are not God, are we? so you are wrong again. Where does God tell us to forgive sins? I am told to forgive those who sin against me. But to forgive sins like Stephen asked Jesus to do is not in our power (Luke 5:21). You do not have an ounce of truth in your veins!
thinker
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