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Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,09:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,07:28) Quote (thethinker @ July 11 2009,19:19) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2009,13:45) Quote (thethinker @ July 11 2009,13:32) bodhitharta said: Quote Where do you think Elijah and the others were Jesus says they weren't dead Hebrews 11 says that they ALL died in faith having not received the promise. Where did Jesus say that Elijah and others did not die? They went to paradise until the time of the resurrection. After the resurrection they went to heaven.
thinker
Where is paradise?
Go to Map Quest and find it for yourself.thinker
You said that Paradise is not Heaven so you should be able to explain where Paradise is and if you can't you shouldn't preach what your preaching.
Nonsense! I can't explain where heaven is either. Can you? We should not preach heaven by your logic because we don't know where it is.thinker
That's not what I'm saying at all. What I mean is are you calling paradise some sort of purgatory or what?Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,07:31) Quote (thethinker @ July 11 2009,19:28) Quote (Gene @ July 11 2009,17:02) thinker…….We are told that GOD so loved the world that (HE) gave His uniquely begotten Son. Jesus is also called the Lamb of GOD. And now is before the throne of GOD as a Slain Lamb. Jesus was Slain from the foundations of the world we are told , it was GOD the Fathers Plan all along to redeem the world through The Sacrifice of Jesus. As scripture says. For you are purchased with a price and that price is the blood of Jesus offered for the forgiveness of sins of the world. Had GOD the FATHER not required this sacrifice Jesus would have never given it. “for without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin”. Why do you Trinitarians and Preexistences constantly try to deal the FATHER out of the Salvation Process, something Jesus never did. IMO peace and love to you thinker……………………..gene
Gene,
Trinitarians do not deal the Father out of His role in salvation. Trinitarians deny that salvation is all of the Father. Anti-trinitarians deny that Jesus had His own role. His name is called “Jesus” for “HE shall save HIS people from their sins.” You deny pre-existence and then say that Jesus was slain before the foundation of the world. I can't figure you out.I gave you Hebrews 8 and you deny it. It says that the high priest was “appointed” to offer the sacrifices. Therefore, the Father did not. This was the law of Moses. Jesus was the high priest. He fulfilled the law of Moses by offering up the sacrifice Himself. The Father had nothing to do with it except to accept or reject the sacrifice. We know He accepted it.
thinker
So Jesus Sacrificed himself or was he murdered according to your belief?
bd,
Hebrew 8 plainly declares that Christ was both the sacrifice and the High Priest who offered it. It clearly says that He offered Himself.Quote For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore, it is necessary that this One (Jesus) also have something to offer (Hebrews 8:3) Hebrews 7:27,
Quote …for this He did when he offered up Himself I thought you knew the law of Moses. You pass yourself off as an expert in these areas. Moses required that the high priest offer the sacrifices. Jesus was both High Priest and sacrifice. Therefore, He offered up Himself.
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,09:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,07:31) Quote (thethinker @ July 11 2009,19:28) Quote (Gene @ July 11 2009,17:02) thinker…….We are told that GOD so loved the world that (HE) gave His uniquely begotten Son. Jesus is also called the Lamb of GOD. And now is before the throne of GOD as a Slain Lamb. Jesus was Slain from the foundations of the world we are told , it was GOD the Fathers Plan all along to redeem the world through The Sacrifice of Jesus. As scripture says. For you are purchased with a price and that price is the blood of Jesus offered for the forgiveness of sins of the world. Had GOD the FATHER not required this sacrifice Jesus would have never given it. “for without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin”. Why do you Trinitarians and Preexistences constantly try to deal the FATHER out of the Salvation Process, something Jesus never did. IMO peace and love to you thinker……………………..gene
Gene,
Trinitarians do not deal the Father out of His role in salvation. Trinitarians deny that salvation is all of the Father. Anti-trinitarians deny that Jesus had His own role. His name is called “Jesus” for “HE shall save HIS people from their sins.” You deny pre-existence and then say that Jesus was slain before the foundation of the world. I can't figure you out.I gave you Hebrews 8 and you deny it. It says that the high priest was “appointed” to offer the sacrifices. Therefore, the Father did not. This was the law of Moses. Jesus was the high priest. He fulfilled the law of Moses by offering up the sacrifice Himself. The Father had nothing to do with it except to accept or reject the sacrifice. We know He accepted it.
thinker
So Jesus Sacrificed himself or was he murdered according to your belief?
bd,
Hebrew 8 plainly declares that Christ was both the sacrifice and the High Priest who offered it. It clearly says that He offered Himself.Quote For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore, it is necessary that this One (Jesus) also have something to offer (Hebrews 8:3) Hebrews 7:27,
Quote …for this He did when he offered up Himself I thought you knew the law of Moses. You pass yourself off as an expert in these areas. Moses required that the high priest offer the sacrifices. Jesus was both High Priest and sacrifice. Therefore, He offered up Himself.
thinker
Wrong again!The Law of Moses says that the scapegoat on which all the sins are laid is never killed it is presented before the Lord Alive. If Jesus was crucified your sins are not being beared by Jesus.
Leviticus 16
10 But the goat on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make atonement upon it, and to let it go as the scapegoat into the wilderness.
Wrong again!
bodhitharta said:
Quote The Law of Moses says that the scapegoat on which all the sins are laid is never killed it is presented before the Lord Alive. If Jesus was crucified your sins are not being beared by Jesus. Leviticus 16
10 But the goat on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make atonement upon it, and to let it go as the scapegoat into the wilderness.
You ignored verse 11 which says that an animal had to be killed for atonement. Also Jesus was our peace offering. The peace offering had to be killed and its blood sprinkled on the altar. Both the priest and the people had to eat its flesh (Deut. 12:18; 16:11). Very poor try. I thought you knew all of this. The more we discourse the more it becomes clear how little you know. Paul said that christ DIED for our sins. He said that He was BURIED which certified that He died. You are totally destitute of the Christian gospel!
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,10:33) Wrong again! bodhitharta said:
Quote The Law of Moses says that the scapegoat on which all the sins are laid is never killed it is presented before the Lord Alive. If Jesus was crucified your sins are not being beared by Jesus. Leviticus 16
10 But the goat on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make atonement upon it, and to let it go as the scapegoat into the wilderness.
You ignored verse 11 which says that an animal had to be killed for atonement. Also Jesus was our peace offering. The peace offering had to be killed and its blood sprinkled on the altar. Both the priest and the people had to eat its flesh (Deut. 12:18; 16:11). Very poor try. I thought you knew all of this. The more we discourse the more it becomes clear how little you know. Paul said that christ DIED for our sins. He said that He was BURIED which certified that He died. You are totally destitute of the Christian gospel!
thinker
Is christ the scapegoat or not?Leviticus 16 (New King James Version)
20 “And when he has made an end of atoning for the Holy Place, the tabernacle of meeting, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat. 21 Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, confess over it all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions, concerning all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and shall send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a suitable man. 22 The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to an uninhabited land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness.
Now read the baptism of Jesus and learn the truth.
TT,
Why did Jesus get baptized who's sin did he confess(we know that he did not sin)
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,11:07) Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,10:33) Wrong again! bodhitharta said:
Quote The Law of Moses says that the scapegoat on which all the sins are laid is never killed it is presented before the Lord Alive. If Jesus was crucified your sins are not being beared by Jesus. Leviticus 16
10 But the goat on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make atonement upon it, and to let it go as the scapegoat into the wilderness.
You ignored verse 11 which says that an animal had to be killed for atonement. Also Jesus was our peace offering. The peace offering had to be killed and its blood sprinkled on the altar. Both the priest and the people had to eat its flesh (Deut. 12:18; 16:11). Very poor try. I thought you knew all of this. The more we discourse the more it becomes clear how little you know. Paul said that christ DIED for our sins. He said that He was BURIED which certified that He died. You are totally destitute of the Christian gospel!
thinker
Is christ the scapegoat or not?Leviticus 16 (New King James Version)
20 “And when he has made an end of atoning for the Holy Place, the tabernacle of meeting, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat. 21 Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, confess over it all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions, concerning all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and shall send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a suitable man. 22 The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to an uninhabited land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness.
Now read the baptism of Jesus and learn the truth.
TT,
Why did Jesus get baptized who's sin did he confess(we know that he did not sin)
Christ was NOT the scapegoat. He was the “Lamb that was slain.” Paul said that He died for our sins and that He was BURIED. Burial certified death.thinker
Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,11:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,11:07) Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,10:33) Wrong again! bodhitharta said:
Quote The Law of Moses says that the scapegoat on which all the sins are laid is never killed it is presented before the Lord Alive. If Jesus was crucified your sins are not being beared by Jesus. Leviticus 16
10 But the goat on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make atonement upon it, and to let it go as the scapegoat into the wilderness.
You ignored verse 11 which says that an animal had to be killed for atonement. Also Jesus was our peace offering. The peace offering had to be killed and its blood sprinkled on the altar. Both the priest and the people had to eat its flesh (Deut. 12:18; 16:11). Very poor try. I thought you knew all of this. The more we discourse the more it becomes clear how little you know. Paul said that christ DIED for our sins. He said that He was BURIED which certified that He died. You are totally destitute of the Christian gospel!
thinker
Is christ the scapegoat or not?Leviticus 16 (New King James Version)
20 “And when he has made an end of atoning for the Holy Place, the tabernacle of meeting, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat. 21 Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, confess over it all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions, concerning all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and shall send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a suitable man. 22 The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to an uninhabited land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness.
Now read the baptism of Jesus and learn the truth.
TT,
Why did Jesus get baptized who's sin did he confess(we know that he did not sin)
Christ was NOT the scapegoat. He was the “Lamb that was slain.” Paul said that He died for our sins and that He was BURIED. Burial certified death.thinker
So who is bearing the iniquities and who is the scapegoat?bodhitharta said:
Quote So who is bearing the iniquities and who is the scapegoat? What does the old covenant sacpegoat have to do with the new covenant in Christ's blood?
thinker
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2009,19:35) Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,11:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,11:07) Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,10:33) Wrong again! bodhitharta said:
Quote The Law of Moses says that the scapegoat on which all the sins are laid is never killed it is presented before the Lord Alive. If Jesus was crucified your sins are not being beared by Jesus. Leviticus 16
10 But the goat on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make atonement upon it, and to let it go as the scapegoat into the wilderness.
You ignored verse 11 which says that an animal had to be killed for atonement. Also Jesus was our peace offering. The peace offering had to be killed and its blood sprinkled on the altar. Both the priest and the people had to eat its flesh (Deut. 12:18; 16:11). Very poor try. I thought you knew all of this. The more we discourse the more it becomes clear how little you know. Paul said that christ DIED for our sins. He said that He was BURIED which certified that He died. You are totally destitute of the Christian gospel!
thinker
Is christ the scapegoat or not?Leviticus 16 (New King James Version)
20 “And when he has made an end of atoning for the Holy Place, the tabernacle of meeting, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat. 21 Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, confess over it all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions, concerning all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and shall send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a suitable man. 22 The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to an uninhabited land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness.
Now read the baptism of Jesus and learn the truth.
TT,
Why did Jesus get baptized who's sin did he confess(we know that he did not sin)
Christ was NOT the scapegoat. He was the “Lamb that was slain.” Paul said that He died for our sins and that He was BURIED. Burial certified death.thinker
So who is bearing the iniquities and who is the scapegoat?
BDYou cannot even claim to be a part of Christianity if you do not believe that Jesus died and rose again.
Paul said if Christ wasn't risen then your faith is in vain!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 12 2009,11:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2009,19:35) Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,11:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,11:07) Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,10:33) Wrong again! bodhitharta said:
Quote The Law of Moses says that the scapegoat on which all the sins are laid is never killed it is presented before the Lord Alive. If Jesus was crucified your sins are not being beared by Jesus. Leviticus 16
10 But the goat on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make atonement upon it, and to let it go as the scapegoat into the wilderness.
You ignored verse 11 which says that an animal had to be killed for atonement. Also Jesus was our peace offering. The peace offering had to be killed and its blood sprinkled on the altar. Both the priest and the people had to eat its flesh (Deut. 12:18; 16:11). Very poor try. I thought you knew all of this. The more we discourse the more it becomes clear how little you know. Paul said that christ DIED for our sins. He said that He was BURIED which certified that He died. You are totally destitute of the Christian gospel!
thinker
Is christ the scapegoat or not?Leviticus 16 (New King James Version)
20 “And when he has made an end of atoning for the Holy Place, the tabernacle of meeting, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat. 21 Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, confess over it all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions, concerning all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and shall send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a suitable man. 22 The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to an uninhabited land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness.
Now read the baptism of Jesus and learn the truth.
TT,
Why did Jesus get baptized who's sin did he confess(we know that he did not sin)
Christ was NOT the scapegoat. He was the “Lamb that was slain.” Paul said that He died for our sins and that He was BURIED. Burial certified death.thinker
So who is bearing the iniquities and who is the scapegoat?
BDYou cannot even claim to be a part of Christianity if you do not believe that Jesus died and rose again.
Paul said if Christ wasn't risen then your faith is in vain!
WJ
Yes WJ,thinker
Quote (Gene @ June 21 2009,02:47) Thinker……….I love you brother, but if you would just apply you knowledge to the truth that Jesus is (NOT) A GOD, I am going to pray that the FATHER will allow you to see this and understand it brother. with much love and peace to you brother……………………….gene
I love him to and will pray also, because you are right, GeneQuote (WorshippingJesus @ July 12 2009,11:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2009,19:35) Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,11:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,11:07) Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,10:33) Wrong again! bodhitharta said:
Quote The Law of Moses says that the scapegoat on which all the sins are laid is never killed it is presented before the Lord Alive. If Jesus was crucified your sins are not being beared by Jesus. Leviticus 16
10 But the goat on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make atonement upon it, and to let it go as the scapegoat into the wilderness.
You ignored verse 11 which says that an animal had to be killed for atonement. Also Jesus was our peace offering. The peace offering had to be killed and its blood sprinkled on the altar. Both the priest and the people had to eat its flesh (Deut. 12:18; 16:11). Very poor try. I thought you knew all of this. The more we discourse the more it becomes clear how little you know. Paul said that christ DIED for our sins. He said that He was BURIED which certified that He died. You are totally destitute of the Christian gospel!
thinker
Is christ the scapegoat or not?Leviticus 16 (New King James Version)
20 “And when he has made an end of atoning for the Holy Place, the tabernacle of meeting, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat. 21 Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, confess over it all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions, concerning all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and shall send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a suitable man. 22 The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to an uninhabited land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness.
Now read the baptism of Jesus and learn the truth.
TT,
Why did Jesus get baptized who's sin did he confess(we know that he did not sin)
Christ was NOT the scapegoat. He was the “Lamb that was slain.” Paul said that He died for our sins and that He was BURIED. Burial certified death.thinker
So who is bearing the iniquities and who is the scapegoat?
BDYou cannot even claim to be a part of Christianity if you do not believe that Jesus died and rose again.
Paul said if Christ wasn't risen then your faith is in vain!
WJ
So are you saying that all the people who had faith before Christ was born had their Faith in Vain although God accepted their faith as righteousness?Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,11:41) bodhitharta said: Quote So who is bearing the iniquities and who is the scapegoat? What does the old covenant sacpegoat have to do with the new covenant in Christ's blood?
thinker
So Jesus is not the scapegoat then?Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2009,20:24) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 12 2009,11:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2009,19:35) Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,11:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,11:07) Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,10:33) Wrong again! bodhitharta said:
Quote The Law of Moses says that the scapegoat on which all the sins are laid is never killed it is presented before the Lord Alive. If Jesus was crucified your sins are not being beared by Jesus. Leviticus 16
10 But the goat on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make atonement upon it, and to let it go as the scapegoat into the wilderness.
You ignored verse 11 which says that an animal had to be killed for atonement. Also Jesus was our peace offering. The peace offering had to be killed and its blood sprinkled on the altar. Both the priest and the people had to eat its flesh (Deut. 12:18; 16:11). Very poor try. I thought you knew all of this. The more we discourse the more it becomes clear how little you know. Paul said that christ DIED for our sins. He said that He was BURIED which certified that He died. You are totally destitute of the Christian gospel!
thinker
Is christ the scapegoat or not?Leviticus 16 (New King James Version)
20 “And when he has made an end of atoning for the Holy Place, the tabernacle of meeting, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat. 21 Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, confess over it all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions, concerning all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and shall send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a suitable man. 22 The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to an uninhabited land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness.
Now read the baptism of Jesus and learn the truth.
TT,
Why did Jesus get baptized who's sin did he confess(we know that he did not sin)
Christ was NOT the scapegoat. He was the “Lamb that was slain.” Paul said that He died for our sins and that He was BURIED. Burial certified death.thinker
So who is bearing the iniquities and who is the scapegoat?
BDYou cannot even claim to be a part of Christianity if you do not believe that Jesus died and rose again.
Paul said if Christ wasn't risen then your faith is in vain!
WJ
So are you saying that all the people who had faith before Christ was born had their Faith in Vain although God accepted their faith as righteousness?
Hi BDNo I am simply saying what Paul said.
Judaism is fulfilled in Christ.
The Jew is now one of the heart!
Jesus is the vine and we have been grafted in, and unless you are a part of the vine you are none of his.
Read the scriptures and throw away the qoran and you will see these things written.
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 12 2009,12:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2009,20:24) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 12 2009,11:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2009,19:35) Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,11:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,11:07) Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,10:33) Wrong again! bodhitharta said:
Quote The Law of Moses says that the scapegoat on which all the sins are laid is never killed it is presented before the Lord Alive. If Jesus was crucified your sins are not being beared by Jesus. Leviticus 16
10 But the goat on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make atonement upon it, and to let it go as the scapegoat into the wilderness.
You ignored verse 11 which says that an animal had to be killed for atonement. Also Jesus was our peace offering. The peace offering had to be killed and its blood sprinkled on the altar. Both the priest and the people had to eat its flesh (Deut. 12:18; 16:11). Very poor try. I thought you knew all of this. The more we discourse the more it becomes clear how little you know. Paul said that christ DIED for our sins. He said that He was BURIED which certified that He died. You are totally destitute of the Christian gospel!
thinker
Is christ the scapegoat or not?Leviticus 16 (New King James Version)
20 “And when he has made an end of atoning for the Holy Place, the tabernacle of meeting, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat. 21 Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, confess over it all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions, concerning all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and shall send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a suitable man. 22 The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to an uninhabited land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness.
Now read the baptism of Jesus and learn the truth.
TT,
Why did Jesus get baptized who's sin did he confess(we know that he did not sin)
Christ was NOT the scapegoat. He was the “Lamb that was slain.” Paul said that He died for our sins and that He was BURIED. Burial certified death.thinker
So who is bearing the iniquities and who is the scapegoat?
BDYou cannot even claim to be a part of Christianity if you do not believe that Jesus died and rose again.
Paul said if Christ wasn't risen then your faith is in vain!
WJ
So are you saying that all the people who had faith before Christ was born had their Faith in Vain although God accepted their faith as righteousness?
Hi BDNo I am simply saying what Paul said.
Judaism is fulfilled in Christ.
The Jew is now one of the heart!
Jesus is the vine and we have been grafted in, and unless you are a part of the vine you are none of his.
Read the scriptures and throw away the qoran and you will see these things written.
WJ
You don't even know what the Quran says, why disregard what you have no knowledge of?Why not simply be honest and say I don't know what is in the Quran so I will stick with what I am studying now?
Attacking what you don't know could mean attacking God and being unaware of it.
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2009,20:37) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 12 2009,12:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2009,20:24) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 12 2009,11:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2009,19:35) Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,11:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,11:07) Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,10:33) Wrong again! bodhitharta said:
Quote The Law of Moses says that the scapegoat on which all the sins are laid is never killed it is presented before the Lord Alive. If Jesus was crucified your sins are not being beared by Jesus. Leviticus 16
10 But the goat on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make atonement upon it, and to let it go as the scapegoat into the wilderness.
You ignored verse 11 which says that an animal had to be killed for atonement. Also Jesus was our peace offering. The peace offering had to be killed and its blood sprinkled on the altar. Both the priest and the people had to eat its flesh (Deut. 12:18; 16:11). Very poor try. I thought you knew all of this. The more we discourse the more it becomes clear how little you know. Paul said that christ DIED for our sins. He said that He was BURIED which certified that He died. You are totally destitute of the Christian gospel!
thinker
Is christ the scapegoat or not?Leviticus 16 (New King James Version)
20 “And when he has made an end of atoning for the Holy Place, the tabernacle of meeting, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat. 21 Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, confess over it all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions, concerning all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and shall send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a suitable man. 22 The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to an uninhabited land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness.
Now read the baptism of Jesus and learn the truth.
TT,
Why did Jesus get baptized who's sin did he confess(we know that he did not sin)
Christ was NOT the scapegoat. He was the “Lamb that was slain.” Paul said that He died for our sins and that He was BURIED. Burial certified death.thinker
So who is bearing the iniquities and who is the scapegoat?
BDYou cannot even claim to be a part of Christianity if you do not believe that Jesus died and rose again.
Paul said if Christ wasn't risen then your faith is in vain!
WJ
So are you saying that all the people who had faith before Christ was born had their Faith in Vain although God accepted their faith as righteousness?
Hi BDNo I am simply saying what Paul said.
Judaism is fulfilled in Christ.
The Jew is now one of the heart!
Jesus is the vine and we have been grafted in, and unless you are a part of the vine you are none of his.
Read the scriptures and throw away the qoran and you will see these things written.
WJ
You don't even know what the Quran says, why disregard what you have no knowledge of?Why not simply be honest and say I don't know what is in the Quran so I will stick with what I am studying now?
Attacking what you don't know could mean attacking God and being unaware of it.
Hi BDI do not need to read the qoran for I have seen enough of your quotes that contradict scriptures.
The name “Allah” and Mohammad is not mentioned in the scriptures and your qoran doesnt even teach that Jesus died and rose again!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 12 2009,12:59) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2009,20:37) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 12 2009,12:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2009,20:24) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 12 2009,11:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2009,19:35) Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,11:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,11:07) Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,10:33) Wrong again! bodhitharta said:
Quote The Law of Moses says that the scapegoat on which all the sins are laid is never killed it is presented before the Lord Alive. If Jesus was crucified your sins are not being beared by Jesus. Leviticus 16
10 But the goat on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make atonement upon it, and to let it go as the scapegoat into the wilderness.
You ignored verse 11 which says that an animal had to be killed for atonement. Also Jesus was our peace offering. The peace offering had to be killed and its blood sprinkled on the altar. Both the priest and the people had to eat its flesh (Deut. 12:18; 16:11). Very poor try. I thought you knew all of this. The more we discourse the more it becomes clear how little you know. Paul said that christ DIED for our sins. He said that He was BURIED which certified that He died. You are totally destitute of the Christian gospel!
thinker
Is christ the scapegoat or not?Leviticus 16 (New King James Version)
20 “And when he has made an end of atoning for the Holy Place, the tabernacle of meeting, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat. 21 Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, confess over it all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions, concerning all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and shall send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a suitable man. 22 The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to an uninhabited land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness.
Now read the baptism of Jesus and learn the truth.
TT,
Why did Jesus get baptized who's sin did he confess(we know that he did not sin)
Christ was NOT the scapegoat. He was the “Lamb that was slain.” Paul said that He died for our sins and that He was BURIED. Burial certified death.thinker
So who is bearing the iniquities and who is the scapegoat?
BDYou cannot even claim to be a part of Christianity if you do not believe that Jesus died and rose again.
Paul said if Christ wasn't risen then your faith is in vain!
WJ
So are you saying that all the people who had faith before Christ was born had their Faith in Vain although God accepted their faith as righteousness?
Hi BDNo I am simply saying what Paul said.
Judaism is fulfilled in Christ.
The Jew is now one of the heart!
Jesus is the vine and we have been grafted in, and unless you are a part of the vine you are none of his.
Read the scriptures and throw away the qoran and you will see these things written.
WJ
You don't even know what the Quran says, why disregard what you have no knowledge of?Why not simply be honest and say I don't know what is in the Quran so I will stick with what I am studying now?
Attacking what you don't know could mean attacking God and being unaware of it.
Hi BDI do not need to read the qoran for I have seen enough of your quotes that contradict scriptures.
The name “Allah” and Mohammad is not mentioned in the scriptures and your qoran doesnt even teach that Jesus died and rose again!
WJ
the name Jehovah is not found in the NT
and the name Jesus is not Found in the TorahWhat gives?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 12 2009,12:59) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2009,20:37) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 12 2009,12:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2009,20:24) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 12 2009,11:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2009,19:35) Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,11:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,11:07) Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,10:33) Wrong again! bodhitharta said:
Quote The Law of Moses says that the scapegoat on which all the sins are laid is never killed it is presented before the Lord Alive. If Jesus was crucified your sins are not being beared by Jesus. Leviticus 16
10 But the goat on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make atonement upon it, and to let it go as the scapegoat into the wilderness.
You ignored verse 11 which says that an animal had to be killed for atonement. Also Jesus was our peace offering. The peace offering had to be killed and its blood sprinkled on the altar. Both the priest and the people had to eat its flesh (Deut. 12:18; 16:11). Very poor try. I thought you knew all of this. The more we discourse the more it becomes clear how little you know. Paul said that christ DIED for our sins. He said that He was BURIED which certified that He died. You are totally destitute of the Christian gospel!
thinker
Is christ the scapegoat or not?Leviticus 16 (New King James Version)
20 “And when he has made an end of atoning for the Holy Place, the tabernacle of meeting, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat. 21 Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, confess over it all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions, concerning all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and shall send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a suitable man. 22 The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to an uninhabited land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness.
Now read the baptism of Jesus and learn the truth.
TT,
Why did Jesus get baptized who's sin did he confess(we know that he did not sin)
Christ was NOT the scapegoat. He was the “Lamb that was slain.” Paul said that He died for our sins and that He was BURIED. Burial certified death.thinker
So who is bearing the iniquities and who is the scapegoat?
BDYou cannot even claim to be a part of Christianity if you do not believe that Jesus died and rose again.
Paul said if Christ wasn't risen then your faith is in vain!
WJ
So are you saying that all the people who had faith before Christ was born had their Faith in Vain although God accepted their faith as righteousness?
Hi BDNo I am simply saying what Paul said.
Judaism is fulfilled in Christ.
The Jew is now one of the heart!
Jesus is the vine and we have been grafted in, and unless you are a part of the vine you are none of his.
Read the scriptures and throw away the qoran and you will see these things written.
WJ
You don't even know what the Quran says, why disregard what you have no knowledge of?Why not simply be honest and say I don't know what is in the Quran so I will stick with what I am studying now?
Attacking what you don't know could mean attacking God and being unaware of it.
Hi BDI do not need to read the qoran for I have seen enough of your quotes that contradict scriptures.
The name “Allah” and Mohammad is not mentioned in the scriptures and your qoran doesnt even teach that Jesus died and rose again!
WJ
No, it teaches something greater. God saved His beloved Jesus from the plot of evil against him.Do you really want Jesus to have died for you? Isn't that a sick thought. Your like “I'm sure glad he died for me”
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