Attn anti-trinitarians: another us verse

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Do you think so?
You know neither then.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2009,15:27)

Hi BD, Do you think so? You know neither then.

I know so.

Did Jesus come to abolish the Law
Did Jesus worship others with God

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
The Law remains but obedience to such a schoolmaster sufficient to impress God is now impossible.
Again you would become a Jew to try to pull down Jesus and Paul?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2009,15:35)

Hi BD, The Law remains but obedience to such a schoolmaster sufficient to impress God is now impossible. Again you would become a Jew to try to pull down Jesus and Paul?

God made the law, the law is Good. Jesus learned from his Father the Law Giver and Paul said the law is a curse.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Indeed.
He who hangs on a tree became a curse for us that we may live.
Should you become jew yourself as you put some faith in the law and complete every aspect perfectly?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2009,15:48)

Hi BD, Indeed. He who hangs on a tree became a curse for us that we may live. Should you become  jew yourself as you put some faith in the law and complete every aspect perfectly?

You misunderstand the laws of God they are good and not a burden but the fact is even Jesus made it easier by saying the two commandments that fulfill all righteousnes but Paul doesn't repeat that, he just says the law is abolished so he even abolishes the two commandments that Jesus made solid.

Paul says you are a Law unto yourself

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
So you have picked up the burden of the jewish law without being invited and hope to please God?

The law of the Spirit is the new Law.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2009,16:06)

Hi BD, So you have picked up the burden of the jewish law without being invited and hope to please God? The law of the Spirit is the new Law.

The new Law is the same as the old law as righteousness is the only way of God

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
The NT aligns with the OT.
But in Jesus is found grace to fulfil.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2009,16:21)

Hi BD, The NT aligns with the OT. But in Jesus is found grace to fulfil.

That's true.

[Jesus name follower of Christ]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 09 2009,16:43)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2009,16:21) Hi BD, The NT aligns with the OT. But in Jesus is found grace to fulfil. That's true.

we all need jesus and thomas even said my Lord and my God

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 10 2009,00:30)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 09 2009,16:43) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2009,16:21) Hi BD, The NT aligns with the OT. But in Jesus is found grace to fulfil. That's true. we  all need jesus  and thomas even said my Lord and my God

You had better focus on doing the will of the Father and God of Jesus lest he may deny you later.

Matthew 7

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

[Jesus name follower of Christ]

we must do what God wants us to do or we may not make it:;):

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 10 2009,01:10)

we must do what God wants us to do or we may not make it:;):

to do that you must understand that God is not a man, nor a son of man. So follow the example of Jesus and worship his God and your God which is his Father.

[Jesus name follower of Christ]

i worship God , but can you tell me the name of God ?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 10 2009,01:24)

i worship God , but can you tell me the name of God ?

God calls Himself many names but the Fact is He is Almighty God the Father of Jesus and you. in-fact He is The God of all flesh and spirit.

Worship who Jesus worships if you love jesus and want to be obedient.

[TrinitarianCalvinist27]

Quote (942767 @ July 08 2009,16:03)

Quote (TrinitarianCalvinist27 @ July 09 2009,08:29) Quote (942767 @ July 07 2009,16:17) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 08 2009,11:18) Quote (TrinitarianCalvinist27 @ July 08 2009,10:50) Quote Hi TC: He was “fully God, and fully man”.  Where is that scripture? He is God in that he is the express image of God's person.  God made man in His own image, and Jesus is the “last Adam”. And so, Jesus said, “he who hath seen me hath seen the Father”.  How so?  By the works that he did in obedience to God. No, he is not just any man.  He is the Christ the Only Begotten Son of the Living God. Love in Christ, Marty That Scripture is all throughout the Bible. If the Bible says that Jesus is man, then he is. If the Bible says that Jesus is God (which it does in Titus 2:13 and other passages) then he is. Therefore, we can infer that if he is man, and if he is God, that he is both. TC27 Hi TC, Jesus said he is the Son of God but somehow that statement is ignored in the lofty world of inference and logic. Hi TC: There is a scripture in which God call the Son of God “God”, but there is no scripture which states that Jesus is God. God has revealed to us who Jesus is in Matthew 16. And there is a scripture which states that there is “one God” and mediator between God and man, “the man” Christ Jesus. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, You admit that there is a verse that calls the Son of God, God. Then you say that the Bible never says that Jesus is God. What a contradiction if I ever saw one. Tell me how this is suppose to make sense. If the Son of God is called God, then the Bible is saying that Jesus is God. TC27 Hi TC: No, contradiction, the bible does not say that Jesus is God in the sense that trinitarians say that he is. He is God in that he is the express image of God's person.  God made man in His own image.  Jesus is the last Adam. The first man Adam was made a living soul like God in that he has a mind, a will, and emotions.  The last Adam is like God in that he is a spirit of love, and so, Jesus is God in that through obedience to the Word of God, he, through the life that he lives, manifests the love of God for humanity through what he has done.   But God is much greater than just these attributes.  He is the source of the whole universe, and everything in it, and the source of all wisdom. And so, that is what I have meant by saying that there is no scripture saying that Jesus is God.  Perhaps, I should have added “in the sense that trinitarians say that he is God”. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty,

What is the difference between being God and being the express image of God? Express means exactly alike. Are you saying that Jesus is a clone of God? OK I can deal with that because a clone is the same thing as the original. Therefore Jesus would be God. Thanks!

TC27

[Not3in1]

Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 10 2009,00:30)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 09 2009,16:43) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2009,16:21) Hi BD, The NT aligns with the OT. But in Jesus is found grace to fulfil. That's true. we  all need jesus  and thomas even said my Lord and my God

Even Keith (WJ) is willing to say that there are things not told of Jesus' life – the books could not contain all that would be there.

What of this scene between Thomas and Jesus….what if body language played a part? Indulge me for a moment. Let me paint a potential scene for you:

Thomas is brought to his knees when he sees his Master, Jesus, come through the door after he had been crucified. Thomas raised both hands towards him and says, “My Lord!”. He was so excited to see him! And then out of praise to God for brining his Master back, he raises his hands towards heaven and exclaims, “and my God!”. Meaning, thank you God!.

Hmmmm? Could it have happened this way? Of course it could have – we weren't there. Had the boys or Thomas ever called Jesus “God” before? If so, where?

Thanks,
Mandy

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Not3in1 @ July 10 2009,06:15)

Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 10 2009,00:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 09 2009,16:43) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2009,16:21) Hi BD, The NT aligns with the OT. But in Jesus is found grace to fulfil. That's true. we  all need jesus  and thomas even said my Lord and my God Even Keith (WJ) is willing to say that there are things not told of Jesus' life – the books could not contain all that would be there. What of this scene between Thomas and Jesus….what if body language played a part?  Indulge me for a moment.  Let me paint a potential scene for you: Thomas is brought to his knees when he sees his Master, Jesus, come through the door after he had been crucified.  Thomas raised both hands towards him and says, “My Lord!”.  He was so excited to see him!  And then out of praise to God for brining his Master back, he raises his hands towards heaven and exclaims, “and my God!”.  Meaning, thank you God!. Hmmmm?  Could it have happened this way?  Of course it could have – we weren't there.  Had the boys or Thomas ever called Jesus “God” before?  If so, where? Thanks, Mandy

That's exactly what I said. There is even and exclamation point showing excitement.

It's like if you seen someone you thought was dead and gone walking in your room right now you would(I know I would) say OH, MY GOD!!!

And it wouldn't be God.

[NickHassan]

Quote (TrinitarianCalvinist27 @ July 10 2009,02:02)

Quote (942767 @ July 08 2009,16:03) Quote (TrinitarianCalvinist27 @ July 09 2009,08:29) Quote (942767 @ July 07 2009,16:17) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 08 2009,11:18) Quote (TrinitarianCalvinist27 @ July 08 2009,10:50) Quote Hi TC: He was “fully God, and fully man”.  Where is that scripture? He is God in that he is the express image of God's person.  God made man in His own image, and Jesus is the “last Adam”. And so, Jesus said, “he who hath seen me hath seen the Father”.  How so?  By the works that he did in obedience to God. No, he is not just any man.  He is the Christ the Only Begotten Son of the Living God. Love in Christ, Marty That Scripture is all throughout the Bible. If the Bible says that Jesus is man, then he is. If the Bible says that Jesus is God (which it does in Titus 2:13 and other passages) then he is. Therefore, we can infer that if he is man, and if he is God, that he is both. TC27 Hi TC, Jesus said he is the Son of God but somehow that statement is ignored in the lofty world of inference and logic. Hi TC: There is a scripture in which God call the Son of God “God”, but there is no scripture which states that Jesus is God. God has revealed to us who Jesus is in Matthew 16. And there is a scripture which states that there is “one God” and mediator between God and man, “the man” Christ Jesus. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, You admit that there is a verse that calls the Son of God, God. Then you say that the Bible never says that Jesus is God. What a contradiction if I ever saw one. Tell me how this is suppose to make sense. If the Son of God is called God, then the Bible is saying that Jesus is God. TC27 Hi TC: No, contradiction, the bible does not say that Jesus is God in the sense that trinitarians say that he is. He is God in that he is the express image of God's person.  God made man in His own image.  Jesus is the last Adam. The first man Adam was made a living soul like God in that he has a mind, a will, and emotions.  The last Adam is like God in that he is a spirit of love, and so, Jesus is God in that through obedience to the Word of God, he, through the life that he lives, manifests the love of God for humanity through what he has done.   But God is much greater than just these attributes.  He is the source of the whole universe, and everything in it, and the source of all wisdom. And so, that is what I have meant by saying that there is no scripture saying that Jesus is God.  Perhaps, I should have added “in the sense that trinitarians say that he is God”. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, What is the difference between being God and being the express image of God? Express means exactly alike. Are you saying that Jesus is a clone of God? OK I can deal with that because a clone is the same thing as the original. Therefore Jesus would be God. Thanks! TC27

Hi TC,
So God cloned Himself as Jesus?
But God was in Jesus.

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