Atheists pose NO intellectual threat to God

[WhatIsTrue]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 10 2010,05:06)

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 10 2010,01:29) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,14:24) Hi Stuart, You seem to have a major blockage in the comprehension department. The Earths tilted axis orbiting around the Sun causes seasons, The Earth was put in orbit around the Sun on day four. But Earths axis rotation was done on day one, the same day that the Sun was created. Get your biblical FACTS straight! Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Apparently, the people who spend their lives defending the biblical accounts of creation have the same blockage as Stu. From Answers In Genesis: Quote There are those who argue that Genesis 1 is a simplified account of evolution. But such a hypothesis does not stand up to scrutiny. A quick look at the order of the events in Genesis 1 and in evolution shows this (see chart below1). The order of events is quite different, and the Genesis account of creation bears no relation to the evolutionary account of origins. Evolution                                            Genesis Sun before earth                                           Earth before sun Dry land before sea                                        Sea before dry land Atmosphere before sea                                   Sea before atmosphere Sun before light on earth                                 Light on earth before sun Stars before earth                                          Earth before stars Earth at same time as planets                           Earth before other planets Sea creatures before land plants                        Land plants before sea creatures Earthworms before starfish                                Starfish before earthworms Land animals before trees                                 Trees before land animals Death before man                                            Man before death Thorns and thistles before man                          Man before thorns and thistles TB pathogens & cancer before man                    Man before TB pathogens and cancer (dinosaurs had TB and cancer) Reptiles before birds                                        Birds before reptiles Land mammals before whales                            Whales before land animals Land mammals before bats                                Bats before land animals Dinosaurs before birds                                      Birds before dinosaurs Insects before flowering plants                          Flowering plants before insects Sun before plants                                            Plants before sun Dinosaurs before dolphins                                 Dolphins before dinosaurs Land reptiles before pterosaurs                          Pterosaurs before land reptiles So, who's right Ed?  You or everybody else? Hi WIT,                        Apparently they do! You are full of false statements aren't you? How can you say everybody else? as you post two sets of information? None of those squag opinions amount to a hill of beans! Plus neither of those charts are correct according to the bible. Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH! יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

Fair enough.  I overstated my case.

After checking a few random apologetic sites, I have found others who believe as you do that the sun was present from day one.  However, unlike you they don't believe anything about God “spinning” the earth on day one and then putting the earth in orbit on day four.

They believe:

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So considering the precedent of the rearranging of the water possibly day four also is a rearranging of the COVER, that on day four the LIGHTS THAT EXISTED since day one now can shine brightly on the earth as the atmospheric COVERING is changed, turned from translucent to occasionally transparent, as it is today!!

I imagine that if I spent enough time that I could find other wildly different interpretations of the same bible verses – all of them containing their own set of supplementary commentary that explains their re-telling of the story.

The people at Answers in Genesis are at least honest enough to read the verses literally without trying to inject any modern day notions back into them.  You, and others, clearly are not content with what the verses actually say and have decided to put your own spin – pun intended – on them.  Here's how you can prove me wrong:

Show me any verse in this passage, or even in the whole bible, that talks about the rotation of the earth or the earth's orbit around the sun.  Do NOT point to verses that talk about the effects of the earth's movements.  (Understanding that we have seasons does not suggest an awareness of what causes them.)  Otherwise, there is no proof that the people who wrote the bible (or the “spirit that inspired it”) had any knowledge of such things and therefore should not be read back into the creation story.

[Ed J]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 11 2010,01:51)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 10 2010,04:57) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 10 2010,08:19) Ed J, So in a few minutes, I came up with the following words that corresponded to your “God Numbers”: demonic = 63 evil god = 74 no gods = 74 hitlers god = 117 phoniest gods = 151 no powers god = 151 phony number = 151 26 was hard to match since I don't speak Hebrew. I think I need more guidance here.  What am I doing wrong? Hi Wit, …………………God's signature YHVH=63 (God's Name: יהוה transliterated into English) יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH is pronounced YÄ-hä-vā) Jesus=74 (God's Son's Name in English is: “Joshua”) God The Father=117 (Representing GOD: יהוה האלהים) HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The word”: in all believers!) “Gematria”(74): is the use of number valuations, associating different words together, through integers. “Theomatics”: is the practice of using “Gematria” to associate Theological ideas together; through the use of multiplication factors derived from their Gematria valuations. This the type of start you are looking for… The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63. This “Theomatic” sentence MUST be true because of the following Circumstantial bullet Points… 1. God's name (יהוה) transliterates into English as “YHVH”(63). YHVH's Theomatic total matches precisely the meaning of The Book “in Greek”, which translates into English as “The Bible”(63), which is “The Book” written about God. Furthermore, The pronunciation of “The Title” God (אלהים) in Hebrew “ĔL-ō-Hêêm”(63) matches as well. (Click Here) 2. [אלהים] “ĔL-ō-Hêêm”(63) in Hebrew, first mentioned in Genesis:1:1 is God. (Click Here) Prime number counterparts is another aspect of “Theomatics” (Numbers related to God) In 23 the 33 beginning 81 God 26 created 56 the 33 heaven 55 = 307 (63rd prime number) 3. God's Name is first mentioned “in singular form” in Exodus 6:3. Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of “God Almighty”, but by my name JEHOVAH(YHVH=63) was I not known to them. “God Almighty”: [בְּאֵל שַׁדָּי] “El Shaddia”=63 is another very significant bullet point! 4. The Bible has both an “Old” and a “New” Testament=117 The Greek for word for “Testament” is [διαθήκη] “diathéké”=63! (Click Here) 5. Nehemiah*=63 (this Prophet's Name means: in essence) Comfort John 16:7 Nevertheless I(Jesus) tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away(crucifixion): for if I go not away, the Comforter (HolySpirit / God Spirit=117) will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 6. Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth                 is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as                 [“The Latter Rain“=151 and “former rain“=117] unto the earth.                       “Rain” in The Bible is doctrine! Deut.32:1 My 38 doctrine 88 shall 52 drop 53 as 20 the 33 rain 42 my 38 speech 56 shall 52 distil 73 as 20 the 33 dew 32 = 630 (Rev.15:3) Another aspect of “Theomatics” is meanings are intensified by adding zeros; much like adding zeros means monetary values are increased in currency notes. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org *The Prophet Nehemiah was commissioned to rebuild Jerusalem. What you have shown here took a lot of time and effort to put together, (1)but you haven't shown that it is an objective discovery of truth.  (2)I am contending that if I put in the same time and effort, I could come up with an elaborate set of “truths” that in no way resembles anything that you believe. (3)I have asked several times and you have failed to specify the actual rules that govern your number system.  (4)If your pdf is the extent of it, then I (and others) have already shown that the rules of simple gemetria can be made to say anything.  (5)Unless you have something beyond that, you have only demonstrated that you have spent a lot of time on your own “discoveries” but that they are NOT a byproduct of any objective systematic research.

Hi WIT,

1) I told you it's investigative; why do you 'choose' to use words that
    show your own personal bias, such as subjective or objective?
    Neither are correct, as both show bias and are misleading!

2) There's another who thinks exactly like you! Click Here

3) I have already told you: it is not my system; God
orchestrated it's intelligent design over many millennium!

4) Eph.4:29-30: Have you really converted to Atheism? Does your wife know?

5) God is NOW PROVEN to be encoded in AKJV Bible! (1Thess.5:21) Click Here and Here

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 11 2010,01:51)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 10 2010,04:57) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 10 2010,08:19) Ed J, So in a few minutes, I came up with the following words that corresponded to your “God Numbers”: demonic = 63 evil god = 74 no gods = 74 hitlers god = 117 phoniest gods = 151 no powers god = 151 phony number = 151 26 was hard to match since I don't speak Hebrew. I think I need more guidance here.  What am I doing wrong? Hi Wit, …………………God's signature YHVH=63 (God's Name: יהוה transliterated into English) יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH is pronounced YÄ-hä-vā) Jesus=74 (God's Son's Name in English is: “Joshua”) God The Father=117 (Representing GOD: יהוה האלהים) HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The word”: in all believers!) “Gematria”(74): is the use of number valuations, associating different words together, through integers. “Theomatics”: is the practice of using “Gematria” to associate Theological ideas together; through the use of multiplication factors derived from their Gematria valuations. This the type of start you are looking for… The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63. This “Theomatic” sentence MUST be true because of the following Circumstantial bullet Points… 1. God's name (יהוה) transliterates into English as “YHVH”(63). YHVH's Theomatic total matches precisely the meaning of The Book “in Greek”, which translates into English as “The Bible”(63), which is “The Book” written about God. Furthermore, The pronunciation of “The Title” God (אלהים) in Hebrew “ĔL-ō-Hêêm”(63) matches as well. (Click Here) 2. [אלהים] “ĔL-ō-Hêêm”(63) in Hebrew, first mentioned in Genesis:1:1 is God. (Click Here) Prime number counterparts is another aspect of “Theomatics” (Numbers related to God) In 23 the 33 beginning 81 God 26 created 56 the 33 heaven 55 = 307 (63rd prime number) 3. God's Name is first mentioned “in singular form” in Exodus 6:3. Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of “God Almighty”, but by my name JEHOVAH(YHVH=63) was I not known to them. “God Almighty”: [בְּאֵל שַׁדָּי] “El Shaddia”=63 is another very significant bullet point! 4. The Bible has both an “Old” and a “New” Testament=117 The Greek for word for “Testament” is [διαθήκη] “diathéké”=63! (Click Here) 5. Nehemiah*=63 (this Prophet's Name means: in essence) Comfort John 16:7 Nevertheless I(Jesus) tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away(crucifixion): for if I go not away, the Comforter (HolySpirit / God Spirit=117) will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 6. Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth                 is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as                 [“The Latter Rain“=151 and “former rain“=117] unto the earth.                       “Rain” in The Bible is doctrine! Deut.32:1 My 38 doctrine 88 shall 52 drop 53 as 20 the 33 rain 42 my 38 speech 56 shall 52 distil 73 as 20 the 33 dew 32 = 630 (Rev.15:3) Another aspect of “Theomatics” is meanings are intensified by adding zeros; much like adding zeros means monetary values are increased in currency notes. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org *The Prophet Nehemiah was commissioned to rebuild Jerusalem. What you have shown here took a lot of time and effort to put together…

Hi WIT,

Is not the evidence quite compelling?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 11 2010,02:15)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 10 2010,05:06) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 10 2010,01:29) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,14:24) Hi Stuart, You seem to have a major blockage in the comprehension department. The Earths tilted axis orbiting around the Sun causes seasons, The Earth was put in orbit around the Sun on day four. But Earths axis rotation was done on day one, the same day that the Sun was created. Get your biblical FACTS straight! Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Apparently, the people who spend their lives defending the biblical accounts of creation have the same blockage as Stu. From Answers In Genesis: Quote There are those who argue that Genesis 1 is a simplified account of evolution. But such a hypothesis does not stand up to scrutiny. A quick look at the order of the events in Genesis 1 and in evolution shows this (see chart below1). The order of events is quite different, and the Genesis account of creation bears no relation to the evolutionary account of origins. Evolution                                            Genesis Sun before earth                                           Earth before sun Dry land before sea                                        Sea before dry land Atmosphere before sea                                   Sea before atmosphere Sun before light on earth                                 Light on earth before sun Stars before earth                                          Earth before stars Earth at same time as planets                           Earth before other planets Sea creatures before land plants                        Land plants before sea creatures Earthworms before starfish                                Starfish before earthworms Land animals before trees                                 Trees before land animals Death before man                                            Man before death Thorns and thistles before man                          Man before thorns and thistles TB pathogens & cancer before man                    Man before TB pathogens and cancer (dinosaurs had TB and cancer) Reptiles before birds                                        Birds before reptiles Land mammals before whales                            Whales before land animals Land mammals before bats                                Bats before land animals Dinosaurs before birds                                      Birds before dinosaurs Insects before flowering plants                          Flowering plants before insects Sun before plants                                            Plants before sun Dinosaurs before dolphins                                 Dolphins before dinosaurs Land reptiles before pterosaurs                          Pterosaurs before land reptiles So, who's right Ed?  You or everybody else? Hi WIT,                        Apparently they do! You are full of false statements aren't you? How can you say everybody else? as you post two sets of information? None of those squag opinions amount to a hill of beans! Plus neither of those charts are correct according to the bible. Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH! יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16) Fair enough.  I overstated my case. After checking a few random apologetic sites, I have found others who believe as you do that the sun was present from day one.  However, unlike you they don't believe anything about God “spinning” the earth on day one and then putting the earth in orbit on day four.

Hi WIT,

That is what “The Bible” suggests.
As I told you before, my research is strictly investigative.
Here is a quote from the free e-book I wrote (also posted on the web site)…
Quote: “Correct conclusions draw their essence through comprehensive investigation.” (John 16:14)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 11 2010,02:15)

You, and others, clearly are not content with what the verses actually say and have decided to put your own spin – pun intended – on them.

Hi WIT,

The same could be said to both you and Stuart
about what the research clearly suggests that I present to you.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 11 2010,02:15)

Here's how you can prove me wrong: Show me any verse in this passage, or even in the whole bible, that talks about (1)the rotation of the earth or (2)the earth's orbit around the sun.

HI Wit,

At the time that “The Bible”(63) was penned,
they didn't have scientific terminology!
I assumed you knew that FACT!

1) Gen.1:4 God divided the light from the darkness.
2) Job 26:7 He(YHVH=63) …hangeth the earth upon nothing.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2010,08:17)

I challenge you or anyone to come up with a single practically useful piece of information that was only originally known through religious revelation.  Something as good as a statement like “some diseases are caused by things too small to be seen”, for example.   Had your Imaginary Friend included that in ancient scripture then I would believe you. Stuart

Thank you, Stuart, for the kind offer! (Matt.7:7 / 2Tm.2:13)
But, too bad you (Stuart) are still unwilling to turn to my God; YHVH!

I told you, you were naive; now you also illustrate (to us believers) that you are ignorant as well.
Here are three examples of written information, penned long before Science has been able to confirm!

1) Biochemistry: Pig is an unhealthy animal to consume for sustenance.
Leviticus 11:7 …the swine …he is unclean to you.
Pigs are scavenger animals, eating both dung and carcass remains.
Toxins are excreted out of the sweat glands of mammals, pigs don't sweat!
Plus: Without the advent of refrigeration, pork meat is susceptible to trichinosis.

2) Digestion: Slaughtered animals that “ARE” to be eaten,
must first be bleed; and dead animals are not fit for human consumption.
Genesis 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
Deut.15:23 …thou shalt not eat the blood thereof; thou shalt pour it upon the ground as water.
Leviticus 22:8 That which dieth of itself, or is torn with beasts, he shall not eat to defile himself therewith.

3) Astronomy: The Earth is round and that the Universe is ever expanding…
Isaiah 40:22 …the circle of the earth, and …that stretcheth out
the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Job 26:7 He …hangeth the earth upon nothing. (Gravitational forces hold it's position)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[WhatIsTrue]

Ed J,

Trying to have a discussion with you is like trying to have a discussion with an infomercial.  You keep repeating the same information over and over again regardless of the specific challenges that people present you.  I don't know if you've convinced yourself that your “investigative work” is infallible, but you certainly appear to operate under that assumption.

For the record, these two stipulations of mine remain unaddressed:

1.  Your number system is an elaborate construction of your own making.  There are no objective rules to determine what numbers are of significance versus which ones are not and no rules to indicate the correct way to relate numbered themes to each other.  All of those choices appear to be personal and therefore biased.

2.  Your interpretation of Genesis 1 is unsubstantiated by anything in the bible itself.  You say that the bible writers “didn't have scientific terminology”, but it is more accurate to say that they didn't have any scientific understanding.  Just as I don't need to use latin to describe a medical condition, a knowledgeable person can explain a scientific concept using simple language.  Nothing like that is recorded anywhere in scripture with regard to the earth's rotation or orbit.  You made it up to correct the obvious flaws in the biblical narrative.

Until you actually address those two points, I don't see much point in going around the circle with you again.

[Ed J]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 11 2010,10:08)

Ed J, Trying to have a discussion with you is like trying to have a discussion with an infomercial.  You keep repeating the same information over and over again regardless of the specific challenges that people present you.  I don't know if you've convinced yourself that your “investigative work” is infallible, but you certainly appear to operate under that assumption. For the record, these two stipulations of mine remain unaddressed: 1.  Your number system is an elaborate construction of your own making.  There are no objective rules to determine what numbers are of significance versus which ones are not and no rules to indicate the correct way to relate numbered themes to each other.  All of those choices appear to be personal and therefore biased. 2.  Your interpretation of Genesis 1 is unsubstantiated by anything in the bible itself.  You say that the bible writers “didn't have scientific terminology”, but it is more accurate to say that they didn't have any scientific understanding.  Just as I don't need to use latin to describe a medical condition, a knowledgeable person can explain a scientific concept using simple language.  Nothing like that is recorded anywhere in scripture with regard to the earth's rotation or orbit.  You made it up to correct the obvious flaws in the biblical narrative. Until you actually address those two points, I don't see much point in going around the circle with you again.

Hi WIT,

What you offer as truth is nothing but ‘a dichotomy’.
Let me explain this for you (WIT), as you appear
to be brainwashed by your own prejudices.

I have told you: The purpose of illustrating the information presented is
to PROVE that God has the PROOF of his existence encoded in the “AKJV Bible”(74).

So You attempt to take the focus away from my goal, by giving me a bogus choice of parameters.
These biased choices (of yours) only serve to discredit my unbiased investigative research. Your choices are…

A. ‘Subjective’: This choice is an upfront attempt (by you) to suggest that the information is
meant to be (according to WIT) biased, irrelevant, and no meaningful substance whatsoever.

B. ‘Objective’: This is the truly the deceptive choice of the two! This choice implies that there must
not be a goal. In the exactness of words, the extreme attachment is: no direction whatsoever.

Choice A. (giving you a parable) is like sending someone out to find and bring back gold,
only to be cheated out of the booty by the one who sent them. A truly biased motive!

Choice B. is like sending someone out to find and bring back the same gold…
    1. the difference is: you cannot tell them where to look for the gold
    2. nor even tell them what they are looking for; to be unbiased!

So both of your choices are really merely a guise to attempt
to get me to admit that my research (according to WIT) is rigged and
manipulated much like a parlor trick, to derive at the desired predetermined outcome.

Here is what my God(YHVH) says concerning this attempt…
Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee(Ed J) shall prosper;
and every tongue that shall rise against thee(Ed J) in judgment thou shalt condemn. This
is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith .

Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

[Ed J]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 10 2010,08:19)

Ed J, So in a few minutes, I came up with the following words that corresponded to your “God Numbers”: demonic = 63 evil god = 74 no gods = 74 hitlers god = 117 phoniest gods = 151 no powers god = 151 phony number = 151 26 was hard to match since I don't speak Hebrew. I think I need more guidance here.  What am I doing wrong?

Hi WIT,

      So you weren't really interested in The Truth of (   ) after all,
      but your only motivation was in trying discredit my research!

                                (“GOD”26)

      Not an infomercial, but information wars!
      ‘You’ at least realize your accusation was   …FRUITLESS (Mark 11:21-22)

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 11 2010,10:08)

I don't see much point in going around the circle with you again.

       Here's a song for your failed attempt!

Enjoy!

[Stu]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 11 2010,06:15)

Quote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2010,08:17) I challenge you or anyone to come up with a single practically useful piece of information that was only originally known through religious revelation.  Something as good as a statement like “some diseases are caused by things too small to be seen”, for example.   Had your Imaginary Friend included that in ancient scripture then I would believe you. Stuart Thank you, Stuart, for the kind offer! (Matt.7:7 / 2Tm.2:13) But, too bad you (Stuart) are still unwilling to turn to my God; YHVH! I told you, you were naive; now you also illustrate (to us believers) that you are ignorant as well. Here are three examples of written information, penned long before Science has been able to confirm! 1) Biochemistry: Pig is an unhealthy animal to consume for sustenance. Leviticus 11:7 …the swine …he is unclean to you. Pigs are scavenger animals, eating both dung and carcass remains. Toxins are excreted out of the sweat glands of mammals, pigs don't sweat! Plus: Without the advent of refrigeration, pork meat is susceptible to trichinosis. 2) Digestion: Slaughtered animals that “ARE” to be eaten, must first be bleed; and dead animals are not fit for human consumption. Genesis 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. Deut.15:23 …thou shalt not eat the blood thereof; thou shalt pour it upon the ground as water. Leviticus 22:8 That which dieth of itself, or is torn with beasts, he shall not eat to defile himself therewith. 3) Astronomy: The Earth is round and that the Universe is ever expanding… Isaiah 40:22 …the circle of the earth, and …that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: Job 26:7 He …hangeth the earth upon nothing. (Gravitational forces hold it's position) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Really dishonest Ed. Already discussed this, and you failed to sustain your arguments against exactly the same kind of points that WiT is making to you now.

If the bible had the word trichinosis in it, you would have a point.

But it doesn't, so you don't.

Stuart

[Ed J]

Quote (Stu @ Nov. 11 2010,20:04)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 11 2010,06:15) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2010,08:17) I challenge you or anyone to come up with a single practically useful piece of information that was only originally known through religious revelation.  Something as good as a statement like “some diseases are caused by things too small to be seen”, for example.   Had your Imaginary Friend included that in ancient scripture then I would believe you. Stuart Thank you, Stuart, for the kind offer! (Matt.7:7 / 2Tm.2:13) But, too bad you (Stuart) are still unwilling to turn to my God; YHVH! I told you, you were naive; now you also illustrate (to us believers) that you are ignorant as well. Here are three examples of written information, penned long before Science has been able to confirm! 1) Biochemistry: Pig is an unhealthy animal to consume for sustenance. Leviticus 11:7 …the swine …he is unclean to you. Pigs are scavenger animals, eating both dung and carcass remains. Toxins are excreted out of the sweat glands of mammals, pigs don't sweat! Plus: Without the advent of refrigeration, pork meat is susceptible to trichinosis. 2) Digestion: Slaughtered animals that “ARE” to be eaten, must first be bleed; and dead animals are not fit for human consumption. Genesis 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. Deut.15:23 …thou shalt not eat the blood thereof; thou shalt pour it upon the ground as water. Leviticus 22:8 That which dieth of itself, or is torn with beasts, he shall not eat to defile himself therewith. 3) Astronomy: The Earth is round and that the Universe is ever expanding… Isaiah 40:22 …the circle of the earth, and …that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: Job 26:7 He …hangeth the earth upon nothing. (Gravitational forces hold it's position) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Really dishonest Ed.  Already discussed this, and you failed to sustain your arguments against exactly the same kind of points that WiT is making to you now. If the bible had the word trichinosis in it, you would have a point. But it doesn't, so you don't. Stuart

HI Stuart,

Your just sorry that you can't prove the Bible wrong! And
even more troubled to see I've documented it's authenticity!

Isaiah 28:19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you:
for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night:
and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.

Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Stu]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 11 2010,20:43)

Quote (Stu @ Nov. 11 2010,20:04) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 11 2010,06:15) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2010,08:17) I challenge you or anyone to come up with a single practically useful piece of information that was only originally known through religious revelation.  Something as good as a statement like “some diseases are caused by things too small to be seen”, for example.   Had your Imaginary Friend included that in ancient scripture then I would believe you. Stuart Thank you, Stuart, for the kind offer! (Matt.7:7 / 2Tm.2:13) But, too bad you (Stuart) are still unwilling to turn to my God; YHVH! I told you, you were naive; now you also illustrate (to us believers) that you are ignorant as well. Here are three examples of written information, penned long before Science has been able to confirm! 1) Biochemistry: Pig is an unhealthy animal to consume for sustenance. Leviticus 11:7 …the swine …he is unclean to you. Pigs are scavenger animals, eating both dung and carcass remains. Toxins are excreted out of the sweat glands of mammals, pigs don't sweat! Plus: Without the advent of refrigeration, pork meat is susceptible to trichinosis. 2) Digestion: Slaughtered animals that “ARE” to be eaten, must first be bleed; and dead animals are not fit for human consumption. Genesis 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. Deut.15:23 …thou shalt not eat the blood thereof; thou shalt pour it upon the ground as water. Leviticus 22:8 That which dieth of itself, or is torn with beasts, he shall not eat to defile himself therewith. 3) Astronomy: The Earth is round and that the Universe is ever expanding… Isaiah 40:22 …the circle of the earth, and …that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: Job 26:7 He …hangeth the earth upon nothing. (Gravitational forces hold it's position) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Really dishonest Ed.  Already discussed this, and you failed to sustain your arguments against exactly the same kind of points that WiT is making to you now. If the bible had the word trichinosis in it, you would have a point. But it doesn't, so you don't. Stuart HI Stuart, Your just sorry that you can't prove the Bible wrong! And even more troubled to see I've documented it's authenticity! Isaiah 28:19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

No global flood, no mention of microorganisms or anything like it, no Earth before light, and humans are not the product of breathing into dirt.

Disproved.

Did you forget about those facts?

Stuart

[Ed J]

Quote (Stu @ Nov. 11 2010,21:00)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 11 2010,20:43) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 11 2010,20:04) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 11 2010,06:15) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2010,08:17) I challenge you or anyone to come up with a single practically useful piece of information that was only originally known through religious revelation.  Something as good as a statement like “some diseases are caused by things too small to be seen”, for example.   Had your Imaginary Friend included that in ancient scripture then I would believe you. Stuart Thank you, Stuart, for the kind offer! (Matt.7:7 / 2Tm.2:13) But, too bad you (Stuart) are still unwilling to turn to my God; YHVH! I told you, you were naive; now you also illustrate (to us believers) that you are ignorant as well. Here are three examples of written information, penned long before Science has been able to confirm! 1) Biochemistry: Pig is an unhealthy animal to consume for sustenance. Leviticus 11:7 …the swine …he is unclean to you. Pigs are scavenger animals, eating both dung and carcass remains. Toxins are excreted out of the sweat glands of mammals, pigs don't sweat! Plus: Without the advent of refrigeration, pork meat is susceptible to trichinosis. 2) Digestion: Slaughtered animals that “ARE” to be eaten, must first be bleed; and dead animals are not fit for human consumption. Genesis 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. Deut.15:23 …thou shalt not eat the blood thereof; thou shalt pour it upon the ground as water. Leviticus 22:8 That which dieth of itself, or is torn with beasts, he shall not eat to defile himself therewith. 3) Astronomy: The Earth is round and that the Universe is ever expanding… Isaiah 40:22 …the circle of the earth, and …that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: Job 26:7 He …hangeth the earth upon nothing. (Gravitational forces hold it's position) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Really dishonest Ed.  Already discussed this, and you failed to sustain your arguments against exactly the same kind of points that WiT is making to you now. If the bible had the word trichinosis in it, you would have a point. But it doesn't, so you don't. Stuart HI Stuart, Your just sorry that you can't prove the Bible wrong! And even more troubled to see I've documented it's authenticity! Isaiah 28:19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org No global flood, no mention of microorganisms or anything like it, no Earth before light, and humans are not the product of breathing into dirt. Disproved. Did you forget about those facts? Stuart

Hi Stuart,

Scientific data suggests that the flood model best fits the observable evidence.

Enjoy!

[WhatIsTrue]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 11 2010,10:00)

Hi WIT, What you offer as truth is nothing but ‘a dichotomy’. Let me explain this for you (WIT), as you appear to be brainwashed by your own prejudices. I have told you: The purpose of illustrating the information presented is to PROVE that God has the PROOF of his existence encoded in the “AKJV Bible”(74). So You attempt to take the focus away from my goal, by giving me a bogus choice of parameters. These biased choices (of yours) only serve to discredit my unbiased investigative research. Your choices are… A. ‘Subjective’: This choice is an upfront attempt (by you) to suggest that the information is meant to be (according to WIT) biased, irrelevant, and no meaningful substance whatsoever. B. ‘Objective’: This is the truly the deceptive choice of the two! This choice implies that there must not be a goal. In the exactness of words, the extreme attachment is: no direction whatsoever. Choice A. (giving you a parable) is like sending someone out to find and bring back gold, only to be cheated out of the booty by the one who sent them. A truly biased motive! Choice B. is like sending someone out to find and bring back the same gold…     1. the difference is: you cannot tell them where to look for the gold     2. nor even tell them what they are looking for; to be unbiased! So both of your choices are really merely a guise to attempt to get me to admit that my research (according to WIT) is rigged and manipulated much like a parlor trick, to derive at the desired predetermined outcome. Here is what my God(YHVH) says concerning this attempt… Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee(Ed J) shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee(Ed J) in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith . Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH! יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

Your analogy is flawed on many levels.

Firstly, what you offer is not certified “gold”.  It is a shiny metal of questionable origin.

Secondly, I am not asking you to tell me how to find it.  I am asking you to show that it is real.  In other words, is what you present a neat parlor trick, or a genuine miracle?

To that end, a better analogy would be…

A. 'Subjective': You show me a magic trick, (e.g. “Watch me make my assistant disappear!”), but you will only let me watch from a certain vantage point.

B. 'Objective': You show me a magic trick, but I am allowed to view it from any angle, examine any part of the stage, and can review it from various perspectives as many times as I like.

You want me to be amazed by your trick.  I am asking to be able to examine it.  I know that it sucks the mystery out of it, but that is exactly the point.

[Stu]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 12 2010,01:27)

Hi Stuart, Scientific data suggests that the flood model best fits the observable evidence. Enjoy!

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How do you sustain such large amounts of inertia over millions of years? You have an enormous amount of plastic rock moving very slowly in convection. And it’s not millions of years, it’s billions of years. During Noah’s flood the supercontinent broke into several large pieces, creating Noah’s flood.

So the flood caused the flood. Looks like there is a second uncaused cause here.

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Seafloor upheaval that tore up the ocean floor: plate tectonics proposes this too

Where does it propose that? There are oceanic ridges where the ocean floor separates and new rock forms, and subduction zones where the ocean floor dives below another plate and melts. You can hardly call that any kind of tearing up.

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Wegener’s theory got involved in an evolutionary understanding of the history of the continents

That is a conspiracy theory that is irrelevant. The evolutionary timescale is consistent with an old earth and the theory of plate tectonics is consistent with an old earth. To say we need one to support the other is bollocks. They are just two of many different pieces of evidence consistent with an old earth.

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Creationists reacted badly to this in the 1970s because it implied the “evolutionary timescale”

I bet they choked on their morning whiskeys over it.

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Rapid plate tectonics provides a solution to lots of problems and having a mechanism for Noah’s flood

A: it doesn’t, and B: there is no evidence for the flood that apparently requires explaining.

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“Evolutionists” are startled and realise they may be the ones that cannot explain the bulk of the data

What does this have to do with evolutionary biology? Perhaps we should start calling these creationists “priests”. That would be more accurate a description than calling a geologist an evolutionist.

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Catastrophic plate tectonics: in the laboratory (some rock type, unidentified) deforms and weakens as the rate of plate movement increases: the weakened rock sinks into the earth’s interior: the material sinks to the bottom of the mantle, about 2000km down, very quickly

Was that research published in a peer-reviewed journal? How did they fit a tectonic plate and a mantle in their laboratory?

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Continents moved at a few miles per hour during the flood to get to their current location: this was caused by oceanic floor falling to the bottom of the mantle which stirred up bigger convection currents; rocks are cooled at mid oceanic ridges at different rates because there is different water flow around them and are left with a different magnetic orientation because the Earth’s magnetic field reversed every few days during the flood. The mantle is lumpy and some have suggested that cold slabs of oceanic crust may be lying in the mantle

Wrong: the mantle is homogeneous and the temperatures in the mantle melt the rock, although at the larger pressure lower down the rock behaves like an extremely viscous liquid, sort of like plasticine but very hot.
Magnetic data from mid oceanic ridges shows slow steady movement of plates. Even if the “slabs falling” idea was plausible, which it isn’t, how much oceanic crust are we talking about here? The mantle is relatively huge compared to the volume of the crust. Subduction zones involve the melting of the rock as it enters the mantle so it would never make it as a solid lump to the outer core anyway. One bozo is suggesting that the Earth’s magnetic field was reversing every few days during this alleged flood. Where is the dating evidence of the rocks that were changing like this? From where comes the energy to increase the movement in the inner core required for this rapid oscillation? These people are suggesting a cooling of the outer core, not a manipulation of the inner core which is the magnet causing the Earth’s field. What is the proposed date of this supposed flood? None of that data is presented. That is because it flatly contradicts their religious fantasy sci-fi story.

What hypocrites these icr morons are. Was their objective to find out the facts of history no matter what they would turn out to be? No. They selected some data that did not contradict their religious mythology and ignored that which did.

The rant at the end tells everything. The standard scientific models violate their religious dogmas, so it must be wrong. That is just dishonest. Doesn’t one of the commandments have something to say about lying?

Stuart

[Ed J]

Hi Stuart,

Fossils Found Through Layers of Sediment

   * Written by: CSE
   * Tags: Fossils & Ancient Man
   * Difficulty: Beginner

Polystrate Fossils

Since the proposal of the idea of uniformity by Charles Lyell in the early 1800s,
geologists have struggled to explain polystrate fossils. A polystrate fossil is a
fossil encased not in a single layer of strata but in multiple layers. Uniformity,
advocating that the “present is the key to the past,” describes each layer
being laid down over extensive periods of time.  The problem with each layer
taking so long to form is that most fossils found in these layers would have
decayed prior to the forming of the next layer.  Some examples that confirm
the idea of rapid fossilization are as follows:

   * Fossil of ichthyosaur, buried and fossilized while giving birth.1
   * Petrified trees are found in scores of places around the world.2
   * Polystrate trees found in France upside down extending through many layers.3

Fossils Found Through Layers of Sediment

Polystrate fossils are found extending through multiple layers of sediment.
Many trees have been found fossilized in a vertical position through layers
of coal, sandstone, and other sediments. Certainly, the trees would have
decayed if millions of years had occurred between the different strata.

Polystrate fossils such as this one are found all over the world.
They run through many rock layers proving the rock layers are
not different ages as the textbooks teach.

Geologists fail to accept that the only reasonable explanation
of polystrate fossils is that the layers formed quickly around plant
and animal life before they had time to decay. Seems to correspond
with the biblical account of the worldwide Flood, doesn’t it?

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?….k&gl=us

[Stu]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 13 2010,05:06)

Hi Stuart, Fossils Found Through Layers of Sediment    * Written by: CSE    * Tags: Fossils & Ancient Man    * Difficulty: Beginner Polystrate Fossils Since the proposal of the idea of uniformity by Charles Lyell in the early 1800s, geologists have struggled to explain polystrate fossils. A polystrate fossil is a fossil encased not in a single layer of strata but in multiple layers. Uniformity, advocating that the “present is the key to the past,” describes each layer being laid down over extensive periods of time.  The problem with each layer taking so long to form is that most fossils found in these layers would have decayed prior to the forming of the next layer.  Some examples that confirm the idea of rapid fossilization are as follows:    * Fossil of ichthyosaur, buried and fossilized while giving birth.1    * Petrified trees are found in scores of places around the world.2    * Polystrate trees found in France upside down extending through many layers.3 Fossils Found Through Layers of Sediment Polystrate fossils are found extending through multiple layers of sediment. Many trees have been found fossilized in a vertical position through layers of coal, sandstone, and other sediments. Certainly, the trees would have decayed if millions of years had occurred between the different strata. Polystrate fossils such as this one are found all over the world. They run through many rock layers proving the rock layers are not different ages as the textbooks teach. Geologists fail to accept that the only reasonable explanation of polystrate fossils is that the layers formed quickly around plant and animal life before they had time to decay. Seems to correspond with the biblical account of the worldwide Flood, doesn’t it? http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?….k&gl=us

So no response to the debunking of the sprinting tectonic plates nonsense then? Of course even you probably secretly realised it was dishonest.

I'm not going to respond to any more of your cut and paste from creationist sites. All this nonsense is conclusively debunked all across the internet anyway. If you can't defend it and have to run off to yet new (but very old) territories of creationist canards then I'm afraid I can't see you as having much integrity.

Although I usually research my facts, what I post here is almost entirely original writing. On the other hand you are cutting and pasting the “work” of a man who is currently in prison for lying.

Stuart

[Ed J]

Hi Stuart,

                        God's signature

יהוה=26 (God's Name YHVH is pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
YHVH=63 (God's Name: יהוה translated into English)
Jesus=74 (God's Son's Name in English is: “Joshua”)
HolySpirit=151 (“Father: The word” in all believers!)
God The Father=117 (Representing GOD: יהוה האלהים)

The remains of “The Ark”(63) of Noah are found at
the 63 hundred feet level in the mountains of Ararat.
THUS PROVING The God (YHVH=63) of “The Bible”(63)!
The Divine(63) Deity(63) of The Bible(63) is YHVH(63)

Enjoy!

[Proclaimer]

Atheist arguments are after the first cause. At that stage it is too late to argue for or against God.

Therefore they have no evidence at all to the cause.

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