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  • #274030
    Ed J
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    Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Jan. 24 2012,08:46)

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 24 2012,03:01)
    Hi WIT,

    You have yet to Prove any part the bible wrong, but you are welcome to keep trying.

    God bless
    Ed J


    You haven't successfully defended the bible against a single charge, but you're welcome to keep saying so.

    (Wow.  Throwing out unsubstantiated claims is even more fun that I thought!  No wonder you keep doing it, Ed.)


    Hi WIT,

    Is that why you push evolution?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #274063
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (princess @ Jan. 24 2012,09:38)
    Hello Edj,

    Your avoiding the matter, faith and works has been an ongoing debate, and will continue. Why?
    Who changed Jesus words about it?

    I have two jobs, one being self empolyed, I work six days a week, and still manage to live in America.

    (1)Where did Jesus change the Sabbath?

    (2)Where did Jesus change the dietary quidelines?

    I know what the feast represent Edj, even though I do not totally agree with yours. Christmas/Chanaukah same book different cover.

    (3)Where did Jesus change on how to pray?

    (4)Where did Jesus say make them work first then feed them?

    (5)Where did Jesus say to be celibate your whole life, due to having a family takes away from your faith?

    (6)Why is it so hard for ones to admit that the teachings of Paul are the foundation of Christianity then Christ's own words. I really don't understand, I mean is there a well it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, oh no it is a goose theory out there somewhere I haven't heard about.


    Hi Princess,

    1) He hasn't.

    2) He hasn't.

    3) John 4:21-25.

    4) The Apostle Paul (Shaool) is referring to those not concerned for others.

    5) Huh?

    6) They both match.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #274064
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (princess @ Jan. 24 2012,09:49)

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 24 2012,08:01)

    Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Jan. 24 2012,02:56)
    we who are former believers can, and will, show you all the places in your book that simply don't add up.


    Hi WIT,

    You have yet to Prove any part the bible wrong, but you are welcome to keep trying.

    God bless
    Ed J


    Would added words or passages be consider the bible being wrong?


    Hi Princess,

    We know that 1John 5:7 was added to the 'Textus Receptus'.
    Are you suggesting that since 1John 5:7 was verified as being added,
    because of the many copies of Greek texts, that makes the rest of it unreliable?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #274078
    princess
    Participant

    Edj,

    Are you one that believes that when Jesus ascended to heaven everything that he taught metaphorically changed?

    Read up on the self proclaimed apostle Paul, one of his speeches he tells others to be like him and not marry, due to it takes away from one's faith, due to they have other things on their mind like taking care of their family.

    You say they both match, is that a reference to the duck and goose or Paul and Jesus?

    #274082
    TimothyVI
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 24 2012,07:52)

    Quote (TimothyVI @ Jan. 23 2012,23:48)
    Hi Ed,

    It is not a myth.
    Biologists have witnessed species changing to new species within the closed-system model of islands. Why would any rational person want to deny what can be easily observed in this day and age.

    It is a shame that your belief system forces you to remain in the dark ages in regards to science.

    Tim


    Hi Tim,

    Where is your proof?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Hi Ed,

    You have been indoctrinated to think that it is virtuous to only believe in what can not be proven.
    Why would I want to confuse you with proof?

    Tim

    #274083
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (princess @ Jan. 24 2012,21:21)
    Edj,

    Are you one that believes that when Jesus ascended to heaven everything that he taught metaphorically changed?

    Read up on the self proclaimed apostle Paul, one of his speeches he tells others to be like him and not marry, due to it takes away from one's faith, due to they have other things on their mind like taking care of their family.

    You say they both match, is that a reference to the duck and goose or Paul and Jesus?


    Hi Princess,

    The Apostle Paul (Shaool) said it would be better not to marry,
    he didn't tell them not to marry. Jesus was not married either.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #274084
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (TimothyVI @ Jan. 24 2012,21:55)

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 24 2012,07:52)

    Quote (TimothyVI @ Jan. 23 2012,23:48)
    Hi Ed,

    It is not a myth.
    Biologists have witnessed species changing to new species within the closed-system model of islands. Why would any rational person want to deny what can be easily observed in this day and age.

    It is a shame that your belief system forces you to remain in the dark ages in regards to science.

    Tim


    Hi Tim,

    Where is your proof?

    God bless
    Ed J


    Hi Ed,

    You have been indoctrinated to think that it is virtuous to only believe in what can not be proven.
    Why would I want to confuse you with proof?

    Tim


    Hi Tim,

    If you say there is proof, then produce it.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #274128
    princess
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 24 2012,22:06)

    Quote (princess @ Jan. 24 2012,21:21)
    Edj,

    Are you one that believes that when Jesus ascended to heaven everything that he taught metaphorically changed?

    Read up on the self proclaimed apostle Paul, one of his speeches he tells others to be like him and not marry, due to it takes away from one's faith, due to they have other things on their mind like taking care of their family.

    You say they both match, is that a reference to the duck and goose or Paul and Jesus?


    Hi Princess,

    The Apostle Paul (Shaool) said it would be better not to marry,
    he didn't tell them not to marry. Jesus was not married either.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Hello Edj,

    Since you insist on dumming down the conversation, let's continue:

    So Paul’s; telling everyone that it is good not to marry, however, if you’re sexual desires overwhelm you then get married so you do not commit fornication.
    Cor 7/1-9

    I think there is something in 1 Tim that says a demonic spirit will teach not to marry……..double check it Edj, just to be sure.

    Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. Heb 13:4

    But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.
    1 Cor 7:28

    Can you show me a passage or verse that tells me Jesus was not married, or is it priori.

    #274131
    terraricca
    Participant

    princess

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    Can you show me a passage or verse that tells me Jesus was not married, or is it priori.

    :D :D :D

    this is unusual request, is it not the other way around ?? that all publishing goes ahead to proclaim a near future marriage ???

    :D :D :D

    funny

    #274211
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2012,08:43)
    no Gandhi ad it right ,you have it wrong,but you can chose to have it wrong don't get me wrong,as a unbeliever you do have the right to commit suicide,


    Huh? What does that have to do with it? Do you mean that in some fantasy religious sense? Which “death” are we talking about here? There are so many different kinds of death in Judeo-christian mythology it is difficult to keep up.

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    you see being a Christian is nothing like you can think or understand ,


    More special pleading. You realise that special pleading is a logical fallacy, a statement that philosophy considers cannot be used as a valid argument, don’t you.

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    see science sits on chairs and wait to see what 's next ,because they do not know ,they mostly do not understand anything ,this is why they always call it a finding because that s what it is a finding not a calculated understanding ,no a finding and most are by accident,


    Fewer are by accident these days, but science does realise more and more the scale of its ignorance. That is ironically a fact it has discovered not by accident.

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    and after they start to understand what really happen ,they start to see that they only have a small part of what they need to know,and so on and on like a blind man with a white cane ,


    No, like a seeing man with a guidebook that has pages missing.

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    NOT SO WITH THE MAN OF GOD, HE KNOWS WERE HE GO'S,


    NO NEED TO SHOUT. You can live in the delusion of thinking you know, but you can’t even answer my simple question.

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    GANDHI DID MORE THEN ANY SCIENTIST DID FOR MANKIND,


    I’m not dissing Gandhi. His influence is widespread, and all I did was disagree with him that the concept of a christ was a lovable one. However, since you are making it into a fight between Gandhi and science, which are not comparable situations anyway,Gandhi did not eradicate smallpox, which on its own was a terror that killed more than the number of lives saved that could be attributed to the philosophy of Gandhi. In this I recognise Edward Jenner, discoverer of the principle of vaccination and saver of countless millions.

    Stuart

    #274215
    terraricca
    Participant

    stu

    :D :D :D :)

    well answered and will get back to you later ,

    Pierre

    #274250
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (princess @ Jan. 25 2012,07:27)

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 24 2012,22:06)

    Quote (princess @ Jan. 24 2012,21:21)
    Edj,

    Are you one that believes that when Jesus ascended to heaven everything that he taught metaphorically changed?

    Read up on the self proclaimed apostle Paul, one of his speeches he tells others to be like him and not marry, due to it takes away from one's faith, due to they have other things on their mind like taking care of their family.

    You say they both match, is that a reference to the duck and goose or Paul and Jesus?


    Hi Princess,

    The Apostle Paul (Shaool) said it would be better not to marry,
    he didn't tell them not to marry. Jesus was not married either.

    God bless
    Ed J


    Hello Edj,

    Since you insist on dumming down the conversation, let's continue:

    So Paul’s; telling everyone that it is good not to marry, however, if you’re sexual desires overwhelm you then get married so you do not commit fornication.
    Cor 7/1-9

    I think there is something in 1 Tim that says a demonic spirit will teach not to marry……..double check it Edj, just to be sure.

    Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. Heb 13:4

    But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.
    1 Cor 7:28

    Can you show me a passage or verse that tells me Jesus was not married, or is it priori.


    Hi Princess,

    In a debate, you don't prove a negative.
    That is like saying: can you show me where
    The Apostle Paul (Shaool) did not talk to Pilate?

    Can you prove where in the bible it says
    that Jesus did marry any physical wife?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #274371
    princess
    Participant

    Hello Edj,

    The rules of your game: for reference use the catholic cannonized bible. Skeptics, use all the knowledge that one can attain to find the truth.

    Log 55: “The Sophia whom they call barren is the mother of the angels. And the consort of (Christ is) Mary Magdalene. (The Lord loved Mary) more than (all) the disciples, and kissed her on her (mouth) often. The others too ….they said to him, `Why do you love her more than all of us?' The Saviour answered and said to them, `Why do I not love you like her?'*” (The Gospel of Philip)
    Peter as saying, “We know that the Saviour loved you more than other women.” (referring to Mary Magdalene) And he quotes Levi as saying later: “He loved her more than us.”

    Under Talmudic law, a man couldn't be considered righteous–in fact, couldn't even be considered a complete man–if he didn't marry and have children.

    Makes no matter to me if he was or wasn't, I do not see how it would change what he taught.

    #274372
    princess
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 25 2012,08:25)
    princess

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    Can you show me a passage or verse that tells me Jesus was not married, or is it priori.

    :D :D :D

    this is unusual request, is it not the other way around ?? that all publishing goes ahead to proclaim a near future marriage ???

    :D :D :D

    funny


    So T, you are preparing yourself as a bride so your God can give you away to his son for marriage.

    We all have some dysfunctions in our families, it is not uncommon.

    #274378
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (princess @ Jan. 26 2012,16:51)

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 25 2012,08:25)
    princess

    Quote
    Can you show me a passage or verse that tells me Jesus was not married, or is it priori.

    :D :D :D

    this is unusual request, is it not the other way around ?? that all publishing goes ahead to proclaim a near future marriage ???

    :D :D :D

    funny


    So T, you are preparing yourself as a bride so your God can give you away to his son for marriage.

    We all have some dysfunctions in our families, it is not uncommon.


    princess

    No ,I think that it takes more than I can do to be a bride for Christ,

    If i can be one of the care takers in a corner some were it would be ok with me ,as long that I am in his kingdom thats all

    Pierre

    #274379
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (princess @ Jan. 26 2012,09:47)
    Hello Edj,

    The rules of your game: for reference use the catholic cannonized bible. Skeptics, use all the knowledge that one can attain to find the truth.

    Log 55: “The Sophia whom they call barren is the mother of the angels. And the consort of (Christ is) Mary Magdalene. (The Lord loved Mary) more than (all) the disciples, and kissed her on her (mouth) often. The others too ….they said to him, `Why do you love her more than all of us?' The Saviour answered and said to them, `Why do I not love you like her?'*” (The Gospel of Philip)
    Peter as saying, “We know that the Saviour loved you more than other women.” (referring to Mary Magdalene) And he quotes Levi as saying later: “He loved her more than us.”

    Under Talmudic law, a man couldn't be considered righteous–in fact, couldn't even be considered a complete man–if he didn't marry and have children.

    Makes no matter to me if he was or wasn't, I do not see how it would change what he taught.


    Hi Princess,

    Canon means the measuring line of truth.
    What you posted is merely hearsay,
    not permissible in a court of law.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #274418
    terraricca
    Participant

    stu

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    Which “death” are we talking about here? There are so many different kinds of death in Judeo-christian mythology it is difficult to keep up.

    there are tree sorts of dead in scriptures ;1) the dead dead ;2) the walking dead those who live a useless live .3) the dead that are alive ,those are the ones that knows Gods and his son.

    Pierre

    #274421
    terraricca
    Participant

    stu

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    More special pleading. You realise that special pleading is a logical fallacy, a statement that philosophy considers cannot be used as a valid argument, don’t you.

    this comment of yours can be said about most everything we can think of ,even and specially science ,there argument is in constant progress and so devaluate the previous ,all books in history and sciences have to be rewritten ,

    Pierre

    #274422
    terraricca
    Participant

    stu

    Quote
    Quote
    NOT SO WITH THE MAN OF GOD, HE KNOWS WERE HE GO'S,

    NO NEED TO SHOUT. You can live in the delusion of thinking you know, but you can’t even answer my simple question.

    this we will see at the end ;either if men as succeeded to save the planet or God as intervene and got rid of the nuts who run this planet.

    Pierre

    #274423
    terraricca
    Participant

    stu

    Quote
    GANDHI DID MORE THEN ANY SCIENTIST DID FOR MANKIND,

    I’m not dissing Gandhi. His influence is widespread, and all I did was disagree with him that the concept of a christ was a lovable one. However, since you are making it into a fight between Gandhi and science, which are not comparable situations anyway,Gandhi did not eradicate smallpox, which on its own was a terror that killed more than the number of lives saved that could be attributed to the philosophy of Gandhi. In this I recognise Edward Jenner, discoverer of the principle of vaccination and saver of countless millions.

    Stuart

    it is the industrial revolution that as made all thos deceises come forward and the way people lives ,

    Pierre

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