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Quote (Stu @ May 01 2012,19:11) Quote (Ed J @ May 01 2012,09:09) The scribes of the king gave YHVH this credit.
So how do we know when the bible is god talking, and when it is scribes spinning?Stuart
Hi Stuart,Prophets are God's spokesman.
Chronicles are the Kings spin.
The kings Chronicles can be
accurate mind you, Stuart.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ May 01 2012,22:23) Quote (princess @ May 01 2012,11:39) Quote (Wakeup @ April 30 2012,13:37) Quote (princess @ April 30 2012,11:07) Quote (Wakeup @ April 29 2012,13:16) Quote (Stu @ April 29 2012,12:21) Quote (Wakeup @ April 28 2012,22:47) You seem to be bitter to wards God; and I am confused; why are you angry at someone that you don't believe exists?
Some can become angry at a fantasy concept. But the question really is why are you, one who actually believes in it, not angry at the genocidal and obviously unjust god of the Jewish bible, the one that demands your love on pain of punishment?Stuart
Stu.You see God as being unjust,only because you dont know him.
I know him and understand why he does things; and its all for our good.Just as a parent punishing his naughty child with: one week no tv; looks and feels unfair,but it is all for the good.
The child can not see that.So how can I get angry with God?He does it because he loves his chosen ones; and for their sake, evil will be destroyed.
wakeup.
Seriously
??
Hi Princess.Are you a fallen angel?
wakeup.
I don't understand what you are asking WU, could you expand your statement a bit more, so we can continue on.Thanks
Princess.You are a follower of Christ before,untill you fell away.
Is that correct?But why?wakeup.
WU,I am sure you are not the only one to wonder such. Perhaps such things as calling another a fool or a thing, is one of the reasons why.
By seeing others use God to magnify their ego's and own wants. Most of all, I cannot adhere to the rules of the game.
and I never did prefer Paul.More than anything, it came to the blood, which I could not accept, in all I never did. Something just never sat right with me in that respect.
All in all I haven't changed that much, when I read through the Hebrew text, I took on the dietary and sabbath and dress guidelines, the tassel were a bit much I never did go with them. However, to this day I do not mix fabrics. I take one day off a week and spend no money do no work nor ask another to do. I cannot deny my son enjoys sabbath also.
and yes, I don't even kill flies, I just tell them to go outside where they belong and open the door or window for them. My love of nature has not changed, nor looking up in the sky at night, I am more in tune with myself then I ever have been in my life.I don't feel that I am not worthy of life anymore, and I should wish and hope for someone to come and save me from this earth. We are together for a reason, whatever it may be and as much as some tend to hate I tend to love.
I did not come away from reading passages hating God, even though Stuart disagrees I find some passages truth, and truth can be found anywhere at anytime, and should not be limited to just one book, something so great cannot be limited, but there are those who want to limit what the mind and heart can seek.
I do not deny there is a God, for God is in the thoughts of some, and deny that thoughts are not is a matter that becomes null and void. It is the thought process and how one carries them out in the world is what brings all the animosity in.
I cannot deny Stuart is dear to me, that is a given. However so is Tim and I still read Nick's post's, strange as it may seem.
Being it as it may, does not change the fact that even though one does not hold the same as you is no reason for another to sit upon their soap box and look down upon them as a thing. Even so, it will continue due to when one finds that another is insulting their god/gods they take it personal, and let their emotions rule over human decency.
That's just my take on the matter, as always each has their own.
Quote (Stu @ April 30 2012,20:10) Maybe when the self-righteous are whizzing upwards everything else looks like it is falling. Why does it matter what kind of angel?
…he said, scoring a truckload of Princess Points.
Stuart
Be careful Stuart, you are showing emotion towards another…..it will be the talk of the board.Thank you though, you know how much I would enjoy a set of wings.
princess,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote I am sure you are not the only one to wonder such. Perhaps such things as calling another a fool or a thing, is one of the reasons why. What? As opposed to one calling a whole group of people as morons & cretins etc etc etc? WU merely made an educated observation and commented relevantly within the scope of the debate matter. Weren't you paying attention? Or did it just go over your head?
Quote By seeing others use God to magnify their ego's and own wants.
What? As opposed to one using evolutionary “science” to magnify their ego's and own wants? Or…one who plays it safe and adopts every belief, mashes them together and claims enlightenment above all others? Tsk tsk.Wonder why you didn't see that one coming?
Quote I cannot deny Stuart is dear to me, that is a given. Ahh..of course…
Quote Most of all, I cannot adhere to the rules of the game and I never did prefer Paul. You first have to understand the rules to know the game.
Quote More than anything, it came to the blood, which I could not accept, in all I never did. Something just never sat right with me in that respect. This could mean three things. But who's counting?
Quote All in all I haven't changed that much, Good to see your broad understanding in the various religions really was time well spent then…otherwise it would have been a waste of time.
Quote when I read through the Hebrew text, Here we go…let us see what you gleaned…
Quote I took on the dietary and sabbath and dress guidelines, I hate to break it to you, these laws were for the Hebrews ONLY….not to mention it is the OLD COVENANT with all it's laws which were very very strict for a very definitive reason, a covenant that was annulled at Christ's crucifixion!! Strike 1 for not understanding the rules of the game.
Quote the tassel were a bit much I never did go with them. Again, for the Hebrews only, not to mention Old Testament, Strike two for not understanding the rules of the game.
Quote However, to this day I do not mix fabrics. Strike three and….there's more…
Quote I take one day off a week and spend no money do no work nor ask another to do. I cannot deny my son enjoys sabbath also. Anybody home? What you are mocking is actually making a mockery out of you, but, nevertheless, carry on…
Quote and yes, I don't even kill flies, I just tell them to go outside where they belong and open the door or window for them. Flies don't understand human speech i'm afraid…Strike…um, strike…
Quote My love of nature has not changed, Who is this “nature” you love?
Quote nor looking up in the sky at night, Yes, i enjoy that too.
Quote I am more in tune with myself then I ever have been in my life. Ah, the simple things…but just one point regarding your statement above…remember this:
Quote All in all I haven't changed that much, Chuckle…mmm, i know, you're a paradox aren't you?
Quote I don't feel that I am not worthy of life anymore, Seriously, i am glad.
Quote and I should wish and hope for someone to come and save me from this earth. Even if i were an athiest, i would never hold it against anybody who wanted that..i mean seriously?
Quote We are together for a reason, whatever it may be and as much as some tend to hate I tend to love. “Tend” is the key. Tend is not a “concrete” trait. Since you know nothing of WU at all, meaning your presuming he is hateful is actually a hateful presumption (if that was your meaning?), who's to say WU isn't the most loving man you never met? I mean, you declare you are loving, yet you too are being sarcastic etc…back to the paradox maybe?
Quote I did not come away from reading passages hating God, even though Stuart disagree
s I find some passages truth, and truth can be found anywhere at anytime, and should not be limited to just one book, something so great cannot be limited, but there are those who want to limit what the mind and heart can seek.This is a contradiction Princess. Truth does not reside in contradictions. All of the worlds religions various books contradict each other in their fundamental tenets. Again: Truth does not reside in contradictions. Think about it.
Quote I do not deny there is a God, Then which one is he/she/it? “They” can't be a little of every religion! For they all contradict each other in their fundamental core tenets. That would make he/she/it schizophrenic at the least, or in very bad taste!
Quote for God is in the thoughts of some, and deny that thoughts are not is a matter that becomes null and void. It is the thought process and how one carries them out in the world is what brings all the animosity in. ? Please explain again a little more clearer your first statement i highlighted?
I can agree on the second.Quote I cannot deny Stuart is dear to me, that is a given. However so is Tim and I still read Nick's post's, strange as it may seem. Yesss…..
Quote Being it as it may, does not change the fact that even though one does not hold the same as you is no reason for another to sit upon their soap box and look down upon them as a thing. Are you for real? Have you been reading the debates from WU's first appearing on this site? Reading with the same glasses of which you read the bible obviously? WU was very polite to Stu & co when first posting his threads in the face of demeaning sarcasm and insults from THEM whom you defend so blindly and unjustly!!
Quote I cannot deny Stuart is dear to me, that is a given. However so is Tim and I still read Nick's post's, strange as it may seem. Say no more. Unbiased is another game who's rules you don't play by i see.
Quote Even so, it will continue due to when one finds that another is insulting their god/gods they take it personal, and let their emotions rule over human decency. Blinkers on? Are such vehement attacks defending the god of evolution any different? Oh, of course not…that concept would involve unbiased comparative rules now wouldn't it, and we all know how you feel about rules.
Quote That's just my take on the matter, as always each has their own. Hypocritical. You defend one who has mocked and belittled not only WU, but billions of Christians he has thrown into the same basket, your gaze concentrating on WU's meek “insults” (which were relative to argumentative points & not insults at all) in comparison to the non debate relative personal ones afforded him in other posts by Stu & co, not only that, raising your aim and targeting your attacks beyond WU to include God of whom you know very little, if anything about, displaying bias from your personal fondness thus tainting your desired hope to seem neutral in your last hypocritical statement:
Quote That's just my take on the matter, as always each has their own. They surely do.
Quote (Devolution @ May 02 2012,17:56) What? As opposed to one calling a whole group of people as morons & cretins etc etc etc?
You really are lazy, aren't you. Do try to take some care with the differences between the moron creationists and the lying cretin creationists. The former are ignorant, they just copy and paste creationist political propaganda without comprehension, and it is the latter who are the ones who know they are telling lies as they produce the propaganda.Stuart
Quote What? As opposed to one calling a whole group of people as morons & cretins etc etc etc? WU merely made an educated observation and commented relevantly within the scope of the debate matter. Weren't you paying attention? Or did it just go over your head? Devol, your missing the point. Turn the other cheek, love one another ect. ect…do you not practice what you preach or do you pick and choose which God you are going to listen to for a specific subject, who is not paying attention.
Quote What? As opposed to one using evolutionary “science” to magnify their ego's and own wants? Or…one who plays it safe and adopts every belief, mashes them together and claims enlightenment above all others? Tsk tsk. Who are you to judge what another chooses to believe. This is a forum yes, where each can write down their own is it not.
Quote You first have to understand the rules to know the game.
What rule book do you play by, by what I have read so far you play by the rules of Paul, now it is established, the game can continue on.Quote This could mean three things. But who's counting?
Apparently you.Quote Good to see your broad understanding in the various religions really was time well spent then…otherwise it would have been a waste of time.
I understand the concept, it can be applied in many areas.Quote I hate to break it to you, these laws were for the Hebrews ONLY….not to mention it is the OLD COVENANT with all it's laws which were very very strict for a very definitive reason, a covenant that was annulled at Christ's crucifixion!! Strike 1 for not understanding the rules of the game.
I am most assured that you hate, I am not going to debate law versus grace with you, been there done that. I am not the one who thinks that the blood of either a god or human will save me from eternal punishment, you scare to easily. However, dracula was founded on the thought that if you bathe in blood you will live forever.Quote Anybody home? What you are mocking is actually making a mockery out of you, but, nevertheless, carry on…
Pride is a hard thing to overcome.Quote Flies don't understand human speech i'm afraid…Strike…um, strike…
Oh, so let's get this right, you do not have domain over animals. They control you. I have to chuckle a bit, no wonder Stuart annoys you so much. All said in love Stuart.Quote “Tend” is the key. Tend is not a “concrete” trait. Since you know nothing of WU at all, meaning your presuming he is hateful is actually a hateful presumption (if that was your meaning?), who's to say WU isn't the most loving man you never met? I mean, you declare you are loving, yet you too are being sarcastic etc…back to the paradox maybe?
How long have you been speaking with Stuart, what a few weeks maybe and you know him so well. At times Devol you bring on the notion that you and WU are one in the same, however it could just be me being a paradox.Quote This is a contradiction Princess. Truth does not reside in contradictions. All of the worlds religions various books contradict each other in their fundamental tenets. Again: Truth does not reside in contradictions. Think about it.
No they don't Devol, all have a common thread. Once again you are missing the point, you contain truth to one book, I do not. You are placing a God to each religion, I am not. You are using names or going to the physical aspects of religion. What is the difference between the core fundementals of christianity to other religions, names?Quote Say no more. Unbiased is another game who's rules you don't play by i see. What Stuart has said to you maybe once or twice, is enough for you to boo hoo. Seriously. What Stuart has said has been doubled to me maybe at time tripled, you still don't see it do you. You are using God to destroy humanity, you do not build.
Quote Blinkers on? Are such vehement attacks defending the god of evolution any different? Oh, of course not…that concept would involve unbiased comparative rules now wouldn't it, and we all know how you feel about rules.
Blinkers or do you mean blinders. What did you expect from Stuart, tea and cookies. He plays by the rules better then you do.Quote Hypocritical. You defend one who has mocked and belittled not only WU, but billions of Christians he has thrown into the same basket, your gaze concentrating on WU's meek “insults” (which were relative to argumentative points & not insults at all) in comparison to the non debate relative personal ones afforded him in other posts by Stu & co, not only that, raising your aim and targeting your attacks beyond WU to include God of whom you know very little, if anything about, displaying bias from your personal fondness thus tainting your desired hope to seem neutral in your last hypocritical statement:
Like I said before, the paradox that I am. I am not attacking anyone, you are taking as an attack. I have a question, you accuse me displaying bias to Stuart hence hypocritical, but on the same note you defend WU with the same tone. Perhaps that is another swing and miss of some sort.Quote (Ed J @ May 02 2012,04:18) Quote (Stu @ May 01 2012,19:11) Quote (Ed J @ May 01 2012,09:09) The scribes of the king gave YHVH this credit.
So how do we know when the bible is god talking, and when it is scribes spinning?Stuart
Hi Stuart,Prophets are God's spokesman.
Chronicles are the Kings spin.
The kings Chronicles can be
accurate mind you, Stuart.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
So how do we know when the bible is god talking, and when it is scribes spinning?Stuart
A person that is only based on chemicals,has no soul and therefore no pirit.( their own words: for the word spirit is not in their vocabulary).THey should not feel hurt,for hurt is invisible,love is invisible,respect,longing,hope,worshipping,enjoying.
So how can anybody expect IT; to understand things of the spirit? The holy bible is a book about the spirit,therefore it is beyond their understanding.
For they only know the material world and nothing beyond that; They live in a very small world,the material only.A smart computer is only matter,THERE IS NO SPIRIT WITHIN A COMPUTER,and no SOUL either.
And a computer is an IT; not a he or she,NO MATTER HOW SMART.If a person does not believe in a creator; that person can not call himself ME,OR I.THere are no you,s and me,s.
They are just chemicals, that so happens, by chance evolve into a living thing,they have not produce a law to live by,so they live by a law that the creator has put forth; and at the same time rejecting that same creator.They can not produce the history of their roots.
Who is great great great grand (?) what is his name?
The bible tells us our roots clearly; ADAM IS HIS NAME,and EVE is her name.A true and honest atheist must not believe in good or bad;for that is only admitting that there is a God.
For God only is good,and his true followers,are good.
Satan is bad; and all his followers are bad.What does an atheist follow? They depend on the chemicals performing inside them,some times it just flares up and sometimes it does not.Only the chemicals are to blame,they totally depens on it in their lives.
So all you atheist,be honest and only follow the laws of the chemicals inside you,and dont start borrowing Gods laws.
I hope those chemicals dont start to flare up in (you?).And if it does,then start taking some more chemicals to keep it down.wakeup.
Quote (princess @ May 02 2012,23:40) Quote What? As opposed to one calling a whole group of people as morons & cretins etc etc etc? WU merely made an educated observation and commented relevantly within the scope of the debate matter. Weren't you paying attention? Or did it just go over your head? Devol, your missing the point. Turn the other cheek, love one another ect. ect…do you not practice what you preach or do you pick and choose which God you are going to listen to for a specific subject, who is not paying attention.
Quote What? As opposed to one using evolutionary “science” to magnify their ego's and own wants? Or…one who plays it safe and adopts every belief, mashes them together and claims enlightenment above all others? Tsk tsk. Who are you to judge what another chooses to believe. This is a forum yes, where each can write down their own is it not.
Quote You first have to understand the rules to know the game.
What rule book do you play by, by what I have read so far you play by the rules of Paul, now it is established, the game can continue on.Quote This could mean three things. But who's counting?
Apparently you.Quote Good to see your broad understanding in the various religions really was time well spent then…otherwise it would have been a waste of time.
I understand the concept, it can be applied in many areas.Quote I hate to break it to you, these laws were for the Hebrews ONLY….not to mention it is the OLD COVENANT with all it's laws which were very very strict for a very definitive reason, a covenant that was annulled at Christ's crucifixion!! Strike 1 for not understanding the rules of the game.
I am most assured that you hate, I am not going to debate law versus grace with you, been there done that. I am not the one who thinks that the blood of either a god or human will save me from eternal punishment, you scare to easily. However, dracula was founded on the thought that if you bathe in blood you will live forever.Quote Anybody home? What you are mocking is actually making a mockery out of you, but, nevertheless, carry on…
Pride is a hard thing to overcome.Quote Flies don't understand human speech i'm afraid…Strike…um, strike…
Oh, so let's get this right, you do not have domain over animals. They control you. I have to chuckle a bit, no wonder Stuart annoys you so much. All said in love Stuart.Quote “Tend” is the key. Tend is not a “concrete” trait. Since you know nothing of WU at all, meaning your presuming he is hateful is actually a hateful presumption (if that was your meaning?), who's to say WU isn't the most loving man you never met? I mean, you declare you are loving, yet you too are being sarcastic etc…back to the paradox maybe?
How long have you been speaking with Stuart, what a few weeks maybe and you know him so well. At times Devol you bring on the notion that you and WU are one in the same, however it could just be me being a paradox.Quote This is a contradiction Princess. Truth does not reside in contradictions. All of the worlds religions various books contradict each other in their fundamental tenets. Again: Truth does not reside in contradictions. Think about it.
No they don't Devol, all have a common thread. Once again you are missing the point, you contain truth to one book, I do not. You are placing a God to each religion, I am not. You are using names or going to the physical aspects of religion. What is the difference between the core fundementals of christianity to other religions, names?Quote Say no more. Unbiased is another game who's rules you don't play by i see. What Stuart has said to you maybe once or twice, is enough for you to boo hoo. Seriously. What Stuart has said has been doubled to me maybe at time tripled, you still don't see it do you. You are using God to destroy humanity, you do not build.
Quote Blinkers on? Are such vehement attacks defending the god of evolution any different? Oh, of course not…that concept would involve unbiased comparative rules now wouldn't it, and we all know how you feel about rules.
Blinkers or do you mean blinders. What did you expect from Stuart, tea and cookies. He plays by the rules better then you do.Quote Hypocritical. You defend one who has mocked and belittled not only WU, but billions of Christians he has thrown into the same basket, your gaze concentrating on WU's meek “insults” (which were relative to argumentative points & not insults at all) in comparison to the non debate relative personal ones afforded him in other posts by Stu & co, not only that, raising your aim and targeting your attacks beyond WU to include God of whom you know very little, if anything about, displaying bias from your personal fondness thus tainting your desired hope to seem neutral in your last hypocritical statement:
Like I said before, the paradox that I am. I am not attacking anyone, you are taking as an attack. I have a question, you accuse me displaying bias to Stuart hence hypocritical, but on the same note you defend WU with the same tone. P
erhaps that is another swing and miss of some sort.
Sigh!Quote Devol, your missing the point. Turn the other cheek, love one another ect. ect…do you not practice what you preach or do you pick and choose which God you are going to listen to for a specific subject, who is not paying attention. On the contrary, in case you haven't noticed, this site is for debating, nice try though…If i turned the other cheek, it wouldn't be debating now would it? Ah…see your contradiction? If you knew the things i have turned the other cheek to, even recently so, to my extreme effort, an ongoing effort, you'd see the unfounded assumption within your judgment and inaccurate assessment. Again, this is a debating forum, hence the title “Debates” in the main menu. I could rub that in and say, “who's missing the point now?”, but i won't
Quote Who are you to judge what another chooses to believe. This is a forum yes, where each can write down their own is it not. This is in response to something i pointed out…concerning something you said to another person in another post as to your superior (implied) understanding through your knowledge and self editing of various belief systems (subject to your rules, which by the way, you can not insert your rules into another's already set rules whilst taking their ideas and making them your own as though you were original/enlightened in some way above those you took it from, all the while stealing said concepts from others and claiming superior understanding on that which you never knew before, until, adopting those things, which, another other than you, first spoke!! that's a contradiction)…so my point was quite valid, and yes, a very credible judgment considering i understand the differences of various beliefs which are fundamentally opposed and can not be merged together credibly as you seem to think they can. They can not. Hence a valid judgment based on understanding.
Quote What rule book do you play by, by what I have read so far you play by the rules of Paul, now it is established, the game can continue on. But this is no game, nevertheless thank you. Paul was straight down the line and unafraid of telling it how it was regardless of self…a honorable trait! If this is offensive to you, so be it.
Quote This could mean three things. But who's counting?
Apparently you.Well pointed out…Lol.
Quote I understand the concept, it can be applied in many areas. But not religiously. Your word is yours…it identifies you, my word is mine…it identifies me…Gods word is His…it identifies Him, we may speak similarities on certain subjects but it still doesn't make my word yours, nor yours mine, nor either of our words Gods. Here is the truth of the matter. So again, you are mistaken on the concept of all roads lead to Rome (religiously speaking), it is a contradiction.
Quote I am most assured that you hate, Not hate, frustrated is more apt. I don't hate you or anybody…frustrated by you maybe, definitely not hating you my lady.
Quote I am not going to debate law versus grace with you, been there done that. Yet you still quoted from a position of error! Maybe you were with a church? It's not my fault church goers can't see the hypocrisy and scripture abuse they are led into…yet/and, every deception involves a level of complicity from the deceived. The question is WHY did you let them seduce you?
Quote I am not the one who thinks that the blood of either a god or human will save me from eternal punishment, you scare to easily. To lay ones life down for others is a huge sacrifice worthy of acknowledgement. God accepts this act of love and thereby will honor the sacrifice and deem it worthy.
Jesus was righteous in all His ways, even His most hated enemies of the day, of whom He was constantly observed and criticized, could not fault Him credibly even before Pilate…
not even psychologists found fault in His personality from His recorded sayings and responses and actions under all manner of circumstances which by their very nature of severity levels, should have at least exposed even a tiny hint of hypocrisy…especially under pain of death…
there was NONE to be found…not to forget…this in no way could be planned/preempted by the writers of these accounts, for psychology and their personality assessments were not even around to be catered for if one were being deceptive and wrote with that knowledge of coming scrutiny in mind!
Quote However, dracula was founded on the thought that if you bathe in blood you will live forever. To compare Jesus with Dracula, who's invention was well after Christ, is just demeaning to Christ. You mock one who was so much more than you could ever or will be…this says a lot about your “love”.
Princess,
It is not proud nor hateful to use ones debating methods against them, nor to point out hypocrisies when there is a goodly ulterior motive.
If one is rude and smug, even one who is not like that, even that person has a right to use the same method against the smug one IF the reason is honorable.
I do it in hope in showing those that do it how it feels in the spirit of change…other words, just maybe they will dislike being made to feel the way they are making others feel and change their approach to a more respectable level.
This is my reason…not hate…as you accused.
Cheers.
Quote (princess @ May 02 2012,12:19) Quote (Wakeup @ May 01 2012,22:23) Quote (princess @ May 01 2012,11:39) Quote (Wakeup @ April 30 2012,13:37) Quote (princess @ April 30 2012,11:07) Quote (Wakeup @ April 29 2012,13:16) Quote (Stu @ April 29 2012,12:21) Quote (Wakeup @ April 28 2012,22:47) You seem to be bitter to wards God; and I am confused; why are you angry at someone that you don't believe exists?
Some can become angry at a fantasy concept. But the question really is why are you, one who actually believes in it, not angry at the genocidal and obviously unjust god of the Jewish bible, the one that demands your love on pain of punishment?Stuart
Stu.You see God as being unjust,only because you dont know him.
I know him and understand why he does things; and its all for our good.Just as a parent punishing his naughty child with: one week no tv; looks and feels unfair,but it is all for the good.
The child can not see that.So how can I get angry with God?He does it because he loves his chosen ones; and for their sake, evil will be destroyed.
wakeup.
Seriously??
Hi Princess.Are you a fallen angel?
wakeup.
I don't understand what you are asking WU, could you expand your statement a bit more, so we can continue on.Thanks
Princess.You are a follower of Christ before,untill you fell away.
Is that correct?But why?wakeup.
WU,I am sure you are not the only one to wonder such. Perhaps such things as calling another a fool or a thing, is one of the reasons why.
By seeing others use God to magnify their ego's and own wants. Most of all, I cannot adhere to the rules of the game.
and I never did prefer Paul.More than anything, it came to the blood, which I could not accept, in all I never did. Something just never sat right with me in that respect.
All in all I haven't changed that much, when I read through the Hebrew text, I took on the dietary and sabbath and dress guidelines, the tassel were a bit much I never did go with them. However, to this day I do not mix fabrics. I take one day off a week and spend no money do no work nor ask another to do. I cannot deny my son enjoys sabbath also.
and yes, I don't even kill flies, I just tell them to go outside where they belong and open the door or window for them. My love of nature has not changed, nor looking up in the sky at night, I am more in tune with myself then I ever have been in my life.I don't feel that I am not worthy of life anymore, and I should wish and hope for someone to come and save me from this earth. We are together for a reason, whatever it may be and as much as some tend to hate I tend to love.
I did not come away from reading passages hating God, even though Stuart disagrees I find some passages truth, and truth can be found anywhere at anytime, and should not be limited to just one book, something so great cannot be limited, but there are those who want to limit what the mind and heart can seek.
I do not deny there is a God, for God is in the thoughts of some, and deny that thoughts are not is a matter that becomes null and void. It is the thought process and how one carries them out in the world is what brings all the animosity in.
I cannot deny Stuart is dear to me, that is a given. However so is Tim and I still read Nick's post's, strange as it may seem.
Being it as it may, does not change the fact that even though one does not hold the same as you is no reason for another to sit upon their soap box and look down upon them as a thing. Even so, it will continue due to when one finds that another is insulting their god/gods they take it personal, and let their emotions rule over human decency.
That's just my take on the matter, as always each has their own.
Princess.If we worship God ,we must worship him fully; remember the first commandment,you must love your God with all your heart,with all your soul,and with all your strength.
Remember Abrahm was asked by God to scrifice his son?To test him,and also for us as an example.
He who loves mother or father or brother and sister more than me is not worthy of me.
This make sense,for we can never put God in second place.And the blood thing: God said; the flesh you can eat,but the blood you must give back to God. For the life is in the blood.
And the blood belongs to God.(this is a big sacrifice; and most shy away from it).In the near future,when the mark(number) is made compulsory,buying and selling is done with the mark.
No mark, NO food for the fam. this also is a big sacrifice to make. And many christians will fail,because their house is build on sand.Remember this scripture: He who saves his life will loose it, and he who looses his life for my sake will find life.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 03 2012,01:47) A person that is only based on chemicals,has no soul and therefore no pirit.( their own words: for the word spirit is not in their vocabulary).
The logical fallacy of begging the question. In this case the question that the spirit is a quality that is contingent on the existence of the soul. Also the logical fallacy of special pleading regarding what a soul is.Quote So how can anybody expect IT; to understand things of the spirit? The holy bible is a book about the spirit,therefore it is beyond their understanding. For they only know the material world and nothing beyond that; They live in a very small world,the material only.
Logical fallacy of non-sequitur. Whether or not something is about the spirit, it does not follow that this should affect understanding. Logical fallacy of special pleading. The writer claims knowledge that is unavailable to others.Quote A smart computer is only matter,THERE IS NO SPIRIT WITHIN A COMPUTER,and no SOUL either.
And a computer is an IT; not a he or she,NO MATTER HOW SMART.
The logical fallacy of incomplete comparison.Quote If a person does not believe in a creator; that person can not call himself ME,OR I.THere are no you,s and me,s.
The logical fallacy that comes from drinking too much, whatever that is called.Quote They are just chemicals, that so happens, by chance evolve into a living thing,they have not produce a law to live by,so they live by a law that the creator has put forth; and at the same time rejecting that same creator.
The logical fallacy of kettle logic (that's quite rare!).Quote They can not produce the history of their roots.
Who is great great great grand (?) what is his name?
The bible tells us our roots clearly; ADAM IS HIS NAME,and EVE is her name.
The logical fallacy of wishful thinking.Quote A true and honest atheist must not believe in good or bad;for that is only admitting that there is a God. For God only is good,and his true followers,are good.
The logical fallacy of non-sequitur: the existence of morals is self-evidently independent of the belief in Sky Friends, and the logical fallacy of No True Scotsman.Quote Satan is bad; and all his followers are bad.
The logical fallacy of bald assertion of the existence of “satan” and the badness of it and its followers.Quote What does an atheist follow? They depend on the chemicals performing inside them,some times it just flares up and sometimes it does not.Only the chemicals are to blame,they totally depens on it in their lives.
Logical fallacy of strawman.Quote So all you atheist,be honest and only follow the laws of the chemicals inside you,and dont start borrowing Gods laws. I hope those chemicals dont start to flare up in (you?).And if it does,then start taking some more chemicals to keep it down.
It doesn’t look like it has been atheists who have been taking the chemicals on this occasion.But well done on your superb range of logically false claims.
Stuart
Quote But this is no game, nevertheless thank you.
It is a game Devol when you place your spirit in the hand of a blood God.Quote Paul was straight down the line and unafraid of telling it how it was regardless of self…a honorable trait! If this is offensive to you, so be it.
No, Paul made it harder to be pure in spirit, he like the Pharisee he was prior did not loose his touch with that. The only thing that is offensive D is one will not come forth right and proclaim that they are a Pauline Christian, which is the modern Christian of today.Quote But not religiously. Your word is yours…it identifies you, my word is mine…it identifies me…Gods word is His…it identifies Him, we may speak similarities on certain subjects but it still doesn't make my word yours, nor yours mine, nor either of our words Gods. Here is the truth of the matter. So again, you are mistaken on the concept of all roads lead to Rome (religiously speaking), it is a contradiction.
I have never taken the concept that all roads lead to Rome.Quote Yet you still quoted from a position of error! Maybe you were with a church? It's not my fault church goers can't see the hypocrisy and scripture abuse they are led into…yet/and, every deception involves a level of complicity from the deceived. The question is WHY did you let them seduce you?
Are we speaking about the church or spirit? It is strange that you use the word seduce and church together, due to an incident.Quote To lay ones life down for others is a huge sacrifice worthy of acknowledgement. God accepts this act of love and thereby will honor the sacrifice and deem it worthy.
God is not needed for one to understand such. Why do you play ring around the rosie with the true meaning of christianity, it is a religion based on blood.No offense D, but when you bang on about what christ did, I can refer to what seven other crucified christ's that did the same, what makes your any better, because of a book.
Quote To compare Jesus with Dracula, who's invention was well after Christ, is just demeaning to Christ. You mock one who was so much more than you could ever or will be…this says a lot about your “love”.
No I am not mocking your God I am making comparisons. You take it as mocking due to your love for this God, I understand it is an emotional or loyality attachment you have. As pointed out this is a debate you are going to have such. Since you feel that I am mocking your love for God you feel the need to mock my love for whatever.I must apologize to you, I fell hook line and sinker for it, and started playing tit for tat with you, a quality that I do not like, once again my apologies.
WU
Quote Remember Abrahm was asked by God to scrifice his son?To test him,and also for us as an example. “'Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molech, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD. Lev 18.21
Quote He who loves mother or father or brother and sister more than me is not worthy of me.
This make sense,for we can never put God in second place.If you do, the LORD your God will become very angry with you and will wipe you off the face of the earth, because the LORD your God, who is with you, is a God who does not tolerate rivals. Det 6.15
Quote And the blood thing: God said; the flesh you can eat,but the blood you must give back to God. For the life is in the blood.
And the blood belongs to God.(this is a big sacrifice; and most shy away from it).
Blood God. I am glad to see you are one in a few that actually speak the truth about your God, I thank you for that.Quote In the near future,when the mark(number) is made compulsory,buying and selling is done with the mark.
No mark, NO food for the fam. this also is a big sacrifice to make. And many christians will fail,because their house is build on sand.
I know the verse WU, however without having the bible as a reference, any one with common sense knows to have a store house of some sort.Quote Remember this scripture: He who saves his life will loose it, and he who looses his life for my sake will find life.
The book of John, was one of my favorites.Quote (princess @ May 04 2012,00:07) WU Quote Remember Abrahm was asked by God to scrifice his son?To test him,and also for us as an example. “'Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molech, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD. Lev 18.21
Quote He who loves mother or father or brother and sister more than me is not worthy of me.
This make sense,for we can never put God in second place.If you do, the LORD your God will become very angry with you and will wipe you off the face of the earth, because the LORD your God, who is with you, is a God who does not tolerate rivals. Det 6.15
Quote And the blood thing: God said; the flesh you can eat,but the blood you must give back to God. For the life is in the blood.
And the blood belongs to God.(this is a big sacrifice; and most shy away from it).
Blood God. I am glad to see you are one in a few that actually speak the truth about your God, I thank you for that.Quote In the near future,when the mark(number) is made compulsory,buying and selling is done with the mark.
No mark, NO food for the fam. this also is a big sacrifice to make. And many christians will fail,because their house is build on sand.
I know the verse WU, however without having the bible as a reference, any one with common sense knows to have a store house of some sort.Quote Remember this scripture: He who saves his life will loose it, and he who looses his life for my sake will find life.
The book of John, was one of my favorites.
Do you believe in a creator; or do you believe in many creators?
I believe in one great creator of all,there is none beside him.
I worship him according his will,not by picking and choosing what ever sooths me.I follow his rules,not my own rules.
One must follow him through good times and bad times; this is how faith is displayed,and exercised.The majority of christians gives God lip service; they are not even ready to sacrifice their beloved christmas parties.
The world embraces this event, and what the world loves; is not of God.You need to know the prophesies.
Just for a quick glimps,read rev11:9. (the 2witnesses will be killed by the world).Then they will have parties,to celebrate their death.10. And they that dwell on the earth shall rejoice over them,and make merry and shall send gifts one to an other,because these two prophets tormented them that dwelleth on the earth.
And soon after; the 7th trumpet will sound.( the coming).verse 15.
wakeup.
WU,
Spirit is neither male or female, however your faith carries gender role playing. God/Gods being male, the holy spirit being female ect. ect.
There are no rules with your God, you have the option of using both sides of the blade, you can dust off you cloak and carry on or you can go out to the lost, whichever tickles your fancy at the time you are permitted to do. When the Hebrew God rules don't suit you, you go to Jesus', when those are no longer comfy cozy you go to Paul's, standard protocol.
Quote The majority of christians gives God lip service; they are not even ready to sacrifice their beloved christmas parties.
The world embraces this event, and what the world loves; is not of God.
Mithra is very near and dear to the same as the story of Jesus, it is easy to see how they were combined to create christmas.I remember once, a long time ago, standing on my back porch and thought I heard a ram's horn sound and it almost brought me to my knees. Then again I lived in fear of not being worthy.
I am familiar with the two witness story of revelation, to be killed in the street, their bodies left to show the world then they are to come back to life to show the power of God. One thing that is not as popular as it once was with Christianity is bring the dead back to life, to do that now one would be consider a practitioner of voodoo. Most likely in this day and age, most would consider them zombies of some sort.
Quote (princess @ May 08 2012,12:27) WU, Spirit is neither male or female, however your faith carries gender role playing. God/Gods being male, the holy spirit being female ect. ect.
There are no rules with your God, you have the option of using both sides of the blade, you can dust off you cloak and carry on or you can go out to the lost, whichever tickles your fancy at the time you are permitted to do. When the Hebrew God rules don't suit you, you go to Jesus', when those are no longer comfy cozy you go to Paul's, standard protocol.
Quote The majority of christians gives God lip service; they are not even ready to sacrifice their beloved christmas parties.
The world embraces this event, and what the world loves; is not of God.
Mithra is very near and dear to the same as the story of Jesus, it is easy to see how they were combined to create christmas.I remember once, a long time ago, standing on my back porch and thought I heard a ram's horn sound and it almost brought me to my knees. Then again I lived in fear of not being worthy.
I am familiar with the two witness story of revelation, to be killed in the street, their bodies left to show the world then they are to come back to life to show the power of God. One thing that is not as popular as it once was with Christianity is bring the dead back to life, to do that now one would be consider a practitioner of voodoo. Most likely in this day and age, most would consider them zombies of some sort.
Hi Princess.Why are you so confused? what have you been feeding on?
You can not separate the old testament and the new testament. They work together,to find the answers.The old testament is one witness and the new testament is and other witness.
Jesus was also in the old testament,as the word of God.
He is in the new testament as Jesus.He will be in the kingdom, as the word of God.The apostles and Jesus are one of the same spirit.
They have received the Holy spirit before they start preaching.You have stumbled somewhere along the way.
God has created man in the flesh male and female for a purpose. And that is to pro'create,to be fruitful and multiply.
We have reached nearly 7billion now and that is enough in Gods eyes.The angels are created spirit creatures, they dont need to pro'create,therefore no need to have them male nor female.
You think in your mind that in the whole universe there must be male and female,or it wont work.
Where did you get that teaching from,saying that the holy spirit is female?This is so silly.
God has one great rule,and that is ''love your neighbour as your self, and love the Lord your God with all your heart,and soul and mind.
The Holy bible is a book of instructions of how to live a God fearing life. Fear not as a boogie man; but fear as to always trying not to do the evil thing.To keep us on the straight and narrow.The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge.
Without the fear of God,anything goes,to please one self.because there will be no one to judge. Go and lie ,cheat,commit adultery,back stab, be greedy while its there,dont worry about the others,you must take care of your self,life is short.
Would you like to live in a world like that? The law of the jungle is already being practised in this world; the big eat the small.
What ever God is teaching us,satan will come and do the same only corrupting it. this is why we must stay with the scriptures.
God created us and he also can take us away, and then bring you back again,in a glorified body.
Jesus was an example; he was resurrected in a glorified body,and so will we, the God fearing.The resurrection will only happen at the coming.(the day of the resurrection).It is not an everyday occurrence.
wakeup.
Wake Up
Please excuse the lack of response to your post, at times in life it is better to not speak in a hurried manner and actually think things through.
I understand how easy some things may confuse you, just by paralleling Isiah to Paul is enough to keep a scholar going for years. The description of each God differs in so many ways, however for Christianity to have a hero of their God as mythology does Jesus did need to happen, history does repeat itself.
You call the world a dog eat dog world but you do not apply to the time of when the bible was written, do you think mankind was any different back then, so the dog eat dog as it is today was God eat God back then, same concept of thinking, just the subject matter has changed.
You proclaim that your God has had enough of the population explosion, then turn and say the reason why male and female were created was to procreate and multiply. I believe that is considered either irony or an oxymoron, one of the two, depending on how one view things.
I do not know whether to take your comments of knowing what God and I think as a compliment or as a insult. Do to I know that a person of God does not speak for God that is just taboo, all they are to do is parrot the word, so to take what you have to say about what I think is to say the least creepy.
The comment in regards to angels procreating perhaps you should study the story of nephim, I do believe Goliath was one of their descendent's, correct me if I am wrong. The other about how spirits of your religion are gender associated, an easy reference is how you submit Babylon as being female. Strange how the fight with good and evil stem on male and female spirits, or haven't you caught on to that teaching yet?
You can stay within your scriptures as you wish, I do know there is a warning about searching them to find answers and still not finding them. That is what is so great about your faith they cover every area of life, freely given you a choice to make. You can dust off your cloak or go to the lost whichever you fancy at the moment, there is no stead fast and constant instructions. With ones that do not have a religious spirit attach to them have a constant. Does it really matter what one is as to what one does?
Christianity in today's world is a hide behind daddy's skirt, stick my tongue out at you and say nah nah I will hide behind my God and use him to my own advantage. I can say that the spirit of humiliation runs rampid in the church today, oh you don't believe then let me humiliate you as a person. Telling them my God will trample you.
With due regret I must inform you that the path you are on is very destructive to wards truth, it is sorrow that one does not grow and becomes stagnet in their own and cannot reach the fullness of themselves. I would advise to quit calling on spirits that you know not where they come and go, and find within yourself that spark of truth.
As you rely on blood and flesh to cover yourself, others keep searching and moving to greater things and purposes, some do not stop. To me, you are a prisoner of your own device. You have sold yourself to a blood god, place the chains on yourself and threw away the key, thinking that the hero of God will come to you and find your sentence appeasing to him, while all along you must accept that this hero can pass you by and tell you I do not know you.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 10 2012,22:59) We have reached nearly 7billion now and that is enough in Gods eyes.
Give the scripture for this please, or tell us about the voice of god you heard in your head that told you this.Stuart
Quote (princess @ May 18 2012,01:45) Wake Up Please excuse the lack of response to your post, at times in life it is better to not speak in a hurried manner and actually think things through.
I understand how easy some things may confuse you, just by paralleling Isiah to Paul is enough to keep a scholar going for years. The description of each God differs in so many ways, however for Christianity to have a hero of their God as mythology does Jesus did need to happen, history does repeat itself.
You call the world a dog eat dog world but you do not apply to the time of when the bible was written, do you think mankind was any different back then, so the dog eat dog as it is today was God eat God back then, same concept of thinking, just the subject matter has changed.
You proclaim that your God has had enough of the population explosion, then turn and say the reason why male and female were created was to procreate and multiply. I believe that is considered either irony or an oxymoron, one of the two, depending on how one view things.
I do not know whether to take your comments of knowing what God and I think as a compliment or as a insult. Do to I know that a person of God does not speak for God that is just taboo, all they are to do is parrot the word, so to take what you have to say about what I think is to say the least creepy.
The comment in regards to angels procreating perhaps you should study the story of nephim, I do believe Goliath was one of their descendent's, correct me if I am wrong. The other about how spirits of your religion are gender associated, an easy reference is how you submit Babylon as being female. Strange how the fight with good and evil stem on male and female spirits, or haven't you caught on to that teaching yet?
You can stay within your scriptures as you wish, I do know there is a warning about searching them to find answers and still not finding them. That is what is so great about your faith they cover every area of life, freely given you a choice to make. You can dust off your cloak or go to the lost whichever you fancy at the moment, there is no stead fast and constant instructions. With ones that do not have a religious spirit attach to them have a constant. Does it really matter what one is as to what one does?
Christianity in today's world is a hide behind daddy's skirt, stick my tongue out at you and say nah nah I will hide behind my God and use him to my own advantage. I can say that the spirit of humiliation runs rampid in the church today, oh you don't believe then let me humiliate you as a person. Telling them my God will trample you.
With due regret I must inform you that the path you are on is very destructive to wards truth, it is sorrow that one does not grow and becomes stagnet in their own and cannot reach the fullness of themselves. I would advise to quit calling on spirits that you know not where they come and go, and find within yourself that spark of truth.
As you rely on blood and flesh to cover yourself, others keep searching and moving to greater things and purposes, some do not stop. To me, you are a prisoner of your own device. You have sold yourself to a blood god, place the chains on yourself and threw away the key, thinking that the hero of God will come to you and find your sentence appeasing to him, while all along you must accept that this hero can pass you by and tell you I do not know you.
Hi princess.Can you state your believe? for I am confused in figuring what you realy are about.
Do you believe in God? Do you dislike religion; so do I.
Do you blame God and his word,because of the so called christians behaving badly?Can you please state your believe?
greetings to you.
wakeup.
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