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Quote (Stu @ April 29 2012,16:48) Quote (Wakeup @ April 29 2012,16:21) I make electric guitars in my free time,and I made about 50 of them so far.
If I dont like one particular one; then I simply pull it apart and use the parts for the next one.And I discard the rejected one: am I being unfair to that guitar? For I made it,can I not destroy it? is it not my right?
So can God; he destroys whom he wants. according to his judgement.
Can anybody say to him; hey what are you doing? no.
He made us,and he can do what he likes with us.
If you think that pulling a guitar apart is akin to genocide, then I think your judgment is somewhat unreliable. You have articulated some good reasons to reject this god concept as immoral.Quote Regarding Uzzah and the ark of the covenant; the most holy vessel on earth at that time; The law was very strict;that no one can touch it or he dies.The power must be enormous. If I tried to save my friend from electrocution,by touching him,I also will die no matter what the motif was,for good or bad.
Uzzahs motif was indeed good,but he touched it,and he died.
If I cross a bussy freeway trying to save a child; Both of us will die,no matter what the motif.
So your reason for Uzzah being killed is that god was powerless to prevent it in this case.Quote I hope your eyes will open up a little regarding this awesome God.The more you resist him,the more he will pull you.
And he is stronger than you.
I disagree that strength represents ethical good.Stuart
Stu.May I ask: are you a junior or senior?
I am past my seniority.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 29 2012,20:34) Quote (Stu @ April 29 2012,16:48) Quote (Wakeup @ April 29 2012,16:21) I make electric guitars in my free time,and I made about 50 of them so far.
If I dont like one particular one; then I simply pull it apart and use the parts for the next one.And I discard the rejected one: am I being unfair to that guitar? For I made it,can I not destroy it? is it not my right?
So can God; he destroys whom he wants. according to his judgement.
Can anybody say to him; hey what are you doing? no.
He made us,and he can do what he likes with us.
If you think that pulling a guitar apart is akin to genocide, then I think your judgment is somewhat unreliable. You have articulated some good reasons to reject this god concept as immoral.Quote Regarding Uzzah and the ark of the covenant; the most holy vessel on earth at that time; The law was very strict;that no one can touch it or he dies.The power must be enormous. If I tried to save my friend from electrocution,by touching him,I also will die no matter what the motif was,for good or bad.
Uzzahs motif was indeed good,but he touched it,and he died.
If I cross a bussy freeway trying to save a child; Both of us will die,no matter what the motif.
So your reason for Uzzah being killed is that god was powerless to prevent it in this case.Quote I hope your eyes will open up a little regarding this awesome God.The more you resist him,the more he will pull you.
And he is stronger than you.
I disagree that strength represents ethical good.Stuart
Stu.May I ask: are you a junior or senior?
I am past my seniority.wakeup.
I don't know how you define those terms, and I'm not sure what difference it makes anyway. I tend not to post personal information on the internet.Stuart
Hi Stu
Quote Is it really free will when you have to choose between compulsory love of this god with simultaneous fear of it, and the alternative option which is the “free” rejection of the god, which then promises you some kind of eternal punishment or destruction for rejecting it…depending on which christian god you follow? How is that a free choice? Tell me you would not be very angry at your bank manager if he offered you the same kind of options. In your quest to disprove the message of the bible, you failed to understand that God is creating spiritual children to live in his kingdom. It's our inheritance, and our right, so he freely offers it to us. If we don't want to claim our inheritance, we don't have to. This is free choice. Take it or leave it.
But….God's whole purpose is to create evil, expose it, then finally destroy it. Evil is a sifting tool. That is why God created Satan. If you love unrighteousness then you will be drawn to evil and hate anything that is good if its comes from God. So you will be drawn to one or the other.You say there is no God but you have one, and that is Satan your father. He did not create you physically, but he created that spirit in you, or corrupted it so that you take on his own nature which is contrary to God.
Not all atheists are evil. Some disbelieve because they were taught from a child that there is no God. Others disbelieve because they see the world's injustices, and form an opinion that a real God would never allow this, or in your case trust in man to have the answers to everything, and those men you trust happen to have a voice, and big pay packets, they are the learned ones that write the text books, for children to start learning at a young age. Of course there are other atheists that just couldn't give a hoot because nothing has sparked their interest, and they have never reached such a low in their life, where they can only look up.
So my point is that not all atheists have evil qualities. There are some out there who do happen to have love in their hearts, and would put others first, never mocking, or degrading another because of their religion or beliefs. These atheists, who did not come to the knowledge of the truth, and who did not have evil in their hearts will be judged in the 2nd resurrection. They will be judged according to their deeds, and a lot will be spared. Other atheists who love evil will be destroyed for the sake of the good as all evil will be destroyed at the appointed time. There is a difference you know. God goes straight into the heart, that's how he works, and that's why there are two resurrections, but you failed to see that in the scriptures. Not all are damned. Just those who are full of evil, pure evil, for evil has to be destroyed.
In your world, there is no hope for this, no one to rescue, and everything is impossible, but stays the same, ….but in our world, the truth has been revealed to us from our mighty creator, full of wisdom and power, and we know God's plan exactly every step of the way, and even know prophesies concerning the end times and what nations will rise up against whom, and who will lead, and how only the very wicked will be destroyed at Christ's coming. We even know what will happen 1000 years after that and what exact events will take place in what order. Your text books can't teach you that.
Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Matthew 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Matthew 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Matthew 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Matthew 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Matthew 11:6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.
Matthew 13:16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
Quote (journey42 @ April 29 2012,21:46) Hi Stu Quote Is it really free will when you have to choose between compulsory love of this god with simultaneous fear of it, and the alternative option which is the “free” rejection of the god, which then promises you some kind of eternal punishment or destruction for rejecting it…depending on which christian god you follow? How is that a free choice? Tell me you would not be very angry at your bank manager if he offered you the same kind of options. In your quest to disprove the message of the bible,
Hi Georgie (hope I remembered correctly – apologies if I didn’t)It’s not really a quest. The bible is wrong on so many points, demonstrated by so many other people that it wouldn’t really need to be “my quest”. But I did start a thread on that topic, in which I showed how there are at least five things in the Judeo-christian scriptures that can be shown to be wrong. And I don’t think I had to discuss talking snakes as one of them… It’s been a while.
Quote you failed to understand that God is creating spiritual children to live in his kingdom. It's our inheritance, and our right, so he freely offers it to us. If we don't want to claim our inheritance, we don't have to. This is free choice. Take it or leave it.
Yes but I think my point was that it is a poisoned “gift”, one that comes from a sadistic tyrant that demands your love in a climate of fear. That isn’t a healthy obsession to have for a human being. And we know what mythology says happens to those who “freely” reject this offer. They are destroyed by fire by the tyrant god.Quote But….God's whole purpose is to create evil, expose it, then finally destroy it. Evil is a sifting tool. That is why God created Satan. If you love unrighteousness then you will be drawn to evil and hate anything that is good if its comes from God. So you will be drawn to one or the other.
That’s an interesting theology you have there. Have you tried discussing it with others here, particularly the point that the Judeo-christian god created evil?Quote You say there is no God but you have one, and that is Satan your father. He did not create you physically, but he created that spirit in you, or corrupted it so that you take on his own nature which is contrary to God.
You are welcome to believe that if you want. But it increases your paranoia because once you have decided this to be a fact there is no coming back from it: whatever I say, it is satan trying to tempt you, isn’t it. If that is the case then I don’t really see the point in discussing anything with you. And I don’t see how you can grow in any direction, even in christianity, for this state of paranoia.Quote Not all atheists are evil. Some disbelieve because they were taught from a child that there is no God. Others disbelieve because they see the world's injustices, and form an opinion that a real God would never allow this, or in your case trust in man to have the answers to everything, and those men you trust happen to have a voice, and big pay packets, they are the learned ones that write the text books, for children to start learning at a young age. Of course there are other atheists that just couldn't give a hoot because nothing has sparked their interest, and they have never reached such a low in their life, where they can only look up.
I see now you are copying my language. You are recasting my comments to you about christianity possibly being a help out of the gutter for those in abject desperation, but not being an ethical way to live, just a better way to suppress things than alcohol or whatever, with far better ways of living and relating to your fellow humans and appreciating the wonder of the universe.Quote So my point is that not all atheists have evil qualities. There are some out there who do happen to have love in their hearts, and would put others first, never mocking, or degrading another because of their religion or beliefs.
I do not intend to degrade you at all, I have no particular reason to do that, but I think the ideas of christianity you carry in your head are ridiculous. Is it not a better friend who points out the sour cream on your chin than say nothing and let you parade it in the high street?Quote These atheists, who did not come to the knowledge of the truth,
Religious platitude.Quote and who did not have evil in their hearts
Religious platitude.Quote will be judged in the 2nd resurrection. They will be judged according to their deeds, and a lot will be spared. Other atheists who love evil will be destroyed for the sake of the good as all evil will be destroyed at the appointed time. There is a difference you know. God goes straight into the heart,
And don’t forget the kidneys! (Rev. 2:23).Quote that's how he works, and that's why there are two resurrections, but you failed to see that in the scriptures. Not all are damned. Just those who are full of evil, pure evil, for evil has to be destroyed. In your world, there is no hope for this, no one to rescue, and everything is impossible, but stays the same, ….but in our world, the truth has been revealed to us from our mighty creator, full of wisdom and power, and we know God's plan exactly every step of the way, and even know prophesies concerning the end times and what nations will rise up against whom, and who will lead, and how only the very wicked will be destroyed at Christ's coming. We even know what will happen 1000 years after that and what exact events will take place in what order. Your text books can't teach you that.
I’m not sure if I h
ave explained this to you, or whether a recap of my personal opinion will help, given that you have already decided, presumably, that I belong in the same category as the demons you think you have driven off, but I think you might have failed to appreciate my attitude to all this nonsense.If it really is true that there are Imaginary Sky Tyrants and alien abductions and goblins and a dead Jesus still stalking around in the aether, and that story really does include the Sadistic Tyrant god making some kind of judgment on me, an average member of an African ape species who means no harm and is just trying to pay the bills, have an interesting time and make some meaning for my life as we all do, then I have no respect whatever for any god that decides because I have not shown both love and fear for it and I have not followed its career on TV or whatever, that somehow I deserve punishment by fire at its hands, if it has hands.
If any of that is true, then I will elect the permanent destruction by fire option, if that is OK by you. It is the only ethical option to take if the alternative is a permanent state of worshipping a sadistic tyrant that has boasted about killing perhaps 24,000,000 of my fellow humans for reasons that I cannot see as ethical no matter what way you look at it. Also, I don’t want any kind of “eternal” existence, whatever that means, because it immediately removes the meaning of the life I currently have. If you are going to exist indefinitely, there is no need to do anything ever: you can always do it tomorrow.
This, presumably, is the god that killed Uzzah who was only trying to help. This is the god that implanted quite a strong sense of curiosity in humans then punished them for expressing it, and supposedly punished all snakes for encouraging humans to express their “god given” curiosity, so in fact it is not only a matter of choosing options that do not lead to agreeing with this monster, but we should also be doing what we can to protect ourselves from this murderous god. I don’t think appeasing it is an option that amounts to more than submission to slavery, which robs us of our basic humanity. So the only option would be war, in the event that it did try to attack us again. Perhaps you think that is pointless.
Since the global flood never happened, perhaps the mass destruction abilities of your god are yet to be tested. I say we should be ready for it. What defense system do you think will work on a Being that has never been seen or heard by anyone, and that has never been shown to exist by any unambiguous evidence ever. Tricky challenge for the military, eh.
Was there a point to you posting from the Sermon on the Mount? Jesus blesses the peacemakers, having brought a sword himself.
By the time we get to Revelation, the sword is arising from his mouth. Might hear the same thing in a mental health facility, from hallucinating patients or christian nurses.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ April 29 2012,15:31)
Please explain how killing Uzzah was just, when he was only trying to help. Would you tell Uzzah it was for his own good?Stuart
Hi Stuart,First: Chronicles and Kings were written by the scribes of the king;
This compares to getting truth from the Presidents 'press secretary'.Secondly: “YHVH”(63) gave instructions to the Levites on how to handle “The Ark”(63)
Conclusion: Nicole Tesla surmised the “The Ark” of God acted (in a way) like a “giant” capacitor.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgDevolution,April wrote:[/quote]
Devol,Princess,
Quote I believe
Devol,Quote Is of no consequence Neither is yours.
Princess
Quote that King James had a deadline to meet Devol
Quote Yes, King James might have, but Of course there is going to be the famous 'but' interjection.
Princess
Quote and did not really care what God had intended.
Devol,Quote King James can not be classified as Christian
No, however he did make a great political move by his actions. As always the golden rule applies here also.Now for you wailing on about the KJV, I don't prefer the readings from such text and I prefer YLT or ISV, I like ones that are Hebrew based in nature, just my preference though.
I cannot disagree your God uses everyone for his own purposes, be either it for good or bad.
Quote (Devolution @ April 28 2012,20:27) Quote (princess @ April 22 2012,14:18) Quote (journey42 @ April 15 2012,12:58) Quote (TimothyVI @ April 15 2012,04:26) Hi Journey, The Hebrew word translated as take hold was taphas.
In almost every time this word was used in the bible in relation to people, it meant to take against their will, or sieze.
I see no reason to believe that it meant anything different in this particular case.It most certainly suggests rape or force.
Tim
Hi TimThank you for that. I don't see it that way, as it says ….and if “they” be found. It looks like clear messing around to me, but you are entitled to your opinion.
In the other case, the man who raped the betrothed woman, was put to death.
The NT however, does not follow all these old rules and traditions. The old law was there to serve a purpose for the Israelites only, not the world. They had strict laws to obey because they had to be a separate nation, and God made them an example. Their punishments were dished out straight away, for the sake of the good. Whereas now, there is mercy, if one want to repent,…… and for the others who wish to continue in these bad acts, judgement will be reserved for the time appointed.
So the pedophiles and rapist of today are just to be let loose and do as the please to others while here on this earth, but hey don't you worry kids, when judgement day comes they will get their's.I am sure Stantorum will have your vote.
Quote So the pedophiles and rapist of today are just to be let loose and do as the please to others while here on this earth, but hey don't you worry kids, when judgement day comes they will get their's. I am sure Stantorum will have your vote.
It's easy to mock God.
It's harder to understand Him unless you seek Him out in truth.
This anger based relationship you have towards Him is one of ignorance and “poor me” attitude extended as a veil pretending to cover the “fates” of others as your main driving concern..
But it is not.Oh, i realize that i don't know you, but i do know your rehashed baseless arguments, which, form a solid picture regarding the mindset of the one using them, which in turn, means that i do indeed know you.
And you are wrong as wrong can be about God and His reasons.
If you tell me, “oh, but i have read the bible, not only that, i have studied this and that etc etc…
My advice would be, since you only mock the God of the bible, to go start again, and this time start without prejudice, for you obviously ignore the reasons WHY God not only allows but also EXPLAINED..explaining WHY He has not intervened, concerning the things that were and are of which you mock Him for….for now…go and start again.
For in your misdirected rage, which caused you prejudice, you obviously understood nothing.
Devol,Thanks for the advice on going back and really knowing who God is, however, like I said I have moved on from such, and no amount of begging you do will change that.
So get off your knees and shake off your cloak and go about your way.
And let's be fair about the whole matter, who is your God?
There are many to choose from within the bible, you are given a mass array, so who have you chosen to be your God or Gods?
Truly, Devol, I am very good at holding my tounge, ones like yourself have given me must practice throughout the years, however, most like yourself are ones that can dish it out, however have a hard time taking it. Which is understandable due to the fact that due to your God you think you are up there with him looking down on humanity and shaking your head and saying I don't understand them either, while all along God will most likely say to you ' I do not know you either' its the chance you take.
Quote (Stu @ April 29 2012,12:21) Quote (Wakeup @ April 28 2012,22:47) You seem to be bitter towards God; and I am confused; why are you angry at someone that you dont believe exists?
Some can become angry at a fantasy concept. But the question really is why are you, one who actually believes in it, not angry at the genocidal and obviously unjust god of the Jewish bible, the one that demands your love on pain of punishment?Stuart
Stuart,I am not angry about such, you know better. Anger is deeply rooted to not understanding, which leads to other emotions and actions that can cause great distress, not only that it has horrible physical effects on the body,
Christianity goes on and on about humanity not evolving, while in their own teachings they evolve themselves becoming another person, being born again, transforming the old to the new, perhaps it may be more towards the spiritual side of the matter, however each will say yes they have changed and are not the person they used to be and have been joined or combined themselves with another enity. I know the comparison is subtle, however it is there.
I tire of it all at times Stuart.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 29 2012,13:16) Quote (Stu @ April 29 2012,12:21) Quote (Wakeup @ April 28 2012,22:47) You seem to be bitter towards God; and I am confused; why are you angry at someone that you dont believe exists?
Some can become angry at a fantasy concept. But the question really is why are you, one who actually believes in it, not angry at the genocidal and obviously unjust god of the Jewish bible, the one that demands your love on pain of punishment?Stuart
Stu.You see God as being unjust,only because you dont know him.
I know him and understand why he does things; and its all for our good.Just as a parent punishing his naughty child with: one week no tv; looks and feels unfair,but it is all for the good.
The child can not see that.So how can I get angry with God?He does it because he loves his chosen ones; and for their sake, evil will be destroyed.
wakeup.
Seriously
??Quote (princess @ April 30 2012,11:07) Quote (Wakeup @ April 29 2012,13:16) Quote (Stu @ April 29 2012,12:21) Quote (Wakeup @ April 28 2012,22:47) You seem to be bitter towards God; and I am confused; why are you angry at someone that you dont believe exists?
Some can become angry at a fantasy concept. But the question really is why are you, one who actually believes in it, not angry at the genocidal and obviously unjust god of the Jewish bible, the one that demands your love on pain of punishment?Stuart
Stu.You see God as being unjust,only because you dont know him.
I know him and understand why he does things; and its all for our good.Just as a parent punishing his naughty child with: one week no tv; looks and feels unfair,but it is all for the good.
The child can not see that.So how can I get angry with God?He does it because he loves his chosen ones; and for their sake, evil will be destroyed.
wakeup.
Seriously??
Hi Princess.Are you a fallen angel?
wakeup.
Quote (Stu @ April 29 2012,21:45) Quote (Wakeup @ April 29 2012,20:34) Quote (Stu @ April 29 2012,16:48) Quote (Wakeup @ April 29 2012,16:21) I make electric guitars in my free time,and I made about 50 of them so far.
If I dont like one particular one; then I simply pull it apart and use the parts for the next one.And I discard the rejected one: am I being unfair to that guitar? For I made it,can I not destroy it? is it not my right?
So can God; he destroys whom he wants. according to his judgement.
Can anybody say to him; hey what are you doing? no.
He made us,and he can do what he likes with us.
If you think that pulling a guitar apart is akin to genocide, then I think your judgment is somewhat unreliable. You have articulated some good reasons to reject this god concept as immoral.Quote Regarding Uzzah and the ark of the covenant; the most holy vessel on earth at that time; The law was very strict;that no one can touch it or he dies.The power must be enormous. If I tried to save my friend from electrocution,by touching him,I also will die no matter what the motif was,for good or bad.
Uzzahs motif was indeed good,but he touched it,and he died.
If I cross a bussy freeway trying to save a child; Both of us will die,no matter what the motif.
So your reason for Uzzah being killed is that god was powerless to prevent it in this case.Quote I hope your eyes will open up a little regarding this awesome God.The more you resist him,the more he will pull you.
And he is stronger than you.
I disagree that strength represents ethical good.Stuart
Stu.May I ask: are you a junior or senior?
I am past my seniority.wakeup.
I don't know how you define those terms, and I'm not sure what difference it makes anyway. I tend not to post personal information on the internet.Stuart
Hi stu.Yes there is a big difference debating a young person or a mature person. A young person dont usually follow the rules of a healthy debate.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 30 2012,13:37) Quote (princess @ April 30 2012,11:07) Quote (Wakeup @ April 29 2012,13:16) Quote (Stu @ April 29 2012,12:21) Quote (Wakeup @ April 28 2012,22:47) You seem to be bitter towards God; and I am confused; why are you angry at someone that you dont believe exists?
Some can become angry at a fantasy concept. But the question really is why are you, one who actually believes in it, not angry at the genocidal and obviously unjust god of the Jewish bible, the one that demands your love on pain of punishment?Stuart
Stu.You see God as being unjust,only because you dont know him.
I know him and understand why he does things; and its all for our good.Just as a parent punishing his naughty child with: one week no tv; looks and feels unfair,but it is all for the good.
The child can not see that.So how can I get angry with God?He does it because he loves his chosen ones; and for their sake, evil will be destroyed.
wakeup.
Seriously??
Hi Princess.Are you a fallen angel?
wakeup.
Maybe when the self-righteous are whizzing upwards everything else looks like it is falling.Why does it matter what kind of angel?
…he said, scoring a truckload of Princess Points.
Stuart
Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2012,00:39) Quote (Stu @ April 29 2012,15:31)
Please explain how killing Uzzah was just, when he was only trying to help. Would you tell Uzzah it was for his own good?Stuart
Hi Stuart,First: Chronicles and Kings were written by the scribes of the king;
This compares to getting truth from the Presidents 'press secretary'.Secondly: “YHVH”(63) gave instructions to the Levites on how to handle “The Ark”(63)
Conclusion: Nicole Tesla surmised the “The Ark” of God acted (in a way) like a “giant” capacitor.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Firstly: So much for divine inspiration then.Secondly: It doesn't really matter the nature of the mechanism, the Judeo-christian god directly takes responsibility for killing Uzzah…
…unless the bible is all just political spin written by secretaries to make the Judeo-christian Imaginary Friend appear impressively sadistic and tyrannical.
Stuart
Quote (Wakeup @ April 30 2012,20:06) Hi stu. Yes there is a big difference debating a young person or a mature person. A young person dont usually follow the rules of a healthy debate.
wakeup.
I see. How completely irrelevant and boring.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ April 30 2012,20:17) Quote (Wakeup @ April 30 2012,20:06) Hi stu. Yes there is a big difference debating a young person or a mature person. A young person dont usually follow the rules of a healthy debate.
wakeup.
I see. How completely irrelevant and boring.Stuart
THE THING NAMED STU.I hope you dont feel dishonored being called a THING.
It just occurred to me that we have been debating with a pound of chemicals with no soul; just a name given.How silly of us to regard you as one of the human species created by God. How can one ever come to agreement with a pound of chemicals with no spirit and no soul.
Thing named stu: needs to go back to the lab. and have a chemical analyses done.And add some scotch,to give it a spirit touch.
wakeup.
Quote (Stu @ April 30 2012,20:15) Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2012,00:39) Quote (Stu @ April 29 2012,15:31)
Please explain how killing Uzzah was just, when he was only trying to help. Would you tell Uzzah it was for his own good?Stuart
Hi Stuart,First: Chronicles and Kings were written by the scribes of the king;
This compares to getting truth from the Presidents 'press secretary'.Secondly: “YHVH”(63) gave instructions to the Levites on how to handle “The Ark”(63)
Conclusion: Nicole Tesla surmised the “The Ark” of God acted (in a way) like a “giant” capacitor.
God bless
Ed J
Firstly: So much for divine inspiration then.Secondly: It doesn't really matter the nature of the mechanism, the Judeo-christian god directly takes responsibility for killing Uzzah…
…unless the bible is all just political spin written by secretaries to make the Judeo-christian Imaginary Friend appear impressively sadistic and tyrannical.
Stuart
Stuart, re-read my quote.
You know so very little about GOD.Why are you so 'wishy washy',
saying such contradictory statements?
The scribes of the king gave YHVH this credit.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ April 30 2012,13:37) Quote (princess @ April 30 2012,11:07) Quote (Wakeup @ April 29 2012,13:16) Quote (Stu @ April 29 2012,12:21) Quote (Wakeup @ April 28 2012,22:47) You seem to be bitter towards God; and I am confused; why are you angry at someone that you dont believe exists?
Some can become angry at a fantasy concept. But the question really is why are you, one who actually believes in it, not angry at the genocidal and obviously unjust god of the Jewish bible, the one that demands your love on pain of punishment?Stuart
Stu.You see God as being unjust,only because you dont know him.
I know him and understand why he does things; and its all for our good.Just as a parent punishing his naughty child with: one week no tv; looks and feels unfair,but it is all for the good.
The child can not see that.So how can I get angry with God?He does it because he loves his chosen ones; and for their sake, evil will be destroyed.
wakeup.
Seriously??
Hi Princess.Are you a fallen angel?
wakeup.
I don't understand what you are asking WU, could you expand your statement a bit more, so we can continue on.Thanks
Quote (Wakeup @ May 01 2012,02:34) Quote (Stu @ April 30 2012,20:17) Quote (Wakeup @ April 30 2012,20:06) Hi stu. Yes there is a big difference debating a young person or a mature person. A young person dont usually follow the rules of a healthy debate.
wakeup.
I see. How completely irrelevant and boring.Stuart
THE THING NAMED STU.I hope you dont feel dishonored being called a THING.
It just occurred to me that we have been debating with a pound of chemicals with no soul; just a name given.How silly of us to regard you as one of the human species created by God. How can one ever come to agreement with a pound of chemicals with no spirit and no soul.
Thing named stu: needs to go back to the lab. and have a chemical analyses done.And add some scotch,to give it a spirit touch.
wakeup.
I see that even you were finding your own post boring, which prompted a change of subject.But that last line of your post is informative.
Stuart
Quote (Ed J @ May 01 2012,09:09) The scribes of the king gave YHVH this credit.
So how do we know when the bible is god talking, and when it is scribes spinning?Stuart
Quote (princess @ May 01 2012,11:39) Quote (Wakeup @ April 30 2012,13:37) Quote (princess @ April 30 2012,11:07) Quote (Wakeup @ April 29 2012,13:16) Quote (Stu @ April 29 2012,12:21) Quote (Wakeup @ April 28 2012,22:47) You seem to be bitter towards God; and I am confused; why are you angry at someone that you dont believe exists?
Some can become angry at a fantasy concept. But the question really is why are you, one who actually believes in it, not angry at the genocidal and obviously unjust god of the Jewish bible, the one that demands your love on pain of punishment?Stuart
Stu.You see God as being unjust,only because you dont know him.
I know him and understand why he does things; and its all for our good.Just as a parent punishing his naughty child with: one week no tv; looks and feels unfair,but it is all for the good.
The child can not see that.So how can I get angry with God?He does it because he loves his chosen ones; and for their sake, evil will be destroyed.
wakeup.
Seriously??
Hi Princess.Are you a fallen angel?
wakeup.
I don't understand what you are asking WU, could you expand your statement a bit more, so we can continue on.Thanks
Princess.You are a follower of Christ before,untill you fell away.
Is that correct?But why?wakeup.
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