Atheism vs Theism

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Even though something is done, nothing can come out of it.

April 11, 2012 at 4:59 am#291482

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Even though something is done, nothing can come out of it.

Princess.

This world has tried for centuries to bring peace,but nothing came out of it.
This is because they dont follow the guidance of our father,our creator.
And we keep on asking why is there no peace.Why is there so much strive in the world,husband against wife,children against parents,brother against brother.

We are the children of disobedience,sottish children.
Puffed up, all knowing,high minded.

We create our selves,there is no God.

wakeup.

April 11, 2012 at 10:55 am#291553

Stu

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Why is there so much strive in the world,husband against wife,children against parents,brother against brother.

Luke 14:26

Stuart

April 11, 2012 at 11:03 am#291555

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Please define the terms 'nothing' and 'something'.

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Go and ask any 5 year old.

April 11, 2012 at 2:50 pm#291567

Stu

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Please define the terms 'nothing' and 'something'.

Stuart

Go and ask any 5 year old.

I daresay that would result in a better answer.

Stuart

April 11, 2012 at 7:10 pm#291612

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wakeup.

But they are following their creator.

(Matthew 10:34-36) – “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35″For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; 36and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household

Why do you not believe Jesus?

Tim

April 11, 2012 at 11:48 pm#291694

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Why is there so much strive in the world,husband against wife,children against parents,brother against brother.

Luke 14:26

Stuart

Stu.

You have obviously read the bible but have not reached maturity yet.

God is above all,or he is not worthy to be God.
He can not be above mother, or brother, or sister, or son, or daughter,or even ones self.

We can not put God in second place: you must love the Lord your God with all your heart ,with all your soul and with all your strength,with all your mind.

In time to come there needs be some sacrifices made; We must make a choice,to take the mark of the beast or not to take.
This is the time when many christian lip worshippers will fail.

They will chose to save their lives,and fam.lives, rather than sacrifice.

We must not chose fam. above God.

wakeup.

April 12, 2012 at 2:25 am#291752

Stu

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You have obviously read the bible but have not reached maturity yet.

I’m well into middle age now, but every time I read your book of Talking Donkeys and Evil Figs I do feel myself aging at too fast a rate. Perhaps I would look even more dynamic and alluring now if I had never read a word of Judeo-christian mythology.

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God is above all,or he is not worthy to be God.

What is a god?

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He can not be above mother, or brother, or sister, or son, or daughter,or even ones self.

Did you mean to write that?

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We can not put God in second place: you must love the Lord your God with all your heart ,with all your soul and with all your strength,with all your mind.

And with your kidneys too, according to Revelation 2:23.

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In time to come there needs be some sacrifices made;

…if I now demand the German people to sacrifice, and if necessary, I demand to sacrifice everything, I have the right to do so. – Adolf Hitler in his speech to the Reichstag, 1 September 1939.

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We must make a choice,to take the mark of the beast or not to take.

That wasn’t in the script of The Omen! Have you checked your sources?

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This is the time when many christian lip worshippers will fail. They will chose to save their lives,and fam.lives, rather than sacrifice.bWe must not chose fam. above God.

Just another reason to reject christianity as a poor choice of hobby, like membership of the KKK or the Neonazis.

Stuart

April 12, 2012 at 7:53 am#291823

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wakeup.

But they are following their creator.

Why do you not believe Jesus?

Tim

Hi Tomothyv1.

That is a true prophesy,as you can see now, al the debates regarding the scriptures amongst christians even.
And this also happens in the family.

Can you see the truth in those words?
Wars; christians against non christians and christians, slandering each other.
this is because there is no peace inside them.

The only way to find peace is when men has found peace in their hearts,this is what the bible is all about.
Love your neighbour as your self.

This will come to be accomplished when God himself will rule mankind.
God is love; to know God is to have love,and love is not boastful,is not selfish,is not hateful,is not greedy,is not self serving,is not murdering.

God is in the process of cleansing us humans from the INSIDE.
The spirit of this greedy world in us, must be changed into the spirit of God.

We can not blame God for all the things that are happening in this world,because it is all the works of this world.(mankind)
You play with fire; you get burned,you play with peace;you get wars, you destroy the earth; you get all sorts of problems.You dont believe in God,your conscience will go numb,then die.

A God fearing person will not cheat, lie, back stab, murder,etc.
The fear of God is the beginning of knowledge.
If one have no fear of God; he,she, is free to do anything,as long as it benefits them,not caring about others.

This means following the law of the jungle,the big eat the small,the strong take the weak,oppress the weak,and the poor, turn into slavery.

The bible is an instruction book from God to men,how to live in God and in peace,but mankind refused to be told what to do by their creator, our spiritual father.Some do follow,but corrupted the teachings of God for their own benefit.

I AM NOT TRYING TO SELL YOU ANYTHING.
Just trying to explain why we true believers believe in God,and follow his instructions,with sufferings,because the world does not have that same spirit(a different frequency),therefore the world will ostracize the true believers, as they did with Jesus.

There is a good God who is working on us from the inside,to make us clean.Once cleansed,then; this that is corruptible will be changed into the incorruptible.This is the resurrection.
Jesus is the forerunner.(example).

wakeup.

April 12, 2012 at 2:08 pm#291836

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Hi Wakeup,

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That is a true prophesy,as you can see now, al the debates regarding the scriptures amongst christians even.
And this also happens in the family.

This wasn't a prophesy. It was Jesus saying that it was the reason for his coming. To cause all of these problems.

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We can not blame God for all the things that are happening in this world,because it is all the works of this world.(mankind)

But isn't God the creator of everything? God created good and God created evil.

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That must be why atheists are about 16% of the population in the USA but only make up
.2% of the prison population. Why are such a high percent of the people in prison Christians
compared to atheists?

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The bible is an instruction book from God to men, how to live in God and in peace.

I for the life of me do not understand why sane people keep saying that sort of thing.

The bible told us to kill homosexuals.
The bible told us kill kids who talk back.
The bible told us to kill women who had sex before marriage.
The bible told us to force a woman who got raped to marry her rapist, after paying her dad.
The bible told us that it was fine to own slaves.

Exactly what kind of instruction book from God is this bible?

Tim

April 12, 2012 at 3:07 pm#291839

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Hi Wakeup,

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That is a true prophesy,as you can see now, al the debates regarding the scriptures amongst christians even.
And this also happens in the family.

This wasn't a prophesy. It was Jesus saying that it was the reason for his coming. To cause all of these problems.

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We can not blame God for all the things that are happening in this world,because it is all the works of this world.(mankind)

But isn't God the creator of everything? God created good and God created evil.

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The bible is an instruction book from God to men, how to live in God and in peace.

I for the life of me do not understand why sane people keep saying that sort of thing.

Exactly what kind of instruction book from God is this bible?

Tim

Hi Timothyv1.

Jesus in his speach sometimes does talk about the future,in his words. In mathew 24. he does fully prohesy.The bible contains most of prophesies.75%.

I dont know where you got your information,but your list below is not correct.
You might have mistaken it for the qur'an.The muslems use the qur'an.

God is in charge of all,good and evil. He is in control of satan also.
satan is used by God to spread evil,and Gods prophets,and apostles to spread good. And the people are there to make the choice,to accept to follow living withhout the fear of God,or living following Gods laws.

Jesus came down from God in the flesh,for the sufferings and death,and he was giving the world instructions for how to live in peace,and how to follow Gods way.But satan was there also trying to tempt people to live his way.

God could crushed satan there and then,but no; satan must finish his job first,and then,when evil has reached the maximum; then evil will be destroyed for ever,and satan also.

Dont confuse the holy bible with any other books.
God is love; and he loved us first; to prove this to us,he gave his only son to be crucified,and therefore to open the way to God through Jesus and him alone.

When a generation is living in total keos and evil,Gods punishment can be dreadful; to punish and to give an example for the next generations. Like sodom and gomorah when God burned it with fire and brimstone; they were very evil,anything goes,even sex with animals has become the norm.

If every person in this world has found peace in them selves,then there will be peace,in this world,and this is what God is working on through the generations.
The time will come when God is finished with satan and his evil angels,then they will be no more.

wakeup.

April 12, 2012 at 3:37 pm#291841

WhatIsTrue

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I dont know where you got your information,but your list below is not correct.

The bible told us to kill homosexuals. (from Leviticus 20:13)
The bible told us kill kids who talk back. (from Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
The bible told us to kill women who had sex before marriage. (from Deuteronomy 22:20-21)
The bible told us to force a woman who got raped to marry her rapist, after paying her dad.(from Deuteronomy 21:28-29)
The bible told us that it was fine to own slaves. (from Leviticus 25:44-46)

Wake up!

April 12, 2012 at 6:13 pm#291856

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I dont know where you got your information,but your list below is not correct.

Wake up!

Hi whatistrue.

There was a time when israel is in the early stages of becoming a nation,and strict laws are necessary,because they are amongst nations that do those things.
In those early days the laws has to be strict

Regarding the child that is stubborn a glutton and a drunkard,this is obviuosly is not a small child. he is judged first and if he is still stubborn,then he is no good to walk in the mids of them,to give an ensample to others.
As I said they are very strict laws to keep the nation clean.

Jesus did not put the woman cuaght in adultery to death; but he saved her.But he said; woman; where are your accusers? Go and sin no more.

wakeup.

The understanding of the whole scripture is needed.

April 13, 2012 at 2:11 am#291971

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Oh where does one begin…………….:laugh:

April 13, 2012 at 2:12 am#291972

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April 13, 2012 at 2:18 am#291977

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Perhaps the atheist's crime is better planned.

April 13, 2012 at 3:56 pm#292043

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I dont know where you got your information,but your list below is not correct.

Wake up!

Hi whatistrue.

Jesus did not put the woman cuaght in adultery to death; but he saved her.But he said; woman; where are your accusers? Go and sin no more.

wakeup.

The understanding of the whole scripture is needed.

Hi Wake up,

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Those laws were not strict, they were ludicrous.
Punishing people with the ultimate punishment (death) for minor crimes, or no crimes at all is reprehensible.

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God never heard of rehabilitation? Let's not try to help an alcoholic, let's just kill him.

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Jesus did not put the woman cuaght in adultery to death; but he saved her.But he said; woman; where are your accusers? Go and sin no more.

How do you know that Jesus was not merely teaching us in a parable that it is o.k. to break God's laws because they are stupid laws?

Tim

April 13, 2012 at 6:09 pm#292057

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I dont know where you got your information,but your list below is not correct.

Wake up!

Hi whatistrue.

Jesus did not put the woman cuaght in adultery to death; but he saved her.But he said; woman; where are your accusers? Go and sin no more.

wakeup.

The understanding of the whole scripture is needed.

Hi Wake up,

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Those laws were not strict, they were ludicrous.
Punishing people with the ultimate punishment (death) for minor crimes, or no crimes at all is reprehensible.

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God never heard of rehabilitation? Let's not try to help an alcoholic, let's just kill him.

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Jesus did not put the woman cuaght in adultery to death; but he saved her.But he said; woman; where are your accusers? Go and sin no more.

How do you know that Jesus was not merely teaching us in a parable that it is o.k. to break God's laws because they are stupid laws?

Tim

Timothyv1.

The law was very strict,for the sake of the upcoming nation,there can not be any bad influence among this new nation. I am sure that some are given a second chance,knowing God is not black and white.

They were very stubborne people,a stiff necked people.
They were prophet killers,and they also killed the son of God.

The law is not good; because of the law they are guilty,therefore came jesus,to upgrade the law.
The law is now not written in stone,but in our hearts.
We dont sin because we LOVE our God through Jesus.
Big difference.

wakeup.

April 13, 2012 at 6:21 pm#292061