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Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Sep. 27 2011,01:39) Ed J, Stick to the points?!?!?
I have been addressing everything that you brought up by showing the context of where it came from. You can't claim that the bible says something and simply expect me to take your word for it. I pulled up the passages in question and showed you quite clearly that what you claim the bible says is a major stretch.
If the bible actually said what you said, then it would be intriguing, but it does NOT say what you are inferring. If you don't understand that, then I can not help you.
Hi Wit,So God telling them that (1)the earth is round, (2)hangs on nothing,
and (3)our universe both began and (4)is in constant expansion
proves that they got all these points wrong; yes or no?So far you have only touched on point #4, looking forward
to hearing what you have to say on the other three points.
Try to stick only to the points without any distractions; OK?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ Sep. 30 2011,15:57) Atheists don't believe that bats are birds… …now carry on.
Stuart
….noted.Ed J,
As I said in my last post, if you don't understand how I've addressed all the points that you have raised, then I can't really help you any further.
Perhaps this will help. Pay particular attention to the section on the ancient Near East. Here's a brief quote from it.
Quote In early Egyptian and Mesopotamian thought the world was portrayed as a flat disk floating in the ocean. Also, check out the accompanying illustration.
Hi Wit,
You call distractions and trying to plant doubt an offer to help me?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 30 2011,17:28) Hi Wit, So God telling them that (1)the earth is round, (2)hangs on nothing,
and (3)our universe both began and (4)is in constant expansion
proves that they got all these points wrong; yes or no?So far you have only touched on point #4, looking forward
to hearing what you have to say on the other three points.
Try to stick only to the points without any distractions; OK?
Hi Wit,1) Isaiah 40:22 (See also Isaiah 3:18)
2) Job 26:7
3) Genesis 1:1 (See also Isaiah 45:12)
4) Jer.10:12 (See also Job 9:8 and Isaiah 40:22)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Sep. 27 2011,01:39) If the bible actually said what you said, then it would be intriguing
Because the bible is true it is very intriguing, ain't it?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
(LINK to the thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Sep. 29 2011,04:32) Princess, Great questions. I don't really know the answers though.
It seems like everything stemmed from appeasing various gods, which probably came from the realization that the “forces of nature” were bigger than them, and potentially very deadly.
I know that the blood of animal represented its life, (e.g. the bible's reference to life being in the blood). That probably came from the observation that killing often involved bloodshed. Pouring that blood onto an altar was probably a way to “honor” the god who watched over that particular kind of animal.
WIT,By what I am coming to understand at first humanity took animals to be part of us, then humanity wanted to separate us.
I find it most intriguing that blood, semen, and breast milk were considered to be the mostly highly sacred from humans. Even rituals that gathered these fluids and smeared them on the gods, with of course the 'kings' fluids were considered to be the most important and held a higher standard.
For one to practice such ritual today they would be considered most likely a cult, now it is not a physical ritual it is considered a spiritual one, excluding Eucharist which is somewhat of both. I have found it interesting that being in the faith for some time that I never did do Eucharist, being the condition that if I held something against my brother/sister I would be in some way doing more harm then good, so I never included myself. Now I know it was a good thing that I never, ate the flesh or drank the blood of some god. Good to know.
However it did lead me into something that I have found to be quite interesting Matriarchy vs. Patriarchy, this subject has captured my attention fully.
As always WIT, good discussing matters with you.
Quote (princess @ Oct. 01 2011,23:30) I find it most intriguing that blood, semen, and breast milk were considered to be the mostly highly sacred from humans.
Not just from humans.One of the ten commandments was
” thou shalt not boil a baby goat in his mother's milk.”Tim
Hi Tim,
Glad to see you study!
Gen.38:9-10 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass,
when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he
should give seed to his brother('s wife). And the thing which he did displeased the LORD:God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed,
Not sure what that passage had to do with the ten commandments but not to worry.
After Er couldn't get Tamar pregnant, and his brother Onan couldn't get her pregnant, their dad Judah finally got the job done.
Tim
Quote (TimothyVI @ Oct. 02 2011,05:02) Quote (princess @ Oct. 01 2011,23:30) I find it most intriguing that blood, semen, and breast milk were considered to be the mostly highly sacred from humans.
Not just from humans.One of the ten commandments was
” thou shalt not boil a baby goat in his mother's milk.”Tim
TimothyI really do not have anything negative to say about the dietary guidelines the hebrew text presents, due to I took them on a long time ago, and know the healthy effects they have on a body.
I would always debate the issue, using the phrase, he created us would he not know what is best for us. Then others would use Pauls words of it does not defile a man of what goes into his mouth…., or Kephas vision.
So I am grateful for taking on that part of the faith. I am not surprised with WIT's information of how the Egyptians watched animals behavior before eating them, great insight. So it would not be too surprising that a nation that come from another would accept this form of eating habits.
One cannot live in an eviroment for a long period of time and not learn from it or even intergrate parts into their life.
Princess.
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 30 2011,21:06) Hi Wit, You call distractions and trying to plant doubt an offer to help me?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
As I said already, if you can't understand how my posts are relevant, then it doesn't make sense for me to keep replying to you.princess wrote:
Quote However it did lead me into something that I have found to be quite interesting Matriarchy vs. Patriarchy, this subject has captured my attention fully. Have you found much matriarchy in the bible? As far as I know, the abrahamic traditions, (i.e. Christianity, Judiasm, and Islam), are 100% grounded in patriarchy. I only know of a few tribal traditions that actually hold matriarchy in high regard.
In the canonized bible no, however to read other materials, it seems that true Christianity was meant to be a matriarchy, however due to whatever ignorance of the times, patriarchy prevailed.
Some have taken matriarchy as womens lib or a feminist, to take this on is foolish in itself, for it strips the male just as patriarchy strips the female. Matriarchy is a balance, equal on all accounts. It seems that Egypt had this type of thought and it can be seen in it hieroglyphics. Perhaps that is why the Abraham religions did the opposite, for their gods were male.
This thought of patriarchy has taken so much away from humanity, and where one could succeed in not only the physical realm also the spiritual one as well. To understand that each masculine has a feminine and vise versa and let it become a norm.
I do not discredit any woman or man for that matter if they choose to hold onto thoughts that one gender is greater then another, and they are the sub servant. All have stations we choose in life, what has become quite apparent though that these types are not so courteous to ones that don't choose the same.
It is a fact that how one views their god in gender is what role they take on in thought. So for anyone that takes on the Patriarchy God then their view will be the male gender is greater, one that takes on a Matriarchy view knows there is no difference.
It is much peaceful to take on such as a Matriarchy view then to have to explain away the treatment of woman in the Patriarchy view, due to some god said so or one of his prophets thought it to be. Such a waste of time for the world to take on such.
The Christian proclaims to have it right, then perhaps they should remove the thought of women as being sub servant and placing them as humans, just another form of bigotry cover by religion.
I am starting to ramble WIT, so I will discontinue. Take care.
Even their own bible says that God created humans in his own image. Man and woman, in his image he created them.
So initially they were equal images of God. Then bronze age sheepherders decided that woman were only half as important as men, and the Catholics,in selecting their new testament depicted them as being worth even less.
Tim
Timothy,
I agree, however, some use this as being created in the likeness not to show equality of genders, only to show equality to their gods.
The down grade of women through patriarchy thought has been such a loss not only to humanity but also to the religion in which the woman was involved with. Any one is free to choice which god or gods they will serve, and for that religion not to be able to recognize such zealous in anyone is a religion that is purely ignorant.
Quote (Stu @ Aug. 18 2011,18:10) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 18 2011,16:14) It really takes a lot of faith to believe that nothing can do anything. In fact it takes misinterpretation to believe that, because anything that can do something is by any definition, not nothing.
You appear to have reached the point of self-parody t8.Are congratulations in order?
Stuart
Stu.Can something come from nothing?
Show us your great calculations, your great mind of wisdom.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 09 2012,04:42) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 18 2011,18:10) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 18 2011,16:14) It really takes a lot of faith to believe that nothing can do anything. In fact it takes misinterpretation to believe that, because anything that can do something is by any definition, not nothing.
You appear to have reached the point of self-parody t8.Are congratulations in order?
Stuart
Stu.Can something come from nothing?
Show us your great calculations, your great mind of wisdom.wakeup.
Please define the terms 'nothing' and 'something'.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ April 10 2012,23:00) Quote (Wakeup @ April 09 2012,04:42) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 18 2011,18:10) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 18 2011,16:14) It really takes a lot of faith to believe that nothing can do anything. In fact it takes misinterpretation to believe that, because anything that can do something is by any definition, not nothing.
You appear to have reached the point of self-parody t8.Are congratulations in order?
Stuart
Stu.Can something come from nothing?
Show us your great calculations, your great mind of wisdom.wakeup.
Please define the terms 'nothing' and 'something'.Stuart
Stu.I aked you a question,and you have answered me with a question.
You are all the brain,give us your answer.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 10 2012,23:46) Quote (Stu @ April 10 2012,23:00) Quote (Wakeup @ April 09 2012,04:42) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 18 2011,18:10) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 18 2011,16:14) It really takes a lot of faith to believe that nothing can do anything. In fact it takes misinterpretation to believe that, because anything that can do something is by any definition, not nothing.
You appear to have reached the point of self-parody t8.Are congratulations in order?
Stuart
Stu.Can something come from nothing?
Show us your great calculations, your great mind of wisdom.wakeup.
Please define the terms 'nothing' and 'something'.Stuart
Stu.I aked you a question,and you have answered me with a question.
You are all the brain,give us your answer.wakeup.
Are you copping out?Stuart
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