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Quote (bodhitharta @ June 13 2012,02:55) Quote (Stu @ June 12 2012,22:58) Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2012,17:32) Quote (Stu @ June 12 2012,16:47) Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2012,12:44) Quote (Stu @ June 11 2012,19:08)
So who is the deliverer of official interpretations?
Do tell.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Prophecy is understood after it's fulfilled.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
And when that turns out to be wrong, it is understood again in a different way the next time it is “fulfilled”.And the next…
And the next.
Just ask this hominid:
<img src=" ” target=”_blank”>http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multime……..MG]
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Did you not understand what I said?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Well you said it all really. It's not even prophecy until someone claims that a particular event has fulfilled it. So much for the word prophecy, or the black art of making prophecies.Who is the current antichrist as claimed by eschatology conspirators?
Who was it 50 years ago?
100 years ago?
According to many, the end times prophecies have already been fulfilled long ago.
And yet here we still are…
Stuart
There seems to be here a misunderstanding of the word Prophecy while some Prophets may speak of future events the meaning of prophecy is to express divine will it literally means to “go tell”prophet late 12c., from O.Fr. prophete (11c.), from L. propheta, from Gk. prophetes (Doric prophatas) “an interpreter, spokesman,” especially of the gods, from pro- “before” (see pro-) + root of phanai “to speak,” from PIE *bha- (2) “speak” (see fame). Used in Septuagint for Heb. nabj “soothsayer.” By early writers, Gk. prophetes was translated by L. vates, but the Latinized form propheta predominated in post-Classical times, chiefly due to Christian writers, probably because of pagan associations of vates. Non-religious sense is from 1848; used of Muhammad from 1610s (translating Arabic al-nabiy, and sometimes also al-rasul, prop. “the messenger”). The Latin word is glossed in O.E. by witga. Prophetess is recorded from c.1300.
The immediate sense of a Prophet then is to warn and if a person reads the Bible or Quran it is easy to see that the entire message of both are warnings of doing or not doing something with the underlying results.
The Bible says something so profound that it should be noted:
Deuteronomy 18:22
When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.From this we can see clearly that most of what a Prophet says would have to happen in a time frame that is small enough where it would be known if he were right or wrong while he is alive. The few Prophecies that are long range prophecies usually include the terms “in the end” or “end times” and these could simply be visions of future warnings not necessarily future events.
Now to say that Prophecy is understood after it's fulfilled is a valid statement in the sense after an event what caused the outcome becomes much clearer but someone who is a prophet or understands the prophecy often will understand it as it is happening and make provisions to benefit from it.
Such as Noah with the boat, Lot leaving with some family members nd other situations like that while Cain ignored the Profecy and became a murderer and Jonah didn't understand the prophecy and was bitter when he thought his prophecy failed when it didn't. Further God explains:
Isaiah 42:19
Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the LORD's servant?So the point is in doing the will of God that in itself is understanding
You have made some good points there in regards to the internal rules of the various religious games that are played.It doesn't really matter whether prophets are interpreting religious writing or making other kinds of predictions about the future, the value of the prophecy is in the precision and accuracy of the prediction and whether an event has come to pass in the manner predicted.
But I can't see how that fits with prophecy only being understood after it is fulfilled. If there is no understood principle behind a prophecy then it could easily amount to guessing, and if enough people are busy guessing wildly about what might happen, and they base it on a rough understanding of human nature, then all sorts of prophecies will appear credible to the gullible.
In regards to Noah, Lot and Cain, I'm not sure who you expect to believe those examples given that those characters are fictional.
I do get the points you are making, but I don't think it is any kind of reality you are discussing.
Stuart
Quote (Ed J @ June 13 2012,03:24) Quote (Stu @ June 12 2012,22:58) Who is the current antichrist as claimed by eschatology conspirators? Stuart
Hi Stuart,There is no 'the antichrist', it is the 'spirit of antichrist'.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.…”antichrist” could be an adjective or a noun.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
…sounds more like an adjective here.
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
…spirit of antichrist, as you say.
2 John 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
…definitely a noun.
Indeed there is no “the antichrists”, but “an antichrist” implies that there is more than one of them, and the writer of 1-2 John is talking about people.
Stuart
Quote (Wakeup @ June 13 2012,07:23) It's not even prophecy until someone claims that a particular event has fulfilled it. So much for the word prophecy, or the black art of making prophecies. Who is the current antichrist as claimed by eschatology conspirators?
Who was it 50 years ago?
100 years ago?
According to many, the end times prophecies have already been fulfilled long ago.
And yet here we still are…
Stuart[/quote]
Stu.What about this one; Jesus said this gospel will be preached through out the earth for a witness: and that was said 2000yrs ago.(prophesy fulfilled).
You can't reliably know what Jesus said. But that is not a sufficient reason to dismiss this prediction out of hand. The impressive part about it is that christianity is such an effective meme, an idea infection that is so contagious that it has lasted a couple of millennia. Humans do believe in nonsense, so it is not surprising that religions have lasted, but this one has been particularly pernicious. It’s not impressive that the gospel is still preached, because that is a central feature, and if christianity had not survived then no one would be commenting on how bad that old prophecy had been.But in the end this is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Constantine saved christianity and embedded it in the political history of the West.
Quote Many false prophets shall arise,and shall deceive many.(prophesy fulfilled.)
Fulfilled when? in 200CE? 100CE? What is a false prophet? One man’s false prophet is another man’s guru.Quote Because iniquity shall abound,the love of many shall wax cold. (prophesy fulfilled).
Just writing “prophecy fulfilled” at the end doesn’t give the platitude meaning.Quote Many shall come in my name,saying,I am christ: and shall deceive many.
(prophesy fulfilled).
Yawn.Quote For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time,nor ever shall be. (what if this one also will be fulfilled)?
You’re telling the myths. You tell me!Quote And then hall appear the sign of the son of man in heaven:and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn,and they shall see the son of man coming in the clouds of heaven,with power and great glory.
Is that it? FOUR nonsense platitudes constitute the reason we should take biblical prophecy seriously? Now we're down to prophecies that you don't think have been fulfilled yet. Maybe you can get back to us when you think they have been fulfilled.Quote ( what if these prophesies also will be fulfilled)? where will you stand? can science and technology save you from his wrath?
Whose wrath?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ June 13 2012,18:50) Quote (Ed J @ June 13 2012,03:24) Quote (Stu @ June 12 2012,22:58) Who is the current antichrist as claimed by eschatology conspirators? Stuart
Hi Stuart,There is no 'the antichrist', it is the 'spirit of antichrist'.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.…”antichrist” could be an adjective or a noun.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
…sounds more like an adjective here.
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
…spirit of antichrist, as you say.
2 John 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
…definitely a noun.
Indeed there is no “the antichrists”, but “an antichrist” implies that there is more than one of them, and the writer of 1-2 John is talking about people.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Excellent post!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ June 13 2012,18:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 13 2012,02:55) Quote (Stu @ June 12 2012,22:58) Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2012,17:32) Quote (Stu @ June 12 2012,16:47) Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2012,12:44) Quote (Stu @ June 11 2012,19:08)
So who is the deliverer of official interpretations?
Do tell.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Prophecy is understood after it's fulfilled.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
And when that turns out to be wrong, it is understood again in a different way the next time it is “fulfilled”.And the next…
And the next.
Just ask this hominid:
<img src=" ” target=”_blank”>http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multime……..MG]
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Did you not understand what I said?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Well you said it all really. It's not even prophecy until someone claims that a particular event has fulfilled it. So much for the word prophecy, or the black art of making prophecies.Who is the current antichrist as claimed by eschatology conspirators?
Who was it 50 years ago?
100 years ago?
According to many, the end times prophecies have already been fulfilled long ago.
And yet here we still are…
Stuart
There seems to be here a misunderstanding of the word Prophecy while some Prophets may speak of future events the meaning of prophecy is to express divine will it literally means to “go tell”prophet late 12c., from O.Fr. prophete (11c.), from L. propheta, from Gk. prophetes (Doric prophatas) “an interpreter, spokesman,” especially of the gods, from pro- “before” (see pro-) + root of phanai “to speak,” from PIE *bha- (2) “speak” (see fame). Used in Septuagint for Heb. nabj “soothsayer.” By early writers, Gk. prophetes was translated by L. vates, but the Latinized form propheta predominated in post-Classical times, chiefly due to Christian writers, probably because of pagan associations of vates. Non-religious sense is from 1848; used of Muhammad from 1610s (translating Arabic al-nabiy, and sometimes also al-rasul, prop. “the messenger”). The Latin word is glossed in O.E. by witga. Prophetess is recorded from c.1300.
The immediate sense of a Prophet then is to warn and if a person reads the Bible or Quran it is easy to see that the entire message of both are warnings of doing or not doing something with the underlying results.
The Bible says something so profound that it should be noted:
Deuteronomy 18:22
When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.From this we can see clearly that most of what a Prophet says would have to happen in a time frame that is small enough where it would be known if he were right or wrong while he is alive. The few Prophecies that are long range prophecies usually include the terms “in the end” or “end times” and these could simply be visions of future warnings not necessarily future events.
Now to say that Prophecy is understood after it's fulfilled is a valid statement in the sense after an event what caused the outcome becomes much clearer but someone who is a prophet or understands the prophecy often will understand it as it is happening and make provisions to benefit from it.
Such as Noah with the boat, Lot leaving with some family members nd other situations like that while Cain ignored the Profecy and became a murderer and Jonah didn't understand the prophecy and was bitter when he thought his prophecy failed when it didn't. Further God explains:
Isaiah 42:19
Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the LORD's servant?So the point is in doing the will of God that in itself is understanding
You have made some good points there in regards to the internal rules of the various religious games that are played.It doesn't really matter whether prophets are interpreting religious writing or making other kinds of predictions about the future, the value of the prophecy is in the precision and accuracy of the prediction and whether an event has come to pass in the manner predicted.
But I can't see how that fits with prophecy only being understood after it is fulfilled. If there is no understood principle behind a prophecy then it could easily amount to guessing, and if enough people are busy guessing wildly about what might happen, and they base it on a rough understanding of human nature, then all sorts of prophecies will appear credible to the gullible.
In regards to Noah, Lot and Cain, I'm not sure who you expect to believe those examples given that those characters are fictional.
I do get the points you are making, but I don't think it is any kind of reality you are discussing.
Stuart
Even if Characters were fictional it would not change the lesson or teaching in any practical way.You are correct the Value is in it's accuracy and even its clarity and I agree after anything has already been concluded many say “I knew that was going to happen” That's just hindsight. lf someone you hold as an authoritive figure explains something to you it might be readily believeable because of who is giving the information, rendering all prophecies accurate to the neophyte willing to accept as proof whatever the authoritive figure declares.
Now if you are declaring the will of God is XYZ and if you do not adhere to XYZ, ZYX will happen and it happens over and over again th principle becomes more like a Law(as in physics) In the Bible there is pretty much one single Prophecy which declares tha God created man to be a Vicegerant on earth if the Man
takes care to treat the goods he has been entrusted with all will go well with him and if not they won't.We all know that we have poverty because we don't accept the fact that others who are starving are related to us.
We all know that people are going to war and killing because we don't accept freedom for individuals and the few want to rule the many by all means necessary.
We all know that every single problem is based upon a general lack of Faith and those who support destroying Faith in others and that is not even a religious statement.
We kill, steal, rape, torture commit suicide and everything that doesn't leave us with joy because of the underlying principle of “nothing matters anyway” and as far as I know this is the crux of Atheism but most Atheists are right dab in the middle of religion.
Who can be more Atheistic than someone who teaches and preaches God and then proceed to act without Faith in their own lives nd then glazing it over with “God loves me so it's okay” God Matters!
Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2012,07:45) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ June 12 2012,03:53) Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2012,10:02) Hi WIT, Does this mean you did not read my post?
No. I read your post. Did you expect me to find it profound?
Hi WIT,You do agree it is a feasible explanation; correct?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Yes, as feasible as any of Nostradamus' prophecies.Quote (WhatIsTrue @ June 14 2012,12:55) Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2012,07:45) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ June 12 2012,03:53) Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2012,10:02) Hi WIT, Does this mean you did not read my post?
No. I read your post. Did you expect me to find it profound?
Hi WIT,You do agree it is a feasible explanation; correct?
God bless
Ed J
Yes, as feasible as any of Nostradamus' prophecies.
Hi WIT,Thank you for considering my explanation of God's prophecies being fulfilled!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 14 2012,07:21) Quote (Stu @ June 13 2012,18:50) Quote (Ed J @ June 13 2012,03:24) Quote (Stu @ June 12 2012,22:58) Who is the current antichrist as claimed by eschatology conspirators? Stuart
Hi Stuart,There is no 'the antichrist', it is the 'spirit of antichrist'.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.…”antichrist” could be an adjective or a noun.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
…sounds more like an adjective here.
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
…spirit of antichrist, as you say.
2 John 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
…definitely a noun.
Indeed there is no “the antichrists”, but “an antichrist” implies that there is more than one of them, and the writer of 1-2 John is talking about people.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Excellent post!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I think you might have missed the point that the mention of antichrist(s) in 1-2 John is not just talking about the spirit of that concept, but real people who possibly the writer of 1-2 John could have considered identifiable.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ June 14 2012,18:45) Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2012,07:21) Quote (Stu @ June 13 2012,18:50) Quote (Ed J @ June 13 2012,03:24) Quote (Stu @ June 12 2012,22:58) Who is the current antichrist as claimed by eschatology conspirators? Stuart
Hi Stuart,There is no 'the antichrist', it is the 'spirit of antichrist'.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.…”antichrist” could be an adjective or a noun.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
…sounds more like an adjective here.
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
…spirit of antichrist, as you say.
2 John 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
…definitely a noun.
Indeed there is no “the antichrists”, but “an antichrist” implies that there is more than one of them, and the writer of 1-2 John is talking about people.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Excellent post!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I think you might have missed the point that the mention of antichrist(s) in 1-2 John is not just talking about the spirit of that concept, but real people who possibly the writer of 1-2 John could have considered identifiable.Stuart
Yes Stuart,Antichrist means against Christ and there are many.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (bodhitharta @ June 14 2012,11:03) Now if you are declaring the will of God is XYZ and if you do not adhere to XYZ, ZYX will happen and it happens over and over again th principle becomes more like a Law(as in physics) In the Bible there is pretty much one single Prophecy which declares tha God created man to be a Vicegerant on earth if the Man takes care to treat the goods he has been entrusted with all will go well with him and if not they won't.
The problem with considering “the will of god” is that you have no idea whether the attribution of cause is right or not. We can't disprove gods, so indeed it is possible that everything is related to the consequences of following or not following the will of god, but the humans that claim such things cannot demonstrate the existence of gods, and as a group they cannot seem to agree what the will of god is, so it is impossible to come up with any reliable relationship between claims of XYZ and the consequences ZYX.Quote We all know that we have poverty because we don't accept the fact that others who are starving are related to us.
We also have poverty because the Catholic church considers suffering a virtue, and they promote it by consistently attempting to control women's reproductive rights, a sure means of perpetuating poverty. Another cause is islamic militant groups that blockade international aid and other attempts to alleviate poverty, all in the name of their mindless religion. There are many factors in poverty, of course.Quote We all know that every single problem is based upon a general lack of Faith and those who support destroying Faith in others and that is not even a religious statement.
The evidence is that many of our problems are caused because people have an unshakable religious faith in ideas they wish to force on others or at least refuse to allow to be compromised for the sake of the greater good.Check out the Global Peace Index.
This blogger has used the data to come up with this graph, which shows a slight correlation between the percentage of the population that is non-religious and the peace index: the less religious the country, the more peaceful it is. Is that a causal relationship? Maybe not, it could be that a third factor is causing both the lack of religious belief and the peacefulness.
Quote We kill, steal, rape, torture commit suicide and everything that doesn't leave us with joy because of the underlying principle of “nothing matters anyway” and as far as I know this is the crux of Atheism but most Atheists are right dab in the middle of religion.
The fact is that this is the most peaceful time to live as a human, at least in the past 10,000 years, and it coincides with lower and lower rates of religious adherence.Quote Who can be more Atheistic than someone who teaches and preaches God and then proceed to act without Faith in their own lives nd then glazing it over with “God loves me so it's okay” God Matters!
The traits you describe are of someone who is behaving hypocritically. Atheists are not hypocritical in relation to gods.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ June 13 2012,19:21) Quote (Wakeup @ June 13 2012,07:23) It's not even prophecy until someone claims that a particular event has fulfilled it. So much for the word prophecy, or the black art of making prophecies. Who is the current antichrist as claimed by eschatology conspirators?
Who was it 50 years ago?
100 years ago?
According to many, the end times prophecies have already been fulfilled long ago.
And yet here we still are…
Stuart
Stu.What about this one; Jesus said this gospel will be preached through out the earth for a witness: and that was said 2000yrs ago.(prophesy fulfilled).[/quote]
You can't reliably know what Jesus said. But that is not a sufficient reason to dismiss this prediction out of hand. The impressive part about it is that christianity is such an effective meme, an idea infection that is so contagious that it has lasted a couple of millennia. Humans do believe in nonsense, so it is not surprising that religions have lasted, but this one has been particularly pernicious. It’s not impressive that the gospel is still preached, because that is a central feature, and if christianity had not survived then no one would be commenting on how bad that old prophecy had been.But in the end this is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Constantine saved christianity and embedded it in the political history of the West.
Quote Many false prophets shall arise,and shall deceive many.(prophesy fulfilled.)
Fulfilled when? in 200CE? 100CE? What is a false prophet? One man’s false prophet is another man’s guru.Quote Because iniquity shall abound,the love of many shall wax cold. (prophesy fulfilled).
Just writing “prophecy fulfilled” at the end doesn’t give the platitude meaning.Quote Many shall come in my name,saying,I am christ: and shall deceive many.
(prophesy fulfilled).
Yawn.Quote For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time,nor ever shall be. (what if this one also will be fulfilled)?
You’re telling the myths. You tell me!Quote And then hall appear the sign of the son of man in heaven:and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn,and they shall see the son of man coming in the clouds of heaven,with power and great glory.
Is that it? FOUR nonsense platitudes constitute the reason we should take biblical prophecy seriously? Now we're down to prophecies that you don't think have been fulfilled yet. Maybe you can get back to us when you think they have been fulfilled.Quote ( what if these prophesies also will be fulfilled)? where will you stand? can science and technology save you from his wrath?
Whose wrath?Stuart
Stu.If your wife comes to you and says;darling I love you.
And you will say;dont worry, it is just your chemicals flaring up,thats all.If your little girl comes to you and say; dady I love you dady.
And you wil say; I know; because I have been looking after you and been feeding you and given you toys to play with.How empty and worthless must life be in your world.
wakeup.
Wake up,
I believe you have been exposed to moronic atheists, due to what you suggest to Stuart is at best is amateur questioning.
Do you have anything more insightful to discuss other then creating Stuart's profile for him?
Quote (princess @ June 15 2012,12:40) Wake up, I believe you have been exposed to moronic atheists, due to what you suggest to Stuart is at best is amateur questioning.
Do you have anything more insightful to discuss other then creating Stuart's profile for him?
Princess.What is your response to my amateur question? Since you are one of the professionals here?
wakeup.
Princess.
2 Cor.4:3. but if our gospel be hid; it is hid to them that are lost:
4. In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ,who is the image of God,should shine unto them.wakeup.
Quote (princess @ June 15 2012,12:40) moronic atheists
Value them when you find them, they're few and far between!Stuart
Quote (Wakeup @ June 15 2012,10:07) Quote (Stu @ June 13 2012,19:21) Quote (Wakeup @ June 13 2012,07:23) It's not even prophecy until someone claims that a particular event has fulfilled it. So much for the word prophecy, or the black art of making prophecies. Who is the current antichrist as claimed by eschatology conspirators?
Who was it 50 years ago?
100 years ago?
According to many, the end times prophecies have already been fulfilled long ago.
And yet here we still are…
Stuart
Stu.What about this one; Jesus said this gospel will be preached through out the earth for a witness: and that was said 2000yrs ago.(prophesy fulfilled).
You can't reliably know what Jesus said. But that is not a sufficient reason to dismiss this prediction out of hand. The impressive part about it is that christianity is such an effective meme, an idea infection that is so contagious that it has lasted a couple of millennia. Humans do believe in nonsense, so it is not surprising that religions have lasted, but this one has been particularly pernicious. It’s not impressive that the gospel is still preached, because that is a central feature, and if christianity had not survived then no one would be commenting on how bad that old prophecy had been.But in the end this is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Constantine saved christianity and embedded it in the political history of the West.
Quote Many false prophets shall arise,and shall deceive many.(prophesy fulfilled.)
Fulfilled when? in 200CE? 100CE? What is a false prophet? One man’s false prophet is another man’s guru.Quote Because iniquity shall abound,the love of many shall wax cold. (prophesy fulfilled).
Just writing “prophecy fulfilled” at the end doesn’t give the platitude meaning.Quote Many shall come in my name,saying,I am christ: and shall deceive many.
(prophesy fulfilled).
Yawn.Quote For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time,nor ever shall be. (what if this one also will be fulfilled)?
You’re telling the myths. You tell me!Quote And then hall appear the sign of the son of man in heaven:and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn,and they shall see the son of man coming in the clouds of heaven,with power and great glory.
Is that it? FOUR nonsense platitudes constitute the reason we should take biblical prophecy seriously? Now we're down to prophecies that you don't think have been fulfilled yet. Maybe you can get back to us when you think they have been fulfilled.Quote ( what if these prophesies also will be fulfilled)? where will you stand? can science and technology save you from his wrath?
Whose wrath?Stuart[/quote]
Stu.If your wife comes to you and says;darling I love you.
And you will say;dont worry, it is just your chemicals flaring up,thats all.If your little girl comes to you and say; dady I love you dady.
And you wil say; I know; because I have been looking after you and been feeding you and given you toys to play with.How empty and worthless must life be in your world.
wakeup.
This really says more about you than me, doesn't it. Firstly your post doesn't relate at all to the discussion above it, and secondly your need to speculate on the nature of my life doesn't bode well for the nature of yours.Stuart
Quote (princess @ June 15 2012,12:40) Wake up, I believe you have been exposed to moronic atheists, due to what you suggest to Stuart is at best is amateur questioning.
Do you have anything more insightful to discuss other then creating Stuart's profile for him?
Hi Princess,
It is not wakeup's fault.
His religion requires him to remain ignorant because his God loathes intelligence and wisdom. He must remain like a child.Look what he supposedly did to humanity simply because he did not want Adam and Eve to have the knowledge of good and evil.
Tim
Quote (TimothyVI @ June 15 2012,23:02) Quote (princess @ June 15 2012,12:40) Wake up, I believe you have been exposed to moronic atheists, due to what you suggest to Stuart is at best is amateur questioning.
Do you have anything more insightful to discuss other then creating Stuart's profile for him?
Hi Princess,
It is not wakeup's fault.
His religion requires him to remain ignorant because his God loathes intelligence and wisdom. He must remain like a child.Look what he supposedly did to humanity simply because he did not want Adam and Eve to have the knowledge of good and evil.
Tim
Wake up is male?My apologies Wake Up no offense intended, Tim's statement of 'his' threw me off a bit. I usually aviod first thought posting.
Quote (princess @ June 15 2012,23:50) Quote (TimothyVI @ June 15 2012,23:02) Quote (princess @ June 15 2012,12:40) Wake up, I believe you have been exposed to moronic atheists, due to what you suggest to Stuart is at best is amateur questioning.
Do you have anything more insightful to discuss other then creating Stuart's profile for him?
Hi Princess,
It is not wakeup's fault.
His religion requires him to remain ignorant because his God loathes intelligence and wisdom. He must remain like a child.Look what he supposedly did to humanity simply because he did not want Adam and Eve to have the knowledge of good and evil.
Tim
Wake up is male?
Gosh, I don't know.
From viewing the posting I assumed he/she was male.
Much like I assume you are a beautiful lady.I could be wrong, I often am when I assume.
Tim
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